Line #113 WMG/HarryPotterFilms


1	Well, it's here at last. This is where you come to put up your Harry Potter MOVIE [=WMGs=]. To clarify: [=WMGs=] about the actors in the movies, the directors, the screenwriters, all go here.
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5	[[WMG: Dementors are dead Obscurials]]
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7	I believe there is an undeniable connection between Obscurials and Dementors.
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9	Firstly, recall what is said about an Obscurus in [[Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem FB1]]. The repressed magic of a young wizard is turned into a cancer, eating the life energy from the inside. How does it do that? By removing the soul, and taking its place.
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11	Now imagine the dark force successfully possesses the wizard entirely, killing them. How would the body look like?
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13	I think the body becomes a hollow shell, decaying slightly faster than a normal deceased wizard. While, the Obscurus with all its strength, retains the memory of their victim, taking a human shape.
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15	This shape..is a Dementor. Hence why they take all the happiness from people. They are replacing what was taken from them while they were living. And they are lacking a soul, which is why they depend on getting one.
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17	* This is why the Dementor on the train in [[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban PoA]] took so long to harvest Harry's soul. He has 1+ 1/8th soul. If he had two(somehow), the dementor would just take the one, and leave the second for a different dementor. When it's a fraction, it becomes difficult.
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19	[[WMG: In the movies harry potter never lost his parseltongue and his son inherited it .]]
20	That's why on the epiloge his son is so worried about being put in slytherin. Oh, no dark magic
21	here, just genetics that were already their, just blamed on voldamort.
22	* Or maybe he gained it for being a Horocrux for so long but the important pieces of voldamort are still gone.
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24	[[WMG: [[Series/JerseyShore Snooki]] is a death eater.]]
25	Who else could teach them to do the poof [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818143543/harrypotter/images/d/d6/Yaxleymmeeet-1.jpg hairstyle]]?
26	* It all makes sense now!
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28	[[WMG: The timeline discrepancy between the movies and the books is intentional.]]
29	Why? JKR is unhappy with some of the things she wrote and views the movies as a way to (partially) fix them.
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31	Example: She realizes now that there was no rhyme or reason for Harry's parents and their classmates to have been so young ([[WordOfGod according to her website]], they were all born in 1960, [[spoiler: which means every single one of them was younger than 40 when they died]]), so she's deliberately aged them. Snape looks like he's in his fifties because [[strike: Creator/AlanRickman was 54 when Sorcerer's/Philosopher's stone was filmed]] he's in his 40s but is aging quickly because he's stressed out, especially in movies 5 and 6.
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33	She's also not 100% happy with the books being set in the [[TheNineties 1990s]], so she specifically asked for the Millennium Bridge to be destroyed to make the movies more timeless.
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35	* There's nothing really wrong with the books set in a specific time period. In fact, since the entire plot takes place in the magical side of the world, we never see anything that dates the story in the books (i.e. no 90's slang). The only reference this troper can think of is that Dudley has a playstation (which going by the offical timeline, he got a year before it was released) and even that hardly makes an impact.
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37	* Oh yes we do. There's a cake at Nearly Headless Nick's 500th anniversary which lists the date of his death as 1492
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39	[[WMG: Severus Snape is the {{reincarnation}} of Judge Turpin from ''Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet''.]]
40	Judge Turpin needed to work off some bad karma, and so had to be miserable in his second life. They both die in similar ways. They also are both played by the same actor.
41	* He was very surprised when he encountered [[Creator/HelenaBonhamCarter Mrs. Lovett]] among the Death Eaters.
42	** And also the Beadle.
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44	[[WMG: The seventh and eighth movies will drop the Lupin/Tonks love story.]]
45	And the fans will rejoice -- or at least the ones who regarded that arc as bad will.
46	* Nope. Although it's brief, they do seem to be engaged/married/expecting.
47	** And Lupin [[spoiler: as a Resurrection Stone ghost]] is glad to know that his son will be told what happened.
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50	[[WMG: The Wizards got their knowledge from the Time Lords]]
51	How else can they make things "bigger on the inside"?
52	* AWizardDidIt. Literally.
53	* Maybe the Time Lords use magic and science. In fact as we see in the movies Dumbeldore managed a Time Lord-esque regeneration between Goblet of Fire and Prisoner of Azkaban.
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55	[[WMG: Cedric Diggory is [[Literature/{{Twilight}} Edward Cullen]]]]
56	Cedric died at 17. Edward died at 17. Coincidence? NAY!
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58	He was bitten by a twipire before the 3rd task but was using a potion to slow the effects of the venom, similar to the werewolf potions used by Lupin. When he was killed by Wormtail, the potion stopped working and he became a vampire.
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60	He was "adopted" by the Cullens, who changed his memories to control him and changed his name to Edward.
