| 1 | [[WMG: Cobra-Kai is a commentary piece on the further moral decay of humanity since the 80's]] |
| 2 | The original movie was an anti-violence flick turned CashCowFranchise that died with its actors and failed to catch interest to a modern audience. Cobra-kai goes the other way around showing how HumansAreBastards to the point where Johnny's ideals are justified. Not because they are noble and righteous but because the world is so evil and the "hero" Daniel has become little more than another cog in the system. More interested in wealth and power than doing the right thing. That Johnny and Cobra-kai, that violence for violence's sake is just. Because violence for violence's sake is the only thing that the system will understand. Pacifism failed, Daniel struck it rich and became another corporate asshole willing to let some kid get murdered by three thugs. Johnny is no hero, but sadly he is [[ClosestThingWeGot the only one that is willing to fight]]. |
| 3 | * The 80's weren't much more moral than nowadays. There were even more racism, there were bullies at schools, there were wars, and the air was so polluted that it was needed so much eco-awareness in the 90's. If Cobra Kai has a message, it's that hard work may do the job. That a good guy can become a jerkass, and a jerkass still can become a good guy. And while is life, there's hope, and there's a way. |
| 4 | * Plus, saying that Daniel was "willing to let some kid get murdered by three thugs" seems a grossly unfair indictment of Daniel and doesn't make a lot of sense in any context we're shown, since he wasn't around to help Miguel either time and couldn't interfere with the referee's job at the tournament. One good takeaway is that while many things have improved since the 80's, things have regressed in some ways too, and it's foolish to think that older generations have nothing of value to teach just because of the stuff they did get wrong. Johnny's mindset is a little dated, yeah, but only to a point; what he ''is'' right about is that you should stand up for yourself, take control of your life, and not sit on your ass hoping someone else will come along and fix everything for you. His own life starts to change for the better the moment he realizes this and chooses to act on it. |
| 5 | * Or the commentary is about how grudges that aren't let go are passed on to the next generations. With the original film, we see that Johnny was, indeed an asshole and bully who not only pushed Daniel, but refused to leave his ex-girlfriend alone when she told him that she didn't want to talk with him ever again, pretty much molested her in front of Daniel to make him jealous, and twice tried to kill Daniel (once by driving him off the road and the other by chasing him down and nearly beating him to death over a harmless, albeit stupid, prank). At the start Johnny believed his high school life and his time with Cobra-Kai was the greatest moment of his life and looking at it through Rose-Tinted Glasses, believing Daniel to be the villain of the story. Since we got a good view of the story from the first film, we know Daniel believes himself to be the hero (seeing that we followed him for three full films). There are moments where we've seen both of them appear actually kind to each other and even enjoyed having a beer/dinner with one another, only for something to set them both back at being at each other's throats. Cobra-Kai and Miyagi-Do both get resurrected as a result of this unrelenting grudge between them. And as a result, it's passed on to the kids of both dojos. It's no wonder there was a full-on brawl at the end of Season 2, mostly because both Daniel and Johnny can't let go of what they've done to each other and forgive one another for their actions. |
| 6 | [[WMG: Season 2 will involve Johnny training his students for full-on [[UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts MMA fights]], which he is woefully unprepared for.]] |
| 7 | As a result of narrative SerialEscalation from a karate tournament, Johnny and his students will face a new adversary in fights with less rules and harsher consequences for losing. Not to mention, Johnny, who prides himself on being an old school karate black belt, will likely find himself completely out of his element coaching his students for MMA fights, but he’ll feel he needs to in order for Cobra Kai to compete with neighboring schools not helped by [[spoiler:the reappearance of John Kreese, who will view the exposure of getting a Cobra Kai fighter on national television in the UFC (or a lawyer friendly {{Expy}} of the UFC) as the key to realizing his dream of a Cobra Kai franchise]]. |
| 8 | * Except MMA fighters have to be 18. |
| 9 | * In UFC and major promotions, yes. But what about [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooto Shooto]]? |
| 10 | * Jossed. No mention whatsoever of MMA in Season 2. |
| 11 | [[WMG: Kyler will join a dojo.]] |
| 12 | Specifically [[spoiler: [=LaRusso's=]]] dojo. Kyler will join as a way to get back at Miguel, studying karate like he did. Under his Sensei's tutelage though, [[HeelFaceTurn Kyler will become a better person.]] |
| 13 | * Robby's change was less a result of the karate lessons, and more of a result of having someone take an interest in him. Daniel, Johnny, and Miguel may have lacked a father figure, but Robby lacked any adult authority figure whatsoever. His change is therefore believable. I don't think this will work with Kyler, not to mention the fact that the Larussos hate him. In fact, I think if he joins anyone, it will be Kreese. |
| 14 | * Kyler will join the dojo out of spite. Daniel (and Sam) will be unhappy about it, but Robby (and maybe Amanda) will encourage them to give Kyler a shot. Kyler will begin to become a better person over the season, but will throw it all away at a shot for revenge, and become Daniel's greatest failure. |
| 15 | * Kyler is persona non grata at the Larusso household for obvious reasons. There's no way Daniel would ever accept him as a student, especially considering what he did to Sam. I don't see him going to Cobra Kai either since both Johnny and Miguel already whooped him good. If he joins a dojo, it will be a third one we have yet to know about. |
| 16 | * Kyler's attempt to join the dojo will be what finally prompts Sam to tell what he did to her. Daniel will beat the crap of him and Tom Cole will use it against him. |
| 17 | * Seems to be Jossed as of the "2 Dojos One Fight" trailer. Kyler is nowhere to be seen in the group of students at Miyagi-do, although it appears Demetri has joined. |
| 18 | ** Kyler does not appear in Season 2 at all, as it's set outside of school. |
| 19 | * Kyler is confirmed to return for Season 3 - this lends itself to the possibility that he will join (Kreese's) Cobra Kai. |
| 20 | * Kyler is seen in the trailer watching a Cobra Kai practice from behind the members. |
| 21 | * Kyler indeed joins Cobra Kai in Season 3 and remains within it. |
| 22 | [[WMG: Counselor Blatt will finally be fired for being so incompetent in grasping the bullying pandemic]] |
| 23 | Considering the effects of the school brawl in season 3, it wouldn't be a surprise people would finally realize how incompetent Blatt is at her job in season 4. She wouldn't understand why she was fired and someone more capable of preventing things from going worse will replace her. |
| 24 | [[WMG: Sam will become an independent.]] |
| 25 | Will possibly be a secret to everyone. If/When revealed, she say something like 'I'm not fighting for my dad, I'm fighting for myself.' |
| 26 | * Daniel will point out it's no reason not to have him teach her. |
| 27 | * {{Jossed}}: If the trailer is any indication, she's definitely training under Miyagi-Do with Daniel in season 2 at some point. |
| 28 | * Jossed. Sam stays with Miyagi-do.[[spoiler: At least until the end of season , when Miyagi-do closes down its dojo.]] |
| 29 | * As of the end of Season 3 she is still within the dojo [[spoiler: Whether it's Miyagi-Do or a new name for the Merged Dojo however...remains to be seen]] |
| 30 | * As of the season 4 finale, [[spoiler:her father encourages her to do karate her own way, seeing that asking her to do it his way isn't working out for her]]. |
| 31 | [[WMG: Chozen will return for revenge in the next season.]] |
| 32 | Chozen, who Daniel utterly humiliated in the second film, to the point of being disowned by his own ''uncle'' has never forgotten nor forgiven it. He will emerge in the states and form a BigBadDuumvirate with John Kreese to bring [=LaRusso=] down via the resurrected Cobra Kai, causing Daniel and Johnny to [[EnemyMine put aside their differences]] and set things right. |
| 33 | * According to Karate Kid Wikia, Chozen committed ritual suicide off camera following his disgrace. He shouldn't be back. He also has no connection to Cobra Kai so there is no need for him to return. |
| 34 | ** Whatever is or was once written there cannot be taken at face value. He still could have left Okinawa in shame and he might move to California to go after Daniel. |
| 35 | * Jossed. As of the end of season 2, no mention of Chozen. |
| 36 | * [[spoiler:Chozen returns in Season 3 according to the trailer, and there is a promotional image of him holding Daniel for a killing blow the same way Daniel did after their first fight. The context is unknown]]. |
| 37 | * Chozen does return in Season 3. He was called by Kumiko to bury the hatchet with Daniel and despite some cold stares and awkwardness is able to do so. It's also implied that his demeanor at the start of those episodes was him just trolling Daniel. |
| 38 | * Double-jossed. Chozen not only returned in season 3 [[spoiler:he also returns in Season 4, with the promise of a more prominent role in Season 5]]. |
| 39 | [[WMG: Kyler is somehow related to Chosen.]] |
| 40 | Probably not directly like father-son, but possibly a second cousin or through marriage and Chosen will exploit this and Kyler's relationship with Sam to get back at Daniel through her. |
| 41 | * Or Chosen is already doing it and Kyler is only feigning ignorance regarding his roots. |
| 42 | ** Neither Kyler nor Chozen are mentioned in season 2. |
| 43 | * Both Chozen and Kyler are in Season 3 but Chozen outright states he never really left Okinawa after the events of his film so unless Kyler mentions being an orphan it's very unlikely they have any ties. |
| 44 | * Most likely jossed by Season 4, as Kyler's last name is revealed to be Park, indicating that he is of Korean ancestry rather than Japanese. |
| 45 | * This guess just screams RacialFaceBlindness and InterchangeableAsianCultures. |
| 46 | [[WMG: Daniel and Johnny will have to work together in Season 2]] |
| 47 | John Kreese wrests control of Cobra Kai from Johnny, forcing Johnny to ask Daniel for help in getting it back, which they will only be able to do if they win the next All Valley tournament. Since this is what Daniel feared from the start, and Johnny definitely doesn't want Cobra Kai to turn back into what it once was, they must combine their students and co-teach from Daniel's dojo, something that won't be easy given their differing philosophies. |
| 48 | * Furthermore, as Robby stated, each of them has something that can be of value to the other dojo. The offense-oriented Cobra Kai kids will learn the value of a defense, while the defense-oriented Miyagi-do kids will come to understand exactly how and why Cobra Kai was regarded as Johnny's buddies indicated. As the sequels of the Karate Kid franchise showed all too well, pacifism is going to get them only so far. |
| 49 | ** Jossed for Season 2, but both dojos are in a shambles as of the ending. Could still happen. |
| 50 | * Seemingly confirmed in the Season 3 trailer. |
| 51 | * Outright confirmed at the end of Season 3. They merge their dojos. |
| 52 | [[WMG: Creator/ChuckNorris, Creator/JackieChan, Creator/HilarySwank, and [[Film/TheKarateKid2010 Jaden Smith]] will make appearances in future seasons.]] |
| 53 | The former because, hey, it's Creator/ChuckNorris and this is a martial arts series, so why not? The latter because their characters are all part of the series. Furthermore regarding Jaden (and possibly, Jackie), his [[Creator/WillSmith dad]] and uncle are executive producers. |
| 54 | * Also as a publicity stunt for the sequel to the 2010 film. |
| 55 | * And further films of the rebooted franchise, as has been rumoured. |
| 56 | * Chan would count as a CelebrityParadox, since Robby mentions him by name. |
| 57 | * maybe cameos by Creator/EdONeill and Creator/KeanuReeves, both ‘80’s icons and legitimately skilled martial artists |
| 58 | ** Jossed, as of Season 4, at least with Chan and Jaden Smith, as their presence, according to ''Creator/RalphMacchio'', "wouldn't make sense" in the Cobra Kai universe. |
| 59 | [[WMG: Sam and Miguel will fight each other in the next All Valley Tournament.]] |
| 60 | And it could result in Miguel's HeelRealization regardless who wins. |
| 61 | * In interviews, the creators have mentioned there won't be a tournament in Season 2, to avoid repetition. Perhaps for Season 3. |
| 62 | * Season 3 also doesn't have the All Valley but it's implied it will take place in Season 4. However with Sam and Miguel [[spoiler: now residing in the same dojo]] it's incredibly unlikely they would face off anyway. |
| 63 | * Jossed as of Season 4, as there are now enough girls competing for a girls' division in the All Valley Tournament, and boys and girls fight separately. |
| 64 | [[WMG: Daniel and Johnny will join forces to take down Kreese.]] |
| 65 | Johnny would see how far gone some of his students will become under Kreese's influence so that would spawn some kind of alliance between him and Daniel to save the students from John Kreese's corruption. |
| 66 | * This fits Daniel's talk of balance as learned from Mr. Miyagi. Cobra Kai and Miyagi-Do as a sort of YinYangBomb (They're both even represented by black and white) to defeat a greater evil. |
| 67 | * Seemingly confirmed in the Season 3 trailer. |
| 68 | * Outright confirmed at the end of Season 3. [[spoiler: They merge dojos]]. |
| 69 | [[WMG: The inspector mistaking the cobra for a rattlesnake is foreshadowing]] |
| 70 | Johnny's ethos has some merit to it in that some bullies/people in life will only understand force, but at the same time he's also lacking a key component: restraint. Johnny will end up realizing that in S2 and will reform his dojo's ethos to also include trying to warn away antagonists first before resorting to violence rather than just attacking everyone that you meet, changing the mascot of his dojo from a cobra to a rattlesnake, which very famously warns aggressors before attacking. |
| 71 | ** Then he'd realize that "Rattlesnake Kai" sounds really goofy, and change it back. Besides, real cobras ''do'' give a warning before they strike; that's why they rear up and present the "hood" around their head. Ultimately Jossed, though, since Johnny ends up picking the much, ''much'' goofier-sounding "Eagle Fang" as the name for his new dojo in Season 3. |
| 72 | [[WMG: Miguel's biological father will return.]] |
| 73 | At dinner with Johnny, Carmen Diaz mentioned having to get "far away" from Miguel's "very bad" father when she learned the truth about his job. She also mentioned having to move around a lot -- perhaps to avoid being tracked down by her ex? It's almost certain that Miguel's dad is a criminal, black-ops soldier, or something equally unsavory, which seems just the kind of character that [[spoiler:Kreese]] might have crossed paths with at one point or another. |
| 74 | * Or worse, he ''is'' [[spoiler: Kreese]]. |
| 75 | ** Confirmed, sort of. [[spoiler: At the end of Season 4, Miguel decides to travel to Mexico to find him, but Carmen reveals the man knows nothing of Miguel's existence.]] |
