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3[[folder:Pre-Release]]
4[[WMG:Leland Owlsey will be a CompositeCharacter with either Don Rigoletto or Alexander Bont.]]
5The rise of the Kingpin is likely to be one of the first season's main storylines, and the fact that he hasn't married Vanessa yet implies that the show will have Wilson Fisk early in his career. The age difference between Owlsey and Fisk makes it possible that Owlsey will start the show as the most powerful crime lord, but will eventually lose the position to Fisk.
6* Jossed. Rigoletto is mentioned to have [[DeadlyEuphemism retired]] prior to the start of season 1.
7[[WMG:Vanessa will become pregnant with Richard Fisk, her son with Kingpin from the comics. ]]
8There are a few different ways this could play out:
9* Vanessa will shack up with Wilson and then give birth in the finale, possibly in a montage showing a long passage of time.
10* Vanessa will reveal she's pregnant in the last episode, possibly just to confirm Richard's existence in the MCU.
11** Both are jossed as of the first season, but either could still happen at some point.
12* Alternatively...
13
14[[WMG:Richard would not be Vanessa's son, but instead the Kingpin's son from some previous relationship.]]
15Allowing him to reach adulthood during the series and fulfill [[TheStarscream his usual role in canon.]]
16* This Richard could be given a RaceLift and become (half)black as a MythologyGag.
17
18[[WMG:The Jester's civilian identity of John Powers will appear in an episode.]]
19He'll be a struggling actor who is accused of theft. Matt and Foggy will refuse to defend him in court when he tries to hire them. Nothing big in the narrative, just a throwaway scene. Which would be a great pie in the face to the character.
20
21[[WMG:Kingpin's men will be based on minor villains.]]
22* Turk Barrett and Grotto will be two street thugs who work for him.
23** I don’t [[spoiler: think Grotto, not after he was killed in season 2.]]
24* Miguel Eloganto (The Matador) will be a burglar who he hires to steal from the competition.
25* Buck Cashman (Bullet) will be his go-to hitman. His relationship with his autistic son may or may not be brought up briefly.
26
27[[WMG:Daredevil and Spidey will crossover]]
28Now that Marvel have access to Spidey, they might want to finally adapt Pete and Matty's Bromance, including a team-up movie, appearances in coinciding works, and maybe even give Spidey a few guest spots on DD's show in the second season.
29
30[[WMG:Minor Spider-Man villains will appear on the show.]]
31Spider-Man and Daredevil occasionally share villains, and this could be an opportunity for Marvel to use Spider-Man villains they don't have film plans for. Possibilities include
32* Hammerhead
33* The Enforcers
34* Mysterio, in an adaptation of Guardian Devil.
35** Recent rumors have stated Mysterio will appear in Season 2. As to whether the show will adapt Guardian Devil remains to be seen.
36* Shocker
37* Chameleon
38* Tinkerer
39[[/folder]]
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41[[folder:Post-Season One]]
42[[WMG:Claire's ex-boyfriend is Mike Peterson.]]
43She mentions in passing that she used to date a guy named Mike who used to keep secrets from her. Some have taken this as a hint that her ex-boyfriend might be Mike Peterson - AKA Deathlok - from ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''
44
45[[WMG:Madame Gao is from K'un-L'un]]
46This would fit her cryptic statement about coming from someplace "A lot farther."
47* Another point to support this; the heroin she manufactures is called and has the mark of Steel Serpent, an Iron Fist villain and K'un-Lun native.
48* Confirmed in ''Series/IronFist2017''.
49[[WMG:Madame Gao is Crane Mother]]
50From another one of the capital cities of heaven. She's going to reappear in Iron Fist as a recurring foe.
51
52[[WMG:Stick is also not from Earth]]
53He's insistent in his terminology that he's looking for soldiers, and the final conversation with a mysterious figure that he has in episode 7 includes this exchange:
54
55-->'''Enigma:''' And Murdock?\
56'''Stick:''' Stubborn, immature, still a real pain in the ass.\
57'''Enigma:''' Will he be ready when the doors open?\
58'''Stick:''' I have ''no'' idea.
59
60This, along with the incense burner and the scarred back of the massively muscled Enigma he's talking to, strongly suggests that he is from one of the other capital cities of heaven and has been recruiting soldiers for a confrontation during a long-predicted celestial alignment where the doors between the cities of heaven will open. Gao is from another faction.
61
62* The figure, while listed as "Enigma", is most likely [[spoiler: Stone, a member of The Chaste, a splinter offshoot of the Hand.]] The confrontation/war Stick is planning for [[spoiler: will most likely be a Hand/Chaste war]] and Kun-Lun is completely off Stick's radar for the time being.
63
64[[WMG:Bullseye]]
65The ESU sniper in "Condemned" has an Ace Of Spades in his bag, a signature of Bullseye in the comics.
66
67[[WMG:Owlsley's son will be the MCU version of the Owl]]
68Some fans were disappointed that the show's version of Leland Owlsley was an elderly accountant with no powers instead of a middle-aged superhuman crime lord. However, it's mentioned several times that he has a son named "Lee", possible short for "Leland, Jr." This could mean that Owlsley's son will appear in future seasons as the Owl, making him a DecompositeCharacter.
69
70[[WMG:The Atlas office across the hall is an Atlas Foundation front]]
71Sure, we'll never see Comicbook/AgentsOfAtlas in the MCU, but still. The office across the hall from Nelson & Murdock is an old Atlas Foundation front with a sinister plan! It'd be particularly funny since the N&M office used to be the "Van Lunt" office - a front for the Zodiac crime empire right across the hall?
72
73[[WMG:Characters introduced in the series may come BackFromTheDead or be revealed to be NotQuiteDead later on]]
74Hey, [[DeathIsCheap it's a comic book show]].
75* Bets on Nobu, seeing how he's such a tough S-O-B that he could have been probably faking his death in the aftermath of his battle with Daredevil
76** Given that his masters are most likely [[spoiler: The Hand, who have a ton of resurrection methods available to them]] and one of Nobu's "many names" is probably [[spoiler: Kirigi, who himself knows even more ways of recuperating, making death for him little more than a minor setback]], it is highly unlikely this was ever planned to be a permanent state for Nobu.
77** In "Nelson vs. Murdock", Madame Gao did say that Nobu's "clan" is preparing his body "for what comes next", without saying what it is. Could a funeral. Could be a [[spoiler:Hand resurrection ritual]].
78** [[spoiler: Part 2 of the Season 2 trailer seems to confirm Nobu's return; a Hand member (whose face is purposely obscured) is shown wielding a Shoge Hook and speaking of "The Rising"]]
79** [[spoiler: Confirmed -- but not for long]].
80* [[spoiler:Elektra's apparent death in the season two finale is implied to be reversible]].
81* ''Series/IronFist2017'' delves further into the resurrection process with Harold Meachum.
82[[WMG:The Hand will be the BigBad of the Defenders.]]
83Aside from [[spoiler: losing Nobu, the Hand/the Japanese element of Fisk's crime organization]] is a KarmaHoudini, not being busted, and maintaining control over the city block they bargained for. Perhaps the next three series will slowly introduce more of [[spoiler: The Hand]], letting the city become slowly infested by it, before they're set up as the BigBad of the crossover miniseries. The war that Stick mentions would likely be against them.
84* It would also give Iron Fist more martial artists to fight, and tie into [[spoiler: Madame Gao's likely Kun Lun ties, and why she was in New York in the first place.]]
85* Additionally, [[spoiler: the city block they specifically demanded (they would accept no substitute) is the location where "the doors will open", as mentioned in Stick's last conversation in episode 7.]]
86* No overt signs of The Hand in ''Series/{{Jessica Jones|2015}}''. Or ''Series/LukeCage2016''.
87* Pretty much confirmed for ''Series/TheDefenders2017'' since a lot of the ''Daredevil'' cast, including all of the main protagonist cast members, plus Stick and Elektra, are confirmed.
88[[WMG:"Ben Urich" will become a Legacy Character.]]
89Someone will use the name as an alias to keep the spirit of being a news reporter alive.
90* As of the end of season 2, Karen Page seems to have taken up Ben's role as the newspaper confidant.
91[[WMG:Ben Urich's dissatisfaction with the New York Bulletin comes from knowing that he's supposed to be at the Bugle.]]
92
93[[WMG:Next season will feature at least a few done-in-one stories.]]
94They already set ground work for Stilt-Man and Gladiator, so it's not implausible that about 3-5 episodes next season are going to be done in one stories.
95* Jossed -- season two is pretty heavily centered on Matt's conflict with The Punisher, Elektra, and [[spoiler:The Hand]].
96
97[[WMG:Phil Urich will be introduced in Season 2.]]
98[[spoiler: Furthermore, this version will be a reporter as well, and take the role his now-deceased uncle usually fulfills in Daredevil mythology.]].
99* He might even appear in Marvel's Spider-man film, to play up his parallels to Peter, being two reporters with an Uncle Ben.
100
101[[WMG:Vanessa will die or leave Wilson]]
102This will prompt Wilson to switch to his trademark white suit, a color he associates with loneliness.
103
104[[WMG:Claire will be the one to get the Defenders together.]]
105Given her role as the Night Nurse and showing a willingness to help people vigilantes, she will eventually tend to Jessica Jones and Iron Fist (if his series is set in New York and not K'un Lun). The comic character is a love interest of Luke Cage as well. She may or may not me Coulson'd to motivate the characters into forming a team.
106* Took a step further, their dynamic would be: Matt will be TheLeader and The Cynic (because he was introduced first), Jessica would be TheSmartGirl and The Realist (she's a detective), Luke will be TheBigGuy and The Apathetic (he only joined because his wife, ex-girlfriend and friend formed the team), Danny will be TheLancer, TheHeart and The Optimist (given that he has the least cynical and violent attitude compare to the rest) and Claire would be TheMedic, The Conflict ''and'' the SacrificialLamb.
107* Claire did mention Matt (though not by name) to Jessica Jones in the finale of her season, so this could be plausible.
108* Semi-confirmed, as she's the only character to appear across all four of the Netflix shows.
109[[WMG:Stick thought Matt was going to be the next Iron Fist]]
110Some ArcWelding will be done with this series and Iron Fist. Stick has some connection to K'un Lun and thought Matt would do more than just beat up criminals.
111
112[[WMG:Wesley is Richard Fisk/Rose.]]
113Wesley is utterly and completely loyal to Fisk, but it's never explained what he gets out of it. If he was actually Wilson Fisk's son, that would explain his devotion, as well as Wilson's highly emotional reaction to his death. As for why Wesley has a fake name, Wilson probably realized that if people knew Wesley was his son, they would try to use it as a leverage against him, and that would put Wesley/Richard into unnecessary risk.
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115With a little fudging, it can work, since there's a 22 year age gap in real life between Vincent D'Onofrio (Fisk) and Toby Leonard Moore (Wesley).
116
117[[WMG:Melvin Potter's StartOfDarkness will be the death of Betsy.]]
118Perhaps he will blame Daredevil for failing to save her and become Gladiator to avenge her/kill Daredevil.
119
120[[WMG:Madame Gao is one of the Inhuman Elders that [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Jiaying and Gordon]] answer to.]]
121It would explain both her "alieness" and the fact that she says that her homeland is not China, but somewhere further from New York, which would be impossible otherwise.
122
123[[WMG:There is a perfectly valid InUniverse reason for Matt's PermaStubble.]]
124A few people have asked elsewhere how Matt, a lawyer, would be able to get away with having a few days' worth of stubble all the time. A related question is why he would leave it if he could perceive it with his enhanced senses. However, his enhanced sense of touch is keen enough that he has to sleep on silk sheets, because cotton feels like sandpaper. Thus, the simple act of shaving would probably feel like he was being flayed. His co-workers and associates (except Foggy, after "Nelson v. Murdock"; and Karen after the season 2 finale) would probably wave it off as him not being able to see properly for a close shave.
125
126[[WMG:Matt and [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Skye]] knew each other as children, due to St Agnes orphanage.]]
127Matt is about the same age as Skye, or just a year or two older and St Agnes was mentioned as early as 'Cut man'. A flashback to Matt's orphanage days in S2 will feature a little girl named Mary Sue Poots; maybe even Chloe showing up on Daredevil or Charlie in [=AoS=] S3, in order to beef up interest between DD s2 and The Defenders? They're on different channels but Marvel Studios cut the cheques on both, so it's possible, especially since they have the same show runner.
128Matt is likely on the Gifted Index; "the lawyer from Hell's Kitchen with the super senses".
129
130[[WMG:Vanessa will take over Fisk's empire or at least be TheFace of it while Wilson is in prison]]
131With Wesley dead, Vanessa can take care of the day-to-day dealings of "the business" while her soon-to-be husband steers the ship from prison. Eventually, this means that ''Vanessa'', not Wilson, will orchestrate the Netflix version of the 'Born Again' storyline.
132* She's hiding out overseas in season 2.
133[[WMG:Wilson Fisk murdered the hell out of Don Rigoletto]]
134* In ''The Man Without Fear'' (the Frank Miller comic that most directly inspired this show's first season), it's established that Wilson Fisk was Rigoletto's bodyguard until he murdered him and became the Kingpin. This may have been the case in the show timeline as well.
135* It's known from flashbacks in the eighth episode that Fisk's father borrowed money from Rigoletto to fund his political campaign, and was in substantial debt when he lost the election.
136* Wesley mentions in the pilot episode that Fisk acquired Rigoletto's books after the Don "retired".
137* According to Ben Urich's mafia contact in the third episode, Silvio, Rigoletto's "retirement" consisted of being killed and chopped into pieces.
138
139[[WMG:General Speculation on how The Punisher will be handled in Season 2]]
140* Frank Castle will likely be introduced in an early scene where Daredevil responds to a crime in progress and/or a lead at which Frank has arrived for the same reason. [[LetsYouAndHimFight He and Castle mistake each other for the criminal they had come to stop]], and fight each other to a standstill, ending when both heroes realize they're on the same side and after the same thing. They'll proceed to spend the season [[TeethClenchedTeamwork grudgingly working together]] on occasions when neither can get what they want alone and Castle is in a good enough mood to break his IWorkAlone policy. Since they inhabit opposite ends of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, they will likely never become true allies.
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142* He will likely be portrayed as older and much more experienced than Matt at the whole "vigilante" thing. This will be highlighted by the fact that while Matt has to put some effort into striking fear in the hearts of evildoers, while most criminals will already recognize and be afraid of The Punisher, implying that Castle has been around at least long enough to become well known amongst the criminal population of New York as their own personal grim reaper. To put it simply: Daredevil is scary because he tries to be. The Punisher is ''pants-shittingly terrifying'' because he doesn't.
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144* While he will never go into full-on antagonist mode, Frank Castle and Matt Murdock will at least become DuelingMessiahs.
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146* Expect Matt to project some of his [[DisappearedDad 'daddy' issues]] with Stick onto Castle due to their similar personalities; particularly their shared casual disregard for the lives of their enemies and refusal to permit themselves close personal ties.
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148* Similarly, Castle's brand of vigilantism will cause Matt to once again wrestle with the morality of killing those he fights and begins to question whether it's right to PayEvilUntoEvil, or if that just makes them all [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Those Who Fight Monsters.]]
149
150* Ultimately their [[HeadbuttingHeroes clashing ideals]] will boil over into a showdown later in the series when Castle is dead set on killing an antagonist that Matt is equally set on keeping alive. Daredevil will likely be confident in his skills to see him through as usual, but Castle will have [[WorthyOpponent taken note of DD's prowess]] in their initial encounter and will not make the mistake of underestimating him. Using his trademark [[CombatPragmatist Combat Pragmatism]] and by [[UnscrupulousHero exploiting Matt's weaknesses,]] Castle will gain the upper hand and leave Matt disabled just long enough to kill his intended target.
151
152* The mobsters that killed Frank's family worked for Fisk. He and Daredevil will clash over whether or not to kill him.
153
154* Frank didn't become the Punisher until ''after'' the events of Season 1. When Frank's family was murdered, he initially trusted the police to bring the killers to justice. When it was revealed how much of the NYPD was in Fisk's pocket, Frank realized he'd never get justice unless he went after it himself.
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156* A variation of the scene discussed in [[http://moviepilot.com/posts/3399602 this article]] will be the climax of the conflict between the two.
157
158[[WMG:If she appears, Typhoid Mary will be another IGH experiment]]
159She's a fairly major Daredevil villain, but she's a mutant. If Marvel has the rights to her, they'll need another explanation for her powers. IGH would serve to connect her with the rest of the Netflix series. The possibly IGH-related web of unethical experimentation that produced Kilgrave and Simpson could easily be the source of someone like Mary as well– who is both superpowered and riddled with psychological issues.
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161It’s hard to know what the post-''Defenders'' landscape will look like in terms of primary characters popping into each other’s shows, but it’s certainly possible that Matt could get involved. Mary could very easily become a ''Jessica Jones'' villain in this universe, with ''Jessica Jones'' season 2 being her origin story arc, with Mary then becoming embroiled in Wilson Fisk’s plans as a pawn/ally in ''Daredevil'' Season 3.
162* Jossed. IGH was exposed in the second season of ''Series/JessicaJones2015''. Meanwhile, Typhoid Mary made her debut in ''Series/IronFist2017''.
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164
165[[WMG:Punisher will be revealed to own a truck that is similar with the truck that (temporarily) "saved" Nick Fury from HYDRA assassins and killed Jasper Sitwell in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'']]
166There are already [[http://comicbook.com/2014/09/14/was-the-punisher-being-established-in-captain-america-the-winter/ speculations]] that Punisher is the driver of that truck.
167* How would he know where to be in those cases? And why be in DC instead of NYC?
168
169[[WMG:ComicBook/GhostRider (Johnny Blaze) will make his debut in the series.]]
170He and Daredevil will have [[LetsYouAndHimFight misunderstanding]] until they both realize they're on the same side. It will also be a ShoutOut to the original idea of him being a Daredevil villain.
171
172[[WMG:The Taxi Driver in the cab Daredevil got into in the season finale was Comicbook/MoonKnight]]
173This is mainly just because it would be interesting if Marvel did that.
174
175[[WMG:Fisk will be DemotedToDragon in the Defenders series.]]
176
177The Hand, IGH or whoever will be the Big Bad of the Defenders show will have use for Wilson Fisk's operation running skills and recruits him (even breaking him out of prison if he is still there) for help in their big plans. Fisk will think he is just facing off against Daredevil again but is taken aback when he finds out he now has superpowered allies and then disassociates himself from them at the nearest opportunity [[DragonAscendant to return as Big Bad for the next Daredevil season.]]
178** Pretty much jossed. Vincent D'Donofrio has said on his Twitter feed that Fisk won't be in ''The Defenders''. That's not to say that the events of ''The Defenders'' won't impact the ease of Fisk's return to head of organized crime in the Five Boroughs. We know ''Series/LukeCage2016'' saw organized crime in Harlem get crippled as a result of Luke's takedown of Cottonmouth and Diamondback, and the damage to the Hand in ''Series/IronFist2017'' and ''The Defenders'' might be of benefit for Fisk.