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62	[[WMG: Gellert Grindelwald is Colonel Vogel from ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade'']]
63	Okay, stay with this one, it could make a lot of sense.
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65	In the films, Michael Byrne plays both older Grindelwald in "The Deathly Hallows" and Vogel in "Last Crusade." This is because they are the same person.
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67	In the late 1930's, Grindelwald became heavily involved in the Nazi movement, though it is unclear whether he put Hitler or any other high ranking figures under the Imperius Charm. The idea of a Master Race appealed to Grindelwald because Muggles would be easier to control once they were controlling each other. Besides, he liked the violence and mayhem. During his stint in the S.S., Grindelwald, now called Vogel, learned of a possible fourth Hallow: the Holy Grail.
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69	You see, according to myth, Jesus was the fourth Peverell brother and a wizard capable of performing "miracles". His Hallow, the cup, is rumored to grant eternal life, independent of the other three Hallows (though, as explained in the movie, limited to the temple in which it's housed). Grindelwald/Vogel becomes intent on finding the Grail, and thus helps Walter Donovan. He also develops a deep dislike for a man named Dr. Henry Jones Jr, a mere Muggle who keeps outwitting him and slipping through his fingers. Grindelwald would take him out in an instant, but refrains from magic both to maintain his cover and to prove he can beat Muggles on their own turf.
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71	After his final bout with Jones aboard the tank, Vogel falls seemingly to his death, but uses both Cushioning and Shielding Charms to save himself before Disapparating. Learning of the confirmed existence of the Grail, but also its limitations (as well as possible destruction, or at least, becoming "lost" forever), Grindelwald gives up his quest. With Vogel "dead", Grindelwald lays low in Germany for a while, but, foreseeing their eventual downfall, abandons his Nazi ties. Bored with the Muggle world, Grindelwald begins to wreak havoc on wizarding Germany with his Elder Wand, and goes unchecked for several years until Albus Dumbledore shows up to challenge him in 1945. Unable to destroy his old childhood friend, feeling guilt over Ariana and perhaps finally seeing the error of his ways, Grindelwald surrenders, and is imprisoned at Nurmengard.
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73	[[WMG: Luna Lovegood has [[Manga/DeathNote Shinigami eyes]] or something similar]]
74	In the movie, she finds Harry despite the fact that he's under an invisibility cloak that even DEATH HIMSELF can't see under. Her reasoning, if I recall correctly, is because of the wrackspurts buzzing around his head. In Death Note, the name and lifespan of a person appears over their head to someone with the eyes. Since you can't get the eyes without using a Death Note, she likely has one. And the person she's killed is... her Mother. It was an accident. She wrote her mother's name in the Note because either a) she didn't know the power of the Note, b) she was angry and not thinking straight, or c) her mother told her to(Mrs. Lovegood was testing the Death Note to see if it worked and could be used in the event that Voldemort returned or another Dark Lord arose. She was a nice person who wouldn't use anyone but herself as a test subject, so she asked Luna to write her name in it, not telling her daughter what it could do). Luna later made the eye deal. This is also how she recognized Harry at the wedding. Alternatively, her Spectraspecs somehow give the wearer the eyes, but they have become worn out and now only show a fuzzy blur (which Luna mistakes for a swarm of tiny magical creatures).
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76	[[WMG: Crabbe and Goyle are not entirely human.]]
77	When Harry and Ron masquerade as Crabbe and Goyle in the second film, they retain their original voices; however, when Barty Crouch Jr. uses Polyjuice Potion to portray Mad-Eye Moody he has Mad-Eye's voice, and during the seven Harry Potters scene in the seventh film, everyone who took the potion gets Harry's voice. The only time in the films when the Polyjuice Potion fails to somehow transform the vocal cords is when Hermione accidentally puts cat hair into hers. It stands to reason that like Millicent Bullstrode's cat, Crabbe and Goyle are not human.
78	* Actually, no--at least not based on this evidence. The seven Harrys and Harry, Ron and Hermione in the Ministry of Magic scene all keep their own voices. Besides, Barty Crouch Jr. also mimicked Hagrid's voice perfectly without being under Polyjuice Potion. It's far more likely that Barty is just a skilled impressionist who learned Mad-Eye's voice so he wouldn't be found out. (Of course, this is different from the books, where ''everyone'' takes on the other person's voice under Polyjuice.)
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80	[[WMG: In the movie continuity, ''Neville'' is the master of the Elder Wand.]]