| 76 | * [[spoiler:Outright confirmed in Season 5. Miguel finally meets his biological father, Hector, but realizes how much of a shady man he is and leaves him]]. |
| 77 | [[WMG: Miguel Diaz and Robby Keene have a CainAndAbel sort of rivalry]] |
| 78 | Robbie Keene is Johnny Lawrence's biological son while Johnny Lawrence act as a father figure towards Miguel Diaz. Also I do not see any scene where Miguel figure out that Robbie is his Sensei's son this leads to the next WMG |
| 79 | [[WMG: Miguel Diaz will have a OhCrap moment once he realizes that Robbie Keene is his Sensei's son]] |
| 80 | Either it may lead to accusations from Miguel Diaz about going soft from uncharacteristic mercy or something to do with nepotism and mercy |
| 81 | * Miguel will think Robby was trying to steal his mentor/father figure. |
| 82 | ** Miguel does find out Robby is Johnny's son, and believes it's Johnny's motivation for trying to get them to show mercy, but Johnny tells him Robby has nothing to do with Cobra Kai. |
| 83 | ** Confirmed, sort of. Miguel finds a photo of Robby on Johnny's fridge, and assume this is why Johnny was so upset he and Hawk handed Robby his ass in the tournament. Johnny was upset that they were fighting dirty, but they can't really internalize that at that point. |
| 84 | [[WMG: Demetri will eventually train under Daniel.]] |
| 85 | Once he sees how much Miguel and Eli have turned into bullies themselves that's going to cause Demetri to cut himself off from them and probably end up being friends with Robbie and Sam down the road. Which would inspire him to want to train under Daniel at the Miyagi Dojo. |
| 86 | * If that happens, he'll make Daniel a better teacher. Demetri is the kind of kid that needs to know the ''why'' behind a lesson or he'll walk away; there's nothing intrinsic to Miyagi-Do that prevents telling the student why up front. |
| 87 | * Considering how he stated in the SeasonFinale that [[spoiler:he's hanging with the Cobra Kai students for the safety in numbers]], it's unlikely to happen unless [[spoiler:Kreese]] drives him away. |
| 88 | * This seems more likely as of the "Two Dojos, One Fight" trailer for Season 2, where he is seen hanging around with Robby and some of the new Miyagi-Do recruits. |
| 89 | ** Confirmed, as of "Two Dojos, One Fight." There's a "blink and you'll miss it" moment, but Demetri is clearly in one of the shots of the full group during training. We also see that Demetri and Hawk get into a fight, but it's not clear if Demetri trains before or after this moment. |
| 90 | ** Demetri does indeed fully join Miyagi-Do after Kreese punches him in the face, and he does fight Hawk [[spoiler: and wins!]] |
| 91 | [[WMG: Johnny will face the consequences of his alcoholism.]] |
| 92 | Johnny's already explicitly or implicitly driven drunk on three occasions in S1, and although he's still in decent shape, a 50-year-old body can't hold up forever under the constant abuse to which Johnny subjects it. Something -- legal, health, job, or relationship -- will go off the rails, forcing Johnny to confront his drinking problem. |
| 93 | * Watch Cobra Kai get into trouble, one way or the other, for it. |
| 94 | * Confirmed somewhat indirectly in Season 3. Johnny drunkenly gets into a fight in the first episode and gets thrown in prison for it (again). That, alongside his ruined PR from the School Fight and previous incidents, made it so it's impossible for him to get any work in the Valley. |
| 95 | [[WMG: Miguel's Asthma is [[ChekhovsGun Forshadowing]] ]] |
| 96 | Asthma is a real disease and causes real problems when it isn't addressed. Miguel ignoring it will end up hurting his performance but his firm belief in Cobra Kai and Johnny will lead to him covering up how much it effects him. When he fights either Sam or Robby he'll have the advantage due to his skill and ruthlessness up until his asthma (which he's ignored because he isn't a "pussy") kills his stamina and leads to both a defeat and a trip to the emergency room. Seeing this happen will be part of what makes Johnny soften up more and realize that this pansy-ass generation might have some legitimate points. |
| 97 | ** The asthma is Jossed, as it's never mentioned again. It's possible that the effects are lessened as Miguel gets in shape and builds up stamina, or it was only a throwaway joke or his particular case wasn't that severe. However, the troper who guessed defeat and physical injuries would bring Miguel down and cause barriers was somewhat correct. |
| 98 | [[WMG: Anthony will join Cobra Kai.]] |
| 99 | He actually got thrilled watching the All Valley Karate Tournament and was disappointed when he had to leave early with his sister and mother, hinting a keen interest in finally learning martial arts. Through learning karate, he will stop acting like a SpoiledBrat and, having to have seen the consequences of his teachings in the tournament, Johnny will actually teach Daniel's son the importance of discipline and restraint. |
| 100 | * Or, alternately, he'll learn Miyagi-Do karate under his dad's tutelage. Either way, here's hoping they do ''something'' interesting with him in Season 2; it's hard to think that they would create a character who is part of Daniel's direct bloodline, but who remained completely superfluous to the story. |
| 101 | ** This seems more likely. We see that, all his other quirks aside, he thinks the world of his father's martial arts skills ("my dad could beat your dad" is his go to claim) and we've already done the "I'm training my rival's son" angle with Robby. |
| 102 | * An ImportantHaircut may be in the works. He might only consider it {{traumatic|haircut}} in that the alternate route is even more frightening. |
| 103 | * He'll only try Cobra Kai after growing tired of Daniel not explaining the method behind his training. Johnny won't accept him until he explains it so Johnny won't think it's for the same kind of spite that drove Robby into Daniel. |
| 104 | ** Jossed, at least as of Season 2, where he ships off to summer camp. There could be something in store with Anthony in the future, though, as what little we see of him shows that he has lost a substantial amount of weight since Season 1. |
| 105 | ** Jossed once again in Season 3. He shows up in like two scenes (though with the massive weight loss mentioned above, good for the actor!) and is a non-factor. If anything this troper figures that the writers regret creating the character since they do their best to avoid using him at every turn. |
| 106 | * With Miyagi-do and Eagle Fang coming together at the end of Season 3, maybe Anthony will finally take up karate (and finally have plot relevance), but will prefer Johnny as his sensei than his dad. Daniel will be surprisingly okay with this, since Anthony is still getting into karate anyway and [[LaserGuidedKarma since he did teach Johnny's son.]] Also, Johnny may be the more effective sensei for him as his heavy-handed, assertive approach may be better suited to handle Anthony's bratty behavior. |
| 107 | ** As of Season 4, Anthony's [[spoiler: bullying of Kenny and Kenny's subsequent revenge]] seem to hint that Anthony might join Miyagi-Do to defend himself. |
| 108 | ** Outright Jossed in Season 5. He joins Miyagi-Do (combined with Eagle Fang) by Episode 6 after Kenny's bullying becomes a recurring thing. |
| 109 | [[WMG: Yasmine and Demetri will be shipped together in Season 2]] |
| 110 | Demetri had tried to talk to her, but [[AlphaBitch Yasmine]] was very quick to shrug him off. After she gets a [[{{Wedgie}} Melvin]] from Aisha, she's been humiliated, and likely [[BreakTheHaughty humbled]]. She then ends up in a [[HeelFaceTurn relationship with Demetri]] after a [[FallenPrincess great deal of character development]]. |
| 111 | ** Jossed as of Season 2. Yasmine is spending her summer in France. |
| 112 | * However confirmed as of Season 3! How significant their relationship will be is yet to be seen but they are caught making out and Demetri says he's in love (while Yasmine brushes it off because...hey, she has a rep to uphold!) |
| 113 | [[WMG: Johnny will cross paths with Ali again at the funeral of one (or both) of her parents.]] |
| 114 | When Ali returns to Los Angeles to attend her mom and/or dad's funeral, Johnny will also choose to attend, since he knew and liked her parents during his teenage years. Johnny will finally be able to find closure for the loss of his relationship with Ali, and while he and Ali almost certainly won't rekindle that relationship, they might end up keeping in touch after the funeral. |
| 115 | * Johnny will discover Facebook! |
| 116 | * [[spoiler:Confirmed. The Facebook part. He never heard of it before Daniel mentioned Ali's profile.]] |
| 117 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed on both counts, but only in passing. Johnny drunk texts Ali and the last shot is of Johnny's phone with a friend-request from Ali, on Facebook]]. |
| 118 | * Jossed on them meeting at a funeral of any type. Confirmed that they do cross paths again. |
| 119 | [[WMG: Miguel will [[PowerCopying Reverse-engineer]] the Handstand Kick.]] |
| 120 | For all his newfound personal problems Miguel is still a VERY apt martial artist and Johnny inadvertently taught Miguel how upsetting it is for a person when they see their signature weapon being used in a way they don't like. When he and Robbie fight again, or alternately when Robbie sees him fighting again, Miguel will reveal that he can also perform the technique and [[OhCrap give Robbie a bout of fear similar to Daniel's in Karate Kid 3]] now that his [[SoLastSeason trump card has been figured out.]] |
| 121 | [[WMG: Kreese hasn't changed at all. Or has he?]] |
| 122 | * Actor Martin Kove himself isn't yet sure what direction his character will be taken in, but he's been told that some "surprises" are in store. |
| 123 | ** Confirmed, from what we see in the teaser trailers and the "2 Dojos One Fight" trailer. Kreese [[spoiler: starts his reign of terror by throwing Johnny and smashing the dojo's mirror. Then he continues his poisonous and brutal teachings, to the point where Sam complains it's like "a karate cult."]] |
| 124 | ** Also provides a BaitAndSwitch which allows him to manipulate Johnny. He seems quite human for one scene, then doubles down on his villainy. |
| 125 | ** Though talk about his story arc in Season 3 indicates that there's going to be a flashback to his war days, thus offering insight into what shaped his path to villainy. |
| 126 | *** Yep, we do get a bunch of flashbacks to his time in Nam which show the potential reasons he became how he is...and what started his friendship with Terry Silver. |
| 127 | [[WMG: Sid's home health nurse is foreshadowing]] |
| 128 | One of the more subtle themes of the series is apparently {{Forgiveness}}, particularly towards your father (figure). The fact that Sid hires a home health nurse implies that he's quite ill or that he is not in good health, and that it is only a matter of time. Having seen that Robby accepted his apology after the All Valley tournament, and despite knowing he has always been a poor father to him, Johnny will start to reevaluate his relationship with his stepdad, and while Sid is on his deathbed, Johnny will visit him one last time and make peace with him, thanking Sid for everything he's done for him even if it was simply just financial support. Sid himself had a change of heart after Johnny came in that one day to return all the money he had ever provided for him, and with his dying breath, tells Johnny he is proud of him for turning his life around on his own and that he regrets that he never gave Johnny the emotional encouragement or love that a father was suppose to give to their child, blood relation be damned. |
| 129 | ** [[spoiler: Not for Sid, but there is a death in Season 2--Tommy's]]. |
| 130 | ** This could potentially be explored in a future season after his actor's (Ed Asner's) death. |
| 131 | [[WMG: Bert small boy with glasses will change dojo]] |
| 132 | He is visibly hesitant to attack anyone, let alone first, hard or merciless. Cobra Kai is just not for him. |
| 133 | ** Jossed. Not only does he stick with Cobra Kai, he's finally evenly matched with another small, bespectacled Miyagi-do student! |
| 134 | ** However, confirmed in Season 3. Kreese kicks him out for refusing to feed a mouse to a snake, he joins [[spoiler: Johnny's new dojo Eagle Fang which eventually merges with Miyagi-Do]] |
| 135 | |
| 136 | [[WMG: Johnny and Daniel will eventually have a friendly rematch ala ''Film/RockyIII'']] |
| 137 | Season 1 seemed to make it clear that while the two will likely never become best friends, they also have no real reason to hate each other in the present day (with most their problems a result of how PoorCommunicationKills). Eventually both will genuinely resolve their issues and agree to one last match, which like Rocky and Apollo, we never see the end of. |
| 138 | * Just like it was eventually mentioned that Apollo won, Johnny will be revealed to be the winner. |
| 139 | ** We see in "2 Dojos One Fight" that [[spoiler: they do have a re-match, including a shot of Johnny kicking Daniel in the face, but it's not clear why or who wins.]] |
| 140 | ** [[spoiler: The reason is Daniel was pissed that Johnny was sheltering Sam without his knowledge, and no winner as Sam stops the fight before it escalates too far.]] |
| 141 | [[WMG: Sam will fight one of Cobra Kai's top three students [[CurbStompBattle and lose badly]].]] |
| 142 | Reality has a bad habit of ensuing in this series and Sam is very out of practice. While she's maintained a little of her skill the karate she gave up at age 12 can't match Hawk's [[TheBerserker aggression]], Aisha's [[StoutStrength raw power]], or Miguel's [[StrongAndSkilled flawless technique and conditioning]]. She'll head to Cobra Kai and challenge the Dojo with the promise that they leave Robby alone should she win but fail miserably. This will lead to her character arc for Season 2, confronting her lack of dedication both in the martial arts and in her personal relationships. |
| 143 | ** Seems to be confirmed as of the trailer "2 Dojos One Fight." [[spoiler: New character Tory is a champion, and she and Sam seem to have at least two fights, one in a mall and the other at school]]. |
| 144 | ** Just like when [[spoiler:Miguel fought Robby]], he'll let his emotions get the better of him and Sam will have a chance. |
| 145 | ** She does fight Tory, [[spoiler: and she wins, mainly because Tory was too busy going for the pain rather than simply finishing the fight. However, Sam is hospitalized, and it is unclear if she will regain use of one of her arms.]] |
| 146 | *** Confirmed. In Season 4 [[spoiler: Sam fights Tory at the All Valley Tournament. Tory wins, but Silver paid off the ref. It's unclear whether or not Tory would have won without intervention, or what direction the knowledge of this will take her]]. |
| 147 | [[WMG: Just like Hawk, Aisha will [[InsultBackfire flip the script on all the pig jokes]].]] |
| 148 | Now that Aisha's a proud member of a ThugDojo she'll take up the [[FullBoarAction wild boar]] as her own animal theme. She'll reason out that she really is like a pig. That is to say she's strong, fast, smart and capable of causing grievous injury. She'll start looking at her weight as a [[FatAndProud source of pride]] but subvert the usual PC body-positivity connotations of this by deciding that being ugly doesn't matter if she's smart enough to be an honor student and strong enough to beat up anyone that tries to make fun of her for it. |
| 149 | * Although, realistically, she wouldn't remain overweight for very long if she kept up with her training. That kind of physical activity on a regular basis, especially at her age, tends to speed up the metabolism quite a bit. She even appears to have slimmed down a little bit between the beginning and end of Season 1. |