179* Jossed. Fisk doesn't appear.
180
181[[WMG:The setup of Detective Blake's death was exactly as planned]]
182
183Off the theory that the sniper that shot Detective Blake is supposed to be Bullseye. Bullseye is known to be an expert sharpshooter. Off that, I could say that it was Fisk's plan all along for Blake to be shot non-fatally and then be poisoned by Hoffman in the hospital. Given Wesley's background research, they'd know how far back Blake and Hoffman go, so they'd know from the get-go that Hoffman might not be at ease about Blake getting shot. Which is why they set up this scenario, to test Hoffman's loyalty to Fisk.
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185* Jossed. The sniper was not Bullseye, as Benjamin "Dex" Poindexter doesn't appear until season 3.
186
187[[WMG:Matt knows that Karen killed Wesley]]
188I want to think that Matt suspected Karen had killed Wesley, even if she's not going to admit to what she did. She may have taken a lengthy shower and drank a lot right away. But here's the thing: with Matt's heightened senses, I can't imagine him not being able to detect faint traces of gunpowder residue on her hands.
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190Also there's the fact that I think, while out as Daredevil, Matt likely overheard some rumors floating around about Wesley's death. He eventually processed that Wesley was shot the same night he smelled gunpowder on Karen's hands, owing to the fact that neither he nor Foggy could account for Karen's whereabouts for the time of the shooting (his heightened senses would cause him to notice it in spite of Karen's drinking and showering).
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192It would make sense that Matt might know and is keeping quiet. As Karen said in "Penny and Dime" when she talked about her brother, she never had brought it up in conversation before because Matt never asked her anything. And she asks him stuff because she wants to know him. But he keeps hiding. Karen seems like an open book too. She isn't afraid to talk about her feelings when someone asks her to, she doesn't hide anything when someone asks her. The thing is: Matt never did it. So it's possible he does know or at least suspect that she killed Wesley and hasn't said anything because he knows he'd make her upset.
193
194[[WMG:Melvin had already designed the Daredevil suit by the time Matt first found out about his existence]]
195
196There's a rather short turnaround time between when Matt first visits Melvin Potter in the eleventh episode of season 1, and when he has the suit completed just in time for Matt's final fight with Fisk in the finale. Only maybe a little over a week had passed between the two events (assuming there was a time skip of a few days between Ben's death and the funeral). A suit like that would take some time for Melvin to first conceptualize and then actually design.
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198So perhaps Melvin had already created the suit. Likely, he saw the news coverage about the Devil of Hell's Kitchen following the bombings, thought that the outfit Matt was wearing looked pretty basic, and decided to create an actual devil-themed costume in his spare time. By the time Matt met him, Melvin had already built a prototype (in secret, to keep Fisk from finding out). From glancing over Matt, he was then able to get Matt's physical dimensions down, and he only then needed a few days to modify the parts that needed to be tweaked for the suit to fit someone with Matt's build.
199[[/folder]]
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201[[folder:Post-Season Two]]
202[[WMG:Frank Castle figured out that Matt was Daredevil early]]
203
204Frank Castle certainly realized Matt was Daredevil in the season 2 finale, since he had to see Matt with his mask off while looking down the sights of his rifle after taking out the Hand ninjas.
205
206But I think Frank had figured out Matt's identity much earlier. All evidence seems to suggest that he should. This is a bit like the situation with Karen– where it seems as though she should have at least a sneaking suspicion that Matt is Daredevil, but it’s not actually clear if she does within the context of the show. But in Frank’s case, our guess is that yes: he either recognizes Matt, or gets really close to it.
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208The key bit of evidence is Colonel Schoonover’s comment to Karen right before she realizes he's the Blacksmith. The colonel talks about Frank’s talent for doing impressions, and his awareness of subtle behavioral details, "A sixth sense about tics and subconscious behaviors." We see this character trait in action in Frank’s interactions with Karen. Karen keeps a pretty good poker face, but he is able to pick up on her mood shifts and nonverbal signals with an accuracy that she clearly finds unsettling. Frank is an expert at reading people and situations, which is likely a skill that kept him alive on the battlefield and has helped him in his current crusade against the criminal underworld. It’s actually interesting, given this, to note the degree to which he misreads Matt in their first encounter– but that long conversation on the roof is about both of them projecting and seeing the enemy they want to see, so thematically, this discrepancy makes sense.
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210On that note, Frank and Matt (as Daredevil) have a bunch of very long conversations, during which Frank has more than enough opportunities to get to know Daredevil’s voice and speech patterns, facial expressions (from the nose down, anyway) and any number of other identifying features. [[SecretIdentityApathy The fact that he doesn’t care who Daredevil really is (and why would he?) doesn’t mean he wouldn’t still notice those details]], and then have them jump back out at him when he finds himself sitting in front of Matt Murdock. Not only does Matt, in both identities, talk a lot, but he also brings up the same ideas.
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212The theme of vigilantism and what it means to be a hero comes up again and again in this show, and it pervades almost all of Matt and Frank’s interactions. Frank should notice that this lawyer who kinda resembles Daredevil also shares Daredevil's views on the Punisher and is weirdly enthusiastic about superheroes. If he were to figure out that Matt was Daredevil, then yes, the trial would be the most likely place for him to make that connection.
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214After that, it’s then possible to read Frank and Karen’s conversation about Matt in the diner as another hint that Frank is starting to piece things together. His questions about Matt’s subterfuge (”You never lie to me.” “Does he?”) could be Frank making a sneaky attempt to figure out how much Karen knows.
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216There have been discussions about whether Frank might have seen Matt’s face during the climactic battle with the Hand in the season 2 finale, and so far it's a blur. It’s dark, there’s a lot going on, and Frank is sniping from pretty far away, so he might not be able to see much. But it’s also possible that he could have looked at Matt through his scope, and gotten a good enough glimpse of his face to recognize him. At the same time, though, would he bother? Would he care? His “See you around, Red” is a little tease from the writers that he might know, without actually confirming anything. But, he probably knows, given everything discussed above– and just like with Karen, we’ll keep believing that until it’s proven to be wrong.
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218Of course, Matt’s blindness is always a factor in these kinds of situations, but Frank would likely assume– as most people do at first– that he fakes it. However, there’s actually a chance that Frank knows Daredevil is blind and/or has some kind of extrasensory perception, which leads into a related topic: Matt’s casual use of his powers around Frank. We already know that Frank is really good at picking up details and reading people. He’s also a highly trained combatant who would probably, as second nature, [[FightingFingerprint analyze the fighting styles of his enemies]] in an attempt to find weaknesses. Someone with Frank's level of experience could conceivably notice that the person he’s fighting never needs to look at anything, as happened when Matt was rescuing Frank from the Irish. If he were to think hard enough about this, it wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to hypothesize that, at the very least, vision is not Daredevil’s primary way of perceiving what’s going on around him.
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220Beyond that, we can pretty much guarantee that Frank knows about Daredevil’s hypersenses, because Matt is not subtle about using them around him. This is a big deal. Traditionally, Matt tends to play down his powers in the presence of those who don’t know about them (which, for a long time, was almost everybody). He lets people assume that he’s just your average non-powered martial artist/acrobat, because letting people in on his hypersenses would essentially mean revealing his weaknesses. If the wrong person were to, say, learn that the Devil of Hell's Kitchen is really sensitive to loud noises, he could run into some problems.
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222But Matt starts whipping out his enhanced perception from the very beginning around Frank, and it’s possible that Frank starts picking up on them as early as the conversation on the rooftop. Matt detects the Vietnam veteran coming up to the roof, and the use of the audio/visual cues that the show has implemented to indicate when Matt is using his hypersenses in this moment suggests that Frank probably can’t hear anything. Right after this the staging gets a little difficult to figure out, but it looks as though the open door into the stairwell could be around the corner from where Matt is tied up, and therefore outside of his visual range (if he had one, anyway). So, when Frank removes the gun’s safety for Daredevil’s benefit, is he testing the limits of Matt’s hearing? It’s clearly a very quiet sound, because the old man in the stairwell doesn’t notice it. And during their conversation in the graveyard, Matt admits to eavesdropping on Frank whispering "One batch two batch penny and dime" in another room. If Frank didn’t know there was something up with Matt’s senses before, he definitely does now.
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224This even extends to how Frank can tell Matt and Karen are in love with each other despite only having seen them together on two occasions. He hadn't seen Matt and Karen together a lot, maybe twice tops, but he could tell just from hours of being in the courtroom that they were in a relationship or had some sort of romantic tension between them. Karen is literally just sitting there watching Matt do his thing and based on her reaction to Matt, he could tell she was in love with Matt. It makes the idea that he could tell Matt was Daredevil more plausible. And really the one thing that throws most people off of Matt's trail for being Daredevil is the fact that he's blind. So it's clear that Frank knows Matt isn't as helpless as he lets on. Those little micro-habits that Matt does to pretend like he doesn't know where anything is feels like something Frank would see right through.
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226Alternately, though, it's possible Frank didn't figure it out at all. Given the way the season 2 finale scene is filmed and cut, it's also possible that Frank didn't have any reasonable view or amount of time to really see Matt's face. He's much farther away than it initially appears since he's on a roof across the street, the area is dark, and Matt gives no more than a quick glance over his shoulder. The reactions that people refer to earlier in the season where they think Frank is recognizing Matt, those could just be Frank acting annoyed with the whole lawyer/court process thing. To Frank, Matt is a totally typical lawyer aside from being blind which means he doesn't think very highly of him, and the way Matt tries to keep up the act of unfamiliarity probably comes off as smug and irritating for Frank.
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228
229[[WMG:Bullseye will be the BigBad of Season Three -- assuming it happens.]]
230Now that two seasons are in the can, it's probably the right time to bring one of Daredevil's most notorious adversaries into the fold.
231* He'll be hired by Wilson Fisk.
232* Not that there’s anything wrong with Bullseye, but he’s basically Daredevil's version of the Joker. Everyone expects him to be in everything, he is massively over-used, and as a result, he gets boring. After two Bullseye-less seasons, it'd be great to keep the streak up. There are a ton of excellent Daredevil villains who have never been adapted to live action. Villains who would be fresh and new. Mr. Fear, for instance, would be an incredible fit for this show. The Jester could be super cool. Give us a good Typhoid Mary adaptation, or Ikari, or Lady Bullseye, or Death Stalker. Melvin Potter to go full-on Gladiator. And if they have to go with Bullseye, do the early variant who left business cards at his crime scenes, and shot Matt out of a giant crossbow, and hallucinated Daredevil everywhere.\
233That said, though, if Bullseye ''does'' enter the picture at any point, he probably won't kill Karen. Beyond being painfully predictable, and a terrible case of "women in refrigerators" when it happened in the comics, killing Karen would also deprive the show of one of its primary movers and shakers. In ''Daredevil'', Karen is a co-protagonist rather than a secondary character, getting her own independent plotlines and adding complexity to parts of the narrative that Matt can’t cover. She also holds a valuable position as a bridge between the superhero and civilian worlds. Yes, Claire does this too, but Karen’s role as a journalist (and Ben Urich-equivalent) gives her a unique and vital perspective on the events of the show. Losing that perspective would be a detriment to potential future seasons. It’s hard to guess who Bullseye might kill, if they end up going that route, but it's more likely that Brett, Marci, or Ellison would be more suitable targets.
234** Confirmed.
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236
237[[WMG:That was Frenchie's brother ordered to kill Elektra.]]
238Moon Knight will be confirmed after Defenders along with Punisher and Elektra spin-offs.
239
240[[WMG:Season Three will be based off on the Born Again storyline.]]
241Fisk tells Matt that he will take everything from him, which is what happens in Born Again. It is unlikely that Will Simpson will appear, given Simpson's over in ''Jessica Jones'', but his role will be filled by Bullseye.
242* Confirmed.
243
244[[WMG:Foggy will not last long at Hogarth, Chao & Benowitz]]
245Yes, he's following Marci Stahl's footsteps in taking up a job offer from Jeri Hogarth, and Hogarth promised to make him a name partner, but it seems Foggy doesn't know about what happened to Wendy. Not to mention, learning about Jeri's association with Kilgrave might not help things, and it's unclear if he would want to work with another vigilante, since dialogue from Foggy's conversation with Marci in "Kinbaku" makes clear that Jessica Jones still does work for HC&B (Marci mentions how Reyes is planning to find some way to incarcerate Jessica once she was done handling Castle). Alternately, the events of ''The Defenders'' and his time with Jessica Jones will cause Foggy to come to better understand and accept of Matt's Daredevil schtick and cause him to decide to give Nelson & Murdock a second chance. A third scenario: Foggy will probably love the new firm at first, especially how much money he makes, but will gradually start to miss the people he used to help working with Matt. Because Nelson & Murdock catered to people who had nowhere else to go and needed someone to fight for them, and HC&B is the kind of firm for people who use lawyers to make their problems go away.
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247
248Besides, in the comics, Nelson & Murdock split up and got back together multiple times. When they split up at the end of season 2, it seemed like part of Foggy didn't want to leave Matt and probably would have gotten cold feet and changed his mind about leaving if Matt was in the mood to argue.
249** Kinda Confirmed? He does ultimately leave the firm but he does remain with them for quite a while in-universe and really only leaves to rejoin with Matt rather than anything else.
250
251[[WMG:Milla Donovan will appear as the daughter of Wilson Fisk's lawyer]]
252It feels like a bit too much of a coincidence that Fisk's attorney would have the same last name as a Daredevil love interest from the comics, and then not have it tie in. Plus, adding a DatingWhatDaddyHates element to their relationship would add a great twist to a quite unpopular comics story.
253
254[[WMG:Foggy working with HC&B will ''help'' Matt]]
255Nelson & Murdock, Attorneys at Law may be history, but Foggy is still around. Now that he's working at Hogarth, Chao & Benowitz, a high powered law firm that has had much experience handling the legal defense for some of Kilgrave's victims (not to mention that Jeri Hogarth herself was a victim of Kilgrave's rampage, since her former spouse was killed and her lover arrested due to his manipulations), that could actually enable him to help Matt more. Furthermore, Marci's dialogue at Josie's makes clear that Hogarth still uses Jessica Jones for private eye work. Undoubtedly, Foggy's going to have some interactions with Jessica and may notice the parallels she has with Matt. Foggy thus finds a way to get over his issues with Matt.
256
257* Confirmed, through giving Matt more clients for his solo practice...though he also ends up getting him to meet Jessica which leads to his whole "death" so...help is debatable.
258
259[[WMG:Matt will be apprehended, and will retain HC&B's newest associate: Foggy Nelson]]
260
261Their friendship is in shreds after S2 largely due to "creative differences" over Matt's vigilantism and ensuing complications. So imagine the awkwardness that will occur when HC&B, hearing that Daredevil is currently in a police holding cell awaiting charges, immediately dispatches the associate they specifically hired to take clients with 'complexities' to defend him! Foggy will basically have to be the Devil's Advocate (heh) against *his * position in the breakup of Nelson and Murdock in front of the New York City media.
262
263[[WMG:Other Black Skies in the MCU]]
264A bit more on the "Wild" end and a 2-part guess, but what do we know so far about those that are Black Skies? They have a berserker state, general blood-knight dispositions, and tend to lose themselves in combat as their bloodlust gains momentum. What if Cap, Bucky, Will/Nuke, Bruce Banner, and Emil Blonsky/The Abomination were all dormant Black Skies who were activated by various government attempts to harness the Black Sky powers after learning of them from Stick in one of his attempts in the early years of his campaign against the Hand to get outside help?
265
266[[WMG:Foggy will be a regular character in the second season of ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' before the events of the third season of ''Daredevil''.]]
267And thus will meet Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. He may even be responsible for introducing those characters to Daredevil.
268
269[[WMG:The Punisher's War on Crime will eventually have him Cross paths with the Hand on more than one occasion, eventually causing him and Daredevil to join forces to put them to rest.]]
270This would ultimately bring them back together in Season 3, giving them more of that teamwork that was shown in the Season 2 finale and show us more of Punisher being the Punisher.
271
272[[WMG:The circumstances behind the death of Karen's brother will be explored in season 3]]
273There has been a lot of implied info about the DWI that killed Karen Page's brother, but none was confirmed in S2. However, her line to Wesley before she killed him ("Do you think this is the first time I've shot someone?") makes clear that she's killed before. I'm guessing the most obvious implication is she killed her brother's killer and thus has already taken lethal vigilante justice TWICE now.
274
275We know Matt had actually tried to learn more about Karen, for example when he asked her about her brother. That wasn’t innocent, the writers are doing groundwork for next season. I think season 3 will focus more on Karen. Season 2 ended with Matt telling her his big secret after all, and we were shown that Ben (and now Ellison) was aware about her past… These elements are all leading to a big reveal on Karen’s part.
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277Plus, I think Matt's known something’s wrong with Karen. He had a lot on his plate this season, but remember back in season 1, when he asked her what was going on, if everything was all right…? He knows. He didn't know that she'd killed Wesley, but he knew something was off. This season didn’t dwell on this, but it was there.
278
279* Confirmed, it ends up becoming a big plot point of the season.
280
281[[WMG:The Death's Head arc will be adapted into season 3]]
282Tying in with the above theory about Karen's brother....
283
284In season 1, Karen seems to be fairly new to New York City. And she implies that the trauma of being framed for murder is her first major experience with the city’s dark side. She could be faking, of course, but to me her “all I see now are its dark corners” speech to Foggy seems genuine.
285
286It does seem as if her move to New York City was family related. Karen’s story about pretending her broom closet was a spaceship in which she could escape, suggests that her home life may have been unhappy– probably even abusive.
287
288Then there's this interesting comment that Karen makes to Mitchell Ellison about Frank Castle in "The Dark at the End of the Tunnel":
289-->'''Karen Page:''' His family was gunned down in front of his face. Now, what he did was wrong… but no one, including YOUR paper, ever mentioned the fact that he was a father and a husband, grieving and looking for answers– and you, more than anyone, should understand why that matters to me.
290
291We’re assuming she’s referencing something that Ellison learned about her from Ben Urich's research. It’s a comment that implies that Karen’s emotional connection to Frank Castle may involve more than their shared experiences with homicide. There’s something about the death of Frank’s family– or his violent reaction to it– that seems to trigger something in her. Did something happen to her family?
292
293At the very least, we know from that newspaper article that her brother was killed in a car accident...but was there more to it? Karen’s extreme emotional reaction to realizing that Ben, and now Ellison, had possession of that information, makes me suspect she was somehow responsible or at least feels responsible for it.
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295I've seen a theory somewhere that Karen's dark past includes a failed suicide attempt, maybe by overdosing on drugs (which would explain why Karen is pretty knowledgeable about narcotics). And that theory is an interesting one, and it’s certainly a possibility– particularly given, again, Karen regularly implies that she had a dysfunctional upbringing.
