Line #162 WMG/KingsmanTheGoldenCircle


1	[[WMG: Possible Statesman agent names.]]
2	* [[PunnyName Marge Arita]]: a female agent. Arita is a Japanese surname, so I'd fancast this hypothetical agent as being played by Karen Fukuhara (who played a Katana in ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'').
3	** There is an Asian female Statesman agent, but she's never given a name on screen.
4	*** Perhaps Sake?
5	*** Marge Arita aka Agent Sake? They did that with Whiskey (real name Jack Daniels).
6	* Desi Daru: an Indian-American agent. He could also be called Desi Sharaab. He might either be a BollywoodNerd CaptainErsatz of Q or a total aversion of that, being a muscular man who solves everything with his fists.
7	* The Lager Quadruplets: a group of fraternal quadruplets who work as a team unit. The four members have the individual codenames Pal, Goldie, Amber, and Darko; each derived from the four different kinds of Lager beers.
8	* Franzia (a brand of wine)
9	* Applejack as former or deceased member (the secret of making true applejack was lost with Prohibition).
10	* Martini
11	** If a female agent, name her [[Franchise/JamesBond Vesper]]. For full irony points, have her be a teetotaler, making her a ''Dry Martini.''
12	* Captain Morgan: A male agent, well versed with bladed weapons. Probably has a CoolBoat.
13	* Merlot
14	* The Moscow Mule. TheBigGuy and a BoisterousBruiser. Possibly a Russian immigrant or descended from them (although the drink has no relation to Russia at all).
15	** Alternate idea: a redhead named Buck. Because one of the ingredients is ''ginger'' beer, and another name for the Moscow mule is the vodka buck.
16	* Sam Adams
17	* Boilermaker. If an Irish American, they'd alternately be Irish Carbomb. Expect full LampshadeHanging from the Kingsmen agents both over the [[SeparatedByACommonLanguage inaccuracy]] and [[UsefulNotes/TheTroubles tastelessness]] of the nickname.
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19	[[WMG: The movie will be a TakeThat to DarkerAndEdgier spy movies such as Craig-era James Bond and Jason Bourne]]
20	The first film has a very meta conversation between Harry and Valentine about how they prefer campy, lighthearted spy movies over darker, more serious movies. The second movie will turn this up by having the Statesmen being parodies of darker, grittier spy characters.
21	* Or as an alternative, the Statesmen are [[Film/TripleX adrenaline junkies who are all about insane stunts]] with an [[Film/MissionImpossible over-reliance on technology]] rather than genuine skill.
22	** {{Jossed}}:[[spoiler: The Statesmen overall have very similar attitudes about their line of work to their British counterparts, other than having a bit of a Western theme.]]
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24	[[WMG: Creator/ClarkGregg will appear as a Statesman.]]
25	Given that his most famous role is the most popular/famous spy in modern Superhero comics/cinema, Gregg will appear; either as a Coulson expy, or a sort of Second-in-command to Halle Berry's DaChief, paralleling Mark Strong's Merlin.
26	* I'm going to have to Jossed over Halle Berry as DaChief. She's the tech support like Merlin.
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28	[[WMG: There would be some ShipTease between Merlin and Ginger]]
29	Considering Website/TheOtherWiki describes her as his love interest, the "teasing" is probably out the window.
30	[[spoiler: Confirmed... and then Merlin dies when he, Eggsy and Harry storm Poppy's island base and Ginger becomes a Statesman agent]]
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32	[[WMG: [[spoiler:Harry was [[WeCanRebuildHim rebuilt]] by Poppy]]]]
33	Trailers already show [[spoiler:Charlie]] is back with an [[ArtificialLimbs prosthetic arm]], maybe similar technology was used on him. It could be a part of a theme on letting go of the past as stopping her also means [[spoiler: Harry]] would be gone for good.
34	* In the second trailer, it looks like he's on Eggsy' side. Unless Poppy intentionally put him there to spy on them.
35	** [[spoiler: Jossed. Harry was treated at the scene of his death by Ginger and Jack Daniels. Ginger's nanite technology repair his brain, but he was left with partial amnesia and his mind is back to an occupation he had as a butterfly researcher prior to joining the army. He regains his memory by the end though.]]
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37	[[WMG:Roxy will not live long into the film.]]
38	The first trailer only as a single shot of her in her Kingsman attire, so she may go down very quickly in the Kingsman HQ bombing.