| 150 | * Jossed. She is somewhat slimmer and much more confident, so she doesn't need to make fun of herself. |
| 151 | [[WMG: Kyler's new StoryArc will be about learning about his true origins.]] |
| 152 | The Larussos might hate him, but Kyler didn't refuse the sashimi on purpose. He refused it because he wasn't aware of its cultural origins. If his attempt to reason with Yasmine at the canyon is any sign, there ''is'' a prayer for him. |
| 153 | * Jossed as of season 2. Kyler does not appear. |
| 154 | * Jossed as of Season 3. Kyler does appear and...well he's no more deep as a character than last time other than a throwaway line on the pressure he's facing at home. |
| 155 | [[WMG: Yasmine may show interest in joining a dojo but doesn't do it just yet.]] |
| 156 | Or, at the least, get it through her skull that actions can have painful consequences, and choose not to poke the cobra by doubling down on her bitchiness. But even if she does wise up and back off, what would she do if some of [[HeWhoFightsMonsters her previous targets in Cobra Kai decide she hasn't suffered enough her awful behavior?]] |
| 157 | * If all else fails? Make a DealWithTheDevil (Kreese), thus setting the stage for SerialEscalation and potentially forcing the school board to address the problem that was at the heart of Cobra Kai's reincarnation. The ''painful'' way. |
| 158 | * A three-way feud between Miyagi-Do, the new Cobra Kai, and an even darker, nastier offshoot run by Kreese would be ''awesome''. |
| 159 | ** Kinda-sorta confirmed, for now, in that Daniel and Johnny merge their respective dojos together at the end of Season 3 to take on Kreese's corrupted version of Cobra Kai. |
| 160 | ** It does seem that Kreese will be taking on some students without Johnny present. |
| 161 | * As far as Yasmine is concerned, nothing has been hinted at her taking an interest in martial arts, but that [[StealthPun painful wedge]] of HumblePie she had to eat back in Season 1 led to her [[TookALevelInKindness becoming a little kinder and more empathetic]] towards those she used to pick on. |
| 162 | [[WMG: Kreese is Miguel’s father]] |
| 163 | And Cobra Kai is a front for training and recruiting new members to whatever gang, cartel or other criminal organization he is implied to be involved in. |
| 164 | [[WMG: Having found herself [[ATasteOfTheirOwnMedicine on the other side of her go-to tactic]], Yasmine has an ArmorPiercingQuestion for the faculty.]] |
| 165 | She's not going to go crying to daddy for this one. Rather, she's going to ask the school staff, point blank: "Was I really that much of a troublemaker?" |
| 166 | * One of them will say [[ArmorPiercingResponse "Yes".]] (Which probably ''won't'' surprise her anymore, if the talk between Sam and Aisha about that viral video of the wedgie means anything.) |
| 167 | [[WMG: Whither Terry Silver?]] |
| 168 | Terry Silver will not be appearing in ''Cobra Kai'' as his company, Dynatox Industries, was the target of a massive EPA lawsuit, and his bribing of juries and district attorneys to facilitate his illegal dumping was discovered, so he's now doing time in a federal penitentiary. |
| 169 | * While he's serving time, he's being embezzled of whatever money wasn't seized by the Government. |
| 170 | ** Potentially Jossed. Silver is shown and mentioned multiple times in flashback and Kreese seems to be making a call to him at the end of Season 3. |
| 171 | ** Outright {{Jossed}}. Terry Silver is confirmed to return to Season 4, with Thomas Ian Griffith reprising his role. |
| 172 | [[WMG: Daniel was indirectly responsible for Eli/Hawk being able to buy alcohol.]] |
| 173 | The minimart cashier needed to pay the double-rent Daniel goaded Armand into implementing, so he was more willing to sell alcohol to Hawk to make ends meet despite knowing that he was using a fake ID. |
| 174 | * No way! Places that sell alcohol are tested by regulators all the time. They want to make sure cashiers check the id of anyone who looks under 30. If they mess up, they risk a fine and losing their liquor license. He would risk losing more than gaining. |
| 175 | [[WMG: Kreese isn't really back.]] |
| 176 | Johnny wasn't lying or mistaken when he said Kreese was dead. It's actually his ''ghost'' appearing at the end of season 1, back to haunt Johnny and manipulate him. |
| 177 | * Tough to say. He may have honestly thought Kreese was dead (he faked his death back in '85 with Terry Silver's help) or he could have meant Kreese was dead figuratively ("Kreese is dead to me."). It can't be a literal ghost since this show is not about the supernatural. At most, it could be the modern equivalent of a pink elephant since Johnny was drinking and feared Kreese's legacy overshadowing his. |
| 178 | ** {{Jossed}}. The full Season 2 Trailer has Johnny move to attack Kreese and get kicked into a wall mirror for his trouble. It's him, all right. |
| 179 | [[WMG: Hillary Swank will make a guest appearance.]] |
| 180 | Daniel may or may not know about Miyagi training Julie in the fourth film, but either way, he'll be surprised when she turns up to lend a hand. |
| 181 | * According to the producers, Daniel does know of Julie's existence. They met at Miyagi's funeral. How close they are is another question. |
| 182 | [[WMG: Yasmine will not return, ever.]] |
| 183 | * Confirmed for Season 2, as she's in France for the summer. But we only get one day of school, and don't even make it to lunch hour, so there's no telling if she'll re-appear in Season 3. Her story arc does seem finished. |
| 184 | * Jossed, she returns in Season 3 since...you know, school restarts. And she appears to be starting on a new arc, [[CharacterDevelopment now that she's learned some humility]]. |
| 185 | [[WMG: Season 2 will start where Season 1 ended.]] |
| 186 | [[spoiler:After Kreese reveals himself, he'll try to take over the dojo only to be told that he lost all rights to the Cobra Kai name for the years not using it. Daniel will then show up to inform that Hawk will be banned if he repeats the illegal trick he used in the tournament. Upon seeing Kreese alive, he'll accuse Johnny of having taken [[Film/TheKarateKidPartIII fibbing lessons from Terry Silver]].]] |
| 187 | * Alternatively, [[spoiler: Daniel could assume that Johnny was also tricked into thinking Kreese was dead, as he knows that Kreese isn't above manipulating or assaulting his own students.]] |
| 188 | * Seems Confirmed, as of the "Which Cobra Do You Want to Be" and "2 Dojos One Fight" promo clips. The first episode appears to take place right after the tournament, with the fallout from what happened. |
| 189 | [[WMG: Shannon will lose guardianship rights over Robby.]] |
| 190 | After all those times calling her without any response, the school will send someone to visit her and she'll be deemed an unfit guardian. She'll [[NeverMyFault blame Johnny]] for it. |
| 191 | ** [[spoiler: ZigZagged. Shannon abandons Robby in the first episode, and he moves in with the Larusso family.]] |
| 192 | ** ZigZagged again. In Season 3 [[spoiler: Robby goes on the run while Shannon is in rehab. When he gets out, he goes to Cobra Kai and crashes in the dojo. As of the beginning of Season 4 he's still crashing, but Shannon reappears toward the end of the season and Robby appears to be living with her again, having gone back offscreen]]. |
| 193 | [[WMG: Kyler's parents will try to get Johnny in trouble.]] |
| 194 | They won't accept that Johnny was acquitted on the grounds of self-defense and that'll be the series' way to make it clear Johnny's legal troubles over that matter didn't end with the bail being paid.]] |
| 195 | [[WMG: Mr. Miyagi helped Daniel to start his business.]] |
| 196 | Either by investing and then bequeathing his share to Daniel or by bequeathing money Daniel used as startup capital. |
| 197 | ** Jossed. Daniel and Amanda started their first dealership when Amanda was pregnant with Sam. |
| 198 | [[WMG: Terry Silver is Miguel's father]] |
| 199 | ** Terry does have the sleazy personality and wealth to impress an eighteen year old Carmen, who was implied to have been a boy-crazy teenager. Plus Carmen told Johnny that as part of being "an very bad man" his job was hinted to be shady and dangerous, which defitionately matches Terry's being an CEO of an corrupt company. In the film he appeared in, Terry was skilled in pretending to be an humble good man until his true colors was revealed, which is how an naive Carmen would had fallen easily and made her took a while to find out the truth. Miguel's family had to move a lot to avoid getting tracked down by his father and that sounds like something Terry defitionately has the resources and rage to do so. The reason why Carmen was so overprotective of Miguel from violence might have been realizing he inherited some traits from his father. Miguel finding out his father was an enemy of Daniel and friend of Kreese would certainly make him fall in an [[HeroicBSoD]] |
| 200 | *** Discussed in good detail in this article. [[https://screenrant.com/cobra-kai-miguel-dad-terry-silver-theory/]] |
| 201 | [[WMG: Johnny will learn about Wikipedia from Miguel.]] |
| 202 | Miguel's reaction to Johnny not already knowing of it will be basically the same as [[spoiler:Daniel's about Johnny not knowing about Facebook.]] |
| 203 | [[WMG: Daniel will leave the board.]] |
| 204 | Considering that [[spoiler:he's reopening Mr. Miyagi's Dojo and his daughter is resuming her karate]], it's basically a ForegoneConclusion that he'll have to leave the board [[spoiler:to avoid a conflict of interest.]] |
| 205 | ** No mention of the board is made in Season 2. If it's anything like any other event board, they only meet once a year for a General Meeting. Otherwise the Board is mostly a governing body and the real work is done at the administrative and volunteer levels. |
| 206 | ** As of Season 3, Daniel appears to be involved with the board in some way, as one member tells him about the fate of the tournament but it's unclear. He sits in the audience while the board hears Miguel and Sam's speeches. |
| 207 | ** Confirmed. Daniel leaves the board, under the rule that karate senseis are not allowed. |
| 208 | [[WMG: There will be various other martial arts introduced into the show]] |
| 209 | Considering the large popularity of MMA, karate isn't as common as it used to be and there are other styles abound such as Brazilian Jiu-Jutsu, Muay Thai, Judo and so on. We see Kyler is a wrestler and Miguel mentions Taekwondo in the first episode, so it seems likely. |
| 210 | ** Neither confirmed nor Jossed but I'm pretty sure Tory was using a Krav Maga move at one point. |
| 211 | * Since the synopsis for the [[Film/TheKarateKid2010 2010 namesake film]] indicates very little use of karate itself, kung fu can be expected to enter the mix as well. |
| 212 | * OP of this WMG, just found [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QURu5v3sU2k&feature=youtu.be this deleted scene]] where Johnny antagonizes a local BJJ gym and talks down it and TKD, so sorta confirmed. |
| 213 | [[WMG: Robby was named after Johnny's friend Bobby Brown.]] |
| 214 | Both "Robby" and "Bobby" are variations of "Robert". |
| 215 | ** Unconfirmed, but unlikely, as Johnny wasn't around when Robby was born so Shannon named him on her own. We do find out that Robby's middle name is [[Creator/PatrickSwayze Swayze]]. |
| 216 | [[WMG: Bobby will reappear in Season 2.]] |
| 217 | Unlike Johnny, [[TokenGoodTeammate Bobby]] was able to better move on with his life after the events of ''The Karate Kid''. Hearing about Cobra Kai's return and victory at the All Valley Tournament, he comes to see for himself, only to see that the students of the new Cobra Kai are even more violent and worse bullies than he, Johnny and the others ever were. Horrified, Bobby then calls out Johnny for having repeated the mistakes of the past, with the latter being unable to argue against him, having seen with his own eyes the over-the-top aggression and violence of his students at the Tournament. Bobby will also accuse Johnny of ordering Hawk's attack on Robby just like Kreese ordered him to hurt Daniel in the first film. |
| 218 | * [[spoiler: Confirmed, but not at all in the way it's described here. Bobby is now a pastor and their [[HarsherInHindsight "Get him a body bag!"]] other friend Tommy is dying of cancer. The guys take him on a last road trip.]] |
| 219 | [[WMG: Kyler's new story arc will be learning about his origins, a la Film/WendyWuHomecomingWarrior.]] |
| 220 | [[WMG: Robbie's criminal past will catch up to him in Season 2]] |
| 221 | After Robbie moves into the Larusso's house, the cops will show up one day and arrest him. The reason it took so long and Robbie was a KarmaHoudini in Season 1 for stealing someone's laptop was that either the customer whose laptop Robbie stole called the store to complain, the store denied it, and only realized what happened when reviewing security footage, and then the police had to conduct an investigation, and only figured out Robbie after seeing him at the Karate tournament. Or Robbie's ex-friends are caught doing another crime, and while being interrogated, give up Robbie's name while mentioning the stolen laptop. |
| 222 | ** Confirmed, sort of, but not in the way it's described here. In the "2 Dojos One fight" trailer, we see Robby being held at knife point and threatened by one of his former friends. |
| 223 | ** Confirmed in season 2. Not only does Robby get into trouble with Trey and Cruz, he is also ejected from the [=LaRusso's=] country club, where they remember him as a petty thief and trouble maker. Luckily for Robby, Daniel and Amanda intervene to protect him from both. |
| 224 | ** As of the Season 3 trailer, Robby is in juvie, presumably as a result of the school fight. |
| 225 | [[WMG: The final fights of Seasons 2 and 3]] |
| 226 | The final fight of Season 2 will be Johnny vs. Kreese, and has Johnny overcome Kreese's malevolent influence on him once and for all. |
| 227 | * ZigZagged, as [[spoiler: Kreese takes control of the dojo due to a bad "handshake deal" Johnny made with Sarkizian, but they don't fight.]] |
| 228 | |
| 229 | The final fight of Season 3 will be Johnny vs. Daniel, as they settle their rivalry once and for all. |
| 230 | * Outright jossed here. While the two argue on and off as per usual, outside of an extremely small scrap they don't fight at all. Instead the final fights of Season 3 are [[spoiler: Cobra Kai vs Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang at Daniel's house, and then Johnny vs Kreese and Daniel vs Kreese.]] |
| 231 | [[WMG: Johnny's response to Daniel's ad for Miyagi-do.]] |
| 232 | He'll accuse Daniel of purposefully giving free lessons to drive Cobra Kai out of business and says it's easy to say it's not for money because Daniel is rich. |
| 233 | |
| 234 | [[WMG: Miguel and Eli will destroy the car Daniel received from Miyagi in the first film.]] |
| 235 | The most recent clip for Season 2 shows that Johnny (for now at least) plans to train the Cobra Kai students in fighting without using dirty tricks. With Kreese being a major influence this season and judging from the “Finish him” scene in the trailer, it’s possible he creates his own faction of Cobra Kai that embraces the original dojo’s wanton violence, tempting Miguel and Eli over to become his new protégés. The end of the season will see Miguel and Eli, on orders from Kreese, setting fire to the yellow Ford in a CallBack to what happened to Johnny in Season 1, which will be presented as their MoralEventHorizon. The season finale will end with both of them being arrested alongside Kreese, and Johnny (who tried to set them straight) turning his back on them, setting up their HeelFaceTurn for Season 3. |
| 236 | |