296
297But think about her assertion in Season 1 that if people came to learn her secrets, they wouldn’t trust her anymore. That’s a loaded claim for her to make. Would her brother’s death– even if she was unintentionally responsible– make her an unreliable source of information going up against Wilson Fisk, like Ben suggested?
298
299Also consider that when Karen was arrested for murder, she didn’t get any support from her family. In "Semper Fidelis," when she's at Matt's apartment, she tells Matt that she knew, while sitting in the precinct interrogation room, that no one would come to help her (which was probably of great benefit for Fisk as it meant no one would miss her when he sent that guard to her cell to attempt to kill her). This suggests that if she does have family still living, at least one or both parties have gone to great lengths to shut the other out. Given all of the suspense and mystery that has been built up around Karen’s past, I at least am assuming (and thinking) that it’s going to be revealed in ''The Punisher'' or ''Daredevil'' season 3 in some big, explosive manner, and it’s likely that this is going to be similar to what the writers have done with Matt, Jessica, and Luke, and it will involve someone from her past reappearing in her life. For Matt, it was Elektra. For Jessica, it was Kilgrave. For Luke, it was Shades and Diamondback. For Karen, it's someone else, like, maybe her father. I honestly could easily see them adapting the Death's Head arc for the show; there’s a lot that could be done with the concept of Paxton Page being a disgraced scientist who went off the deep end and tried to shut the world out.
300
301Deborah Ann Woll has said in interviews that Karen's past will be explored in season 3. In fact, now that Karen's at the ''Bulletin'' and is a reporter, her past is more relevant than ever. Ben and Ellison couldn't care less what her past activities were, but Fisk ''will'' care. Karen's past may not have been relevant when she was just a secretary for Nelson & Murdock, but now she's in a job where people have to trust that every word she writes is truthful, meaning that Fisk could do some real damage to Karen's credibility if he does any digging of his own.
302
303[[WMG:Kirigi will appear in Season 3.]]
304As one of the Hand's best warriors and assassins. He'll be [[RelatedInTheAdaptation Nobu's son]] in this universe, and will get revenge on Daredevil [[spoiler: for his father's death.]]
305
306[[WMG:Matt's mother will appear in Season 3.]]
307As a nun who found the Daredevil injured and brings him inside to heal him, like in the comics.
308* Confirmed as of January 2018
309[[WMG:Elektra will be[[spoiler: [[CameBackWrong resurrected by the Hand, now completely under their control. ]] ]] ]]
310She will, however break free from it with the help of Matt and co.
311* Confirmed for ''Series/TheDefenders2017''
312[[WMG:The Blacksmith is the MCU version of Luke Cage's enemy Gideon Mace.]]
313* He's former soldier with a missing arm who turns to crime, uses military equipment, and has a literal army made up of fellow veterans.
314
315[[WMG:Whatever the Hand use [[spoiler: to resurrect people from the dead.]] is completely alien.]]
316* It could be something as simple as connected to the Inhumans, something the Kree left behind, or something as wild as another Infinity Gem (which will give them an important role in Defenders or the Daredevil season leading into Infinity War.)
317
318[[WMG:That was a fake weight Wilson Fisk was lifting in the prison]]
319
320There's no way that Fisk could be lifting a 585 pound weight in prison. Unless that bar is made of vibranium, it should be bending. Fisk may be very strong, but for what it's worth, he probably is using fake weights to make people think he is stronger than he really is.
321
322[[WMG:Elements from the more recent Daredevil comics will be adapted in Season 3.]]
323
324There's plenty of post-Miller Daredevil work that has various elements that can be adapted. Here's a few characters for example.
325* Kirsten [=McDuffie=]: An assistant district attorney who served as Matt's love interest during Mark Waid's run, she could potentially appear as one of the few people to help Matt get his law career back on track.
326* Sam Chung aka Blindspot: An illegal Chinese immigrant that Matt takes as his vigilante apprentice in the [[ComicBook/DaredevilCharlesSoule current run]]. With the show (as well as ''Series/IronFist2017'', really the MCU in general) already under scrutiny for its portrayal of Asian characters, Sam could potentially be an AuthorsSavingThrow.
327** Perhaps instead of an illegal immigrant, Sam is a Chinese-American from Chinatown and one of the "Devil-Worshipers" that Brett mentions early on in season 2 - people inspired by Daredevil to go out and fight crime like he does. After seeing his work, Matt takes him in and starts training him which not only alleviates some of the weight on his shoulders but also prove to himself that he's not Stick.
328** Jossed on both, as Sam Chung is instead making his introduction in ''Iron Fist'' season 2. Though he is from Chinatown.
329* Rosalind Sharpe: Foggy's biological mother in the comics. She could be introduced as a new replacement for Landman & Zack in ruthless amoral attorneys.
330[[WMG:Master Izo will appear]]
331He is alluded to in Season 2 when Stick describes the origin of the Chaste. Matt thinks Stick is referring to himself but Stick never says that he is the founder of the Chaste.
332
333[[WMG:Karen will come clean with Matt and Foggy about Wesley's death]]
334
335For all of season 2, Karen never once tells Matt or Foggy about what happened to Wesley, although she often hints at Wesley's death indirectly, picking at the edges like a band-aid she's afraid to rip off. Considering how Karen had promised Matt that she'd be there for him if he ever wanted to admit the truth about what's going on with him, I want to think that the reveal will make her feel more comfortable being open with Matt at the very least about what she did to Wesley.
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337This would be especially important going into ''The Defenders'' and into season 3, since Fisk is scheming his rise back to power and that must be of concern to Karen if he finds out about her.
338
339* Confirmed in Season 3.
340
341[[WMG:Karen will accept and approve of Matt being Daredevil]]
342A few things pointing to this:
3431. Unlike Foggy, Karen has personally seen Matt in action as Daredevil. That's a big difference. Foggy's seen Matt in his uniform, but both times it was after he'd been injured in a fight (after his fight with Nobu and Fisk in season 1, after being attacked by the Punisher in season 2). Because Foggy's never actually seen Matt fighting, his only idea of what Matt does as Daredevil is in the form of soundbites on the evening news. And he has no connection to anything in the other half of Matt's life. He doesn't see Matt out there getting beaten up and chasing down associates of Wilson Fisk, the Kitchen Irish, Hand ninjas, or Dogs of Hell bikers. He only knows that Matt is beating up bad guys, which is what the NYPD is paid to do. Foggy also understandably has a hard time trusting Matt to be speaking the truth after having found that his best friend of five years had been keeping such a big secret from him. With Karen, it's the complete opposite. For her, Matt's actions as Daredevil aren't something that shows up in the trending column on her Facebook page. For her, they're real. She's actually seen him in action. She saw him subdue Wilson Fisk's assassin Rance in season 1, and again from the Hand in season 2. She also personally saw Matt engaging the Hand ninjas who were holding her and the others captive. Plus, she may have suspected that Daredevil is someone she personally knows, given that Matt stopped to check that she was all right when he was freeing the Hand's hostages.
344
3452. My second point is the scene in "Dogs to a Gunfight" when Karen visits Matt at his apartment after the hospital shooting. First, she admits she is barely holding it together and doesn't like being used for target practice. In the same conversation, there's this exchange:
346-->'''Karen Page:''' Sometimes I worry about you a little too much.
347-->'''Matt Murdock:''' I appreciate it. There's no need to worry.
348-->'''Karen Page:''' Yeah, you know that doesn't help, right? You denying that there's anything wrong?
349-->'''Matt Murdock:''' Karen-
350-->'''Karen Page:''' No, how many times can I hear that [[CutHimselfShaving you "fell down the stairs" or you "walked into a door"?]]
351-->'''Matt Murdock:''' Well, you know I'm blind-
352-->'''Karen Page:''' And you know that I'm not an idiot. ''[beat]'' Okay, um, let's say this: '''when or if you ever feel like you can tell me what's going on with you, I promise that I'm here.''' Is that a deal?
353-->'''Matt Murdock:''' That is a deal.
354
355The way that line goes, it means Karen is willing to hear Matt out if he decides to admit what's going on with him. I think Matt took Karen's advice and that line in particular, when admitting his identity to her. And then there's the rest of that conversation: Karen then admits to Matt that she feels the Punisher was inevitable after the public began cheering on Daredevil and her voice seems to break a few times while she's talking. It seems like she didn't want to admit these things while in Foggy's presence. And it seems like Karen's words had a much bigger impact on Matt than had Foggy been the one to explain it.
356
3573. [[BirdsOfAFeather Matt and Karen actually have a lot in common]]. Throughout season 1, they both have borderline obsessive dedication to stopping Wilson Fisk and ending corruption in Hell's Kitchen, Matt using Daredevil, and Karen using the ''Bulletin'' and Ben Urich. This also happens in season 2 when it comes to Matt trying to stop the Hand and Karen trying to find the whole truth about the Punisher. Matt and Karen are both {{determinator}}s who stop at nothing to get justice for innocent people, no matter what other people like Foggy or Urich tell them, no matter how many times they get put in danger, and no matter the personal cost it has on those around them. Matt refuses to let go of his pursuits of Fisk, the Punisher, or the Hand even when this gets him regularly injured, strains his friendship with Foggy, gets Nelson & Murdock shuttered, and gets Elektra killed. Likewise, Karen's refusal to back down on pursuing Fisk ended up with her killing James Wesley (and the resulting trauma) and Urich getting killed. Her insistence on getting to the bottom of the Punisher story led to Castle's not guilty plea and the fiasco of a trial that put the nail in the coffin for Nelson & Murdock, and also put her in the line of fire on numerous occasions.
358
359We see Matt does worry about Karen's safety, but he already has admiration for those hints of that part of Karen that he's seen (like when she breaks into Frank Castle's old house and gets that photo of his family; Foggy disapproves. But once Foggy's out of earshot, Matt tells Karen "I don't think you're wrong about Castle. But it's quite simple, Karen. I don't want you to get hurt."). The more he gets to know about Karen, the more I imagine both those aspects would grow - he was terrified over her getting kidnapped by the Hand (so now he knows how Foggy feels about him every night) but I could so see him falling utterly in love with her for her courage and conviction and heroism. And, too, her recklessness and stubbornness. And I feel like Matt would understand any mistakes she'd made along the way. It may not make things easier, given they already have this rift in morality we sorta saw already, plus the fact that Matt falling in love with Karen wouldn't in any way undo or change everything he burnt down between them by slacking off on Frank Castle's trial. I can definitely imagine the same thing going on from Karen's side, too.
360
361In fact, the show set up pretty clearly that Matt thought Elektra was the only one who could understand him, but that's because he had a limited awareness of what Karen was doing. Karen has a lot of the same characteristics that had drawn Matt to Elektra.
362
3634. Karen's conversation with Frank Castle at the diner in ".380". This bit in particular:
364-->'''Karen Page:''' I might have... feelings for Matt Murdock, but it's just a swirl, it's a lot of things. Like... ingredients. It's not love. He's the kind of man that hurts people. Not like you, but... he damages them. Breaks them.
365-->'''Frank Castle:''' Sorry, is that supposed to mean something?
366-->'''Karen Page:''' So those are the people that you get out of your life.
367-->'''Frank Castle:''' Is that right? Look, I might be generally considered out of my skull, so this might not mean much, but this could be the craziest, most batshit thing I've ever heard in my life. People that can hurt you, the ones that can really hurt you, are the ones that are close enough to do it. People that get inside you and... and... and tear you apart, and make you feel like you're never gonna recover. Shit, I'd... I... I would chop my arm off right here, in this restaurant, just to feel that one more time for my wife. My old lady, she didn't just break my heart. She... she'd rip it out, she'd tear it apart, she'd step on that shit, feed it to a dog. I mean she was ruthless. She brought the pain. But she'll never hurt me again. You see, I'll never feel that. You sit here and you're all confused about this thing, but you have it. You have everything. So, hold on to it. Use two hands and never let go. You got it?
368
369So perhaps it will go down like Castle suggests: Karen will hate Matt more, but love him more at the same time. She'll be upset about all those times he lied to her and Foggy for sure, but probably conclude [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies that he lied for the sake of protecting her from his enemies]]. It helps that Matt saved Karen's life a couple times (from Rance, from the Hand, when Reyes was assassinated, etc.). So I think she'll be more understanding of how distant/aloof/unreliable he was too. And Castle's advice makes more sense if we assume (as theorized elsewhere on this page) that he had figured out that Matt was Daredevil before or during the trial.
370
3715. Deborah Ann Woll has suggested in interviews that Karen is going to accept that Matt is Daredevil in her own way, very different from Foggy's. Most people want to think she'll get all pissy and storm out on Matt, but I see Woll's comments to mean that Karen will accept and approve of Matt's Daredevil schtick, where Foggy disapproved.
372
3736. With Fisk scheming for his impending takeover of organized crime, Karen has to be worried that he'll find out that she killed Wesley. To know that Matt defeated Fisk in a fight might mean she'll trust him to protect her from any threats Fisk tries to send.
374
3757. While I respect those who ship Karen with Frank Castle, I have to remind people that aforementioned diner conversation preceded a nasty attack in which Frank brutally killed two guys, and he'd also used Karen as bait to draw them there. In that scene, Karen was shown first-hand that while Matt may not be a good friend or lover, he is definitely ''not'' a monster like Castle. Frank himself even told her to stop associating with him after executing those two guys. Not even Deborah Ann Woll believes in Karen having romantic feelings for Frank, as she commented on [[http://www.ejscott.com/ej-podcast-100-deborah-ann-woll/ her boyfriend's podcast]] (skip to 35:50). As she views it, Karen sees Frank as the representation of her own sins, and that’s why she’s so keen on helping him. She feels a connection and wants to help him because, in away, she would like to have someone to help her too. Karen is someone who never gives up on the outcast, she’s compassionate. Frank is an outcast, even though he’s done bad things (and she acknowledges that), he’s a victim of an injustice and she can’t stand that. But even though they had some great scenes together, they are anything but romantic. In fact, Frank saw that Karen was in love with Matt too.
376
3778. The entire arc with Karen and Frank Castle was designed to set up Karen as supportive and compassionate towards vigilantes. In fact, I believe the whole setup of that plotline for that was to make us realize how supportive and understanding Karen can be about Matt’s secret. I also think it might encourage her to confide in Matt about her past. Many viewers are so busy hammering Matt for all his screwups and dishonesty in season 2 that they easily forget that Karen hasn’t been telling her side of the story completely either and has been keeping a lot of secrets too. About her past with her brother. About Wesley. So Matt telling her about his huge secret should give her the confidence and trust she needs to confide in him also. Until she does what Matt has done, their dynamic will not fall into its rightful place. Obviously, Karen's going to need some time to process all of this. It’ll be like a new beginning for them because knowing what each of them do/have done now, they’ll both have to reestablish their dynamic.
378
3799. Perhaps Karen considers the phrase "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones," an idiom that means "Do not criticize others if you have similar weaknesses yourself." Karen may be mad that Matt didn't trust her with the secret sooner, but she's not going to judge him for it because she's been keeping big secrets herself, like killing James Wesley, and whatever happened with her brother.
380
381[[WMG:Matt's identity reveal was partially motivated by his protectiveness of Karen]]
382Something that is noticeable on a closer look is that throughout the show, Matt is very protective of Karen.
383* In the first episode of season 1, when Matt offers to let Karen stay at his place, he says “I will keep you safe, Karen.” And he literally saved her from being killed by the knife-wielding assassin Fisk had sent to her apartment.
384* When Wesley visits the firm to hire them for the Healy case, he makes a snide remark about Karen's legal problems ("I'm curious about your clientele. Do they all end up working for you after you get them off for murder or just the pretty ones?"). Karen is visibly angry at Wesley, but Matt's tone changes from polite to one of contained anger, like he wants to haul off on Wesley for insulting his girlfriend.
385* He echoes this in the season 1 finale, when he tells her “I told you I would keep you safe, Karen. When he [Fisk] came after you over Union Allied. That hasn’t changed.” Later in the episode, he tells Karen and Foggy, “See, this, in this office, this is what’s important. Knowing that the people I care about are safe and having some sense of closure for the ones we’ve lost.” It’s interesting to note that season 1 was framed by these same words. Karen proved she was more than able to take care of herself (killing Wesley), but Matt swore to protect her and that’s what he’s been doing, as Matt and as Daredevil. He never forgot what he told her when they first met. He never forgot that night.
386* In "Penny and Dime", when Karen slips out of the office with the Frank Castle files while Matt and Foggy are talking, he gets worried and his first reaction as he heads for the doors is “I have to find her," as he doesn't want Karen to put herself in danger, but Foggy reminds him they have work to do.
387* In "Kinbaku," Matt becomes pretty intense when he learns that Karen put herself at risk when she broke into Frank Castle's house. He’s angry because he’s scared, scared of losing her. She could’ve been hurt after all. After this, Karen apologizes, telling him she went too far, and here’s what Matt answers: “It’s really simple, Karen. I don’t want you to get hurt.” This scene is an interesting parallel to an earlier scene in "Shadows in the Glass" where he scolded Foggy and Karen for getting attacked outside Elena Cardenas's building, because it’s the same configuration with the same characters and, once again, Karen is the bold one. But this time, even though Matt is upset, he admits it’s because he’s afraid something might happen to her. He felt the same as in that previous moment, but it’s even stronger here because now he knows he has deep feelings for her.
388* When they visit Frank Castle at the hospital in "No Regrets," Matt cannot help but try to hold Karen back as she’s crossing the red line to show the picture to Frank.
389* In "Semper Fidelis," when Karen has to go talk to Frank, Matt tells her she doesn’t have to do this alone and even though he’s worried, he knows she can protect herself:
390-->'''Matt Murdock:''' You know you don’t have to do this by yourself.
391-->'''Karen Page:''' It’s okay, Castle doesn’t scare me.
392-->'''Matt Murdock:''' Maybe he should.
393-->'''Karen Page:''' ''[smiles]'' I can take care of myself.
394-->'''Matt Murdock:''' ''[smiles back]'' I know. But I’d be saying it to Foggy or a Navy SEAL. Just watch your back.
395-->'''Karen Page:''' I promise.
396** Karen is so NOT a damsel in distress, and even Matt knows that. He knows how strong she is, but he can’t help but tell her to be careful. Sure, he would’ve said that to anyone, but to me it makes that scene even more important: he does not try to diminish her nor to infantize/patronize her.
397* In "The Man in the Box", at the moment when Reyes is assassinated, things are… complicated. Ever since Karen saw Elektra in Matt’s bed, they do not really get along. But they still care about each other, and when Matt understands they’re going to be shot at, he tackles Karen to the ground, shields her body and holds her as tightly as possible.