39	* Alternatively, she could be FakingTheDead when it happens, and come back in the third act.
40	* I'm going with undercover myself.
41	[[spoiler: Confirmed. Roxy is killed in the missile strike on Kingsman HQ. Unless they decide to resurrect her in a sequel, much like they did with Harry.]]
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43	[[WMG: Jack Daniels/Whiskey will have some OohMeAccentsSlipping moments.]]
44	[[InvokedTrope Intentional]], of course, to illustrate some of the film's thoughts on American culture and its spy movies.
45	[[spoiler: {{Jossed}}, somewhat. Actor Pedro Pascal's Southern accent does slip very occasionally, but it appears to be unintentional.]]
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47	[[WMG: Kingsman still has other branches in other countries]]
48	* Churchmen, in Rome or the Catholic world in general. They either wear ''even more stylish'' suits (and designer glasses in all probability) or else they dress as priests (the Pope does have an official tailor, for the record; see Gammarelli).
49	** Churchmen's agents would be named after religious figures from the Bible. The head of the organization would have the code-name "Christ".
50	** More specifically, they'd probably be named after Saints.
51	* Salarymen in Japan, in their crisp white company-man button-downs-and-ties.
52	** Salarymen's agents would be named after various samurai or ninjas from Japanese history.
53	** Their equipment is [[ShoePhone weaponized office supplies.]]
54	** A potential villain to oppose the Japanese branch could be a female Salarymen agent that tries to flirt with a male Salarymen agent, and she goes complete Yandere when she is rejected.
55	* Familymen in the Native-American community in general.
56	** Familymen's agents will have code-names referencing spirit animals.
57	* Chairmen in China (is [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong that in bad taste]]?)
58	** Maybe Chinaman (or is that an even worse name choice)? They would have Chinese paper fans, with a [[EverybodyWasKungFuFighting funky HQ located in Chinatown]], er... China. Commonly used Chinese codenames being EasternZodiac.
59	* Dandymen in South Africa; Swenkas in eye-searing brightly colored suits (at least I didn't say Tribesmen).
60	** South Africa has two branches, [[Music/ThatWasTheYearThatWas one for the black and one for the white]].
61	** Dandymen's agents would be named after characters from various African Mythologies.
62	* Rangermen in Australia
63	** Or "Bushmen"
64	** Agents of Rangermen/Bushmen would be named after animals that are common in Australia.
65	* Clansmen in either Ireland or Scotland, in full tartan.
66	** Personally, I'd go with "Scotsman" in Scotland (just to avoid any potential confusion with the "clansman with a K" types), with the HQ deep under Edinburgh Castle.
67	** Scottsman's agents would be named after icons from Scottish history.
68	* Wiseman in Israel, dressing as synagogue workers.
69	** The agents for Wisemen would be named after figures in the Torah, or characters from Jewish Folklore.
70	* Workmen in Russia. After all, no kings, no church, no decadent aristocracy... only workers in a worker state.
71	* The incas in Peru: They would look more like peasants from the Peruvian mountains and would have as code names members of the Inca royalty.
72	** Their agents would be named after ANYTHING that originated or is popular in Russia.
73	* Presumably there are other branches that simply use the name "Kingsman", likely in Europe. In fact, I'd posit that France had both a Kingsman and a Churchman who were frequently in competition, the heads of each being respectively called Treville and Richelieu.
74	* Showmen in India, with the agency having the cover of a Bollywood movie studio. The members have Hindi language ColorfulThemeNaming that correspond with the color that they primarily wear and are led by Mr. Neela, played by Shah Rukh Khan.
75	* Woodsmen in Canada. They wield explosive maple syrup, laser bladed skiing equipment, titanium hockey sticks, "smoke bombs" that explode into red maple leaves, and robotic lumberjack axes that safely return to them after they throw them (like Captain America's shield). They dress in outfits that vary wildly in design (referencing Canada's diversity) but always include a bit of flannel as a reference to their founder. Said founder was a '''female''' lumberjack named [[PunnyName Paula Boyle]] who was codenamed Babe (Yes, I know Paul Bunyan is an American character, but it fits the lumberjack idea).
76	** Woodsmen's agents would be named after Hockey Players.
77	* Bulletmen in South Korea.
78	** Their agents would have codenames inspired by historical heroic Koreans.
79	* Grimmsmen in Germany.