| 237 | ** Jossed, at least by the trailer. He's painted the Challenger and the gearshift has a cool new cobra handle. |
| 238 | |
| 239 | ** How does Johnny painting his car mean that this theory is Jossed? |
| 240 | ** Sorry, misread that as the car Johnny received from Daniel. As it turns out, this is somewhat confirmed. [[spoiler: Hawk vandalizes Miyagi-do dojo, including the "Banana Boat," as Sam nicknames the car]]. |
| 241 | |
| 242 | [[WMG: Hawk will become the new "leader", per se, of Cobra Kai.]] |
| 243 | The "Two Dojos, One Fight" trailer for Season 2 shows Kreese seemingly taking an interest in Hawk, which could possibly lead to him becoming the new "poster boy" for the darker Cobra Kai that Kreese seemingly wants revived. |
| 244 | ** Kinda confirmed? He's essentially the de facto leader due to the above and [[spoiler: Miguel is in a coma at the moment. Hawk would likely still defer to Miguel otherwise.]] |
| 245 | ** Confirmed for Season 3. Hawk is definitely the de facto leader. [[spoiler: Miguel leaves Cobra Kai outright so it's not in question...but then Hawk himself leaves Cobra Kai. Chances are it'll be Robby or Tory as the new leaders of Cobra Kai as we go into Season 4.]] |
| 246 | |
| 247 | [[WMG:The finals in Season 2 will be fought between Miguel and whoever replaces him as Johnny's star student.]] |
| 248 | Miguel will leave Johnny's dojo to join Kreese's. |
| 249 | ** Jossed. DID NOT see that ending coming! |
| 250 | |
| 251 | [[WMG: There is more to Ali's breakup with Daniel]] |
| 252 | |
| 253 | Daniel in the second movie says Ali broke up with him at prom after telling him she fell in love with UCLA football player. She did this after borrowing his car, busting up the fender and messing up the engine. Also, Daniel thought they were going to have sex after prom. This breakup seems rather out of character of Ali. |
| 254 | |
| 255 | * Confirmed. Ali sets the story straight herself in Season 3, or at least provides her side to it but no it's nowhere near as cut and dry as Daniel made it seem. |
| 256 | |
| 257 | [[WMG: The new girl, Tory, is Ali's daughter or granddaughter. In the latter case, possibly Daniel's granddaughter]] |
| 258 | Sent to live with her grandparents after one too many legal infractions in Denver. Or Ali gave her up for adoption after getting pregnant, which would explain her sudden breakup with Daniel and the auto accident. Ali's child then get's pregnant or get's someone else pregnant, and thus Tory is born. Ali breaks up with Daniel in July 1985, series starts in 2016. Tory is introduced in 2017. Its a razor thin margin but not impossible. If Ali did get pregnant by someone other than Daniel back in 1985, most likely the father is a rapist. Johnie is unlikely to be the father since he would remember sleeping with her or even chatting. |
| 259 | --> Tory: 'Tory', [[CallBack with a 'y']]. |
| 260 | ** Unlikely, as Tory's last name appears to be Nichols. It also doesn't make sense that a woman from a rich family who later became and married a doctor, would have to wait tables and eat leftovers from the restaurant. Unless they lost it all in a Ponzi scheme or something, Ali's wealthy parents also probably wouldn't let their granddaughter work in a roller rink to pay for karate lessons. |
| 261 | ** [[https://youtu.be/S2KHTxPVaaM One of the writers explicitly]] {{Jossed}} this theory. |
| 262 | [[WMG: Season 3: Johnny is going to have his own HesBack arc.]] |
| 263 | But he and Daniel have to put absolutely everything aside to pull it off. |
| 264 | |
| 265 | [[WMG: [[Film/TheNextKarateKid Julie Pierce]] will return in Season 3.]] |
| 266 | Miyagi-Do students are still gonna need to defend themselves, especially since Cobra Kai has essentially declared "open season" on Miyagi-Do. Daniel, however, is too ashamed to continue training them. Julie arrives in the valley after hearing about the Miyagi-Do dojo, but after getting the whole story, she decides to take up the role as sensei of the dojo. |
| 267 | ** Note that Creator/HilarySwank 's Wikipedia page has an entry for the actress to appear in a cameo, TBA, for Series/CobraKai. She may not have a big role, but it's safe to say she'll appear at least briefly. |
| 268 | ** She will appear at the end of an episode, in the shadows behind Daniel, and will close out the episode by saying "Wow, Daniel-San... [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech you suck]]." |
| 269 | ** Jossed as of Season 5 |
| 270 | |
| 271 | [[WMG: Johnny and Daniel will team-up to find Robby]] |
| 272 | Robby is likely on the run after what happened to Miguel. This could sow the seeds of their eventual reconciliation. |
| 273 | |
| 274 | * Confirmed very quickly in Season 3. Though they blow up again afterwards because that is their nature [[spoiler: but they do legitimately reconcile in the Season Finale...or at least tolerate each other enough to be willing to merge dojos to take down Kreese.]] |
| 275 | |
| 276 | [[WMG: Season 3 will focus on Johnny and Daniel finally burying the hatchet]] |
| 277 | Kreese now in full control of the dojo and Johnny renouncing anything to do with Cobra Kai, now would a great time as ever to for both Johnny and Daniel to really reflect on how they had let their decades-old rivalry poison their lives. Only then can they can hope to stop Kreese once and for all. |
| 278 | * Bonus points if season 3 starts at [[DrowningMySorrows a bar with the two of them]]. |
| 279 | --> '''Daniel''': ''It came to this?'' |
| 280 | --> '''Johnny''': ''SoWhatDoWeDoNow'' |
| 281 | |
| 282 | * Somewhat Jossed. While the two do end up burying the hatchet the season doesn't really focus around it as their first attempt blows up. In fact the two don't share a ton of screen time at all for several episodes since Daniel is in Japan. |
| 283 | |
| 284 | [[WMG: Season 3 will start with a DownerBeginning.]] |
| 285 | The season begins with Miguel finally waking up from his coma, several weeks after the Season 2 Finale. His first day back to school, he (and by proxy the audience) is brought up to speed on everything that's happened since that massive brawl. |
| 286 | * With Miyagi-Do gone and with no real competitors left, Cobra Kai (now under Sensei Kreese's control) pretty much owns the Valley and its students rule the school's social hierarchy with an iron fist. In Miguel's absence, Hawk is now the dojo's star pupil. |
| 287 | * Meanwhile, the former Miyagi-Do students have been left to fend for themselves. Most of them are still sticking together, trying to protect each other, but with Daniel no longer around to teach them any more lessons and Cobra Kai getting more ferocious by the day under Kreese's guidance, it's only a matter of time until the cobras eventually become too much for the Miyagi Students to handle. Even worse, a few former Miyagi Students have returned to Cobra Kai out of fear and desperation. |
| 288 | * As for how Cobra Kai is getting away with all this? Using his [[ManipulativeBastard natural charisma,]] Kreese convinces the school board and local papers that it was Miyagi-Do that started the brawl and that his Cobra Kai students were victims, guilty only of trying to defend themselves (which would be more likely than you think - in most of the Miyagi/Cobra duels, it was the Miyagi kids who emerged victorious, which would make it easier for the cobras to play the victim card). Thus, Miyagi-Do is the one who gets the Lion's Share of the blame from the school. |
| 289 | *** It was Tory who wrestled the PA system away from an administrator to call Sam out for a fight. Public opinion on who's to blame may be a lot more divided. Or Kreese will try to spin it to his advantage, pinning the blame Johnny for making Cobra Kai so violent. |
| 290 | *** Schools would have video surveillance installed post Columbine. The school in the Valley wouldn't be different. Not only does Tory's wrestling the PA system away from the administrator count as damning evidence, but the footage would have been reviewed to find out who is to blame as well. Tory and a couple of the other Cobra-Kai would be completely expelled (as one of them assaulted a teacher) from the school, while other members of Cobra-Kai would be suspended because they were the ones who threw the first punch and escalated the event. A couple of the Miyagi-Do students may be suspended, as most of them were shown not throwing the first punch in their fights and were reacting in defense. Robbie's fate is unsure, but seeing he was trying to stop the fight between Sam and Tory, that one of Cobra-Kai tried to attack him (which he deflected) and then Miguel attacked him, it could be seen strictly as self-defense that ended in a tragedy (so, it's hard to know if he will be let off the hook or not, but given his relation to Johnny, he may not be let back into school. And outside of that, Miguel's mom could file charges for assault against Robbie for nearly killing her son, even if Miguel did attack him first). Stingray would be permanently banned from coming back to the school and applying for work there after the Principal witnessed him selectively attacking students while letting those associated with Cobra-Kai to continue to attack (such as by passing by Hawk who had one of the Miyagi-Do students in a choke-hold). So, even if Kreese did try to convince the board that it was Miyagi-Do's fault, there'd be evidence that shows that it was members of Cobra-Kai that were the ones who started and escalated the fight that lead to one of the students being left in critical condition. If anything will happen, the school would permanently ban any karate-related activities and finally enforce a zero-tolerance rule for bullying (meaning that if anyone even lifted a finger towards another student would lead to a very heavy punishment). |
| 291 | * As a consequence of the above, LaRusso Auto has fallen on hard times. Given how eager the company was to slap their name on Miyagi-Do, the brawl was a PR nightmare. Sales are down, one of their lots had to be shut down, and the LaRusso Auto empire is slowly crumbling apart. In one episode, Kreese sends his cobras to vandalize one of Daniel's lots, just to add insult to injury. |
| 292 | * Robbie is completely MIA. Fearful of the consequences of almost killing Miguel, he took off after the brawl and nobody's seen him since. One can only wonder where he is now. |
| 293 | * Johnny Lawrence left the valley after the brawl, and is rumored to live alone in the woods. He used to be a handyman before he became a sensai, so we know he's good with tools. It's possible that he built his own cabin in the woods, complete with a pond in the back where he can relax - not unlike Mr. Miyagi's old dojo. He spends his days in self-imposed exile, believing that he is ultimately responsible for all the damage Cobra Kai's done and that he never should've brought it back to begin with. |
| 294 | * All of this is explained to Miguel by Aisha. She left Cobra Kai after the brawl, recognizing it was now doing more harm than good, especially with Kreese as sensei (it's worth noting that Aisha wasn't present during Kreese's secret night class when Johnny caught them). |
| 295 | |
| 296 | With the Valley now under Cobra Kai's control and no one left to stand up to John Kreese, it now falls to Miguel to rally Johnny, Daniel, Robby, Sam and Aisha to figure out a way to take down Kreese once and for all. |
| 297 | |
| 298 | Yasmine has Skype, right? If Moon has Skype, too, she's going to be telling her "bestie" about the big fight that decommissioned Miguel. |
| 299 | ** The first episode's title appears to be "Aftermath." |
| 300 | ** Nichole Brown has confirmed that Aisha won't be returning for Season 3, as they just couldn't "find a place" for her [[OutOfFocus character]]. Maybe she'll be able to come back for Season 4 and beyond. |
| 301 | |
| 302 | ** The Season 3 official trailer has confirmed that Season 3 will start out on a dark note. Miguel is awake but in a hospital bed and requiring extensive therapy (though the extent of his injuries is unknow). Robby appears to be hiding out in the woods before he's arrested and thrown into juvie, where he is badly beaten. Kyler appears to have joined Cobra Kai, wherein Hawk has to confront his remaining feelings about being bullied. Demetri and Hawk's relationship remains broken. Sam and Tory appear to have a rematch, while Sam remains reluctant and scarred from the fight. Johnny looks much the worse for wear and spends some time in jail, too. |
| 303 | |
| 304 | * Confirmed, it's a pretty downer beginning. Johnny gets into a drunken fight and is thrown in jail (this has consequences later). The school fight has absolutely tarnished the [=LaRussos'=] reputation, to the point where they're facing severe public backlash, and sales are down at the dealership as a result of their affiliation with the karate war (this also has consequences later). Miguel is still in his coma and only wakes up at the end of episode 1. Sam has blatant post-traumatic stress disorder. Robby is indeed on the run and is considered a fugitive. Tory was expelled and is working two jobs to provide for her family (while getting accosted by a slimy landlord propositioning her, a MINOR, for sex in order to avoid eviction). Hawk's rep is also completely in the toilet after getting punked by Demetri. Aisha was moved away completely. The only two people in the Valley to have any sort of benefit was Kreese (obviously) and Demetri who got a big PR upgrade. |
| 305 | |
| 306 | [[WMG: Season 3 will be a reconstruction period for Johnny & Daniel.]] |
| 307 | The first two seasons were about deconstructing who their respective characters were from the first movie, right down to their respective teaching methods. The third season will involve the two of them finding a way to build themselves back up again. With the third season ending on the two of them finding some kind of common ground. Which will be the closest EarnYourHappyEnding moment they'll ever get. |
| 308 | |
| 309 | * More or less confirmed. While the two do ultimately have other objectives they have to deal with (Johnny getting Miguel back on his feet and Daniel saving his business) they do have to come to terms with who they want to be as people and eventually (thanks to Ali) finding that common ground. |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[WMG: Season 3 will begin a year after the events of Season 2.]] |
| 312 | The season will actually open with the finals of the All Valley Tournament. With no Miyagi Do and their even more aggressive methods, Cobra Kai picks up the victory with Hawk taking Miguel's place. Robbie returns after spending the last months in juvenile hall for his actions in the brawl, now completely isolated from even his former criminal friends due to his own guilt. Samantha isn't doing much better and has shut herself off to karate, blaming herself for Robbie and Miguel's feud. Meanwhile Miguel has come out of his coma, and is about to start physical therapy. |
| 313 | ** Jossed: Season 3 picks up the same day season 2 left off. |
| 314 | ** Incorrect actually. It picks up two weeks after Season 2 but still not a year afterwards. |
| 315 | |
| 316 | [[WMG: Season 3 will have at least one fatality]] |
| 317 | Think about it. Season 1 was the transformation of bullying victims into a Cobra Kai worse than Johnny ever was. The final episode of Season 2 ended with a brawl involving nearly every Cobra Kai and Miyagi-do student at the school. With Miguel crippled and Kreese taking over Cobra Kai, most aren't going to be interested in reconciliation. They'll want revenge... and there's only one additional step left to take. |
| 318 | |
| 319 | * Jossed unless you count the Flashbacks...not that Kreese didn't try his best. |
| 320 | |
| 321 | [[WMG:Kreese's FreudianExcuse]] |