398* During the "I'm not yours to protect" conversation in ".380", when Matt runs into Karen outside the precinct. When Matt learns that Karen’s been working at the ''Bulletin'', he wants her to stop so that she can be safe, but she insists “No, Matt, I’m… I’m not yours to protect.” After Karen leaves, the camera lingers on Matt's facial expression. It's one of surprise and then pain. It dawns on him that he’s not as powerful as he thought he was. He may be Daredevil but she doesn’t know, so she doesn’t care: she doesn’t WANT his help, she’d rather be alone, when all he wants to do is protect her because that’s what he does, he protects the ones he loves. Her refusing his help is like her refusing his affection, it means they’re broken, and it’s her reminding him that he’s not almighty. Plus, as Karen doesn't know Matt is Daredevil, she's probably thinking "What exactly do you think you'll be able to do, Matt?" because he's forgetting that lawyer Matt Murdock isn't supposed to be a fighter or someone capable of "protecting" someone.
399* This all reaches its apex in the season 2 finale. Look at the horrified reaction on Matt's face when Brett tells him that the Hand guys that attacked him wanted information on everyone he'd ever saved as Daredevil. The first thing that pops into his mind is, "Shit! They're going after Karen!" So, Matt parkours as fast as he can to Karen's apartment, worried-sick, but he's too late. Notice how he covers his mouth in guilt, and he says: “No, no, no,” which adds to his worry. He's so worried about Karen that he can't even focus, and Elektra has to calm him down.
400-->'''Elektra Natchios:''' You’ll find them. You’ll find her, Matthew.
401** In that line, Elektra knows, that while she may still love Matt, she knows she’s not completely his, that he actually loves Karen, and that she is the reason he is so worried he can’t focus. And when he finally saves the hostages, he can’t help but touch Karen, and make sure ''she’s'' okay. This is a huge moment for him, because in that moment, his two lives, his two worlds collided. He had never let himself cross the line before, when he was Daredevil he was only Daredevil. But on this very night, when Karen was in danger, Matt forgot about this, or maybe he didn’t even care anymore. His cover didn’t count any longer. All that mattered was Karen. He didn’t even try to change his voice, it was low, soft, genuine.
402** Now, there is a big question here: did Karen recognize him? Or at least, did she suspect it was Matt? She must have recognized his lips, his jawline, here she’s clearly staring at it. A mouth she kissed, a jawline she caressed, a face she studied countless times, how could she not at least think: “I’ve seen that face before”? While ''The Defenders'' will have to answer that, the most important thing here is that Matt and Daredevil were truly one thanks to Karen. And let’s not forget the way he lets go of her, his hand slipping down her shoulder as if he wanted to stay this way a bit longer…
403** Here's something interesting: Karen has been protecting Matt a whole lot too, or at least she’s tried, but he never let her in so she couldn’t. Like her meltdown at the office, where it's clear she doesn't want anyone else to get hurt because of her leaking info. Or Karen expressing concern when Matt turns up to the office with bruises from his fights with the Russians (the first time) and Stick (the second time), asking if Matt is all right when Foggy calls after the Nobu altercation, or remarking "He is a blind guy in a war zone" when Matt is too busy getting information out of Vladimir to check in with Karen and Foggy. During the rescue from the Hand, it’s once again ''Karen'' who’s worrying about him, who cares about him, even though she doesn’t know he’s Matt. She tells him to be careful before he goes off to fight the Hand ninjas.
404* Finally, let's consider the last scene in season 2, when Matt privately visits Karen at the office to reveal his secret. He takes out his mask from the bag. Look at the way Karen's facial expression changes. It goes from stupefaction to something else, as if she had guessed before he told her, but couldn’t actually believe it. I think when Matt said "I'm Daredevil," he just put words on what she'd suspected for a long time. Karen is far from stupid, she’s seen Daredevil’s face really closely and stared at it, she knew Matt was hiding something big from her, she knew he got hurt all the time… So when he showed her that mask, she must have thought about all these elements and put two and two together, so here, to me, it’s just her realizing she was right.
405** Why is this last moment so important? It's because so much emphasis has been put on Matt’s will to protect Karen all throughout season 2 for a reason. It led to ''this'' moment. He finally realized that hiding his secret from her didn’t keep her safe. She had been kidnapped because she had been saved by Daredevil, not because she knew anything about him. He knows she’s strong, he knows she can protect herself: she has been protecting herself from ''him'', after all. She rejected him because she was sick of the lies, because she didn’t want to be taken for an idiot, because she didn’t want to suffer because of all the unspoken words between them. Can you imagine how it must have hurt Matt? When the one you’re trying so hard to protect starts to push you away to protect themselves from you? I think that we can also read Karen’s reaction to seeing Elektra in Matt's bed the same way. Thus, Matt revealing his secret identity to Karen is Matt accepting that he has been fooling himself. Of course he wants to protect her, and even though he knows she can take care of herself, he’ll never stop protecting her because he loves her. And the other reason why he hid it from her was because, after Foggy didn't take well to learning Matt's secret, he was scared of letting Karen in. Scared of what she would think, scared of losing her… Scared to be completely honest (things that Karen would understand since she going through many of the same processes, but it's over killing Wesley). I’m sure it’s part of the main themes of season 2, at least when it comes to their relationship. Maybe Matt is ready to let someone protect him, for once… And I totally think Karen is going to take care of him now. One way or another.
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407[[WMG:Elektra partially motivated Matt to tell his secret to Karen]]
408I don’t think Matt would have run off with Elektra had Karen not broken up with him. The part where he is making promises to Elektra felt like a cop out to me, and in fact Elektra instantly recognizes it as that. She knows the reason Matt wants to run away with her is so he doesn’t ever have to let anyone else in. He’s lost everything, his firm, his friends. The only one left is Elektra. In that moment where he says they can just run away, you can feel how much of a lie that is and Elektra sees right through it. She says “You hide from yourself. You don’t let anyone in.” They want to believe he can leave everything for her but the truth is, he can’t. New York City is in Matt’s blood. He can be Daredevil with Elektra but he can be Daredevil ALONE, not Matt. Elektra doesn’t care about his daily normal life as a lawyer. But we know that Matt needs both in his life, to keep himself grounded. And he can never leave the Five Boroughs. That moment was a bunch of wishful thinking and the fact that it was said right before they engaged in a fight with The Hand that would ultimately end fatally for Elektra is very telling. Matt wasn’t thinking in that moment, he was being reckless and impulsive. He wanted a way out and Elektra seemed like his only chance.
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410The fact that he listened to Elektra and finally decided to willingly let Karen in says a lot. He didn’t go back to Karen because she is his second choice of girlfriend as some viewers think. He doesn’t even know if she will take him back, nor do I think he went to the office expecting that. He just wanted to let someone in. He wanted Karen to know because he owed her that much. To keep Karen in his life, he needed her trust and acceptance. Throughout the course of the season, Matt’s relationship with Elektra and her insight into him, and simultaneously Frank Castle’s understanding of Karen and vice-versa was meant to set the foundation to bring Matt and Karen to that mental place of taking a step forward in their relationship.
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412Matt needed a lesson to let people into his life, a lesson about how essential that was to keep him grounded and his darkness at bay. He needed to learn that you can’t save people from themselves, they need to save themselves from it, like Elektra did. Like he needs to do if he wants to keep both parts of his life. And for that he needs to open up to people he trusts. He needs workable anchors, because Elektra, despite being able to understand him, was never going to work. Because of how different they are, how toxic they are for one another. With Elektra, Matt would never have been happy. He would have to leave the city he loves and leave his normal life. With Elektra, he would just be Daredevil and nothing else. With Karen, however, there is a possibility that he can be both Matt Murdock the lawyer AND Daredevil the vigilante.
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414Through Karen opening up to Matt about her opinion of Frank Castle and her support for him, Matt knows she is someone he can count on to not judge him. We constantly see how baffled and curious her answers make him whenever Frank comes up. Matt ''cares'' so much about Karen’s opinion of him it’s astounding. Through her take on Frank, Matt is constantly assessing how Karen might fare if he were to reveal his identity and I feel him starting a relationship with her was because he could see that in the future, this might even work for him. That “He could be any of us” talk with Karen in "Dogs to a Gunfight" had been the turning point for him. So was the talk about Karen’s compassion in "Penny and Dime". Nothing in those moments is without purpose. We see Karen accepted Frank Castle’s motives and supported him (even though she admitted that his methods were wrong), so Daredevil by extension falls into the same category. Through Matt and Karen’s initial dating we see Karen has accepted Matt, wants Matt, but the only thing that came in the way of that relationship was that Matt was holding back from her. Their entire breakup happened because Matt was too busy being Daredevil and couldn’t explain to Karen what was going on. Add Elektra to that and of course something had to give. Matt and Karen are still very much a mystery to one another, but I feel once they take the next step forward in terms of trust and acceptance, they are exactly what they both need.
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416With Claire, Matt could just be Matt, because Claire wanted nothing to do with Daredevil. She was not okay falling in love with someone who was that unpredictable and dangerous. She cut that relationship in its bud, and found something healthier in the form of Luke Cage.
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418With Elektra, I don't deny that she loves Matt, but it's important to note that Matt was a mission for her and she used him. She also loves his darkness, something Matt doesn’t want to unleash, ever. Most importantly, with her, Matt can ONLY be Daredevil, not Matt Murdock, the lawyer who has a normal life and friends and who does things a certain way, the legal way. Elektra doesn’t give a shit about that part of Matt’s life.
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420Which brings me to Karen. She is the only one who has fallen in love with Matt ''and'' who simultaneously has a thing for Daredevil as well. With her past and her understanding of her own self and Frank Castle, she is the only one capable of handling Matt’s truth. And I feel the whole reason her arc with Frank was so important was so it could set the foundation for us to understand how OKAY she can be with Matt as Daredevil and how supportive she can be of him. It really sets her apart as a unique love interest and honestly, Matt’s only hope of balancing both aspects of his life.
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422[[WMG:The boat explosion also motivated Matt to tell Karen about his secret identity]]
423After Frank’s attack in the harbor, and the boat exploded, Karen came with Brett to make sure Frank was OK but everyone wrote him off as dead. Karen asks, shell-shocked, “Frank? Why?” and then we see Matt hiding from Karen and Brett behind some barrels. And then, after a quick return on Karen, the camera focuses on Matt again.
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425It’s a very short scene which goes quick, but from the look on his face, I think Matt felt so many emotions. Notice how, even when the focus is on Matt in the foreground, it’s also on Karen because she remains within the frame, in the background. She’s literally with him.
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427I think Matt feels sad for Karen at the moment, because he knows she’s compassionate and he knows she cares about Frank Castle. He probably could feel her sorrow and it hurt him. Also, I think he felt guilty and blamed himself for her pain because he didn’t manage to save Frank. That’s why he lowers his head in that shot. You usually do that out of guilt, shame or “forced acceptation.” Here, it’s a mix of pretty much all of that, but especially guilt.
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429Another detail that is, in my opinion, pretty telling and important in that scene: Karen’s heartbeat. I don't think Matt chose to hear it or to focus on it. Most of the time, when he does this, it’s for a clear purpose: he's trying to determine whether the person is lying or not. Here, there’s no goal. And it’s not the first time we’re shown a scene in which Matt hears her heartbeat. He never did it on purpose, it’s just natural. It’s like he can’t shut it out, he can’t not hear it.
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431Also, don’t forget that hours earlier, in that same episode, Karen and Matt fought in front of the precinct and she told him she was not his to protect. It was like she broke up with him a second time. I think Matt blamed himself for Frank and what happened between him and Karen. This scene proved he still cared about her, deeply. It shows in the way the scene was filmed and Matt’s position. The one thing he wants to do is break his cover to comfort Karen, but he's unable to.
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433Finally, when you consider this scene, and ultimately him rescuing her and the other Hand hostages, consider this: even when Matt and Karen aren't supposed to be together, they are. Even when he’s Daredevil, Karen is here. So his listening to her heartbeat after the boat blows up, and then rescuing her when the Hand took her captive, was also pretty foreshadowing: it was like Matt was thinking, "If I can’t keep Karen out of my other life, why even try?" In that moment, he decided there was no excuse to keep Karen out of his life, and he needed to let her in on the secret. Elektra telling him about how he shuts people out pushed him further.
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435[[WMG:Fisk and Nobu's attack shaped Matt's "killing is wrong" ideal]]
436I think of the morality lecture Matt gives Karen at his apartment in "Semper Fidelis", when she sounds like she might understand what Frank Castle was doing. I think Matt has a way of, even for him, splitting himself in two. Like, as Matt Murdock the Catholic attorney, that's how he feels. Daredevil is his way of dealing with things when he feels like the system isn't working. So, when he answered that he thought killing was wrong, he wasn't being 100% untruthful, though there was more he could have said to complete the thought. It sounds like he gave his perfect world scenario, not the one where he also feels the need to nudge things back on track as Daredevil.
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438But why wouldn't Matt want to kill to prevent innocent people from getting hurt? Because he feels that it's not his place to kill, and since it's not his, it's not Frank Castle's either. But why would Matt think that? Because the one time Matt went out actively seeking to kill someone - when he went after Wilson Fisk in response to the hit on Elena Cardenas - it turned out to be a trap and he ended up getting stabbed repeatedly by Nobu and beaten up by Fisk. So I think when Matt told Karen that he didn't think killing was right, he was being honest. He even had his glasses off for the whole conversation, and Matt is always honest whenever he's got his glasses off. Besides, what Matt had been focused on was the killing, not vigilantism as a whole, and I think he was upset that Karen thought it was okay to kill. I also think that he was afraid that he'd listen to her and end up taking someone's life as Daredevil that he shouldn't. (Thought I doubt he'd blame her for killing Wesley, since that was a pretty clear-cut case of self-defense. Though, maybe Karen was thinking that she was protecting more than just herself when she shot Wesley, given that he was threatening Matt's, Foggy's, and Ben's lives at the moment. And she probably believed that, like Frank, she was preventing innocent people from needing to be saved in the first place.)
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441[[WMG:Wilson Fisk will get out of jail by rigging his trial]]
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443I don't think Fisk has gone on trial when he shows up in season 2. Season 2 starts just about six months after season 1 ends, so I doubt Fisk could be brought to trial so quickly given that he didn't have Reyes pulling strings (it's not uncommon these days for a trial to not happen until one to two years after the crime).
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445Also, consider his conversations with Donovan in "Seven Minutes in Heaven". The first interaction has Donovan saying "I assure you my firm did everything we could, but the case against you is quite simply bulletproof," which implies that Donovan had failed to find anything to get the charges thrown out before Fisk could be brought to trial. Then there's Fisk's interaction with Matt in "Man in the Box": Fisk recalls the last time they met face to face (when Matt was Matt and not "The Devil of Hell's Kitchen") was when Matt dropped by Vanessa's art gallery in "Speak of the Devil". If he'd gone on trial, he'd have mentioned something different, since the prosecution would likely use all three members of Nelson & Murdock as witnesses, as anything uncovered during the entire Mrs. Cardenas matter would be as usable in a civil suit as it would be in a criminal trial.
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447I got this idea from a fanfic called ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5796685/chapters/13360633 Sins of the Father]]'', an alternate continuity on Matt and Elektra's background, and this story did its own take on Fisk getting out of jail. In this version, Fisk engages in JuryAndWitnessTampering, first by threatening Hoffman into recanting his testimony against Fisk, then has him assassinated by a sniper outside the courthouse. This leads to Hoffman's original statements being voided. Subsequently, when Fisk goes on trial, his legal defense strategy is [[DeceasedFallGuyGambit to blame James Wesley for any criminal allegations against Fisk]] that can't be outright denied, and paint Fisk as a generous, overly trusting boss, whose only crime was wanting to see the best in his employees. The jury buys it. Wesley takes the fall for Fisk in death, and Fisk gets acquitted on everything. The author of the work stated in his notes that while he was worried that [[RealityIsUnrealistic it might look unrealistic]], his version of Fisk's trial is like the OJ Simpson murder trial, or when a jury ruled that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Durst Robert Durst]] dismembered a guy in self-defense. He also felt a jailbreak seemed even less realistic (and frankly, less horrifying) than Fisk playing the justice system like a fiddle.
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449Alternately, if rigging a trial is too much, I imagine that Fisk may have been CrazyPrepared. For instance, Donovan's legal team probably have a defense strategy lined up to discredit Hoffman, which gets Fisk off the hook for the murders of Detective Blake and the other cops. And even with a criminal record, he has the resources on hand to set himself up to be a legitimate businessman.
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451[[WMG:Wilson Fisk gets out of prison as a result of Reyes getting killed]]
452In the wake of DA Reyes' murder and all of her corruption being exposed, it stands to reason that every criminal she put away would have grounds to appeal. This would mean even the most obviously guilty defendants are getting out on technicalities, of which Fisk would certainly fit the bill.
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455[[WMG:''ComicBook/BornAgain'' will be the plotline used for the base of season 3]]
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457It's pretty clear that this plotline is being set up in season 2. The hints are very subtle, but also pretty convincing. The primary warning sign, is the indication that Fisk is starting to take an interest in Matt, when he asks for his files on Matt Murdock to be brought to his cell. He's either figured out Matt's secret identity or is planning to destroy Matt's life.
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459This actually goes hand-in-hand with Brett revealing to Matt that the police have more information on Daredevil than Matt realizes. While it’s the Hand that asks for the data relating to Daredevil, so they could seek out targets to kidnap, the situation is suspicious enough that Matt could imagine Fisk having some kind of involvement in the kidnappings. Perhaps Fisk and the Hand did maintain their alliance in spite of his falling out with Nobu. Even if they haven’t, the fact that detailed information about Daredevil exists, and is something Fisk could conceivably gain access to (along with whatever he already has on Matt) is a big deal.
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461In the “Born Again” comics, Fisk’s first step in dismantling Matt’s life was to destroy him professionally and financially. Throughout season 2, there are lots of small suggestions of Fisk’s presence in Matt’s life. At the start of the season, Nelson & Murdock are hovering on the edge of bankruptcy, in spite of an increase in clients, which is a little suspicious to begin with. Then, around the fifth episode of season 2, their clients disappear altogether. This is implied by the show and the characters' dialogue to be D.A. Reyes’s fault, but this is also the sort of move that has Fisk written all over it.
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463And there's what ''is'' shown - that Fisk used proxies to manipulate Frank Castle into throwing his own trial, and Nelson & Murdock were the ones defending Frank. It's possible that Fisk was killing multiple birds with one stone in doing so, and he's pulled similar gambits in the past that covered multiple goals: the murder of Detective Blake, for instance, was about eliminating a guy who'd become a liability, but also about painting Matt as a CopKiller. We see a similar gambit here: it's confirmed that Fisk wanted Frank in prison so that Frank would kill Dutton and give Fisk control of the prison's underground economy without arousing suspicion. But I imagine Fisk must have also found out through his crooked attorney Donovan that Nelson & Murdock were the ones representing Frank and decided "The Punisher is being defended by the imbeciles who put me in this jail." (we know from Brett in "Regrets Only" that all the other firms had passed on Frank because they didn't want to deal with Reyes; one of those firms had to be Donovan's, and word that Nelson & Murdock had chosen to defend Frank is the sort of thing that had to get around the lawyer world quickly. It's also quite possible that Reyes was in Fisk's pocket, which would possibly explain how Healy's trial in season 1 was able to be fast-tracked).
