Line #17 WMG/NightsIntoDreams


1	[[WMG: Creating 1st-Level Nightmarens takes...something away from Wizeman.]]
2	Either too much time to make the Nightmaren powerful yet small, or even something like stamina or vital force. That's why there's only two 1st-Level Nightmarens in the entire franchise: [=NiGHTS=] and Reala (maybe third if you think Jackle is also one).
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4	[[WMG: Wizeman the Wicked is a Visitor.]]
5	In the games, Visitors are able to create Nightopia through their personality, memories, hopes, goals, and interests. It makes sense the the realm of Nightmare is Wizeman's Nightopia, a la NightmareFuelStationAttendant. Wizeman created not only a Nightopia, but an entirely different plane in the entire Night Dimension. And he can't wake up.
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7	This is because he came without the Ideya of Courage, and has yet to find his own Ideya of Courage. After all, he sends all of his creations and dreamed-up people to get things for him, and you only need to hit him, what, three times in the game? Because of that, he has stayed locked in the Night Dimension for years and years, perhaps even defying the laws of physics and aging and being ReallySevenHundredYearsOld (I read somewhere that sleep slows the aging process by a significant amount, though that might be debatable). He's been stealing Ideya from other Visitors as compensation for his lack of a Red Courage Ideya, yet ironically, the Red Ideya is the only Ideya he cannot steal, nor keep.
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9	So he goes on, creating more and more Nightmarens and becoming the God of Nightmare. For years he has been trying to get a Red Ideya, but has failed so often -- so very, very often -- that over time he has completely forgotten what he had initially set out for. He loses himself, going crazy to try and get at his Red Ideya, that he leaves his waken life completely, even forgetting that he is a Visitor. This causes problems for his 'Real Life' body, which is still asleep. While the Wizeman of the Night Dimension goes on a reign of terror and malice, in a desperate attempt to finally get his blasted Ideya, the Wizeman of the Real World is still a child, doodling designs for Nightmaren and the faces of other Visitors, but only as a subconscious reflex. In fact, Wizeman has become convinced that getting a Red Ideya will wake him, forgetting that it is of his own free will that he awakens.
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11	Whatever little boy Wizeman may have once been has been lost, leaving behind a broken child in the Real World and a heartless overlord in the Night Dimension.
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13	* Wizeman being a Visitor was [[AllThereInTheManual confirmed]] in his backstory in the original.
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15	* I think he DID fall into the Black Sea. Dualization with a Nightmaren extends the time limit before Awaker-ghost-thingies, giant alarm clocks, and Night Over screens will force you to wake up. Falling into the Black Sea gives you an endless nightmare and a coma. Connect the dots.
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17	[[WMG: [=NiGHTS=] survived Wizeman's destruction/defeat/death/indeterminant-hibernation-dreamless-sleep, as did a couple other Nightmarens, due to having part of an Ideya.]]
18	* Interestingly, the red jewel on [=NiGHTS=]' chest is supposed to be part of a Red Ideya that attached there. Building upon the above WMG, that may be WIZEMAN'S Red Ideya.
19	* Also, [=NiGHTS=] helped at least 4 people find Ideya; judging by what [=NiGHTS=] is, perhaps Dualization temporarily shared those Ideya with him?
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21	[[WMG: Helen's mother went to Nightopia when she was younger.]]
22	At the end of ''VideoGame/NiGHTSJourneyOfDreams'', when [[spoiler:Helen plays [=NiGHTS=]'s song]], she nods and has a nostalgic smile on her face. When she was younger, she managed to get through the Dream Gate without losing her Ideya, and met [=NiGHTS=], who helped her overcome her fears the same way s/he helped the protagonists. That's precisely ''why'' she has such a look on her face: not only is she proud of her daughter, but she [[spoiler:''recognizes'' the song]] and has instantly figured out what happened.
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24	[[WMG:You dream endlessly when you die]]
25	Nightopia and Nightmare are heaven and hell respectively, though not quite as we know them. Nightopians are the spirits of the innocent (most likely, children, whence they act like children forever. Adults appear as sapient animals, including Owl, or other beings/less familiar-looking nightopians); animal guides, like Owl, are more like angels in the truer sense, they protect and guide the Nightopians and visitors, preparing visitors for their afterlife so that they do not become nightmaren. Cherubic nightopians are so much more common becuase many people don't make it to adulthood, and they include those that are waiting to be born or ''were waiting'' to be born before pregnancy complications.