| 322 | During UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, Kreese and his men got into a gunfight with some Vietcong and wounded them, and they started begging for mercy. Kreese spared the men, only for them to pull an ISurrenderSuckers on him and capture them. Kreese and his men were tortured by the Vietcong, leaving him as the SoleSurvivor by the time rescue came. This incident permanently warped Kreese and caused him to develop the mindset that mercy was a weakness, leading to his actions in 1984 and the present day regarding Cobra Kai. |
| 323 | ** This might even be showcased in a WholeEpisodeFlashback featuring Kreese. |
| 324 | ** Kinda Jossed? His mindset was formed in Nam, but that had more to do with his captain and a failed mission (on top of his girlfriend dying) rather than being duped by the Viet Cong. |
| 325 | |
| 326 | [[WMG: Cobra Kai Karate is actually a hybrid style of Tang Soo Do and a Southeast Asian Kickboxing style (Muay Thai, Lethwei, etc.)]] |
| 327 | Southeast Asia is the only place that Kreese is actually confirmed to have deployed to and it's not much of a stretch for him to have encountered one of the native Martial Arts there. Cobra Kai's philosophy (Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy) runs counter to most traditional forms of Karate but is very much in line with the hyper competitive environment of the Lethwei and Muay Thai arenas. In addition to this the Cobras favor a number of techniques that are usually more emphasized in Southeast Asian Kickboxing than Karate. Sweeping the leg at the knee and thigh, throwing elbows and knees in the clinch, catching kicks, and the superman punch are all common techniques and strategies in Muay Thai while Lethwei is one of the only two combat sports in the world (the other being Vale Tudo) where headbutting is a legal tactic. Incidentally Hawk's superman punch started as a technique in Muay Thai where it's original name is translated out as the "Cobra Punch". |
| 328 | * The Cobra on the Dojo's logo may actually be meant to symbolize the Southeast Asian influence on Kreese's art. Cobras are not native to Japan or Korea but they are found in abundance in Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia where they are also important cultural icons meant to invoke a number of ideas. Among other things the Cobra is heavily associated with longevity and rebirth in Southeast Asia, hence "Cobra Kai never dies". |
| 329 | * More likely than not Kreese and Terry Silver originally learned Tang Soo Do (Terry's mention of a Korean master is not a total fabrication) but heavily modified their techniques with what they learned on duty. Kreese kept the basic stance of Tang Soo Do rather than the more square stance of Muay Thai because he favors the explosive power and speed of the bladed stance over the the more defensively sound square stance, especially since few fighters outside of Southeast Asia were likely to throw low kicks at the time. Kreese named his new style Cobra Kai Karate both out of a nostalgic attachment to his original martial arts training and as a business move since people in the States were (and to some degree still are) much more familiar with Karate and thus more likely to pay for lessons. |
| 330 | ** This is actually TruthInTelevision. A lot of Americans stationed in Korea who studied Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo referred to what they learned and taught under the moniker “Korean Karate”. Creator/ChuckNorris for instance was a Tang Soo Do practitioner who learned the art while stationed abroad, but called said art Karate for name value. That being said, most of the techniques being taught have equivalents in Tang Soo Do (which uses elbows and knees, although to nowhere near the same degree), there is virtually no use of the clinch, which for many trainers is viewed as the cornerstone of Muay Thai, and the scenes we see of the Cobras practicing their kicks, even on pads, show them using the snapping knee and targeting with the foot motion of Tang Soo Do vs. the heavy pivot and swing of the leg as seen in Muay Thai, which uses the shinbone as the impact point. So while it’s possible (and has historical precedent) the techniques borrowed seem to be fairly minimal. |
| 331 | |
| 332 | * Actually partially confirmed. Kreese's captain (the one he learned his karate from) outright mentions that Tang Soo Do is going to be part of what he learns and it was taught by his own superior who learned during Korea. |
| 333 | |
| 334 | [[WMG: John Kreese will become a father figure to Hawk]] |
| 335 | Just because it's a bit of a running theme in this show, Hawk will come to see Sensei Kreese as something of a father figure. However, unlike Daniel and Johnny who try to do right by their students, Kreese will use this relationship to use Hawk to his own ends. |
| 336 | |
| 337 | * Jossed. While Hawk does because his de-facto leader [[spoiler: at least until the Season Finale]] the two are never all that particularly close and Kreese goes out of his way to be a bit more "caring" towards Tory and Robby and even Johnny. |
| 338 | |
| 339 | [[WMG:Kreese’s endgame]] |
| 340 | It’s been established that Kreese’s short term goal is fairly simple, get his dojo back and defeat the OpposingSportsTeam that is Miyagi-Do, which in turn, would validate his philosophies over the late Mr. Miyagi that drove him out of business the first time. As a goal it seems simple enough, and it was the same goal he had in ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII'', but the season ends with [[spoiler:Miyagi-Do shut down and him the sole owner and instructor of Cobra Kai]]. Given that, is Kreese going to be content to be the leader of the “karate cult” in the Valley and dominate the All-Valley championships while destroying local competitors? Given the theme of driving philosophies and validation, I don’t think Kreese will be happy with merely being a big fish in a small pond, and next season will look to either begin franchising Cobra Kai (which he also wanted to do in Part III) or having his students, Hawk in particular, representing Cobra Kai on a much bigger stage than the All-Valley, to confirm his philosophies were superior to those who challenged him. |
| 341 | * Taking this a step further; what does Kreese hope to achieve by going national? It's clear he has (or at least ''had'', back in the day) friends in high places like Terry Silver who could offer him riches and a lavish lifestyle, but he chooses to continue training students. Why? He doesn't just want his brand to go national; he wants his ''philosophy'' to. Like Johnny did at the start of the season, Kreese sees a world that has grown soft and coddling, and like any good SocialDarwinist villain, wants to inject the fear of death back into the hearts of the weak. By taking Cobra Kai national, he can raise a strong but sociopathic generation of warriors and purge America of the weakness he sees around him, proving that MightMakesRight and life rewards the strong who take what they want. And he will be the grandfather of it all. It's not unlike [[VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance a certain senator from a popular video game series]] who sought to reduce America into a survival-of-the-fittest petrie dish. |
| 342 | ** The end of season 3 is certainly setting this up. Not only does Kreese overtly state he wants to 'melt the snowflake generation', but [[spoiler: he's made a call to Terry Silver, implying he may in fact be reigniting his plan to go national if he can do well at the next All-Valley.]] |
| 343 | ** Season 4 throws a wrench in his plan, as he finds himself sidelined by the even more manipulative, ruthless and sociopathic Terry Silver. |
| 344 | |
| 345 | [[WMG: Ali will be the HopeBringer in Season 3]] |
| 346 | Season 2 ended in a depressing DownerEnding, [[spoiler:with all the good guys in retreat, Miguel in a coma and [[TheBadGuysWins Kreese in charge of Cobra Kai]],]] but also with [[spoiler:Johnny receiving a Facebook message from Ali]]. Ali will then return to the Valley in season 3 and be force for good to balance Kreese's evil, helping to reconcile Daniel and Johnny and [[spoiler:using her skills as a pediatric surgeon to save Miguel.]] |
| 347 | * Johnny may see this as a chance to finally make up and be with the girl he has long cherished - only for Ali to tell (remind) Johnny that she's married and have ''long'' since moved on from both him and Daniel. |
| 348 | * Daniel reconnects with Ali as well - [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments mainly to rip for how she trashed his car on their prom night]]. |
| 349 | * Well the initial WMG is confirmed. Ali coming back is huge for both Daniel and Johnny as she essentially puts their feud to bed all on her own. However, outside of some mild ship-teasing (since Ali apparently got divorced sometime in the last year) Johnny never makes an actual play for her since he had started a relationship with Carmen. Daniel's interaction with her is also very polite though the whole "prom night car trashing" IS brought up. |
| 350 | |
| 351 | [[WMG: Daniel and Johnny will team up in Season 3]] |
| 352 | Kreese’s Cobra Kai will increasingly act like a street gang and in particular will target the former Miyagi-do. A group of Miyagi-do, abandoned by Daniel and now being led by Robby, will seek out Johnny as their new Sensei to teach them to stand up to the Cobra Kai bullies. Eventually Ali will come to town to perform surgery on Miguel. To do that, Ali has only one price for Johnny and Daniel: put an end to their feud once and for all. Once that reconciliation has been achieved, they together will reopen Miyagi-do as a balanced middle-way between their two competing philosophies. |
| 353 | * OK, Mrs. Larusso, what say you about all this? |
| 354 | ** Obviously, Ali has to have a long talk with Amanda Larusso to convince her that Daniel and Johnny can settle their differences and karate can play a role in that. Sure, that's not going to be a easy sell for Amanda, but that's where the drama lies. |
| 355 | * Confirmed at the end of Season 3 (also Amanda doesn't need to be hard sold on the Karate part...Kreese did that just fine on his own). |
| 356 | |
| 357 | [[WMG: Any Cobra Kai student that wasn't present during Kreese's class at the end of Season 2 (particularly Aisha and maybe Bert) will join up Miyagi-Do in Season 3]] |
| 358 | * Realizing the unabated corruption of the new Cobra Kai under John Kreese, the few perspicacious-enough students will team-up with the remnant Miyagi-Do students to fight back against Kreese and to hopefully persuade Johnny and Daniel to keep teaching them karate, but this time together as one dojo. |
| 359 | * Aisha will hookup with Chris, both being the most "moderate" students of their respective dojos. |
| 360 | * The mess is clearly far from over. With nowhere else to go and another showdown being a certainty, the surviving students will see no choice but to take refuge at the house where Miyagi-do stood. In their own little way, they become a contemporary eastern martial arts BreakfastClub. |
| 361 | * ...this one actually ends up a bit complicated. The easy stuff, Aisha just outright moves away. But the rest of the CK students do remain. [[spoiler: Initially. Then Kreese starts casting out some and they go to Johnny to start a new Dojo, Eagle Fang. Only for that dojo to eventually merge with Miyagi-Do anyway so...technically confirmed?]] |
| 362 | |
| 363 | [[WMG: In the wake of the school brawl, several characters are going to be in court, but for different reasons.]] |
| 364 | |
| 365 | * Jossed, at least that we could see. It's possible Stingray went to court and that's where his probation came from. But otherwise only Robby faced actual punishment from the police and he was sent straight to Juvie (Tory avoided it thanks to her caregiver status at home). |
| 366 | |
| 367 | [[WMG: Amanda is going to be horribly raped or hit with a brutal injury close to home.]] |
| 368 | |
| 369 | * Jossed, thankfully. Nothing of the sort has happened thus far, and there's no indication that the show will ever go in such a dark and ugly direction. |
| 370 | |
| 371 | [[WMG: Hawk will kill Demitri]] |
| 372 | |
| 373 | * Jossed, though [[spoiler: he does break his arm...before he performs a HeelFaceTurn in the Season Finale and they're bros again.]] |
| 374 | |
| 375 | [[WMG: The GrandFinale: The FinalBattle of the series, between Johnny and Daniel.]] |
| 376 | * It will be a friendly rematch, and exhibition in a tournament before the (Unshown) Final Match. The families and friends will be cheering both of them and betting a dessert in a barbecue. After exchanging some punches and blocks, it will end with Daniel readying a Crane Kick while Johnny prepares a Flying Side Kick. The screen will stop, and it will be shown a picture, just like Rocky III Ending, with "You're the best (Around)" rocking in the background. |
| 377 | The End. |
| 378 | |
| 379 | [[WMG: Characters from Season 1 who didn't appear in Season 2 will have big roles in Season 3.]] |
| 380 | * Sid will make a BackForTheDead appearance and become the one who finally make Johnny understand Daniel didn't steal Ali from him. Sid will also die and leave Johnny a big amount of money. Johnny will buy a new karate studio and attract Cobra Kais not wanting to learn from Kreese. He'll also get Daniel's former students. |
| 381 | * Kyler will show up and reveal he spent Season 2 level grinding. |
| 382 | ** Kyler joins Cobra Kai in season 3, and stays with them throughout season 4. However, he's still a tool and while he does grind a little, everyone else leaves him in the dust. |
| 383 | * Robby's mom will return. |
| 384 | ** Robby's mom does make appearances in both season 3 and 4, but nothing major. |
| 385 | |
| 386 | * Well...confirmed that all three of those characters (plus Yasmine who also did not appear in Season 2) will return in Season 3. As for big roles...uh. [[spoiler: Johnny goes to Sid to get money for Miguel's surgery. Kyler shows up and joins Cobra Kai and becomes Miguel's FinalBoss towards regaining his full ability and confidence in his health and fighting. Shannon returns in rehab and is ultimately the one who helps bring Robby in. Yasmine shows up and starts a potential romance with Demetri.]] |
| 387 | |
| 388 | [[WMG: Johnny will try to learn more about Terry Silver.]] |
| 389 | And will learn Daniel had a good reason to hold him as a reason not to trust Cobra Kai. |
| 390 | |
| 391 | [[WMG: Future season predictions]] |
| 392 | In season 3 Hawk and the other Cobras will bully Robby relentlessly until Robby agrees to a rematch against Hawk in the next all-valley tournament. Robby will prepare for this by training with Johnny but will lose himself in the aggression inherent in Cobra-Kai until Daniel returns from Okinawa to help Robby find his way again. |
| 393 | |
| 394 | In season 4 Miguel will have recovered enough from his injuries to return to school. Miguel will refuse to rejoin Cobra-Kai and will be targeted by his former friends as a result. Miguel will refuse to give up his new found pacifism so Sam will step up to protect him. If Hilary Swank ever makes a cameo it will be here. |
| 395 | |
| 396 | * Season 3 Jossed all the way around. |
| 397 | |
| 398 | [[WMG: Johnny and his old Cobra Kai buddies will visit Tommy's gravesite]] |
| 399 | HarsherInHindsight since it was Rob Garrison's final appearance before his death (September 2019). Expect it to become a plot point. |
| 400 | |
| 401 | [[WMG: Demetri and Moon will enter in a relationship in Season 3, which finally incites Hawk to start JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope.]] |
| 402 | * Demetri starts undergoing a ([[{{Reconstruction}} reconstructed]]) transformation similar to Eli/Hawk thanks to Miyagi-do, which attracts Moon to him. |