81	Warning: spoilers for ''Deathly Hallows, Part 2''. [[spoiler: Firstly, this falls under the simple assumption that the Elder Wand doesn't work any differently than any other wand in regard to allegiance, because nothing of the sort is stated in the films to the best of my memory. Now, we've seen a number of disarmings in the movie continuity, with no mention or indication of wand allegiance. However, Ollivander does mention towards the beginning of ''Deathly Hallows, Part Two'' that Malfoy's wand is now allied to Harry's, after he defeated the former and took it. It can be extrapolated, then, that the allegiance of a wand does not come from simply taking it, but from defeating the wizard in question. In the infamous Astronomy Tower scene in ''The Half-Blood Prince'', Malfoy merely disarmed Dumbledore; Snape killed him. In the films, as in the books, Voldemort believes that Snape is the master of the Elder Wand and has him killed. But - and this is crucial - he does not do it himself, no doubt out of fear that the Elder Wand will rebel against him to protect its true master. But rather than simply using another wand, he has Nagini kill Snape. Nagini, a living entity with as much of a human soul within it as Voldemort itself.]]
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83	* There's a breakdown in logic here, both in your interpretation of defeat and Voldemort's. [[spoiler: Draco defeated Dumbledore to the same level that Harry defeated Draco, and as you say below, Ollivander found that level of defeat sufficient to transfer allegiance of a wand. The reason that Voldemort believed that Snape was the Elder Wand's master is that he didn't know about Draco disarming (and thus defeating) Albus at all. He simply assumed that because Snape had killed Dumbledore, that he'd done it without assistance. Therefore, by the time Nagini kills Snape, the matter was already settled as described and Harry was already master of the Elder Wand.]]
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85	[[spoiler: Throughout both parts of ''Deathly Hallows'', we see a phenomenon simply not present in the books; that Voldemort slowly falls apart as his Horcruxes are destroyed, implying that, rather than just anchoring his soul to the mortal plane, they are literally holding his body together. Cut to the end of ''Deathly Hallows, Part Two'', and Harry and Voldemort's epic final confrontation, climaxing in a final wand stalemate broken only by Neville swiftly slaying Nagini. Voldemort barely has time to fire one last Avada Kedavra before dying, apparently by his own curse rebounding. Yet we see no apparent signs of an actual rebounded curse; nor does Avada Kedavra cause an individual to explode into confetti. It seems far more likely that Voldemort's death was due to the death of Nagini. Nor is any mastery of the Elder Wand made apparent by Harry. Oddly enough, the scene where Harry uses the wand to repair his old one is completely omitted, leaving us with a movie where Harry did not once use the Elder Wand. Why, then, should we assume he mastered it?]]
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87	* The problem with your "phenomenon" idea is that [[spoiler: Voldemort's body isn't like other bodies, it's a reconstruction built by a magic spell. Therefore, it could logically have problems that a real body wouldn't have, like slowly disintegrating as horcruxes were eliminated and falling to ash when Voldemort's soul finally left it because there were no horcruxes left to anchor him to reality.]] As to mastery, [[spoiler: Nothing about mastery requires a wand to be used for anything. As Ollivander said so long before that, "The wand chooses the wizard" so the fact that Harry didn't use it doesn't change the Elder Wand's choice to ally itself with him.]]
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89	[[spoiler: Putting all the pieces together, it seems far more likely that Snape, who ultimately bested Dumbledore (as Malfoy certainly wasn't going to kill him or seize his wand), did become the master of the Elder Wand, until mastery was taken from him by Nagini, who had every bit as much right to hold ownership of the wand as Voldemort, thanks to the piece of a human soul within him. Finally, Neville took the life of Nagini, making him the master of the wand. Voldemort did not die because Harry was the master of the wand; he, never the wand's master, could not overcome the wand stalemate between he and Harry, which lasted until his death, at which point Harry's Expelliarmus took effect and he seized the Elder Wand.]]
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91	* [[spoiler: It was Dumbledore's fear that Draco would eventually convince himself to kill him (and tear his soul as a result) that led Albus to ask Severus to kill him instead. If Dumbledore thought it was likely to happen (enough to build an alternate plan to prevent it) then the Elder Wand could easily consider the disarming to be the first step in killing him, and wouldn't necessarily care that Snape intervened. After all, Draco himself thought he'd have to kill Dumbledore and was actively trying to work up the courage to do it when Snape stepped in.]]
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93	[[spoiler: Which means that he just snapped Neville's wand in two and tossed it off a bridge. Class act, Harry.]]
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95	[[spoiler: I actually had this thought while the movie played but assuming Nagini whom can't cast magic due to not being human and or have magical properties than this theory falls apart.]]
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97	* I'm so glad there's at least one other person out there who agrees with me on this. No one else every seems to give this theory weight when we discuss it. OP, you just made my day.
98	* Wands are smart and can probably tell the difference between practice and true combat. So when the kids are practicing their wands know that it's not a true conflict. When Draco disarms Dumbeldore, that was true conflict. Sure Dumbeldore wasn't putting up a fight, but that just proves to the Elder Wand that he's a pussy. Whereas Draco, who did poof out later, at the moment of disarming Dumbeldore had the cajones to stand up to and challenge a wizard who was orders of magnitude his superior in magical skill. Match, Draco, as far as the Elder Wand is concerned.