80	** Those agents might be named after German Composers.
81	** Their front group would be an association of [[BadassBookworm writers and poets]], and their codenames would be literary characters. Their leader would be Erlkoenig.
82	* Revolutionmen in France.
83	** Their agents would be named after heroes from French History.
84	* Folkmen in Ireland.
85	** Their agents would be named after Irish Polytheistic gods.
86	* Bullmen in Spain.
87	** Their code-names would be made referring to swords and sword-fighting, swords being used in the stereotypically Spanish bullfighting, and the Spanish city of Toledo being famous for it's blades.
88	* Warriormen in Mexico.
89	** Their agents would have codenames based on wrestlers, especially lucha-libre wrestlers.
90	** They would use a few gadgets based on sports equipment, but focus more on wrestling moves.
91	* Soldiermen in Norway.
92	** Soldiermen's agents would be named after iconic vikings.
93	* Travelmen in Sweden.
94	** Travelmen's agents would be named after various character from Norse Mythology.
95	* Bisomen in the Philippines.
96	** Bisomen's agents will have code-names based on basketball players.
97	* Playermen in Brazil.
98	** Playermen's agents would have code-names based on soccer players.
99	* Artsmen in Italy.
100	** Artsmen's agents would be named after historical Italian painters.
101	* Resistancemen in North Korea.
102	** Ironically, their agents would be named after anything NOT from Korea.
103	* Freedommen in Cuba.
104	** Their agents will be named after various Latin mythological monsters.
105	* Sultanmen in Turkey.
106	** Their code-names would be based on historical Sultans and historical Turkish presidents.
107	* It's already somewhat confirmed in the first film, they stated that the candidate who 'died' in the first test was a researcher in their German branch, didn't they?
108	* Tejomen in Columbia.
109	** Their agents would have code-names named after different guns (Tejo is a throwing sport that involves gunpowder).
110	* Hillsmen as a sub-division of NATO.
111	** Their cover would be an international movie studio.
112	** They would have code-names after movie characters from movies that are NOT adaptations.
113	* Sunmen in Rwanda.
114	** Their agents would have code-names based on names of cultural objects iconic to Rwandan culture.
115	* Unitymen as a sub-division of the UN.
116	** Their cover would be an international video game company.
117	** They would have code-names based on video game weapons.
118	* Cookingmen in Ukraine.
119	** Their codenames would be based on popular Ukrainian food.
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121	[[WMG: [[spoiler: Harry is going to be the next Arthur]]]]
122	[[spoiler:The current Arthur (if they even have one, but the money is on Creator/MichaelGambon's role) is ''probably'' going to die in Poppy's attack on Kingsman HQ, and it's not like Harry can go back to being Galahad what with Eggsy having that title and all. If anything, the fanfic writers were right about Harry still being alive, and making him the new Arthur is usually what they do next, so why not make them right again?]]
123	* Hasn't been answered one way or another. Guess we gotta wait for a possible threequel for that. Oh, and by the way, yes, Michael Gambon was Arthur.
124	** And there was one thing we didn't consider. [[spoiler: Eggsy ''may'' have to resign as Galahad. Kinda hard to be a spy ''and'' a public figure.]]
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126	[[WMG: A Stinger scene will feature the new Arthur enjoying a drink with characters played by [[Film/{{Spectre}} Ralph Fiennes]] and [[Film/{{TheManFromUNCLE}} Hugh Grant]]]]
127	* [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}: There's no post-credits stinger.]]
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129	[[WMG:Whiskey's character will be a SacrificialLion.]]
130	He could die during the second act by [[spoiler:Charlie]] due to his [[FatalFlaw theatricality in weapons usage]], and this scene would be reminiscent of the original Lancelot's death in the first film: easily taking down sheer numbers of mooks at first, and then anti-climatically assassinated. There is even a promo where we see, from the glasses of a Statesman, alive and deceased agents holding a toast. The Kingsman team are there, but Whiskey is nowhere to be seen, possibly implying that they are honouring his death.
131	* [[spoiler: Jesus Christ that is so Jossed. I don't think anyone saw his plot twist coming.]]
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133	[[WMG:Poppy could survive the film.]]
134	* [[spoiler: Jossed. Poppy is injected with a dose of her own drugs by Eggsy and overdoses after giving him the code to distribute the antidote]]
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136	[[WMG:The Golden Circle will be this film series's Franchise/JamesBond equivalent to SPECTRE, where they have recurring appearances in future installments.]]