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465When Matt visits Fisk in jail in "The Man in the Box", we see just how angry Fisk is at having been arrested, and how much he wants revenge. A significant detail here is that he is angry at both Matt '''and''' Foggy, and so he may target Foggy as well– which is a particularly painful prospect, and an intriguing deviation from the comics.
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467Another detail worth noting: in "Penny and Dime," when Matt visits Melvin Potter to get his new suit pieces, Melvin makes a little comment that his old contacts have started to return to him. While it's possible he's talking about contacts coming to seek armor to protect themselves from the Punisher, this may be a hint that he is being targeted by Fisk once more. Especially since Melvin was wearing his Gladiator armor under his shirt at the time. And of course, there is Will Simpson, introduced over in ''Series/JessicaJones2015'', who had a major presence in “Born Again”– though whether he would end up playing the same kind of role if "Born Again" were adapted for the Netflix show is debatable. Also worth noting is that Matt’s current state of unemployment at the end of season 2, and his limited support system, is reminiscent of his situation at the beginning of “Born Again”, and leaves him extra vulnerable to attacks by Fisk.
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469It's unlikely, though, that Karen will be the one to out Matt’s identity like it went in the comics. Given Fisk’s intelligence, his interactions with both Matt and Daredevil, and the fact that he’s been looking into Matt and keeping tabs on him, he will probably figure it out on his own, if he hasn’t already. It seems a bit less likely for Fisk to figure out that Karen killed Wesley, particularly after all this time. Even if he did, and if he also figured out that Karen knows Daredevil’s identity, Karen is not a blackmail-able character. Fisk might try… but most of Karen’s character arc throughout both seasons of ''Daredevil'' have been spent establishing how fearless, stubborn and unyielding she is towards people like Fisk and Reyes who try to bury their secrets. In the comics, Karen sold Matt’s secret identity when she was at her absolute lowest point and had no other choice. She was desperate and sick and starving and dealing with a crippling addiction, and Matt’s secret was the only thing of value she had left. She was not being coerced, no one knew she had this information, she gave it away for the sake of saving her own life. In the MCU, Karen is in a significantly more stable situation. While that could certainly change, it would take a huge shift in her fortunes to make her desperate and frightened enough to allow herself to be blackmailed by Fisk– who was responsible for all of her pain in Season 1, and who she (to put it mildly) ''hates''. Fisk might try to use the threat of going to jail for murder, but that's unlikely as Karen knows two excellent lawyers and two excellent vigilantes. A more likely scenario is that Fisk might try to blackmail Karen with her dark backstory, given that we know how much her past upsets her and that she is desperate to keep it hidden even from her friends. Regardless, it would take something huge to prompt Karen to do anything for Fisk.
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471Given Karen now works at the ''Bulletin'', an adaptation of "Born Again" will more likely have her take on Ben Urich’s role and help to uncover Fisk’s involvement in the destruction of Matt’s life.
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473It's possible that Brett Mahoney will take over the role Nick Manolis played in the original "Born Again" storyline. This would be appropriate since Brett took some level of pride in being one of the honest cops in the 15th Precinct after the mass-arrest of the dirty cops in Fisk's pocket. But then in season 2, Brett starts to dirty his hands a bit, beginning to work with Daredevil. He even lets Daredevil go and takes credit for Frank Castle's arrest. Taking credit for a success that wasn't his, benefiting from his lie. He had let a criminal go, and got a promotion. He had accepted a bribe. I can imagine Brett going on a slippery descent, making him no better than the cops that Fisk owned. Brett's not the squeaky clean cop that Foggy grew up with anymore.
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475[[WMG:''The Defenders'' sets up Born Again]]
476The fallout from ''The Defenders'' has a lot of setup for ''Born Again'' to be the season 3 storyline.
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478First off, ''The Defenders'' ends with the reveal that Matt survived the destruction of The Hand stronghold at Midland Circle, even though his friends and fellow Defenders teammates all think he's dead. Matt Murdock is seen lying in a bed all bandaged up, with a nun holding vigil over him. As Matt begins to stir, the nun says "Get Maggie, he's waking up." This "Maggie" in question is probably Sister Maggie, who actually Matt Murdock's mother. She's well-known in the comic book mythos, and is an iconic part of the "Born Again" storyline and artwork. Maggie is an integral part of "Born Again": after being nearly killed by Fisk, Matt is nursed back to health by Maggie - who reveals herself to be his estranged mother.
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480Then there's the subject of Karen Page. Karen has gotten a much different depiction in the MCU than she did in the comics. In comics, she started out as something of a wholesome (if not generic) love interest - before creators like Frank Miller put her through the ringer. However, Karen Page in the MCU has hinted at already having a dark past when we meet her - and that certainly seems to be the case when she executed James Wesley in season 1. The events of "Born Again" unfold because of Karen Page being on a serious downward spiral of addiction, selling Matt's secret out, and funny enough, her MCU counterpart is poised for a similar arc after the events of The Defenders. On the one hand, Karen is poised to take on the role that Ben Urich played in "Born Again," where Ben becomes a target of Fisk's as he tries to dig into the story. Since in the MCU, Fisk has already killed Ben for these very reasons back in season 1, Ben can't obviously play his part. But Karen could, since she has now taken his place as an investigative reporter, and could serve that role in the story. On the other hand, Karen is currently torn apart from thinking Matt Murdock is dead after ''The Defenders'', and that mourning could lead her to a dark place where drinking and/or drugs make her make a terrible mistake of spilling Daredevil's secret. With the secret of Wesley's death (and other skeletons) still hanging over her as well, Karen is poised to have as tragic an arc in the MCU "Born Again" as she did in the Marvel Comics version.
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482Then there's Matt's visit to Fisk in season 2, during "The Man in the Box". Fisk snaps and violently throttles Matt while telling him in no uncertain terms that, when he gets out, he is going to break both Matt and Foggy for helping put him away.
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484With the time that has passed since ''Daredevil'' season 2 (during which we've seen the takedown of Cottonmouth and Diamondback, the construction of Midland Circle, and the entire events of ''The Defenders'') it would make sense if Fisk gets out of prison at the start of season 3, and immediately gets to work dismantling Matt Murdock's life - only to learn that Matt and Daredevil are one and the same. That would be a great way to adapt Fisk's role in the "Born Again" story for the MCU.
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486Nuke's attack on Hell's Kitchen in "Born Again" could happen. The comics sees Matt finally don his costume again after a spiritual and existential crisis, just in time to battle the supervillain known as Nuke, who was set loose by Fisk, come out to terrorize Hell's Kitchen. Will Simpson becoming an enforcer for Fisk, which is possible if Fisk can be tied to the IGH subplot of ''Jessica Jones''.
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488The events of ''The Defenders'' also give room for Fisk to set up an imposter. A stage of Fisk's plot in the original "Born Again" storyline is to draw Daredevil out by releasing a violent mental patient and dressing him up as Daredevil, to wreak havoc. Matt shows up to battle the impostor and defeats him before the madman can hurt either Foggy or Karen, as Fisk had intended. With the MCU Daredevil believed to be dead after the events of ''The Defenders'', it would be plausible to believe that Fisk, skeptical that Daredevil is really gone, would hire an impostor to discredit Daredevil's legacy, and possibly draw the hero out.
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492[[WMG:When Fisk gets out, Shades will be his NumberTwo]]
493
494Throughout ''Series/LukeCage2016'', Shades shows utter pragmatism, making him the OnlySaneMan compared to the unstable crime bosses he tries to keep in line. Fisk has an inside line into the criminal activity in Harlem, as we see Donovan actively represent Cottonmouth after he's arrested for killing Scarfe, and later shows up while Misty is trying to grill Candice Miller. With Fisk being more ambitious and a bit more sane than Cottonmouth or Diamondback, he'd want a loyal, clear-headed advisor to help him, for which Shades fits the bill.
495* Jossed unless Shades finds a way to get out of prison and Fisk is willing to work with a known snitch.
496
497[[WMG:Frank Castle wasn't working alone on his first spree. He had help]]
498
499Frank Castle rigged a truck to barrel into the yard where the ESU team was waiting, with a dead Dogs of Hell biker in the driver's seat. Part of me thinks that Castle probably had an accomplice set the truck up while he prepared to snipe Grotto from the water tank. Micro could've been working for him, but a such a wet work operation like Operation: Punisher might be too much for him to be involved.
500
501It's possible we'll learn in ''Series/ThePunisher2017'' that Billy Russo had, out of friendship, supplied Frank with the intelligence and weapons he'd need to go after the gangs. Why is this possible? Because there's a big gap between when Frank left the hospital and when he started his war with the gangs responsible for his family's murder. In that time, he probably went to Russo, and Russo offered to provide him with everything he needed. Russo owns a military contractor, Anvil, so he'd be the right person to supply this stuff. It probably took a few months, but once he had everything, Frank returned to New York City and waited patiently for the time to strike.
502
503[[WMG:Karen has ties to organized crime in her past]]
504It's established repeatedly in the show that Karen has a past that she doesn't want anyone to know about, not even her closest friends. She also rarely mentions her family (she only mentions her parents maybe once, in "Speak of the Devil", and before "Penny and Dime," Matt didn't even know she had a brother). She can show a careless disregard for consequences. She also knows how to use a gun. By her own admission she has shot someone else long before she killed James Wesley, and she seems pretty knowledgeable when it comes to narcotics. And especially in the third act of season 2, she handles stress remarkably well for an ordinary civilian. In the span of the last four episodes, she's twice shot at with automatic weapons, she witnesses Frank Castle carry out a particularly gory attack on two of the Blacksmith's men in a diner, witnesses a boat exploding and killing lots of people, witnesses Frank execute the Blacksmith, and gets taken hostage by The Hand, and somehow doesn't develop some sort of post-traumatic stress disorder. There's also the fact that, when they were taking down Wilson Fisk, whatever Ben Urich found about her made her a "non-credible" source, and was serious enough for Mitchell Ellison to feel he had to reassure her that he doesn't care.
505
506It would also explain some of her behaviors in season 2. Foggy is repeatedly shown recoiling from what Frank Castle has done. He makes it clear in words and body language that he doesn’t want to look at pictures of dead bodies any more than he absolutely has to. But Karen? She pours over them, studies them. She spends days and days going through the case files for Frank’s murders. Gruesome, bullet-riddled bodies don’t seem to faze her much anymore.
507
508[[WMG:Elektra will be the Typhoid Mary of the MCU]]
509Similar to how it looks like the MCU Phase 3 is [[spoiler: replacing Thanos's love Death with the Asgardian Goddess of Death]], whatever happens to Elektra in the Black Sky coffin will give her the split-personality, amnesia, and toxic powers associated with Typhoid Mary, conflating the two characters into one. When Mary was introduced in the comics, Wilson Fisk was obsessed with destroying Matt while Matt was in a committed relationship with Karen and had pushed Foggy away until his former partner went to another law firm. This is roughly where the show's storyline is at the end of season two. Fisk uses Mary's duality to try and destroy both Matt and Daredevil at once; if the show does combine the two characters, not only can they do the Typhoid Mary plot without introducing a ''third'' love interest in as many seasons, but it can also unite the Fisk and Elektra stories into one cohesive whole.
510
511Considering how the Hand's resurrection process was revealed to work in ''Iron Fist'', this is even more and more plausible.
512** Jossed. Typhoid Mary is set to appear in ''Series/IronFist2017''.
513
514[[WMG:Brett Mahoney's partner works for the Hand]]
515
516In ''Series/IronFist2017'', it was revealed that The Hand have a presence in companies like Roxxon, Rand, and Midland Circle. And in the 11th episode, Bakuto mentions that the Hand has infiltrated every level of New York City's infrastructure, getting younger members scholarships that get them into corporations, hospitals, even City Hall.
517
518It stands to reason that there must be cops who work for the Hand. This is an interesting theory but I think it explains a lot about the Hand's using Karen and others as hostages.
519
520If the NYPD was compromised by The Hand, it would allow the Hand to manipulate investigations that might cause problems for them, like their attack on the hospital. But to get the police files on those Matt had saved as Daredevil, the Hand has to have some of their agents rough up Brett and threaten his mother's life. Why would they target Brett and not another cop? Because the Hand's spies know about Brett's secret alliance with the Devil of Hell's Kitchen. So they know that attacking him will cause him to make contact with the Devil and pass the message onwards.
521
522It stands to reason that Brett's partner is the most likely candidate for a mole. In a few episodes of season 2, Brett occasionally was shown riding with a partner, a blonde female cop named Thompson. She's with Brett when he arrests Frank Castle at the cemetery and is later shown with him when Matt leads him to one of the Hand's incubation chambers where the Hand have been draining blood, and is later standing with him supervising the carnage after the Blacksmith's boat is blown up. She would know everything needed to sell Brett out to The Hand, and thus, those saved by the Devil of Hell's Kitchen.
523
524Thematically, this would be appropriate considering that, with ''Series/LukeCage2016'' having followed season 2 of ''Daredevil'', it would make Brett a nice parallel to Misty Knight: both of them are honest cops, allied with a Defender (Matt; Luke), who had a partner (Thompson; Scarfe) that turned out to be dirty (loyal to the Hand; on Cottonmouth's payroll).
525
526[[WMG:The Hand are going to bring Ben Urich back to life]]
527Now that Sony is letting Marvel use characters from Spider-Man thanks to their deal, i'm sure the show will find some way to contrive The Hand finding a reason to bring Ben back from the dead so they can fully utilize him as a character.
528* If there's a reason why Ben could be resurrected, they would, but it'd be very unlikely seeing how they'd have to find a way to work him into Karen's plotlines.
529** Ellison is pretty much taking over Ben's role in mentoring Karen in reporting, wouldn't be hard to have him step back and have Ben take over from there.
530
531[[WMG:Elektra had tried to sabotage Matt and Foggy in college]]
532We learn late in season 2 that Elektra was sent by Stick. When she started scoping out Matt and his life to try and bring out Matt's darkness, she must have quickly realized that Foggy was going to be a huge obstacle. I imagine that Elektra may have tried sabotaging their friendship in some form, such as getting Foggy drunk and convincing him to sleep with her so that she could tell Matt, or drugging Foggy to keep him away from Matt at a key moment, or sabotaging things in a way where Foggy looked like a total asshole. Elektra tried to undermine Matt at every possible opportunity in pretty awful ways, until Matt realized what was going on, and finally broke things off when she tried to get him to kill Roscoe Sweeney.
533
534This would certainly explain Foggy's weird reaction to Karen mentioning seeing Elektra in Matt's bed, or his "Awwww hell no" reaction to finding out Elektra was back and that Matt kept it from him.
535
536[[WMG:Fisk didn't just let Frank out because he would thin out the competition]]
537After trying to have him killed after he'd done the job Fisk needed doing, only for Frank to kill all the thugs sent at him Fisk realized it would be a matter of time before Frank killed ''him'' if he didn't get him out of prison ''fast''. The thinning out the competition thing is actually more a side benefit, and letting people make it seem like it was the main motivation helps avoid admitting he's afraid of Frank.
538
539[[/folder]]
540
541[[folder:Post-Defenders / pre-season 3]]
542[[WMG:Karen and Foggy will have a relationship.]]
543The two were flirting quite a bit in the first season and there was a time in the comics when they were together. Now that Matt is believed dead, Karen and Foggy will find solace in each other.
544* Foggy's in a committed relationship with Marci and lost interest in Karen by the end of season 1.
545
546[[WMG:Bullseye will take the place of the "Fake Daredevil" in Season Three]]
547Bullseye has yet to appear but with him teased for so long and Season Three being more or less confirmed to be ''Born Again'' (an arc that featured Fisk dressing a mental patient up in Daredevil's costume at one point), this will be the perfect opportunity to introduce Bullseye and have him wear the suit. In fact, there was a different story in the comics in which Bullseye dressed up as Daredevil and started killing people so it works within the mythos.
548
549* Confirmed outright.
550
551[[WMG:Another MCU hero might show up in season 3.]]
552In the original ''Born Again'' storyline, Captain America had a guest appearance to help Matt out against Nuke. While Captain America obviously exists in the MCU, it doesn't seem likely that Chris Evans will be showing up anytime soon. So, assuming any other heroes show up at all, who would it be?
553* '''Jessica Jones''': If Nuke shows up in season 3, then Jessica might show up too, in order to take him down. After all, Nuke first showed up in her series and she has a personal beef with him.
554** Jossed at least in terms of Nuke's involvement. He is dead as of the second season of ''Series/JessicaJones2015''.
555* '''The Punisher''': Frank and Matt already have a history and Frank could easily fill the role of Cap, being a military man himself.
556* '''Danny Rand''': At the end of The Defenders, Danny seemed driven to take up the mantle of New York vigilante in honor of Matt. If there's an impostor Daredevil running around as there was in the original Born Again storyline, he might show up to take down the villain. Or he might think Matt himself is an impostor.
557* '''Steve Rogers''': In a super surprising move, Chris Evans himself turns up anyway. After the events of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', Steve is no longer Captain America, but he might show up in plain clothes to lend a hand.
558* '''Elektra''': If Matt survived, there's a chance she did as well. With the rumor that Bullseye will show up in season three, we might get to see that famous Elektra/Bullseye rivalry on the small screen.
559* '''Luke Cage''': Foggy is currently Luke's lawyer and a bit of a friend. If he is in trouble, Luke might come to his rescue. Unless his inheriting of Harlem's Paradise has rendered him more likely to be on the side of the criminals.
560
561* Jossed. No other hero shows up and only Elektra (in its first scenes) and Jessica Jones (in a throwaway joke in the last scene) are mentioned the entire season.
562
563[[WMG:Shadowland will be adapted, with Elektra taking Matt's place]]
564With Elektra having killed Alexandra and taken her place as leader of the Hand, and being presumed to have likely survived just like Matt had, it's possible that if Elektra returns, she'll be running the Hand a la Matt from the ''Shadowland'' storyline.
565
566* Jossed, the Hand take no part whatsoever.
567
568[[WMG:Becky Blake will be introduced]]
569As much as the Matt-Foggy-Karen triangle is great, Karen probably won't be willing to leave the ''New York Bulletin'' and return to working as a secretary at Nelson & Murdock, even if things would be much better and happier by virtue of no one keeping secrets. Karen might offer to help out until they can find someone permanent, or maybe even interview potential candidates herself. But her conversation with Matt at the diner in ''The Defenders'' makes clear she’s really been diving into her new job at the ''Bulletin'', so I just can’t see her walking away from the job like that. Unless of course, perhaps Fisk starts wreaking havoc and he does end up going after Matt's friends, so Karen ends up back at Nelson & Murdock by default.