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100	[[WMG: Hedwig is alive and well somewhere in the forest, occasionally barfing up slugs.]]
101	Slugulus Eructo is a green bolt spell, and we don't know that Hedwig ''wasn't'' vomiting up slugs as soon as she fell offscreen. The spell just stunned her out of flight.
102	* The light was indeed the Avada Kedavra curse. Hedwig is dead.
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104	[[WMG:Actually Creator/SeanBean was only ever offered one role...]]
105	but Rowling decided that, as awesome as it would be, he was too old to be [[SacrificialLion Cedric.]]
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107	[[WMG: None of the girls at Hogwarts wanted to date Draco after Voldemort had hugged him.]]
108	Even Pansy Parkinson dumped him after that. That's why his wife at the end is someone who'd never been shown before.
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110	(Yeah, I know in the books it's [[spoiler: Astoria Greengrass]]. But in the books, Voldemort never hugged Draco, so his life went completely differently.)
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112	[[WMG: When Warner Brothers heard all the comments about how people liked how the tone of the story was getting darker each installment, they thought the people meant the ''cinematography''.]]
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114	To the point that you'd better turn off your lights and black out your windows when you watch Deathly Hallows 2 at home. Good thing there's no Potter 8, or we'd be staring at a black screen for two hours.
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116	[[WMG:The blue stone in Ravenclaws Diadem is a piece of the Hope Diamond]]
117	I wouldn't put it past Rowena to use a super-uber rare stone for her magnum opus rather than a more common stone.
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119	[[WMG:The Entity in the locket was really Ron's Shadow]]
120	It showed Ron the things he didn't want to believe. Oh and all Harry Potter films take place inside a TV.
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122	[[WMG: Veritaserum doesn't just involve honesty, but actual truth]]
123	When Barty Crouch Jr. is presumably still under Veritaserum's influence, he says to Harry "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" and reveals the Dark Mark on his forearm. For no clear reason, Dumbledore tells Harry to show Crouch his own bloody forearm (a second time). Perhaps something terrible happens if a Veritaserum drinker utters something that turns out to be false, as if the universe has to correct itself from the inconsistency. (And further, in this instance the potion "interprets" Crouch's if as an if-and-only-if.)
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125	[[WMG: General guesses about the upcoming ''Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them'' film series.]]
126	* Kennilworthy Whisp (you know, the guy who wrote ''Quidditch Through The Ages'') will be a main character, serving as Newt Scamander's friend and foil. While Newt is the bookish type obsessed with magical creatures, Ken is the laid-back rogue who's focused on Quidditch.
127	* Cameos of other characters from the series from an earlier point in their lives. Mind you, the list of available characters is rather limited. The film would take place in the early 1900's, before most of the cast was even born.
128	** Alternatively, the descendants of major characters.
129	*** Do you mean ancestors? One's grandparents are one's ancestors, one's grandchildren are one's descendants. The descendants of main characters would be more likely to appear in a film set in the future. But then, there's always time travel...
130	* The main antagonist is not an obscenely powerful dark wizard like Voldemort, but an intelligent and dangerous beast of some sort. Maybe a centaur or werewolf.
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132	[[WMG: Lucius was trying to use the killing curse on ''Dobby'']]
133	* I know it was just the actor speaking the first curse that came to mind, but since it's such a common fan complaint, how about this for an in-universe explanation. Many have pointed out that film-Lucius' attempted use of an unforgivable curse right outside Dumbledore's office at the end of ''Chamber of Secrets'' is out of character as it would almost certainly get him sent to Azkaban... if he used it on a human being. Killing a house-elf, however might have gotten him a slap on the wrist at best, and killing Dobby in front of him would have been the perfect way of putting Harry in his place for the stunt with the sock. Dobby (and presumably Harry as well) misinterprets Lucius' intended target and springs to what he thinks is Harry's defense, and nothing more is said of it.
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135	[[WMG: Molly Weasley is a dark witch.]]
136	Watch her duel against Bellatrix Lestrange at the end: she was using nonverbal magic, but the spells she was throwing, or some of them at least, were green in color. Note as well that Bellatrix was laughing right until after the first such green spell Molly threw, after which Bellatrix got a shocked and frightened look on her face. She recognized the spell that Molly had just cast at her: the killing curse. And sure enough, Molly did kill her in that duel. Clearly Molly was going for the kill and was using the deadliest magic at her command, including the killing curse. It is a good lesson, when you think about it: DarkIsNotEvil, and some dark wizards and witches were good people and fought against Tom Riddle.
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138	[[WMG: Fenrir Greyback's monstrosity being downplayed in the film series was ''completely'' intentional.]]

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