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27	2nd and 3rd level Nightmarens were humans that lost their souls, and consume Nightopia, Nightopians, and hunt ideya mindlessly because they're desperate to be whole. They might have not even been bad people originally, so much as completely devoid of ideya; the parts that make up their soul. While 2nd and 3rd levels would have lived a broken afterlife without Wizeman anyway, 1st levels have complete souls, and would have been destined for Nightopia without Wizeman's intervention.
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29	Reala's will got broken and he lost faith in goodness, [=NiGHTS=] didn't, perhaps because he got a lucky escape, or perhaps because he has the stronger will.
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31	[[WMG: ''Journey of Dreams'' is actually not a "sequel" of ''Into Dreams...'', but a parallel universe.]]
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33	Basically, due to the major differences of the lore in the original game and the sequel.
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35	The things the two games share is:
36	* There is the Night Dimension, with the worlds of Nightopia and Nightmare. Nightopians live in Nightopia and the world is bond to five Ideyas (red being the rarest). Nightmare is ruled by Wizeman and populated by Nightmares.
37	* [=NiGHTS=] chooses to rebel against Wizeman instead of serving him.
38	* Eventually, two kids who possess the red Ideya of Courage wind up in Nightopia and help turn the tides on [=NiGHTS=]' favor, ending Wizeman's reign of terror.
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40	The differences that could lead towards them being different universes are these:
41	* [=NiGHTS=]' slightly different portrayal. If we take the supplementary material (mostly, the Storybook), ''into Dreams'' [=NiGHTS=] could be more rude (maybe also with less altruistic reasons to rebel), and prideful of being a Nightmaren. In ''Journey of Dreams'', [=NiGHTS=] is dismayed over having their species revealed.
42	** And also, [=NiGHTS=] in ''Journey of Dreams'' managed to avoid being punishment up until the events of the game, where in ''into Dreams'' they could not.
43	* Claris and Elliot are very similar to Helen and Will (respectively, a girl with a musical aspiration and a boy with a sports aspiration), but some specifics are different, such as backstory, nationality (Claris and Elliot are possibly American, while Helen and Will are more explictly British), age, and possibly personality.
44	* Owl, plus his importance to Nightopia, exists only in ''Journey of Dreams''. According to the ''into Dreams'' material, a Nightopian was responsible for setting the journey of Claris and Elliot.
45	** The Personas are also only part of ''Journey of Dreams''.
46	* The Egg Alarm from ''into Dreams'' and the Awakers from ''Journey of Dreams'' serve the same function (waking up a Visitor that touches them).
47	* The differing 2nd Level Nightmaren's, plus that, if we take the Archie comic's adaptation of ''into Dreams'', Nightmarens might be able to live on even if Wizeman's dead, while it's the opposite case in ''Journey of Dreams''.
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49	[[WMG:Hypothetical movie cast]]
50	Sonic has a movie series, so why not [=NiGHTS=]?
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52	!![=NiGHTS=]
53	* A Creator/CirqueDuSoleil performer (even if only as their motion capture model)
54	* Creator/JulissaAguirre doing a RoleReprise
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56	!!Reala
57	* Creator/MarkHamill
58	* Creator/RonPerlman
59	* Creator/BenedictCumberbatch
60	* Creator/TomHiddleston
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62	!!Wizeman
63	* Creator/BenedictCumberbatch
64	* Creator/IdrisElba
65	* Creator/IanMcKellen
66	* Creator/IanMcDiarmid
67	* Creator/ClancyBrown
68	* Creator/ChrisPine
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70	!!Jackle
71	* Creator/MarkHamill
72	* Creator/AlanTudyk
73	* Creator/LiamOBrien
74	* Creator/RogerBart
75	* Creator/JackBlack
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77	!!Puffy
78	* Creator/ReneeFleming
79	* Creator/NatasiaDemetriou
80	* Creator/AudraMcdonald
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82	!!Owl
83	* Creator/ChristopherLloyd
84	* Creator/JamieFoxx
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86	!!Selph
87	* Same actor as [=NiGHTS=]?
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89	[[WMG:If a movie was ever made, Selph would appear in TheStinger for a SequelHook]]

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