570
571This would be the perfect opportunity to bring in new supporting cast like Becky Blake, who could likely become a third partner at Nelson & Murdock. It's possible that Becky's secretarial career will be skipped over in favor of making her a full-fledged lawyer. Becky would also be beneficial to ''Daredevil'' by giving the show more representation of disabled people beyond Matt's blindness. She wouldn't be a love interest, and was one of the few women who didn't become a love interest for Matt.
572
573* Jossed, never shows up.
574
575[[WMG:Wilson Fisk won't go after Matt first, but after Foggy]]
576With Matt presumed dead, Foggy likely is in a very bad place. Matt was a major part of his life and he likely will go on a big downward spiral. His mental state is also one that makes him very vulnerable to attacks from Fisk.
577
578Matt and Foggy both contributed to Fisk's incarceration, and if Fisk assumes that Matt is dead due to Midland Circle, then Foggy would be his main target. If the aspect of Born Again of Fisk learning Daredevil's identity were to be used, it'd very likely increase Fisk's desire to destroy Foggy in order to get to Matt on a much more intimate and personal level compared to if he attacked Matt directly. Matt has pretty much thrown his own life away, and Foggy's life is way ''too'' perfect right now to last any longer than a season.
579
580* This one is a more complicated answer. He sowed the seed to go after Foggy for a long time prior to even getting out of prison (through putting his family's butchery under a very long game loan trap) but he didn't pull the trigger until after going for Matt (who he went for at the first available opportunity by throwing him under the bus as an accomplice). Confirmed or Jossed depending on your own interpretation.
581
582[[WMG:Karen's past will be explored]]
583And similar to the comics, she used to be a drug addict. Maybe her family is somehow involved and we will see Karen's first kill that she hinted at with Wesley.
584* Alternately, something akin to the Death's Head arc with Karen's father happened.
585* Confirmed.
586
587[[WMG:If Fisk is making a comeback, then it will be revealed to the others that Karen [[spoiler: killed Wesley]] ]]
588At this point, Karen will have to come clean with Matt and Foggy about killing Wesley. She'll almost certainly have to if she wants to restart a relationship with Matt. Part of the reason that she seems anti-Daredevil in ''The Defenders'' is because Matt has come clean about his secrets, but she hasn't reciprocated by telling him her secrets. Karen's secrets are important because it's the thing that's going to make Matt realize she's just like him and that she's speaking not from innocent naiveté or ignorance, but experience and learning from her mistakes. Karen, like Matt, is flawed and imperfect. And yeah, they're going to fight about it like crazy, but I think the conclusion will ultimately both of them understanding that Daredevil and Dark!Karen as a necessary part of their humanity and that one side cannot exist without the other. Matt's problem is that he thinks Karen is pure, innocent and wholesome, when she's wiser and more flawed than even he is.
589
590But of course the real question is, what about Matt's attitude toward killing? In season 1, Matt tells Father Lantom that his soul will be damned if he kills Fisk. In season 2, he tells Karen that Frank is completely wrong for killing, and that only God (or sometimes a jury) has the right to decide who lives and who dies. What will he think of Karen, once he knows?
591
592All that matters is that Matt doesn't condemn Karen for it. If he's unwilling to condemn an unrepentant assassin like Elektra, he’d better be able to accept the fact that Karen killed once to protect herself and everyone she loves, and has carried a load of guilt for it ever since.[[note]]Elektra is unrepentant because she never really got on board with the idea that killing is bad. Her attempts at being good in season 2, they weren't out of a desire to be a good person, but out of [[WellDoneSonGuy a combination of wanting Matt’s approval, rebelling against Stick, and not wanting to be forced into a destiny she never asked for.]][[/note]]
593
594Then there’s Matt’s own actions. Sure, Matt hasn’t deliberately killed anyone. But he wanted to kill Fisk, and was willing to consider killing the Blacksmith, which a good Catholic boy ought to see as already sinning in his heart. Nobu ended up dead after their season 1 fight and their season 2 fight (Matt throwing him off the roof, specifically; not Stick finishing him off), even if that wasn’t Matt’s intent. He’s also inflicted injuries on lots of people that, realistically, should kill them, even if the show doesn’t show them dying. It would take a large dose of hypocrisy for him to condemn Karen, because his own hands are not as clean as he likes to claim.
595
596If the writers allow Matt to have any kind of self-awareness at all, he should accept the truth, and accept that Karen has a darker side, just like he does.
597* Confirmed, she does spill the beans on killing Wesley to Foggy, Matt and Fisk.
598
599[[WMG:Karen will book-end season 3]]
600Fisk already is putting the pieces together on his own and will go ahead to destroy the lives of the people who comprised Nelson & Murdock. With Karen now in Ben Urich's position, she will be the one to unravel the conspiracy, since she has a knack for these things.
601
602In season 1, Karen uncovered and took down Fisk with the help of Nelson & Murdock. In season 3, Karen will take down Fisk ''to help'' Nelson & Murdock.
603
604[[WMG:Elektra won't be in season 3]]
605As much as Elektra is well-praised by the audience, it's likely that she won't be part of season 3. It would be too repetitive if she keeps dying and then showing up alive anyway. The writers will have to let her fate in ''The Defenders'' feel final for a while if they intend to being her back, so that it has impact when she actually does return.
606
607Furthermore, in an Entertainment Weekly interview, Marco Ramirez said that the ending to ''The Defenders'' turned out the way it did for Matt because he had to come to terms with Elektra being beyond help. Now Matt can rebuild his friendships with Foggy and Karen now that Elektra is out of the way. She may return but as a villain rather than the "potential ally" role she's been playing.
608* Confirmed, she's nowhere to be found.
609
610[[WMG:Fisk's plan will be similar to ''Born Again'', but will be done differently due to the state the show is in]]
611Here are the changes I expect to be made:
612* Instead of Karen selling Matt's secret to get money for heroin, Fisk will discover it on his own by putting the pieces together himself.
613* Because it's believed that Matt is dead, Fisk won't have to frame him for a crime. Instead, he'll pay off a cop to give a false testimony implicating Foggy in a crime.
614* This draws out Matt, who returns to help Foggy avoid getting sent to jail. Fisk allows this to work, but then has Matt's apartment firebombed while Matt and Foggy are there. Matt's Daredevil suit is destroyed while he saves Foggy, who is terribly injured.
615* Matt refuses to contact either Foggy or Karen again out of fear of their safety and willingly becomes a homeless street wanderer to make sure Fisk can't hurt anyone else, driving away anyone who tries to help him (like his mother and the other nuns).
616* Fisk sends an assassin after the homeless Matt, but his mother finds and brings him back to the nunnery. Instead of trying to drown him in a car, the assassin simply chases Matt and stabs and/or shoots him somewhere near the church.
617* Karen [[CompositeCharacter takes Ben Urich's role]] from the original ''Born Again'' storyline. Her story is the most changed, with her doing sexual favors for a guy named Paulo Scorsese being abandoned and replaced with watching after Foggy in the hospital, who is still being targeted by Fisk for death. This is where she meets a nurse named Lois, based off the character from the storyline.
618* Will Simpson is made the one sent after Foggy. Simpson kills Lois, since she's more of a MythologyGag then an actual character.
619** Jossed, since Simpson died in ''Jessica Jones'' season 2.
620* [[AdaptedOut No Captain America.]]
621
622[[WMG:Matt and Karen will reconcile on more honest terms]]
623It stands to reason that by the end of season 3, Karen and Matt will be back together, given the season will take heavy inspiration from the Karedevil-centric "Born Again". Of course we can’t take that for granted because, as Charlie Cox once said, there’d be no surprise in watching something we fully know the outcome of.
624
625In terms of Matt and Karen figuring things out, they'll most likely have to start over. They have feelings for each other, but they clearly weren’t enough the first time around, so they'll most likely have to start from scratch. It helps maybe that Matt is almost literally resurrecting from the dead, which could help with that. Plus, Karen has yet to reveal what happened with her and Wesley and even her past involving her brother, so Matt and Karen obviously have a lot of issues to work out. With Fisk getting out of prison and very likely going after both it’s safe to assume Matt and Karen will have to stick together and collaborate a lot. The relationship will finally be one built on honesty: every interaction Matt and Karen have shared so far was based on masks and disguises, lies and omissions, but this time should be different. They’ll arguably be at their most vulnerable and raw and that should pay off.
626
627The most important thing that needs to happen is that communication between them needs to open up a lot. Matt seems to feel that he's got a certain degree of freedom in the way he talks with Elektra and Claire that he doesn’t have with Karen. He’ll tell them about his beliefs/ideas, he’ll be blunt with them, he’ll argue with them. He doesn’t seem to feel like he can do that with Karen. A large part of that is that Karen didn’t know that he was Daredevil, and you can't really discuss your vigilante politics when you’re pretending that you’re not a vigilante. So now that the cat’s out of the bag, I think Matt and Karen will naturally begin to mend some fences and grow closer because he has a little more freedom to talk with her about whatever. But that’s not the whole of the problem with their communication. I also think that Matt kind of sees Karen as…kind of pure, but not exactly. There’s some version of Karen in Matt's head right now that he A. can’t argue with openly (so instead of having an outright discussion of what’s wrong, they dance around each other and end up blowing up) and B. he can’t show her the sides of him that aren’t as clean and good. So that aspect of things would be helped by knowing a little bit more about Karen’s views on things.
628
629But the other big thing in their communication is actually that Karen’s actually quite the hypocrite when it comes to honesty (no hate, I love Karen. She’s just a complex character like the others). As much as Karen gets after Matt for not talking to her, she has kept secrets from Matt the entire time she’s known him. She’s never talked about her brother's death or whatever happened in her past prior to coming to New York; she went to Foggy with her anxiousness about the city and not wanting to go home (the night they ‘drank the eel’) but never said anything about that to Matt; most of her investigating of Fisk with Ben was done behind Matt’s back; she never told anyone about shooting Wesley; of course her association with Frank Castle was kept mostly a secret. Matt wasn't telling Karen anything, but Karen somehow managed to tell Matt less. So first, Karen needs to see that she’s holding a lot back from Matt as well. It’s less about her needing to tell him the specifics of these things and more that she has to be willing to talk to Matt about something in her life. A big factor here, though, is that Matt was keeping secret about something that he ''is'', while Karen's secrets pertained to things that she had done.
630
631The really interesting thing is that that side of Karen, is really what could potentially make her and Matt a great couple one day, even while now it’s contributing to keeping them apart. [[BirdsOfAFeather Because it’s the side of Karen that is a LOT like Matt]]. The side of them that goes to seek justice no matter what, often outside the law, often in ways that others don’t agree with. It’s the side that keeps secrets, sometimes because of good intentions, sometimes because they think others will try to stop them, sometimes because that’s just what they do. AND there are a lot of parallels between how Matt relates to Elektra and how Karen relates to Frank. For Matt and Karen respectively, Elektra and Frank are the person they understand a little too well. Who they see the best in while others don’t. For Frank and Elektra respectively they are the one person in the world who brings out the softer side. And those relationships sprang up at roughly the same time. Matt and Karen are even really playing the same role to each other in this– the more moral, safer option, whose darker side the other doesn’t realize (in season 2) while they’re also each being drawn toward someone else who’s super violent but with a heart of… maybe not gold, but like bronze or something.
632
633So in essence, everything that Matt was doing that drove him and Karen apart, Karen was doing to some degree as well. If Karen and Matt are really able to open up with each other (and again, the pressure is on BOTH of them), they’ll be able to unlock this whole other side to their relationship that would really deepen what they have. How that openness will come about, I’m not sure. Will it naturally come with time now that Karen knows he’s Daredevil? Will there be a sense of mortality that pushes them together with Fisk getting out of jail? Will some secret of Karen’s have to come out (perhaps painfully) before the dam bursts?
634
635Another big factor will be Matt’s feelings for Elektra. But also Karen’s feelings for Frank. In season 2 they both effectively chose the other person, even without actually ending up with that person. So a lot depends on where they stand in regards to those people. Because if Karen still has an unspoken thing for Frank that she’s harboring, that’s gonna get in the way of her and Matt. If Matt is still gung-ho to live or die with Elektra, that’s really gonna get in the way; this also really depends on whether or not Elektra is dead, which is a big question hanging in the air. Those things have to be addressed before Matt and Karen can move forward with anything romantic.
636* Confirmed if nothing else on a platonic level as all secrets were laid bare.
637
638[[WMG:Wilson Bethel's character is Leland Drummond or some variant thereof]]
639Interviews have strongly suggested that season 3 will take some elements from ''The Murdock Papers'' arc, and Leland Drummond was the FBI agent who got involved in Fisk's ploy to sell non-existent papers with info on Matt-as-Daredevil as part of a plea deal. Furthermore, Bethel is being marketed as a series regular.
640
641[[WMG:Matt will get a new costume from Melvin]]
642Matt probably either lost his costume or had it completely destroyed in the events immediately following the destruction of Midland Circle. At least, there was no sign of it anywhere in the last shot of him in ''The Defenders'', recovering in the convent, and even if it was salvaged, it's probably not wearable anymore without a visit to Melvin. Matt also received costume upgrades over the course of Seasons 1 and 2, so it would make sense for him to get another one.
643
644Maybe Melvin will also make the suit a bit more red. ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' and the ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}'' movie have demonstrated that a bright red superhero suit CAN look good in live action. While Matt will probably not go for candy-apple red, it will probably more like a slightly less maroon version of the season 2 suit. Perhaps we will also see Matt finally get the interlocking D's, which might encourage people to actually call him Daredevil instead of The Devil of Hell's Kitchen.
645* Jossed, the only attempt to give Matt a new suit was just a ploy by Fisk that Matt saw through. He stays with his Season 1 outfit the entire way through.
646
647[[WMG:Karen will be the first to learn Matt is alive. Matt will not tell Foggy until much later on]]
648Matt will first reach out to Karen while letting Foggy continue to think he's dead (sorta like how in ''The Punisher'', Frank only stayed in touch with Curtis Hoyle after faking his death, and let Billy Russo think he was dead), and only come out to Foggy once Fisk starts going after him. When Fisk threatened Matt in prison, he only mentioned Foggy’s name and said nothing about Karen, which might lead Matt to think Karen’s at less risk of retaliation from Fisk than Foggy since Matt doesn’t yet know about what Karen did to Wesley (then again, neither does Fisk know the truth about Wesley, unless something’s come up).
649
650Even though Matt had been retired for months between the events of season 2 and ''The Defenders'', he still has perspective on Fisk’s intelligence, if not his actual power at the moment. He might assume that Karen is also in danger, despite her not being mentioned. But at the same time, Karen is probably the person best-equipped to handle that news and keep that secret for him, so he might tell her anyway. (If this were the comics, he’d probably tell Ben Urich, but he's dead in the show and Karen is in Ben's role now.)
651
652There's also the possibility that Karen will be investigating at the beginning of the season and figure out Matt is alive on her own. Maybe she'll find out something on Matt's mother while trying to find if Matt has any immediate relatives in the city. She is very inquisitive, and when she was last seen in ''The Defenders'', she was still trying to keep hope alive that Matt would return. And the image of Matt swooping in out of nowhere to protect Foggy is too tempting.
653* Jossed, he actually tells Foggy first and Foggy spills the beans to Karen almost immediately.
654
655[[WMG:Frank won't be making any appearances in season 3]]
656While ''Daredevil'' season 2 served as a fantastic springboard for introducing Frank into the MCU, it’s not really where he belongs in a recurring capacity. Sure, he’s a recurring Daredevil character in the comics, but he’s also not in ''every'' Daredevil comic. It’s a matter of scale. Season 2 explored the nature of heroism in relation to killing, contrasting Matt with both Frank on a broad scale, and Elektra on a more personal scale. Season 3 will most likely will focus on the intimate dangers of Matt operating as a superhero, specifically dealing with secret identity issues. This isn’t a topic for which Frank would work out, and while he and Matt DO have a relationship that begs further development, Frank's own show very blatantly separated itself from the rest of the Netflix shows, suggesting that at least for now, Frank will continue to exist within his own sphere. The big wildcard is Karen, who now has a close friendship with Frank. That could pull Frank back into ''Daredevil'', but it's unlikely.
657* Confirmed
658
659[[WMG:How Matt will reveal himself to Karen and Foggy]]
660Karen will probably find out early on. Hopefully, Matt will tell her voluntarily, and if he chooses to keep his 'alive' status secret from Karen and Foggy, then there had better be a pretty goddamned compelling reason, because it’s cruel to leave them wallowing in their grief any longer than necessary. But if there’s anything to take away from previous seasons, it’s that Matt Murdock and the average joe have very different opinions about what constitutes a compelling reason to lie to your loved ones.
661
662Of course, Fisk will be that reason. Fisk is going to be tearing up the place, and Matt has a better chance of defeating him if Fisk thinks he’s dead. He may choose to lie low, once he knows Fisk is taking action, and keep the fact that he’s alive secret from Karen and Foggy in service of the larger goal. If they believe Matt’s dead, then Fisk is more likely to believe it. On the other hand, though, the more danger they’re in, the more Matt will want to protect them. Which will make it harder to hide from them. And Karen and Foggy will be in danger. Fisk might not remember Karen from the Union Allied matter since Wesley is dead, but she’s surely going to oppose him and work against him in season 3, and that will draw his attention eventually.
663
664But presumably Fisk’s activities will take some time to really get going. Unless Matt spends the first few episodes unconscious, he should be capable of at least getting in touch with Karen and Foggy, before Fisk gives him a reason not to. Unless Fisk is already making his move by the time Matt is recovered, he really should tell them he’s alive early in the season.
665
666But if that doesn’t happen, hopefully Karen finds out some other way, the sooner the better. It makes sense that she would be more likely than Foggy to find it out accidentally, given her profession, and how inquisitive, tenacious, and reckless she is. And it would be a refreshing change of pace for Karen to be the one who's in on Matt’s secrets, instead of Foggy, for a change. She’s been left out of the loop way too often, so it’s her turn to be the one who knows. She might go along with Matt's request that she not tell Foggy, if Matt could convince her that it would help them against Fisk. But she knows all too well from these first two standalone seasons and ''The Defenders'' what it’s like to be the one kept in the dark, so she probably wouldn't be happy about it.
667
668Once she knows, we will see Matt and Karen working together to bring Fisk down. Karen will definitely be working against Fisk, with or without Matt. (Foggy will want to stop him, too, but he might not be able to do much, depending on what Fisk does to him.) The first time they went up against Fisk, it was Matt and Karen working separately on the same case, with neither one knowing what the other is doing; this time around, it will be Matt and Karen actively collaborating, sharing information, joining forces to defeat Fisk. Honestly, if Matt has any sense, he should tell her that he’s alive for that very purpose, because he should recognize that they have a better chance if they work together.
669
670And then working together would mean spending time together, and hopefully getting to know each other in a whole new way. Matt usually hasn’t been around for Karen’s most badass moments (Wesley's death, the whole bomb hostage situation in the hotel), and he needs to know that side of her. And Karen has seen Daredevil in action, but she and Matt haven't spoken to each other enough to talk about it since she found out the secret. Karen needs to also have a chance to get used to seeing that side of Matt now that she knows. This would be a really good, convincing way for them to rebuild their relationship.