137	Because they can't just have one 142-minute film to flesh out this NWO-style orginization.
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140	[[WMG:[[spoiler:Harry could suffer TheWorfEffect during the pub fight against the Americans, only for Whiskey to pull a CurbStompBattle on them.]]]]
141	Here's how it can go down: [[spoiler:Harry]] visits the bar, and some of the people question his presence, leading to a fight. However, since Harry [[spoiler:doesn't have his left eye]], he gets easily beaten up, even when he tries to use his umbrella against them, as seen in a Twitter punching supercut promo. Then, Whiskey arrives and demolishes all of them with his whip, all while quoting "Manners... maketh... man.".
142	* Pretty much exactly how it happened.
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144	[[WMG:The Swedish princess will break up with Eggsy at the film's end.]]
145	Due to him cheating on her with Clara von Gluckfberg, played by Poppy Delevingne.
146	[[spoiler: Slightly Jossed. Although she breaks up with him over sleeping with a target, Eggsy marries her at the end of the film]]
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148	[[WMG: One of the Statesman will be in league with Poppy.]]
149	Not the entire organization, but in staying true to the genre's fashion there will be at least one traitor to the cause.
150	* [[spoiler:....ish? He's not working ''for'' Poppy, per se, but he does more or less side with the president that the junkies should die.]]
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152	[[WMG: [[spoiler: Harry is the True Big Bad Of the film.]]]]
153	* Jossed.
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155	[[WMG: Whiskey pulls a FaceHeelTurn]]
156	* [[spoiler: Confirmed]]
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158	[[WMG: If they make a threequel, Tilde will be put in danger again and this time she'll be pregnant.]]
159	It just seems like a low key SerialEscalation here. First movie, she's a random person. This time, Eggsy's girlfriend. [[spoiler:Next one, mother of his child.]]
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161	[[WMG: Churchill was the first Arthur.]]
162	* I know this is probably just a coincidence, but there was a trailer for ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pNOCzV5jG0 Darkest Hour]]'' before this troper's screening, somewhat of a Winston Churchill origin film/war movie. [[spoiler: Winston Churchill's "The End of the Beginning" speech is also quoted in the denouement.]]
163	** I think it's implied that the Churchill family bankrolled the Statesmen's espionage sideline.
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165	[[WMG: Eggsy may have to resign as Galahad.]]
166	[[spoiler: He just married Tilde, who by all appearances is the heir to the Swedish throne. Kinda hard to be a spy ''and'' a public figure. He may be taking up the Merlin mantle now (somewhat safer) and the fighting focus of any future movie may be on Tequila now.]]
167	* Unless Eggsy dons a newly-made Kingsman synthetic mask from now on during spy missions.
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169	[[WMG: The President of the United States is the same President as in ''National Treasure: Book of Secrets'']]
170	Creator/BruceGreenwood played unnamed presidents in both films. While the president in ''NationalTreasure'' was shown to be a decent man, the president in Golden Circle is shown to be able to play the part of a decent man well enough in public when he thinks it works to his advantage. The timeline between films would make this unlikely but it's possible he was serving his first term in Book of Secrets, lost his reelection campaign, and later won the special election that was presumably held after Valentine killed all of Not-Obama's cabinet in Kingsman: The Secret Service, and that unspecified events in the interim are part of why he became far more extreme in his political views.
171	* Possibly jossed. They're played by the same actor, but the President in ''Kingman'' has a noticeably strong Southern accent, something his ''National Treasure'' counterpart lacks.
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173	[[WMG: The next movie will focus on the Swedish branch of Kingsman.]]
174	Eggsy finds out about them when he becomes [[spoiler: the prince consort of Sweden]], shit goes down and they have to help each other save the country/world.
175	* Alternate idea: [[spoiler:he ''founds'' the Swedish branch of Kingsman.]]
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177	[[WMG: The DVD/Blu-Ray release will advertise an alternate ending.]]
178	[[spoiler:Specifically the one where Merlin lives.]]
179	* [[spoiler:Alternatively, it may have the original scenes of the President pre-reshoots.]]
180	** [[spoiler:Both of the above are Jossed by DVD/Blu-Ray release.]]
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182	[[WMG: The next film will have the Statesmen under official investigation]]
183	Someone launched a cruise missile to destroy a Saville Row tailor's shop, with such pinpoint precision that the liquor store next door wasn't damaged. People are going to wonder why.