| 403 | * This of course also makes Eli's anger and jealousy reach a fever pitch and, without Johnny guidance, will cause him to take actions that may make him finally cross the MoralEventHorizon (e.g. [[MurderTheHypotenuse kill]] Demetri or [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil force]] himself on Moon, or both). |
| 404 | ** Or, given their actors are dating as of late 2019, Moon will start spending time with Miguel, leading Hawk to battle his former best karate friend. |
| 405 | |
| 406 | * Jossed. Demetri does enter a potential relationship but with [[AlphaBitch Yasmine]] of all people. Moon isn't really much of a factor. |
| 407 | |
| 408 | [[WMG: Since each season seems to mirror some of the "story beats" of the films, Season 3 will feature swaps between dojos, Daniel "going bad," a tournament re-match, and Kreese may fake his death... again!]] |
| 409 | |
| 410 | * Well the swaps between dojos happens at least. |
| 411 | |
| 412 | [[WMG: The [[https://youtu.be/szhCZtPw6xU Quickbooks commercial]] is ProductionForeshadowing for Kreese's ultimate fate.]] |
| 413 | * All the other characters [[EvenEvilHasStandards will inevitably]] [[NiceJobFixingItVillain turn against him]], but after already looking into his FreudianExcuse and [[AlasPoorVillain portraying his defeat in a sympathetic light]], he will decide to pull a HeelFaceTurn and start over with Koala Kai. |
| 414 | |
| 415 | [[WMG: Demetri will temporarily take up leadership of the Miyagi-do students in Season 3.]] |
| 416 | * With Daniel no longer teaching them, Sam likely being too distraught over what happened to Miguel, and Robby most likely being on the run, Demetri will take it upon himself to keep the remaining Miyagi-do students together and keep each other protected, especially since they'll more than likely still be targeted by Cobra Kai. |
| 417 | * Jossed, Sam is the de-facto leader of Miyagi-Do all the way through, though Demetri does assert himself far more than Season 2. |
| 418 | |
| 419 | [[WMG: Demetri will be the one to convince Amanda to keep letting Daniel teach karate.]] |
| 420 | * After Robby, Demetri is student most (positively) changed and influenced by Daniel's teachings. |
| 421 | |
| 422 | * Jossed, Amanda ends up convincing herself after seeing just how far Kreese is willing to go and how little law enforcement is willing to do to help. |
| 423 | |
| 424 | [[WMG: The one teaser shown for Season 3 offers serious insight into Miyagi's backstory -- and Daniel's core character defect.]] |
| 425 | * You know how viewers were saying Daniel was always an angry and violent kid and still is? If that's Chozen's voice we heard there, we're going to learn the harsh truth about Miyagi's formative years. Also expect to learn about the mistake that served as a wake-up call to Daniel's sensei. |
| 426 | |
| 427 | * Jossed. What Daniel ends up learning is that Miyagi-Do is not 100% about self-defense and does have techniques for killing since it was used to deal with warring invaders. |
| 428 | |
| 429 | [[WMG: Johnny's new dojo will be called Iron Eagle]] |
| 430 | * Johnny clearly doesn't understand how copyright laws work, so he will just mindlessly use the name without thinking much about it. This will lead to a hilarious sequence where he gets copy-striked and forced to pay for the right. |
| 431 | ** Considering that an [[{{Defictionalization}} actual Cobra Kai school is in Las Vegas]] (a UsefulNotes/BrazilianJiuJitsu school) and they likely pay royalty rights to Sony to use the name and snake logo, it could be a fun little bit of VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory legal shenanigans. And considering how Season 2 ended, some light comedy about name rights might be a fun way to lighten the mood. |
| 432 | * Close! It actually ends up being called Eagle Fang. |
| 433 | |
| 434 | [[WMG: Demetri is Freddy Fernandez's son]] |
| 435 | Since Sam and Robby are children of Daniel and Johnny. Demetri is the son of Freddy for everything to come full circle. Freddy and Demetri both have dark brown hair. Also Demetri's last name isnt fully revealed yet but it falls inbetween A-G according to the episode "Different But Same". |
| 436 | |
| 437 | [[WMG: Kyler and his 3 friends will join Miyagi-Do as secret weapons and the season long arc will be moving past the lingering issues from season 1.]] |
| 438 | * Hawk will see Kyler and his friends and attack him for what Kyler did to him in season one, but the group of wrestlers will hold their own till the Miyagi-Do students see and help. Desperate for new students to join and help in the fight against Kreese's Cobra Kai, both sides will be forced to join forces. Kyler and co learn karate and at the same time teaches Miyagi-Do mat-based wrestling. Wrestling uses the entire body and can be an effective tool to combat karate and give an extra martial art to the show. Throughout the season both Kyler and his friends try to make amends with Miyagi-Do and by the season's finale they would have fully patched things up and become friends. |
| 439 | |
| 440 | * Jossed, Kyler and his friend Brucks join Cobra Kai (well his friend attempted to anyway before Hawk beat him to a bloody pulp). That violent act though made sure Kyler didn't try to start anything after that. |
| 441 | |
| 442 | [[WMG: Kyler will start bullying Miguel again in Season 3.]] |
| 443 | * Confirmed to return for Season 3, Kyler will take advantage of Miguel's current crippled state and [[BullyingTheDisabled resume bullying him again.]] This will cause a reaction from both dojos: |
| 444 | ** Miyagi-do: Sam and Demetri defend Miguel from Kyler, with Demetri most likely going to be forced to actually fight. |
| 445 | ** Cobra Kai: The students (particularly Tory and Hawk) will immediately go NoHoldsBarredBeatdown on Kyler, who may cripple him in return or possibly even [[spoiler:kill him.]] |
| 446 | |
| 447 | * Kinda confirmed? It's very clear during the Season Finale assault that his goal was to get revenge on Miguel, especially while he's still weakened from the Season 2 fall. However, while he does give Miguel a damn good beating Miguel finds his HeroicSecondWind to put him down again. Also for some NiceJobFixingItVillain he may have accidentally triggered Hawk's HeelFaceTurn and his defection from Cobra Kai. Oops. |
| 448 | |
| 449 | [[WMG: The woman who bitched at Johnny will return in Season Three]] |
| 450 | * She will encounter Johnny and Daniel, and she and Johnny will ''again'' rehash the "you called me a bitch" argument. After which, Daniel will say "[[PhraseCatcher What a bitch]]." |
| 451 | |
| 452 | * Jossed |
| 453 | |
| 454 | [[WMG: Tory and Kyler will start dating]] |
| 455 | * They're both violent aggressive people and with Miguel in a coma he can't warn her about Kyler. Sam might try to warn her about Kyler, but she'll brush it off as her wanting revenge for the fight. |
| 456 | |
| 457 | * Jossed for Season 3 at least. The two don't really interact whatsoever. |
| 458 | * Outright Jossed for Season 4. Tory eventually falls in love and dates Robby. |
| 459 | |
| 460 | [[WMG: Kreese will go out of his way to ruin the rest of Daniel's life in season 3]] |
| 461 | * Kreese may have taken over Cobra Kai and forced Miygai-Do into disbanding, but it's unlikely he'll stop his crusade against Daniel. After all, we saw how far he went in ''The Karate Kid: Part III'' to get his revenge for ruining his dojo; imagine how resentful he feels after three decades of destitution, brought forth by Daniel's doing? Now that he has students who are willing to do anything to get what they want, there's no telling what fresh torments or the lengths they go to if their sensei tells them to go after Daniel La Russo. They could target his business, his house...even his family... |
| 462 | ** And given that he was on the other side of her glorious little wind-up, there's no way in hell he's going to let Amanda off in the long run. A two-for-one deal for him. |
| 463 | |
| 464 | * Somewhat zigzagged. He does have his students go after Miyagi-Do students but generally leaves it at that at first (the School Fight itself did enough damage to Daniel's PR and Auto Group). But when Amanda tried the same tactic Daniel used on Johnny in Season 1 to force him out of the strip mall he ramps up his efforts considerably. First he sends a snake to the Auto Group showfloor and during the city council meeting does his best to throw Daniel under the bus for everything that happened in regards to the MobWar. |
| 465 | |
| 466 | [[WMG: Miguel will dish out a glorious ReasonYouSuckSpeech to the remaining member of Cobra Kai]] |
| 467 | When Miguel learns about the current situation his sensei is in, and learn that Hawk, Tory and co. blamed Johnny for Miguel's condition, the latter will tear into the Cobras for blindly trusting Kreese and abandoning the mentor who actually got them to where they were. This would perfectly tie into Miguel's UndyingLoyalty to Johnny, and show his character development of understanding the difference between "No Mercy" versus "No Honor". |
| 468 | |
| 469 | * Jossed...at least in terms of his target. He delivers a ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Johnny himself, calling him out for abandoning his students, allowing everyone to call him weak and a pussy and tells him to sack up and accept that he is a sensei. Interestingly enough it's that very speech that galvanizes Miguel to stand on his own two feet (literally) and helps Johnny reassess his status. |
| 470 | |
| 471 | [[WMG:At first, Kyler will look like he hasn't changed in the least. But then something unexpected will happen.]] |
| 472 | |
| 473 | * Jossed, he's pretty much the same. |
| 474 | ** ''Right now.'' But as Yasmine proved, this series has a history of surprises. |
| 475 | |
| 476 | [[WMG:The victim of Hawk's vicious beatdown in the Cobra Kai dojo will be Kyler]] |
| 477 | Hawk will spar against him and win before taking full advantage of Kreese's allowances for KickThemWhileTheyAreDown to enact his revenge for the previous bullying. |
| 478 | |
| 479 | * Jossed, it was Brucks who received the beating. |
| 480 | !! Miguel’s rehabilitation in the trailer will actually be an ImagineSpot. |
| 481 | |
| 482 | * Surprisingly Jossed. It wasn't Kyler but one of his friends from Season 1. It did do its job in cowing Kyler towards him though. |
| 483 | |
| 484 | [[WMG: Chozen is going to teach Daniel the "I thought it was a DangerousForbiddenTechnique."]] |
| 485 | Remember when Daniel thought Miyagi had taught him everything he knew? And how Chozen responded ("are you sure about that?"). Do not be surprised if Daniel eventually invokes LetsGetDangerous |
| 486 | |
| 487 | * Somewhat confirmed. Miyagi-Do has techniques that are suited for killing that Mr. Miyagi specifically did not teach Daniel and Chozen does teach at least one to him. Daniel doesn't use it to kill though. |
| 488 | |
| 489 | [[WMG: Kyler will become Cobra Kai’s star pupil]] |
| 490 | In the season 3 trailer, we see Kyler observing the Cobra Kai students while Hawk looks back at him. Seeing as how Kyler was a vicious bully from day one, this would make him a perfect student for Kreese. While Miguel’s and Hawk’s training made Kyler no longer a threat to them, he’s [[UnskilledButStrong still larger and probably stronger than both of them]]. Kyler will take to Kreese’s methods like a duck to water, and will quickly outshine Hawk as a result. Hawk will then resume getting bullied, and become more alienated from his peers at Cobra Kai. Seeing as how he’d also previously alienated Demitri, this will mean that he’ll end up in a ''worse'' predicament than before he joined Cobra Kai because he will now be completely alone. He will then come to a HeelRealization and attempt to atone. |
| 491 | * This may also lead to a grudge match between Kyler and Sam, considering the fact that he was the one who started the “blowjob” rumor about her. |
| 492 | ** Calling it now: yes, he's pretty much the same as he was in the first season. But she curb-stomps him in the same vein as Film/TheNextKarateKid. Kreese (having been done away with in a similar way) orders Kyler to actually off her, and either he (1) flat-out refuses, effectively putting him firmly on his way to a HeelFaceTurn, or (2) gleefully obliges, only to get curb-stomped again and cement his status as the ultimate jerkass. |
| 493 | |
| 494 | * Jossed. He is a pupil, but not exactly a star one. He definitely ranks below Hawk and Tory [[spoiler: and eventually Robby]]. |
| 495 | |
| 496 | [[WMG: If Mike Barnes do appear in the show at some point, they will differentiate him from Johnny Lawrence]] |
| 497 | ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII'' was criticized for rehashing the first film with Mike Barnes being Johnny Lawrence 2.0, if he were to appear in the show, they have to differentiate him from Johnny Lawrence and the character will serve as a {{Foil}} for Johnny Lawrence. |
| 498 | * [[spoiler: Confirmed in Season 5. Mike Barnes is now a furniture salesman. While there is a moment of badassery towards the end, he has mellowed out a lot and not held onto the past.]] |
| 499 | |
| 500 | [[WMG: There will be a LampshadeHanging on Terry Silver's actor being younger than Daniel LaRusso's actor]] |
| 501 | Thomas Ian Griffith is younger than Ralph Macchio, despite the fact that Silver is meant to be about the same age as Kreese, so what if one of Cobra Kai students said like "Man! You age rather well, Sensei Silver" or "You're a War Veteran?! I thought you were same age as [=LaRusso=] or Lawrence!" or Something. |
| 502 | |
| 503 | [[WMG: The Terry Silver Arc will have a twist]] |
| 504 | Kreese will call Terry for help in Season 4, but the help he'll get won't be what he expected, and this will lead to his VillainousBreakdown and him finally losing to Daniel and Johnny. |
| 505 | |
| 506 | * Half-confirmed. There is a twist, but Kreese doesn't lose to Johnny and Daniel. Terry has a mental breakdown from Kreese's manipulation and the knowledge that Kreese will never consider his life debt repaid, turns back into the giggling madman from ''III'', frames Kreese for an attempted murder and takes over Cobra Kai. |
| 507 | |
| 508 | [[WMG: We already know the new dojo's mascot]] |
| 509 | What animal kills snakes? Bert's (correct) answer isn't just a one-off punchline: Johnny and Daniel's new logo will feature a mongoose. |
| 510 | * Jossed. Johnny doesn't believe mongooses exist. The new dojo is Eagle Fang. Yes, eagles don't have fangs. Just roll with it. |
| 511 | |
| 512 | [[WMG: One of Season 4's main themes will be the mixing of fighting styles and philosophies.]] |
| 513 | * As explicitly pointed out by Sam and Miguel in season 3 episode 9, despite coming together to work towards a common goal (taking out Kreese's Cobra Kai) their natural OpposingCombatPhilosophies are inevitably going to cause conflict and friction between their senseis and their training. Johnny and Daniel will struggle throughout the season to find a true balance between their styles. |
| 514 | * Despite Robby now being dedicated to Cobra Kai, he may still occasionally fall back on the teachings he learned under Daniel. That may even have partially been a reason why Kreese wanted him in Cobra Kai. |
| 515 | ** And being the only other student to have a connection to all three sensei, he will be the type of Bringer of Hope that was often attributed to Alli in the wake of the second season climax. |
| 516 | ** Somewhat confirmed in the latest Season 4 trailer, Robby is shown teaching the other Cobra Kai students Miyagi-Do techniques because according to him,"To beat the enemy, it helps to know the enemy's playbook." |
| 517 | ** Fully confirmed as of the release of Season 4, Robby doesn't merely "fall back" on Daniel's teachings, he actively teaches them to the rest of Cobra Kai in an effort to give them the skills to beat Miyagi-Do, and all of this is not just tolerated, but outright encouraged by Kreese. |