671
672As for Foggy, he’s probably going to be too busy dealing with his imploding life to help much. Fisk is likely going to get him fired from Hogarth Chao & Benowitz at the minimum, and probably worse. Because when Wilson Fisk threatens to destroy someone, he means it, and he'll be taking you down with everything he has. In the long-term, that could open the door to Nelson & Murdock reopening, but in the short term, poor Foggy will be in for a rough season.
673
674[[WMG:Matt and Karen's relationship mending]]
675It stands that Matt and Karen’s relationship will in a prominent position in season 3. Matt and Karen working together as Daredevil and reporter is the only thing that can happen. Ben Urich worked with Daredevil in the comics, but since Ben was killed off in season 1, it only makes sense for Karen to do the same, now that she has Ben’s job. It would be so great to see Karen and Matt develop a working relationship of mutual trust and respect, while also coming back together as a couple and finally getting to be happy together. It will more likely than not, have a slow burn for the romance angle. They need to talk, for one thing. And if Matt’s playing dead, then they can’t be seen together, and they may not have a lot of time for working out their personal issues. But as long as their problems are at least acknowledged, and not swept under the rug, and if it’s made clear as time goes on that they both want to be together, then great. Half a season of longing looks, and lingering touches, and hopefully some secret, desperate kisses, before they actually get things resolved so they can finally bang. And then an amazing sex scene, because they have made us wait so long that the payoff had better be worth it.
676
677[[WMG:Season 3 will address where Foggy and Marci ended up after Hogarth split from Chao and Benowitz]]
678Since Hogarth was the one who brought Foggy on at HC&B, and he and Marci both answer to Hogarth, they probably are the "& Associates" in Jeryn Hogarth & Associates.
679
680[[WMG:Nuke's role in the Born Again-inspired storyline will be given to another villain]]
681Possible candidates:
682* Bullseye
683* Death-Stalker
684* Indestructible Man
685* Crusher (Not Crusher Hogan, but the villain)
686* Stunt-Master
687* Fancy Dan
688* Zhou Cheng, who will be carried over from ''Iron Fist'' and have a bigger role to capitalize on him being an EnsembleDarkhorse.
689
690[[WMG:Fisk and Vanessa will tie the knot in season 3]]
691A wedding would make a lot of sense– especially since weddings in superhero stories are almost always chaos magnets, and we’re anticipating maximum chaos in season 3. It would also fit within what we expect Vanessa’s next story arc might accomplish: cementing her place within Fisk’s world, whatever that world ends up looking like when he gets out of prison.
692
693See, in the comics, Vanessa spent much of her early existence serving as a foil for Fisk– a kind, naive, good person for him to love and protect. For a long time she remained unaware of her husband’s criminal dealings, and supported him in everything he did. However, in later years– most notably, in ''Daredevil'' volume 2– writers started to take her out of this quiet, passive role and to give her more power. This came with a corruption of her established “goodness”, through which she pulled off some twisted schemes of her own, in her husband’s absence. Netflix Vanessa has been set up to follow a similar trajectory– maybe not to the extremes eventually reached by her comics counterpart, but certainly in a way that would give her more agency.
694
695The most interesting arc Vanessa could undergo at this point would be to further solidify her role in Fisk’s criminal dealings. In Season 1 she eventually became aware of his moral iffiness, but nevertheless remained supportive of what he was doing. Thus, with Fisk now having lost much of his power and a lot of his former allies, Vanessa is one of the few who is there to step into a more active position. It’s even possible she has already been helping Fisk from afar, forging necessary connections and setting up his– and her– return. Approaching Vanessa’s story as one of a good person choosing a criminal life (a counterpoint to Mariah Dillard, who slid into criminal activities largely against her will) could be really interesting, particularly if juxtaposed with Matt and Karen and the typical superhero story (as the same thing will be going on in Matt's world, with Karen similarly cementing herself into Matt's Daredevil activities).
696* Confirmed in the last episode.
697
698[[WMG:Nelson & Murdock will reopen, but with Marci Stahl as the third wheel]]
699It was hinted throughout ''The Defenders'' and ''Jessica Jones'' season 2 that Foggy may not have been all that happy with his new job at Jeri Hogarth's law firm. He mentioned when he met up with Matt for drinks at Josie's that he only really seemed happy there because he was working with Marci. And when he met with Karen at the precinct, he told her he was glad for the break from taking depositions, which suggests that he had become less enchanted with big law firm life. Given the condescending way Jeri talked down to Foggy when he tried to offer help in her battle against her partners, acting like he was some sort of annoying nuisance and basically telling him to fuck off, I doubt Foggy would want another minute of that, and the news that Jeri is splitting away from Chao & Benowitz would be a great opportunity to make a break.
700
701Of course, running a law practice on your own is tough, as Foggy had seen at Nelson & Murdock when he was covering for Matt's absences. But with Matt being 'dead' and all, he'd have Marci this time. And it'd be pretty easy for Foggy to persuade her that this would be the right choice. After all, [[LovableAlphaBitch Marci may act 'bitchy', but that's to hide her soft side and the fact she actually has moral standards.]] She turned on her colleagues when Foggy presented her with evidence that Landman & Zack's senior management were working for Wilson Fisk. So it stands to reason that Marci would also want nothing to do with Hogarth, Chao or Benowitz if she and Foggy found out anything about any of those three name partners' illegal activities (what Jeri did in the whole saga with Kilgrave as well as the IGH matter, or Chao and Benowitz's involvement in laundering drug money for cartels kinda like the ones that did business with Fisk).
702
703So in other words, Foggy and Marci will repeat what Matt and Foggy had done in leaving Landman & Zack, and start their own firm of Nelson & Stahl, Attorneys at Law. This would allow them to be brought into season 3 of ''Daredevil'' without having to worry about people asking where Jeri, Cheng or Malcolm are. Plus, it'd give seeds for Nelson & Murdock's inevitable revival once Matt comes back from the dead, and once Matt, Karen, Foggy and Marci have re-defeated Fisk, as Matt could become the third wheel in the new firm. It's certainly been suggested that Marci will have a much larger role in season 3, so this is likely a good outcome for her.
704* Partial Confirm/Partial Joss. They do, at least plan to, reopen Nelson and Murdock with a third wheel but it's Karen and not Marci (as Marci has her own job that she doesn't intend to leave).
705
706[[WMG:Foggy will run against Blake Tower for District Attorney]]
707In the comics, Foggy's tenure as District Attorney was a huge contribution to his character growth, pushing him away from the "Hapless Sidekick" role initially created for him by Stan Lee. It would be a great route to send him down in the show. Such a story arc could give Foggy some much-needed independence from Matt and Karen, and allow for better usage of Blake Tower, who was underused in season 2. Marci could take Debbie Harris' role in this story arc. It would also make Foggy more vulnerable to attacks from Fisk. If Fisk is targeting Foggy, it would give Matt and Karen additional motivation to go after Fisk.
708* Confirmed, though it's only really done to shine a bigger light onto Fisk and to light a fire under Tower's ass.
709
710[[WMG:Bullseye is doing some sort of double life thing]]
711Much like Fisk is a crimelord who pretends to be a legitimate businessman, they'll have Bullseye be an FBI agent by day and a killer by night. Which would be a perfect mirror of Matt's lawyer by day/vigilante by night gig. Fisk might even hire him to dress up as the red Daredevil and discredit him, especially if he's used to eliminate potential witnesses Blake Tower is using in Fisk's trial.
712* Confirmed, though it's FBI Agent by Day, Stalker by Night.
713
714[[WMG:Melvin's mental issues will return]]
715In season 1, Melvin's mental issues were pretty understandable, as he was blackmailed into working for Fisk, and worrying about a girl he cares about getting hurt. Therefore, his speech patterns and mannerisms were much more outwardly nervous than when working with Matt, who isn't hanging anything over his head, is warm and kind to him, and who he has a sense of trust with.
716
717However, given the Gladiator teases the show has given us with the sawblades the first time Matt met Melvin, and the armor Melvin was wearing in season 2 when Matt picked up his new helmet, it does seem that Fisk's release might cause his mental problems to resurface again, just like in the comics, especially if Fisk needs a fake Daredevil costume created, especially after a leaked photo surfaced that appeared to depict Matt hiding from a fake Daredevil in the ''Bulletin'' newsroom.
718
719[[WMG:Marci will learn the truth about Matt being Daredevil prior to the start of the season]]
720We really don’t know how Marci and Matt regard each other. And on the outside, Marci does comes across as a little prickly and insensitive (like her malicious misnaming of Elena as "Mrs. Carnitas"). However considering that she really does love and admire Foggy, and it doesn't seem like Foggy and Karen were talking at all during the events of ''The Punisher'' or ''Luke Cage'' season 2, Marci has probably been his rock during these months that he was grieving. It's really hard to tell what kind of a person Marci Stahl is on the inside since she's barely been explored beyond a surface level.
721
722We know she’s a top notch lawyer. We know she likes to be noticed and complimented. We know she’s very committed to her career. We know she has expensive taste, and that teasing Foggy is her favorite pastime ("Where is your sidekick? Didn't break it off with him already, did you? [to Karen] Fog has commitment issues"). We know she is morally grounded. She wasn’t fond of the idea of putting her career on the line to bring down Fisk, but neither was she okay with Fisk committing dirty dealings, and that side won. And by turning on her partners, she risks her own safety in the future. Which says that Marci can’t be bought…at least not in the way Fisk does business.
723
724Now the fact that Marci agreed to risk her career and help Matt and Foggy expose Fisk demonstrates the level of affection and loyalty she has for Foggy. Another example is that in season 2, she brought Foggy a dressed-up teddy bear when she visited him in the hospital after he got shot.
725
726And if anyone knows Foggy as good as Matt does, it's Marci. Even if Foggy tries his best to hide his grief from her, there's no way she doesn't notice enough signs to put two and two together and deduce something happened to Matt, and ask him about it. We don't know if Foggy and Karen invented any cover stories for Matt's disappearance after Midland Circle. So it's entirely possible that Foggy might tell Marci about Matt’s secret in a moment of vulnerability. Then again, I can't see a reason that he would presume to think Matt's still out there and coming back, so there is no secret to really keep at this point unless he's really holding out some unbelievable hope against hope.
727
728Now Marci used to be one of the sharks when she was at Landman & Zack. If Foggy tells her the truth about Matt, that he's Daredevil, that he got crushed under a building, etc. most likely she’d either be slightly unsure or completely understanding, insisting that she knew the entire time.
729
730And there's certainly enough details that Marci might easily figure out Matt is Daredevil on her own: Daredevil has disappeared for a second time, under a crumbling building, at the same time as Matt Murdock, who the NYPD believe was taken with Luke and Jessica after they busted out of the precinct. Luke and Jessica, who were also involved with the crumbling of that same building. And Foggy was also involved and he and Karen were put up in the 29th Precinct for the duration of whatever the hell was happening.
731
732It's hard to envision what Foggy and Marci's relationship has been like since Matt’s temporary departure. When Foggy appeared in ''Luke Cage'' season 2, he was acting mostly business-like and making no mentions of his personal life when talking to Luke. But I imagine there are so many reasons why Marci would always be there for Foggy when he needed her. And if that means helping to protect Matt's secret, I don’t see why she wouldn’t do it for him.
733* It's never openly Confirmed or Jossed whether Foggy let Marci in on the secret (Matt and Marci never share any screentime in Season 3).
734
735[[WMG:Shot-to-shot moments from the ''Born Again'' comic that they could adapt.]]
736* Matt finding his suit in the ruins of his home, with tears in his eyes.
737* Matt in a fetal position in his bed, representing Jesus.
738* Jossed, neither of those things happen.
739
740[[WMG:Fisk's trial will be rigged to grant him an acquittal]]
741After all, he'd successfully rigged John Healy's trial and had several failsafes to ensure Healy got off. First he intimidated a few of the jurors with blackmail, and when that failed, he pulled strings for Healy to be released without a re-trial.
742
743The same sort of rigging can happen with Fisk's own legal issues, depending on how strong the case against him is. Sure, immediately after Hoffman gave his statement to the police about accepting bribes from Fisk, it was over. However, it was a combination of things that brought down Fisk and a good number of his associates. Hoffman was the one who implicated Fisk in the bombings and the cop killings, as well as named all the corrupt cops on Fisk's payroll, but that's all. Everyone else who got caught was thanks to Marci Stahl turning on her colleagues at Landman & Zack who were working for Fisk (in fact, it was probably Marci's work that is what got Senator Cherryh arrested). It's possible even that Fisk had a contingency plan ready for how to get himself out if he ended up in jail. Then again, he did say in season 2 that he'd spent time reflecting back on his mistakes while being locked up.
744
745After he arranged Dutton's death in season 2, Fisk was pretty much running the jail. Most if not all the guards there were in his pocket. And it was there thatFisk warned Matt that as soon as the timing was right he would be free again and once that happened, that Matt, Karen, Foggy, and everyone they cared about would suffer. My mind keeps racing through the meaning behind his words earlier in that scene about a ‘coming war’. And then there was the way he helped accommodate Vanessa while she went into hiding. He dedicated a large portion of his cash reserves towards a protection fund for Vanessa, something Fisk could never allow anyone to figure out, something that he wouldn't even trust to those who work for him.
746
747Even with Fisk locked up, there are still crooked people in the justice system. District Attorney Reyes was corrupt, and Karen's research into her in season 2 suggests she was crooked even before the whole mess with Frank Castle. And we know that there are still judges who have been bought off by other organizations, like the Stokeses and the Italians.
748
749It's entirely possible that the trial will be rigged to ensure Fisk's freedom. It probably involves his legal team doing something to instill reasonable doubt with the jury about Detective Hoffman's testimony (since only three people were present for that meeting: Hoffman, Fisk, and Wesley, the lattermost of whom is dead). I wouldn’t want to be in Hoffman's shoes right now, nor Matt, Karen, Foggy or Marci's shoes. Fisk wants vengeance, not just for being double crossed or antagonized, but also for Wesley’s murder and Vanessa’s attempted murder. And when he gets out, rest assured there will be blood like he promised.
750
751[[WMG:Matt will get his nose broken.]]
752In the season 3 teaser, we see dried blood coming from both of Matt's nostrils. Upon closer inspection, Matt seems to have a white bandage or gauze under his mask around the nose area. This is because either Bullseye or Fisk broke his nose in battle.
753* Confirmed...though he breaks his nose a fair bit anyway throughout the years.
754
755[[WMG:[[SacrificialLion Father Lantom will be killed by either Bullseye or the Kingpin.]]]]
756So that the stakes can be raised for Matt's most personal battle in season 3.
757* Confirmed, Bullseye kills him as Lantom performs a HeroicSacrifice to save Karen.
758
759[[WMG:Matt will get arrested and have his alter ego exposed.]]
760In the latest teaser, we see a glimpse of Matt in regular clothes being led down a prison corridor and a prisoner reaches out to grab him. Maybe his identity of Daredevil gets released and he is subsequently arrested. The prisoner who grabbed him is probably looking for some payback, as are everyone else in prison. While he is in plain clothes, he could be getting led to a holding cell where he will be given a prison uniform and await trial. In the comics, he goes to prison for a while and faces off against the Kingpin while there.
761* Jossed, though Fisk tried his damndest to make it a reality.
762
763[[WMG:Matt will fight Fisk in prison.]]
764Matt's eventual confrontation with Fisk will be in prison where they will have a cell brawl. No mask. No weapons. Just two men beating the crap out of each other.
765* Jossed, they don't meet face to face again until the finale when Fisk is long out of prison. What we do get is Fisk traveling to the prison in spirit, as he does call Matt before the attack begins to let him know he's about to die.
766
767[[WMG:Karen will NOT die in season 3.]]
768At this point, even a lot of non-comic readers know Karen was killed by Bullseye in the comics since there have been numerous conversations about this all across the net since season 1. People expect it so much, it will turn into a NotHisSled moment. Perhaps Foggy or sister Maggie will die in her place?
769* Confirmed, she lives and Father Lantom dies in her place, literally.
770[[/folder]]
771
772[[folder:Post-Series]]
773[[WMG:Dex died during his experimentation.]]
774As this was the only cliffhanger that was LeftHanging due to the show's cancelling, and in the event that it may remain so, [[KilledOffscreen it's safe to assume that Poindexter ended up dying quick from the skeletal experiments he had went through.]] An AntiClimax, yes, but a clinically accurate one.
775* Jossed. [[spoiler:He'll be reprising his role in the Disney+ revival.]]
776[[/folder]]
777
778[[folder:Confirmed / Resolved]]
779[[WMG:Potential candidates for designing DD's red suit.]]
780* It has just been revealed that Melvin Potter has been cast for the first season. Given that in the comics he is a clothing designer, even infamously being forced to make a DD suit for Kingpin's psycho Mook during Born Again, that makes him an obvious candidate.
781** Confirmed, though Melvin has been given some AdaptationalHeroism in this incarnation.
782* Alternately, who do we know in the MCU who is a superhero fanboy, would potentially be inspired by the Daredevil nickname to make a devil-themed practical suit and has the means to do so, recognizing that someone has to fight for the little man while his organization and the Avengers fight planetary threats? Obviously, Director Coulson, if he ever wants SHIELD to be recognized as a legit organization again, can't officially condone acts commited by the vigilante known as Daredevil. But, sending the suit anonymously, or capturing DD, and then having him "escape", conveniently with a nifty new suit is not out of this realm.
783** Jossed.
784* Claire Temple. It will be a bit more protective than his previous costume, which is great for her because it means she doesn't have to patch him up ''nearly'' as often.
785** Also jossed.
786
787[[WMG:Claire will 'travel' between all the Netflix shows, and become the link between them all]]
788It would explain why a well-known actress like Rosario Dawson only appeared in half the episodes of S1 before being Put on a Bus; when her casting was announced, most fans expected her to be a hero in her own right, or at least a much better-known one. She's pretty much the biggest name in S1 except for Vincent D'Onofrio; but they didn't 'waste' Dawson's rep on a minor character, they're utilising it in order to make Claire the Netflix version of Fury or even Coulson in the MCU. Dawson will appear on and be a draw to all the Netflix shows in turn - Claire being a nurse pretty much gives her a good reason to meet all of them, especially since she's a love interest of Luke Cage in the comics. (this also leads in to the 'Claire will assemble the Defenders' theory above).
789* [[http://marvel.com/news/tv/24596/rosario_dawson_returns_to_hells_kitchen_in_the_netflix_original_series_marvels_daredevil_season_2_more More or less confirmed]] by Marvel themselves, saying Rosario Dawson signed a deal that would allow Claire to show up in ''Series/JessicaJones2015'', ''Luke Cage'', ''Iron Fist'', and ''The Defenders'' as well as the second season of ''Daredevil''. The only show she hasn't appeared in was ''Series/ThePunisher2017''.