184	* I'm just gonna point out that Kingsman is ''exposed''. Ain't no way authorities didn't go through the wreckage and find the secret passageway, or sifted through HQ wreckage and not find the spy equipment.
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186	[[WMG: Eggsy's stepfather will join a criminal organization in the third film.]]
187	[[spoiler:He'll be partially motivated by the fact his stepson became a Prince.]]
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189	[[WMG: Statesman has been a spy organisation longer than Kingsman, having been established during the American Civil War rather than World War One.]]
190	My idea for this comes mostly from the constant references to unions that the Statesman have, with their motto "United we stand" and their toast to the union. It would also make thematic sense as well, the USA didn't suffer nearly the number of casualties as Britain in the First World War but a bunch of Southern businessmen could have definitely lost sons to the Civil War. It would also work with the Old West motif, with the Civil War being firmly in that period.
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192	The only problem I can think of is the fact that Statesman's founders did have Kingsman tailors, but I have always assumed Kingsman existed as a tailors before a spy organisation, and if the founders were relatively young when they started Statesman, say in their forties, then they could have still been alive when Kingsman was founded.
193	** That's no mere assumption. Harry did say back in the first movie they were tailors first.
194	** Statesman was probably the reason the Confederacy never succeeded in annexing Kentucky.
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196	[[WMG: Eventually, an American celebrity will show up, and they will be revealed to be a deep cover Statesman agent.]]
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198	[[WMG: Elton John is a deep ''deep'' cover Kingsman.]]
199	No one would ever guess! Plus... all of those action scenes? It totally makes sense!!
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201	[[WMG:CovertGroupWithMundaneFront.]]
202	The Kingsmen supports their "modern KnightInShiningArmor" "independent intelligence agency" by selling $5000 Saville Row suits from their chain of tailor shops. That's damn fine money, especially since they've been in business since ''1849''. Losing their heirs to UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne left them and their clients with a considerable nest egg, more than enough to maintain a big headquarters and a dozen modern "knights".
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204	Their US counterpart, the Statesmen, support their team of NewOldWest cowboy agents by selling whiskey. It's apparently ''really good'' whiskey, but the most expensive whiskey bottled in the US costs about $80 -- and the economics of selling ''hundreds of thousands of bottles every year'' mean they're a ''nationwide'' label, with a ''skyscraper office building in New York'' as well as their headquarters under their Kentucky distillery, which is ''much'' nicer than Kingsman's.
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206	In the third movie, a third IIA will be revealed; the source of the AugmentedReality technology both agencies use. They support their efforts through... IT consulting. And given how they provide a couple dozen bucks of service '''hundreds of thousands of times ''daily''''', they're '''global''', with '''one thousand agents.''' Say hello to [[ComicBook/GlobalFrequency Aleph and Miranda Zero]] for us, Eggsy.
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208	[[WMG: Elton John's part was originally intended for Music/IggyAzalea.]]
209	The mention of her disappearance in the first film would've been the perfect set-up for a BrickJoke.
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211	[[WMG: The third movie will feature a villain trying to restore [[spoiler:Poppy's drug cartel]].]]
212	EvilPowerVacuum.
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214	[[WMG: Characters from the first movie who didn't appear on this one will have important roles in the first one.]]
215	[[spoiler:Under the excuse of wanting to be a part of his daughter's life, Eggsy's stepfather will try to reapproach his now Royal stepson. Eggsy will grow suspicious about how he can afford going to Sweden and it'll turn out the third movie's antagonist hired Dean.]]
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217	[[WMG: Whiskey's revolvers are custom Statesman weapons averting BottomlessMagazines]]
218	The main page notes that Whiskey has BottomlessMagazines in the mountain hut gunfight. According to the Internet Movie Firearms Database his pistols are Colt Single Action Army revolvers with fake extra barrels underneath the real ones. Whiskey fires about 24 times so these must be Statesman designed custom weapons that hold 12 rounds each, double the usual amount for the real world weapons. So fantasy firearms but not actually bottomless.
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220	[[WMG: A future sequel will have the main villains being an evil organization that was an enemy of Eggsy's biological father.]]
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222	[[WMG: A future sequel will have the main villains be an evil organization that was an enemy of Statesmen.]]
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224	[[WMG: The thug who started the bar brawl is a Statesman agent]]

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