| 518 | |
| 519 | [[WMG: Johnny will start working at Daniel's dealership]] |
| 520 | Johnny is assumably still unemployed at the end of Season 3, but now that he and Daniel are teaching karate together, Daniel may be willing to offer Johnny a job. |
| 521 | |
| 522 | [[WMG: Hawk and Moon will make up and reconcile in Season 4]] |
| 523 | * Given Hawk's HeelFaceTurn in the finale of Season 3 and rekindling his friendship with Demetri, next season we'll be seeing Hawk apologizing to Moon for his actions in season 2 and hopefully the two can either be friends again or start over, like Sam and Miguel did. |
| 524 | ** [[spoiler:Confirmed. Moon gives Hawk the motivation he needs to defeat Kyler in the tournament by kissing him.]] |
| 525 | |
| 526 | [[WMG: Aisha will return for Season 4 and join her friends in Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang]] |
| 527 | * If Nicole Brown is brought back for Season 4, we'll be seeing Aisha come back to the Cobra Kai dojo, only to see that none of her friends, save for Tory, are there and that Kreese is running it. After seeing how Kreese operates Cobra Kai, Aisha leaves and eventually someone from the Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang will find her, fill her in on the situation, and after Aisha reconciles with Sam, she joins her friends. |
| 528 | * Alternatively, Sam or any of Cobra Kai's former students will fill her in on the events of Season 3 offscreen and Aisha joins in after reconciling with Sam. |
| 529 | * jossed. Aisha and Sam reconcile, but Aisha's appearance is limited to giving Sam one pep talk. |
| 530 | |
| 531 | [[WMG: Julie will show up for Season 4]] |
| 532 | * Somehow, Julie from ''Next'' will catch word of the All Valley tournament going on and how Miyagi-Do is involved. Somehow, she shows up at the Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang dojo volunteering to help train since Miyagi was her mentor too and this will lead to a few interesting interactions between Daniel and Julie, along with some with Johnny and possibly with Amanda. |
| 533 | ** For example: |
| 534 | --> '''Julie:''' Daniel [=LaRusso=]?\ |
| 535 | '''Daniel:''' Who wants to know?\ |
| 536 | '''Julie:''' I do. You trained under Mr. Miyagi, right?\ |
| 537 | '''Daniel:''' I did. How do you know him?\ |
| 538 | '''Julie:''' I trained under him also. You happen to know where he is?\ |
| 539 | '''Daniel:''' I'm sorry, he's long gone. Who are you, exactly?\ |
| 540 | '''Julie:''' Julie Pierce. I heard Miyagi-Do's gonna be part of the All Valley tournament comin up soon and I figured I'd help since he was my teacher too. Think you got enough room for me? |
| 541 | ** Jossed; she hasn't appeared as of Season 5. |
| 542 | |
| 543 | [[WMG: Kreese will be defeated at the end of Season 4 and Robby will become the DragonAscendant]] |
| 544 | The setup for Season 4 makes it look like the final season, with the All Valley being the final battle for the soul of the Valley with a rematch between Miguel and Robby. However, the creators of the show have said they have plans for at least 6 seasons, so I think season 4 will have Kreese defeated and keeping his word to leave for good (or maybe being DrivenToSuicide) but leaving Cobra Kai to Robby as a last act of revenge against Johnny, to ruin their chances at reconciling. Robby will have to deal with the pressure of running a business at his age and deciding what kind of philosophy he wants Cobra Kai to have, paralleling Johnny's arc in the first 2 seasons. |
| 545 | * Robby could also become a DragonWithAnAgenda or TheStarscream, learning what he can from Kreese to enact his own revenge against everyone, [[SocietyIsToBlame believing society caused all their problems with themselves and each other in the first place,]] [[OrderVersusChaos from the controlling but incompetent political correctness to the bullies who continue what the former was trying to stop.]] Taking advantage of [[DeliberateValuesDissonance being much more familar with his generation than Johnny or Kreese are.]] |
| 546 | * [[spoiler:Zig-zagged. While Kreese does indeed appear to be defeated by the end of Season 4 (at least for now), it is not Robby who becomes his Dragon Ascendant. On the contrary, it is Terry Silver, who frames Kreese to get him arrested so that he can usurp control of the dojo from him.]] |
| 547 | |
| 548 | [[WMG: Kreese will instruct Robby to "break [Miguel's] back."]] |
| 549 | Robby will face Miguel again in the All Valley Tournament where Kreese will instruct him to reaggravate Miguel's spinal injury to insure him the win. Robby is by shocked by this but complies, mirroring how his father was instructed to "sweep the leg" back in the 1984 tournament. |
| 550 | * Jossed. Miguel does injure his back, but it's a self-inflicted injury, and not particularly severe. |
| 551 | [[WMG: Hawk’s beatdown of Brucks left the latter with major facial damage]] |
| 552 | Before he became Hawk, Eli was bullied relentlessly for his lip scar. Immediately prior to Hawk finishing him, Brucks is shown to have a bloody mouth. While we don’t see the aftermath of the NoHoldsBarredBeatdown, the reactions of the other students and Hawk’s bloody fists let us know that it wasn’t a pretty sight. What better karma for a bully who teased someone else over a lip scar than for them to receive a lip scar of their own. |
| 553 | |
| 554 | [[WMG: Robby's role in the next All Valley Karate Tournament will mirror Johnny's from the first movie, complete with being physically assaulted for coming in second and leaving Cobra Kai as a result.]] |
| 555 | * Jossed. Funnily enough Robby's arc in season 4 mirror's Johnny's in season 1. |
| 556 | |
| 557 | * Funnily enough, Robby's arc in season 4 mirrors Johnny's from season 1, attempting to mentor a bullied kid only for said kid to take to the Cobra Kai creed like a fish to water and become an absolute monster. |
| 558 | |
| 559 | [[WMG: Silver will have a DragonAscendant arc at the end of season four as a result of Kreese undergoing CharacterDevelopment, ending up in jail or dying.]] |
| 560 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed. Silver betrays Kreese and sets him up to get arrested by beating up Stingray and forcing him to claim Kreese did it in order for him to rejoin Cobra Kai after Kreese rejected him.]] |
| 561 | |
| 562 | [[WMG: Hawk and Demetri will eventually get their own Spin-Off with a college setting]] |
| 563 | Possibly with Aisha, Yasmine and Moon as supporting characters. |
| 564 | |
| 565 | [[WMG: There will be a RunningGag of people telling Terry Silver [[DawsonCasting he looks too young to have fought in Vietnam.]]]] |
| 566 | |
| 567 | [[WMG: Lucas Schwarber will become a regular character]] |
| 568 | While catching up with Johnny, Ali volunteers a considerable amount of information about her son Lucas, including interests, personality, what sports he plays and the fact that he is 17... like all the main teenage characters in the show. This may be laying the groundwork for Lucas to come stay with his grandparents and attend West Valley High in season 4. |
| 569 | |
| 570 | [[WMG: Daniel will take over training Miguel]] |
| 571 | Johnny doesn't want Miguel to fight in the All Valley due to his injury setting him back and the risk of aggravating his spine. Daniel will start training Miguel in the more defensive style of Miygai-Do which will give him a better chance of competing with a lower risk of something happening. Daniel can also teach Miguel had to get through any mental blocks Miguel might have, similar to how he helped Sam get through her mental block. |
| 572 | * Confirmed! Miguel does do a lot of training with Miyagi-Do, and becomes a part of the [=LaRusso=] family in his capacity as Sam's boyfriend. |
| 573 | |
| 574 | [[WMG: A relative of Kreese's girlfriend Betsy will appear.]] |
| 575 | |
| 576 | [[WMG: If Anthony becomes more prominent, he'll have some sort of encounter with Tory's brother.]] |
| 577 | |
| 578 | [[WMG: The name 'Eagle Fang' is not going to stick.]] |
| 579 | Since the dojo's inception, many people (including its own students) have commented on how [[TotallyRadical garish]] its name is. Even its motto ("Bite like an eagle.") is seen as rather bizarre as eagles do not have teeth. Johnny will consider some new potential titles like "Eagle Claw" or "Soaring Eagle" or "Film/IronEagle" (Daniel will explain to Johnny about working around copyright laws). |
| 580 | |
| 581 | [[WMG: Tory is going to get her own juvie arc similar to Robby's. Basically a DistaffCounterpart]] |
| 582 | * Jossed. As of season 4, Tory is in therapy, has found someone to help care for her mom, is back in school, and generally seems to be doing better than ever. |
| 583 | |
| 584 | [[WMG: Robby could have a brain injury.]] |
| 585 | He was knocked out cold for several minutes at the end of Season 3, meaning he could have a fairly significant concussion that he likely won't be getting proper diagnosis or treatment for. Watch it further degrade his emotional and physical health in Season 4. On the bright side, if it affects his fighting too much, it will at least get him away from Kreese. |
| 586 | |
| 587 | [[WMG: Freddy Fernandez will be the main villain of the final season]] |
| 588 | He was the real person who started the feud between Johnny and Daniel. |
| 589 | |
| 590 | [[WMG: Both Daniel and Johnny will learn from each other's teaching method to improve their instruction abilities.]] |
| 591 | * Confirmed! By the end of season 4, all the top fighters are using some form of hybrid style. |
| 592 | |
| 593 | [[WMG: Kreese will have a feud with a Las Vegas BJJ dojo]] |
| 594 | Specifically, the [[https://it-it.facebook.com/cobrakaijj/ Cobra Kai Jiu Jitsu Academy]]. |
| 595 | |
| 596 | [[WMG: Kreese will instruct Tory to injure Miguel's leg in the semifinals like he instructed Bobby to injure Daniel's leg in the original movie.]] |
| 597 | |
| 598 | * Jossed. The All-Valley is split into male and female classes, and Tory and Miguel never face each other. The Miyagi-Do practicioner Tory fights is Sam, but even there, Kreese encourages her to follow her conscience on whether she wants to try for a cheap shot or not, while Silver is the one pushing for a deliberate injury. |
| 599 | |
| 600 | [[WMG:Ava Schwarber will become Robby's Love Interest]] |
| 601 | As of the end of season 3, Robby's LoveInterests are Sam and Tory, who both present problems: Tory is a psycho and Sam is back with Miguel. Absent any sort of redemption for Tory, the show will TakeAThirdOption and introduce Ava, Ali's daugther, as the endgame for Robby. This will also mean that history will repeat but with a happier ending than for Johnny and Ali. |
| 602 | ** Jossed. Season 3 is [=Robby/Tory=] all the way. |
| 603 | |
| 604 | [[WMG:Kreese was planning on using self defence laws (such as Castle Doctrine) to justify [[spoiler: murdering Daniel and Johnny in the Cobra-Kai dojo]]]] |
| 605 | |
| 606 | Throughout season 3, Kreese has shown himself quite savvy about the law, manipulating it to his advantage and purposely provokes Daniel, Johnny, and their associates into acting he ways he can slam them with legal ramifications. This leads to an interesting question; what was Kreese's plan to [[spoiler: get away with killing Daniel (and possibly Johnny) during the season finale? It could be entirely possible both his suffocating Johnny in a necklock (once again) and his comment about Daniel going to 'meet Mr. Miyagi soon' were done in the heat of the moment, but it begs the question what his end goal luring them both to the dojo was. To beat them up and send a message? No, there's another angle to consider: Castle Doctrine. American law states that use of fatal force is allowed should the victim initially threaten fatal force to another individual in a space they legally own (such as a house or business). Kreese has shown time and time again his willingness to manipulate the law in his favour. If Kreese murdered Daniel, and was to go to court and argue in defence of his actions, he could use Castle Doctrine to show that Daniel was physically assaulting him in his place of business, with possible intent to kill; indeed, even with the other [=LaRusso=]'s attempting to sue the Cobra Kai students for the assault on their house, Kreese can easily claim plausible deniability and argue even if that was the case, it doesn't justify Daniel attempting to murder him. Indeed, it's possible that Kreese purposely set up the whole situation to make it look like Daniel was overreacting to what would ultimately amount to a lesser crime. Combined with his pre-existing restraining order against Amanda, Kreese has the deck stacked well in his favour to make Daniel look guilty.]] |
| 607 | * As for Johnny, Kreese has the perfect motive to pin on him as well: [[spoiler: Robby. Kreese could exploit Johnny's desire to rescue his son. Kreese would look like a valiant protector who was simply trying to defend Robby, and make Johnny look like he was attempting to take Robby forcefully, perhaps even pointing out how Johnny picked up the sai to drive the point home. The worst part? If called as a witness, Robby could possibly go along with this plan, since he's become more sympathetic to Kreese and has come to completely detest Johnny. Essentially, if Kreese ended making the kill on both Daniel and Johnny, he has ample ways ways to make ''both'' of them look guilty for breaking and entering with intent to kill.]] |
| 608 | |
| 609 | [[WMG:Demetri will try to act as a MoralityPet to Robby in Season 4]] |
| 610 | Demetri is the one person Robby was close to/friends with on the Miyagi Do/Eagle Fang side that he doesn't have beef with. Demetri will try to reach out to/get through to Robby throughout Season 4 or if not that then at least during the tournament before a major match. |
| 611 | ** Jossed. Demetri and Robby fight in the All-Valley, and Demetri's ability to actually land a single point on Robby is treated as a herculean accomplishment and sign of how far is come. Otherwise, they do not interact. |
| 612 | |
| 613 | [[WMG: Aisha will return and try to act as a MoralityPet to Tory in Season 4]] |
| 614 | Aisha had bonded with Tory quite well in Season 2 and was given many PetTheDog moments including but not limited to initially trying to break up the school brawl and not siding with Kreese post brawl. Aisha will return, align herself with Miyagi Do/Eagle Fang, but will simultaneously try to reach out to Tory and get through to her. |
| 615 | ** Jossed. Aisha does return, but it's to give a pep talk to Sam. She never interacts with Tory, and, as far as we know, has no clue about Tory's existence. |
| 616 | |
| 617 | [[WMG: Cobra Kai occurs in an alternate timeline where UFC 1 never happened]] |
| 618 | A theory suggested by MMA coach [[https://youtu.be/gCUPo959Tow Ramsay Dewey]] (who is a fan of the show) is that the culture of the martial arts in the Valley is the same as the culture surrounding it during the '80s. While UsefulNotes/BrazilianJiuJitsu clearly exists, it is a much more underground phenomenon than it is in the modern day since MMA and the UFC never took off. Coincidentally, this also has wrestlers like Kyler being a lot less respected than they would be by other martial artists (where some variant of wrestling, be it freestyle, collegiate, or a form of jacketed grappling like judo or sambo is a pre-requisite to fighting MMA), specifically when Kreese calls Kyler (a high school wrestler able to use those skills) untrained. The only explanation for the martial arts culture remaining the way it did is that UFC 1 never happened and the modern sport of UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts doesn't exist. If it does exist, without the UFC, MMA never reached the level of mainstream acceptance that it did in our reality and is an underground phenomena no one in the Valley would know or care about outside of a few hardcore fans. |