790
791[[WMG:Theories on what Black Sky was...]]
792* An Inhuman
793* A boy capable of [[DemonicPossession serving as a host for The Beast.]] Why else would grown men need to keep a boy who hasn't hit puberty corralled in so many chains?
794* [[spoiler: It's ComicBook/{{Elektra}}]].
795
796[[WMG:The Punisher is a red herring and will be stopped in the first three episodes of season 2]]
797He's one guy. A soldier (well, technical term is Marine, but still) with military training. Matt's defeated ninjas, military-trained mercenaries, corrupt ESU teams, you name it. The Punisher is, really, a glorified serial killer. Matt will defeat him in the first three episodes, throw him in jail for murder, and deal with a real threat, like Vanessa's revenge plot and Elektra, for the rest of season 2. Also, Marvel truly enjoys its red herrings lately (hiding HYDRA and most of the third act of films like Captain America 2 and Age of Ultron and Iron Man 3) behind heavily built up plots that are ultimately distractions. The Punisher is a red herring for season2.
798* Frank has beaten Daredevil a few times in the comics, and promotional images show he beats Matt at least once. Who knows what Elektra is up to; she could just be popping in like Stick in Season 1.
799** Confirmed, in a way -- [[spoiler:Frank is imprisoned early into the season, and while he escapes and remains a central character throughout the season, he no longer serves as an antagonist to our heroes after his initial arc.]].
800
801[[WMG:Micro/Microchip will appear, or at least, get referenced]]
802Now that we know Punisher will appear in the show, it's only a matter of time for Micro to officially appear. In addition, there will also reference to [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Skye]] since Micro was one of Skye's Rising Tide contacts. Yes. '''It's all connected'''.
803* Confirmed -- [[spoiler:"Micro" is labeled on a disk Frank kept hidden in his house]].
804
805[[WMG:Season 2 will be an adaptation of ''The Elektra Saga'' and Season 3 will be ''Comicbook/BornAgain'']]
806With all the {{Foreshadowing}} of a war with the Hand, and the reference to Elektra in "Nelson v. Murdock" it makes perfect sense that Season 2 will mainly be an adaptation of Frank Miller's first Daredevil story-arc. It will allow the introduction of not only Elektra and Frank Castle, but also Bullseye, another character WordOfGod has confirmed they want to feature. Wilson Fisk will still play a role, albeit he'll be working largely behind-the-scenes, either from jail or out on bail and keeping a low profile. The main focus will be on Stick, the Hand and Matt and Elektra's tragic love story.
807
808The latter half of Season 2 will feature a sub-plot of Wilson Fisk trying to clear his name and regain his legitimate image. He also seeks vengeance against Nelson and Murdock, as well as Daredevil. Wilson manages to figure out finally that Karen was the second person who visited his mother and deduces correctly that she murdered Wesley. He tracks her down and rather than killing her, threatens to kill her family and/or others close to her (such as Foggy). In order to buy the safety of the threatened parties, Karen gives up Matt's identity as Daredevil. (Or maybe Wilson just gets her drugged and tortured, or maybe arranges for her to have a relapse of the drug-addiction its been hinted she has). By the end of Season 2, Fisk knows Matt is Daredevil and this sets the stage for Season 3...
809* I'd be one to argue that Fisk will probably run the business from behind bars. After all, there've been many real drug kingpins who were still able to run their businesses even when they themselves were incarcerated. Given how the initial ambush and deaths of the cops in the convoy happened live on TV, it might be hard for Fisk to end up with a judge who'd be willing to grant him bail when his arraignment hearing comes up .
810** Confirmed for the most part:
811*** Season Two was partially inspired by Matt's frequent clashes with Punisher while also introducing Elektra and killing her off as a very loose adaptation of Elektra Saga. Also, Fisk reappears during Frank's stint in prison.
812*** Season Three is confirmed to be an adaptation of Born Again by the showrunners and further confirmed in the closing scene of ''The Defenders''.
813[[/folder]]
814
815[[folder:Jossed]]
816[[WMG:Matt and Karen will be broken up prior to the story.]]
817It can be because of her drug addiction.
818* Jossed. They'd never even MET before the first episode.
819
820[[WMG:The series will undergo reshoots so that Urich works at the Daily Bugle.]]
821* Now that Spider-Man is confirmed to be joining the MCU, it makes sense that Marvel might want to establish his universe in their world.
822* Alternatively, they can have Season 2 open up with him being fired for his reports on [[VillainWithGoodPublicity honest businessman Wilson Fisk]], leading to him getting a job for a JK Simmons-played J Jonah Jameson. Leading to...
823** Jossed. Ben Urich works at the New York Bulletin in the show.
824
825[[WMG:There will be an episode told from Urich's POV.]]
826It will focus on Urich discovering Daredevil's identity, and will also have some flashbacks exploring Daredevil's backstory.
827* He'll be looking into the Kingpin's rise to power, which will lead to Matt needing to rescue him.
828** Jossed. [[spoiler:Urich never discovers Daredevil's identity because Fisk kills him before that can happen.]]
829
830[[WMG:Who is Peter Shinkoda's Hachiro?]]
831Since Hachiro doesn't appear to be an actual character from the comic, here's some speculation on who he may be.
832* Hachiro is a fusion of both Bullseye and Lady Bullseye. He's Japanese like Lady Bullseye and shares her backstory, now involving Kingpin and a young boy, albeit condensed in a way that would explain why he would work for him like the original Bullseye.
833* Hachiro is a stand-in for Silver Samurai, given a different name to avoid a lawsuit from FOX.
834* Hachiro is a lawyer who is working against Matt Murdock in a case involving a crook based on one of DD's lesser foes like Wilbur Day (Stiltman) or Melvin Potter (Gladiator). Note that this one can be combined with the first theory, due to Lady Bullseye's cover job in the comics.
835* Hachiro is a "preacher" who recruits people into The Hand, reimagined as a Japanese cult that has recently opened a facility in New York City. He can trick his "converts" into committing heinous acts for the Kingpin, like the Hand also does for Yakuza bosses in Japan.
836* Hachiro is Kingpin's wingman who helps him court Vanessa. He'll be a way to show the audience Fisk's less composed, human side. Will probably end up being killed in the crossfire of Fisk's conflicts with Matt, leading to a more personal reason for the Kingpin to kill the Daredevil.
837* Hachiro is meant to be a replacement for Matsuo Tsuryaba who's over with the X-Men rights at Fox.
838* Hachiro is a criminal, native to New York, who Fisk hires to protect Vanessa from rivals who have learned of his affections for her.
839* Hachiro is a Japanese tourist who suffers personal tragedy in New York because of Daredevil. His quest for revenge will cause him to become Ikari, who will turn up to be his main opponent in the Defenders series.
840** All jossed, he's [[spoiler: a member of The Hand working for Fisk]].
841** More like he's a renamed Kirigi.
842
843[[WMG:Matt and [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Gordon]] will become friends]]
844
845A Inhuman will be found in Hell's Kitchen and he or she will be tangled up in some nastiness. What follows will be a three way between [[LetsYouAndHimFight Gordon, Matt]] and one of Kingpin's minions. By the end of it, Matt will find common ground with Gordon, [[BirdsOfAFeather such as their blindness and extra-ordinary senses]], and become his first friend that is not an Inhuman.
846* Jossed. Gordon [[spoiler:dies in the season 2 finale of Series/AgentsOfSHIELD, and never has a chance to meet Matt]].
847
848[[WMG:Karen is a CompositeCharacter]]
849She is a composite character with Elektra, yet she is trying to hide from her past. It's why she's capable of being so brutal. The reference to Matt having a Greek girlfriend in college is simply a MythologyGag, rather than a foreshadowing to an Elektra appearance.
850* '''Jossed''' -- Elodie Yung is playing Elektra in season two.
851
852[[WMG:Atlas Investments becomes Alias Investigations.]]
853Look at those names. All it would take is some peeling letters and maybe some tape with "igations" written on it in marker.
854* Jossed, at least for ''Jessica Jones'' season 1. It's possible she may move locations after having her office trashed multiple times and finding an expanded clientele.
855
856[[WMG:in season 2, Karen will find out Matt is Daredevil; the twist is she will work it out for herself, rather than being told or by accident.]]
857Karen is smart, (if a bit naïve) and has been at least partially trained in investigation skills by Ben Urich. She also 'met' Matt and 'the man in the black mask' at around the same time, and they both saved her life; she won't be blinded by the 'forest for the trees' meta that Foggy was. With Claire being Put on a Bus, Matt's post-fight recovery will be spent more at the N&M offices or his house, one of which has Karen in near-constant attendance, and the second Karen visits on a fairly regular basis. This could wind up in one of two likely ways a) Karen confronts Matt, (because she can't quite work around the blind thing) and he decides to come clean or b) Matt and Foggy have to tell her due to circumstances, and find out that she already knows, but hasn't said anything because she thought that it was Matt's place to tell her.
858* Jossed -- [[spoiler:Matt tells her himself in the closing moments of season two]].
859
860[[WMG:Matt will fight Ultron's army but we won't get to see it onscreen.]]
861Explicitly mentioning Ultron wouldn't fit with the show's more realistic tone, so it will only be mentioned as a NoodleIncident, much like how the Chitauri invasion is now just "the incident."
862* Perhaps Matt will have the heads of Ultron drones in his apartment as trophies.
863* Presumably Jossed since [[spoiler:the Ultron army is never in New York and Ultron prime (or whatever we're calling him) get out of there pretty quick.]]
864** That's because every time Ultron tried to set up shop in NYC Charlie Cox [[http://i.imgur.com/LCLNdAm.jpg ran him over with a truck.]] yes, that's a panel of what I just described happening.
865
866[[WMG:The Blacksmith is The Mandarin.]]
867 Temujin means blacksmith, and The Mandarin sometimes calls himself Tem, and his son Temujin, both references to him being descended from Genghis Khan.
868 ** Jossed. [[spoiler: The Blacksmith is Colonel Ray Schoonover]].
869
870[[WMG:Karen knew Matt was Daredevil even before he decided to reveal his secret]]
871When Karen says to Matt that she doesn't buy his excuses for his frequent injuries, she also says "I'm not an idiot". So we know she's smart. Assuming Karen's admiration for Daredevil is still there, she probably looked back and noticed that many of the more sensational Daredevil feats coincided with Matt either being absent from work or showing up with some mysterious injury. Example: Matt's rescue of the kid from the Russians coinciding with Matt showing up to work with a bruise over his eye. Or there being a lack of Daredevil sightings at the same time that Matt was laid up from a "car accident" (his and Foggy's excuse for Nobu's injuries).
872
873The Reyes assassination could be another case of Karen getting suspicious. Matt heard the sound of the gun being racked and pushed Karen and Foggy to the ground a split second before the gunmen opened fire. I'm sure once Karen got over the initial shock, she may have unconsciously thought "Matt's blind. How did he know the gunman was there and know exactly when the shooter was about to fire on us?"
874
875Then there's her reaction when Matt rescues her and the other hostages from the Hand. He says "You okay?" and she says "Better, now." In that one scene, Matt puts his concern for Karen’s safety ahead of his secret identity, and he gets close enough to Karen that she either recognizes him (she certainly has to recognize his chin, if not his voice), or she is just massively weirded out by Daredevil caressing her face. See, Karen is smart, observant, and excellent at making logical connections that others don’t notice. The biggest asset Matt has at that point is his blindness, but if Karen recognized him when he rescued her, she may either assume that he isn’t actually blind, or perhaps she finds some other way to rationalize it. She lives in a world that is rapidly filling with superpowered people, after all. It’s not that much of a stretch for Karen to conclude that Matt might be one of Them– particularly after witnessing him react to a cocked gun that no one else can hear.
876
877I get this idea from one fanfic out there, ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/8690215/chapters/19922902 So You Want to Be an Artist]]'', where Karen's first reaction to Matt saying "I'm Daredevil" is a quiet "I know". When Matt presses her to explain, she reveals that she put two and two together after Reyes was killed.
878-->'''Matt Murdock:''' How did you know?
879-->'''Karen Page:''' Well, I didn’t. Not for sure… I mean, I knew but I still wasn’t sure what to believe. ''[Matt furrows his brow]'' Outside the courthouse, after the DA got shot. Do you remember me suggesting you were in a fight club?
880-->'''Matt Murdock:''' ''[nods]'' That was a joke though, right?
881-->'''Karen Page:''' Not a joke, but it wasn’t a serious proposition either. But it got me thinking. You turn up with bruises and cuts that can’t be explained by Matt Murdock’s rather benign lifestyle. You seem to have an uncanny sense of direction and ability to find your way around. And when you think I’m not looking, you tend to act quite differently. You move more smoothly, more confidently than usual. ''[beat]'' Plus you’re a terrible liar. So I looked back at the dates you turned up most injured or didn’t come in at all and compared them to the Daredevil sightings in the news…as well as the times I saw him… er, you-
882-->'''Matt Murdock:''' Hang on, how do you remember the dates I came in injured?
883-->'''Karen Page:''' I always noted it in the diary. You don’t exactly do your best work when you turn up with a bruised head, so I noted it in the diary so that I could do a more thorough check for document errors. ''[Matt blushes, embarrassed to have not realized Karen was so aware of his work patterns, nor that she was cleaning up after his sloppy work]'' Anyway, they mostly corresponded. I still didn’t think it was possible so I started looking into other explanations. But then I was kidnapped and you turned up.
884-->'''Matt Murdock:''' So you ''did'' know it was me… that moment… in the warehouse.
885-->'''Karen Page:''' Of course. Your jawline. Your lips. Your…''confidence''… and your rage. I could see it there that night. And I knew.
886-->'''Matt Murdock:''' But you said you didn’t know for sure.
887-->'''Karen Page:''' The thing is, I don’t know how you do it. I mean you are blind, I know that. But how do you see everything? Knives, stairs, assassins, punches… you see it all. How?
888
889With all this in mind, it makes some sense– if Karen did figure out that Matt is Daredevil on her own– that Karen would decide to wait until he was ready to share that with her, rather than confronting him about it. She didn't seem to know, initially, why Matt asked to meet with her at their old office space ("What am I doing here, Matt?"), but seemed to catch on pretty quickly. And consider the way Karen's facial expression changes when Matt pulls the mask out of the bag. It goes from stupefaction to a look of surprise and shock ''before'' Matt says "I'm Daredevil", as if she had already guessed before he told her, but couldn’t actually believe it. If she didn't know or suspect it, she wouldn't have had that shocked look on her face until after Matt said "I'm Daredevil". The way I read Karen's facial reactions, when Matt said "I'm Daredevil", he was just putting words to what Karen was already suspecting. She is after all, not stupid; she’s seen Daredevil’s face up close and stared at it, she knew Matt was hiding something big from her, she knew he got hurt all the time… And as said before, she seemed to be staring at his chin when he rescued her from the Hand, like she was thinking "I know that face", but she got distracted by the reappearance of Frank Castle gunning down the ninjas, so she didn't have time to think more about it until Matt reached out to her and asked her to meet with him so he could make the reveal himself.
890** Jossed in ''The Defenders''. She didn't know before Matt told her.
891
892[[WMG:Frank Castle was resurrected by The Hand]]
893When Karen tracks down the nurse that tended to Frank Castle, he describes Frank "dying, for like a minute, and then his heart just kickstarted again and just wouldn't stop." He also mentions that people in suits pulled for the DNR forms to be pushed through. At first, it sounds like TheMenInBlack from the government, but the nurse never really confirms that, aside from the mention of ear pieces, which isn't that solid.
894
895Now jump over to ''Series/IronFist2017'' (and the end of season 2 of ''Daredevil'', with the Hand appearing in full force, and being introduced as a primary ''Daredevil'' antagonist). The Hand's resurrection process is explained more fully. Unlike what we saw with Elektra, the process can be administered before death, and causes the subject to become more aggressive, less predictable and more violent. This is the case with Harold Meachum; he was given the 'gift' of being able to return from the dead, courtesy of Madame Gao and The Hand. Madame Gao mentions that it is a gift that has only been given to a precious few. After the resurrection from Ward stabbing him, Harold is a lot more unstable and a lot more violent, killing Kyle when the guy just asks for vanilla ice cream instead of a gourmet flavor, and throwing a glass to the floor when Joy refuses to drink with him, etc.
896
897It gives the impression that Frank Castle had been resurrected by the Hand. Watching him a second time, he comes off as very much like Harold. As an aside, all of his target gangs (cartel, Dogs of Hell, Kitchen Irish) were either enemies of Wilson Fisk or other upstarts looking to take Fisk's place, at a time when the Hand was still trying to do whatever they were trying to do with Madame Gao's super-heroin, and probably didn't want any other competition. From a planning perspective, Frank would have had the dual effect of not forcing the Hand to reveal themselves in force to destroy their enemies, and potentially discrediting Daredevil/masked vigilantism and turning the legal system against him more fully as a general response as well; and all without any hint of their own involvement. Frank would just appear to be carrying out his vendetta. And it explains why he goes after the Blacksmith following his escape: the Blacksmith's crew are rivals of the Hand as well, competing with them in the drug trade. And it explains why the Hand don't start operating out in the open (the hospital attack, kidnapping Karen) until after Frank is initially arrested.
898
899Also worth noting: at Frank's trial, during "Semper Fidelis," Dr. Gregory Tepper says in his Elektra-coerced testimony that he altered the original medical reports about Frank and his family at the threat of unknown persons who threatened Tepper and his own family. That sounds a lot like the Hand's M.O., as there wouldn't possibly be anyone else with an interest like that in Frank and that kind of inclination to violence with the money to have run of a whole hospital wing. (It's also appropriate if this turns out to be the case, since on a thematic level, "Semper Fidelis" also sets up Matt and Elektra's first real confrontation with the Hand.)
900
901A third thing worth noting is that Frank seems to have a superhuman level of endurance for pain and heals faster than the average person. In "Penny and Dime," Finn Cooley drilled through his foot. That's a pretty serious injury, and even though he did spend some time in the hospital after his arrest, Frank didn't even have a cast on that foot during his trial, and not once after that is he shown limping or having any trouble walking.
902
903It reads of the possibility that when the Blacksmith, in his final moments, mentioned that they won't let go of whatever happened in Kandahar, he's talking about Frank having a run-in with the Hand while he fought in the special forces. Meaning Frank, like Harold, has the 'gift' of resurrection. It also explains his "I'm already dead" line to Karen's "You do this, you're dead to me!" right before he kills the Blacksmith: he is already dead because he's died and come back to life many times before. This also would be a nice nod to how in the comics, he made a deal with the devil in Vietnam.
904** Jossed with the release of ''Series/ThePunisher2017'' - Schoonover was talking about Operation Cerberus and all the nasty shit they did, including the murder of Ahmad Zubair and smuggling heroin back to America in dead soldiers' corpses. No sign of the Hand anywhere.
905
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