| 619 | |
| 620 | [[WMG: Sarah will join the Eagle Fang/Miyagi-Do alliance in Season 4]] |
| 621 | Despite losing her initiation match against Tory and being subsequently absent for the rest of Season 3, Gissette Valentin's character Sarah had a relatively strong presence along with Kyler and Brucks when Kreese was out recruiting students. Since she is no longer welcomed into Cobra Kai, she'll instead join Eagle Fang, possibly for a chance to get revenge on Tory for clipping her tooth. |
| 622 | |
| 623 | [[WMG: Kreese will somehow win in Season 4]] |
| 624 | He has to, or else he will come down in history as the most pathetic villain onscreen. Other than his Vietnam war flashback, Kreese hasn't done anything successful throughout the entire franchise. |
| 625 | ** Considering this is Kreese we're talking about, expect heavy cheating/bribery/blackmail/whatever dirty trick he can come up with to seal their victory. |
| 626 | ** Well he did lead Cobra Kai to three straight All Valley Championship wins before 1984, so it's inaccurate to say he hasn't done ANYTHING successful. |
| 627 | ** [[spoiler: Mostly confirmed. Cobra Kai does win the tournamet, but because of Silver paying off the tournment ref, and he betrays Kreese and takes Cobra Kai from him afterward.]] |
| 628 | |
| 629 | [[WMG: Tory will attempt to murder someone else in Season 4... and succeed.]] |
| 630 | My best guess is either one of the Miyagi-Fang Students or possibly Sam's little brother. This will finally cement Tory and the Cobra Kai as being beyond redemption and result in the mother of all {{NoHoldsBarredBeatdown}} coming their way in retribution. |
| 631 | ** [[spoiler: Jossed.]] |
| 632 | |
| 633 | [[WMG: Conversly, Tory and the others will have a HeelRealization after almost murdering someone.]] |
| 634 | Sadly unlikely considering that Tory is a raging psycho, Kyler is a thug and the rest of the gang were explicitly gleeful all the carnage they were causing. All of this on top of Kreese repeatedly telling them to go out and commit crimes. The Cobras won't change unless they are forced to and the only way that will happen is if Kreese is taken out of the picture and they get a beating. |
| 635 | ** Or after her mother dies, Tory's grief will set her on a terrible path, encouraged by Kreese, until it ends in her nearly killing someone and going to juvie. |
| 636 | [[WMG: Season 4 will reveal that Robby & Miguel as well as Tory & Sam are not so different.]] |
| 637 | Similar to Johnny and Daniel they will get into a situation where they have to spend quality time together and are going to discover that they have lots in common and the potential for a great friendship. While they won’t become friends immediately their rivalry will move into a healthier direction or maybe Tory and Sam will develop a dynamic like [[WesternAnimation/KimPossible Kim and Shego]]. They try to take each other down but have moments were they act civil bordering on friendly to each other. |
| 638 | ** Why would Sam act friendly towards the madwoman who lead a gang attack on her house and has tried to murder her twice? |
| 639 | ** There are multiple stories where enemies became friends even though one person tried to murder the other person. The only reason why Sam & Tory are rivals is because they got off on the wrong foot and most of their fights are actually about Miguel. |
| 640 | ** It's gone beyond a rivalry with Tory's attempted murder of Sam and her friends and attacking her home. Tory has also given Sam precisely ''zero'' reasons to forgive or befriend her. If anything, Sam would want to see Tory ''locked up'' so she can't hurt Sam's friends and family anymore. |
| 641 | ** Well I think we should just wait and see. You must remember that the writers are always in for a surprise. The hostility between Tory and Sam was largely the product of negative first impressions and jealousy. There is also the fact that Tory thinks that Sam is a privileged RichBitch who doesn’t realize that some people live a hard life. The irony is that while Sam did grow up in a wealthy family, she definitely does know some people who have had it harsher than other people, including Robby (absentee or neglectful parents), Miguel (father not in the picture), and her own dad (who grew up in similar circumstances to Tory). |
| 642 | [[WMG: Brucks will join Cobra Kai in Season 4]] |
| 643 | At the end of season 3, Cobra Kai is lacking in terms of named members that can be a legit threat at 3-4 in Tori, Kyler, Robby, and maybe Doug, compared to Miyagi-Fang's 6 of Miguel, Sam, Hawk, Demetri, Mitch, and Chris. Bringing back Kyler's friend Brucks would remedy this and have a built in rivalry with Hawk as well. Bruck being as phyically powerful as he is would make for a terryfying opponent with proper training. |
| 644 | * Dude's a PaperTiger and an absolute utter braggart (as clearly shown when the skinny Hawk turned him into mulch). Besides, Kreese made it abundantly clear by his track record that the ''only'' way you ''don't'' get booted after losing just once is if you're still of use to him. Count on Robby, Kyler, and Tory to find this out the painful way, as Mitch did. |
| 645 | |
| 646 | [[WMG:Terry Silver will either change the rules of the All Valley or bring in outside fighters to replace everyone]] |
| 647 | The initial plan of Terry's, the convoluted "pretend to be a coach only to betray Daniel" scheme only works once (or in this case, never). With that option out of the way, Silver will need to find a way to help his old sensei win the tournament that won't involve tricking people ready for him. If Silver is still the same multi-millionaire that he was in 1985, then we have to assume he can supply Cobra Kai with a near limitless source of money. More importantly, he has the influence to sway the police, city officials, and maybe tournament officials to his side. They won’t be evil, but they may begin turning a blind eye to all the bad things the Cobra Kai students are doing (we saw already how easily Kreese did this during the meeting to reinstate the tournament). If he has influence over the officials regulating the tournament, he could get under Daniel's skin that way (since Daniel sits on the board) while changing the rules to benefit Cobra Kai. And with his unlimited funds, he could certainly bolster Cobra Kai's depleted ranks by giving Robby and Tory additional allies in the form of competitive veterans from the karate circuit, allowing them overwhelm the motley crew that is Eagle Fang and Miyagi-Do. He certainly has the money to go through with either option. |
| 648 | * If this happens, perhaps Daniel will try to do the same by bringing in Chozen's Miyagi-Do to level the playing field. |
| 649 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed. It's revealed at the end of Season 4 that Terry paid off the ref to give favorable rulings to Cobra Kai Dojo during the tournament, resulting in them winning it. And Daniel, not knowing that Silver cheated, brings Chozen to Miyagi-Do, because doesn't plan on honoring the bet of shutting the Dojo down.]] |
| 650 | |
| 651 | |
| 652 | [[WMG:Terry Silver will take advantage of Johnny not knowing him]] |
| 653 | It may be possible for Terry to pull similar antics to what he pulled with Daniel under Daniel's nose with Miguel, and Johnny innocently going along with it. There's no way they aren't going to capitalize on the lack of knowledge Johnny has regarding Silver compared to Daniel, especially since they made such a point of Johnny being all "I don't know who the hell that is or what the hell you're talking about" when he was contesting Cobra Kai's ban from participation in the All Valley tournament. |
| 654 | |
| 655 | Given there's likely to be conflict between Daniel and Johnny working together in the same dojo, Silver could befriend Johnny under a guise and help drive a wedge between the two of them, sowing seeds of doubt and mistrust that Sam/Miguel and some of the other cross-party friendships (Miguel, Hawk and Demetri) have to try to fight through. |
| 656 | ** [[spoiler: Jossed. In fact, it's Kreese showing he really cares out Johnny that convices Silver to betray him and take over Cobra Kai at the end of Season 4. Silver does use Johnny's not knowing his fighting style to kick his ass, but that's it.]] |
| 657 | |
| 658 | [[WMG:Terry Silver will train Robby]] |
| 659 | If Kreese is bringing Silver in to train the Cobra Kais, Silver would be best to introduce to Robby and Tory. Both Robby and Tory are unhinged and in a very dangerous place, and Silver training them would make him the Palpatine of this show. |
| 660 | |
| 661 | * Confirmed! |
| 662 | |
| 663 | |
| 664 | [[WMG:Terry Silver will have married Elizabeth Anne Rooney]] |
| 665 | And she will be a silat black belt. |
| 666 | |
| 667 | * Jossed, although Rooney does eventually appear. Silver does have a significantly younger girlfriend, but she is an ambiguously brown woman named Cheyenne, who is big into mindfulness and veganism, rather than martial arts. |
| 668 | [[WMG:Samantha [=LaRusso=] vs. Robby Keene will be the Finals matchup in the All-Valley Tournament for season 4]] |
| 669 | |
| 670 | While Miguel may be a great fighter, he's not 100% recovered from his injuries in the school brawl. Not to mention, while season 3 didn't really touch on it, there's probably some serious emotional damage for Miguel to work through. So as ideal as it would be to see a rematch between him and Robby, it's more likely Miguel either doesn't participate or he gets eliminated early. |
| 671 | |
| 672 | It would make more sense, therefore, for Samantha to be Miyagi-Fang's fighter in the Finals, as given their personal history, there's big emotional stakes for her to fight someone who used to be her ally and is now on the side of her enemy. |
| 673 | |
| 674 | Samantha making it to the Finals and possibly winning the whole thing also makes sense in general as she's literally the most experienced karate student on the show right now. |
| 675 | |
| 676 | It would also be poetic for the Finals match to be Johnny's son vs. Daniel's daughter. |
| 677 | |
| 678 | * Jossed. The tournament is split into male and female classes. Sam faces Tory in the female finals, and Robby goes up against Hawk. |
| 679 | |
| 680 | [[WMG:Sam and Miguel will be acting as peacekeepers between the students and senseis of Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang]] |
| 681 | |
| 682 | First off, Sam and Miguel are already the reason the kids of Johnny's and Daniel's dojos were able to get together to make an alliance. It stands to reason that they are going to be the ones most responsible for trying to keep their senseis on the same side. |
| 683 | |
| 684 | Secondly it was Johnny and Daniel that tore Miguel and Sam apart the first time. This time around it will be Miguel and Sam bringing them together instead, "flipping the script" as it were from season 1. They tore them apart just for them to ultimately be the ones whose relationship keeps Johnny and Daniel together. |
| 685 | |
| 686 | [[WMG:Miyagi-Do will eventually shut down and its current students will end the show as members of Cobra Kai]] |
| 687 | Johnny obviously will eventually take back Cobra Kai before the show ends. In addition, Daniel is likely to eventually shutter Miyagi-Do since as far as we know, before season 2, he never had Miyagi-Do open as an academy to teach karate (it seems like he only taught Sam in private when she was little), and the only reason he opened Miyagi-Do was to "protect" the valley from Johnny's Cobra Kai. Not to mention, Sam being in Cobra Kai has been hinted at a few times (Aisha told her she should join on a few occasions, and said she could get her a Cobra Kai |
| 688 | |
| 689 | [[WMG: Johnny will eventually retake Cobra-Kai and the Dojos will split up again.]] |
| 690 | Kreese and Silver will wage a guerrilla war against the combined dojos during season 4, attacking them in their homes, schools and jobs leading up to their arrests after the All-valley tournament. With Kreese and Silver gone, Johnny and his students will retake the Cobra-Kai name. Robby will refuse to join and instead will return to his criminal past, working with Mike Barnes and some other former Cobras. Johnny will urge moderation while he tries to redeem his son while Daniel, struggling with aggression after a lifetime of playing defense, will advocate for vigilantism against these criminals. This ideological divide and role-reversal will end the alliance between Johnny and Daniel. |
| 691 | |
| 692 | [[WMG: Miguel learning the drum technique]] |
| 693 | |
| 694 | In "Feel the Night," Miguel notices the Okinawan hand drum from ''Film/TheKarateKidPartII'', prompting Samantha to show him the drum technique. In season 2, Robby had found the drum, and Daniel even commented about how it "saved my life". Both Miguel and Robby have interactions with the toy drum, but Chozen's return happens in the season where Miguel finds the drum. |
| 695 | |
| 696 | Perhaps, much like the first All-Valley, and the school brawl, Robby and Miguel will engage in a no holds barred match in the coming season. The drum will once again make another appearance, either through the teachings of Daniel through Eagle Fang and Miyagi Do; or some other form. The show has been secretly foreshadowing this battle from the getgo, and it will be the most destructive one yet. Miguel and Robby will engage in a fight so brutal that it will be paralleled with Daniel's match with Chozen, and the drum technique will be used by Miguel during their fight. The show likes to recreate the moments of the movies through similar, but different means. (Miguel and Hawk fighting dirty of their own accord against Robby during the All-Valley vs. Bobby and Johnny being ordered by Kreese to cheat when they fight Daniel in ''The Karate Kid''). So it's not a stretch they could also recreate this classic moment as well. |
| 697 | |
| 698 | [[WMG:Kreese will be teaching Robby to counteract Miyagi-Do's "secret moves"]] |
| 699 | So far, Miyagi-Do's "secret techniques" have been presented as unbeatable moves - Crane Kick, Drum Technique, Double-Legged Kick, nerve blocking and so on. No doubt Kreese has been observering a pattern of sorts here and he might use it to his advantage. |
| 700 | |
| 701 | To begin with, Daniel never got around to teaching Robby the drum technique, while Samantha taught Miguel the drum technique. Kreese could use that to create further distance between Robby and Daniel. Robby's a very fast learner (recall that Daniel didn't exactly teach Robby the double-legged kick either; Robby learned that by watching him try). |
| 702 | |
| 703 | So Kreese could tell him that Daniel never taught him the secret Miyagi techniques because he never truly trusted him. Because despite appearances, he never actually considered Robby a "worthy" student. But he is teaching those techniques now...to Miguel, because he has much more respect for Miguel, both as an All-Valley champion but also as his daughter's boyfriend. This would, no doubt, further fuel Robby's rage and hatred. |
| 704 | |
| 705 | Next step would be Kreese teaching Robby to counter such moves. So that if Miguel or Samantha pulls out those moves, Robby ends up countering them. This would act as an homage to ''The Karate Kid Part II'' where Chozen managed to no-sell Daniel's Crane Kick. |
| 706 | |
| 707 | [[WMG:Demetri's season 2 storyline was originally intended for Anthony]] |
| 708 | In season 2, Demetri tentatively joins Miyagi-Do. He's smart enough to recognize the purpose of WaxOnWaxOff, but too cynical to believe it'll actually work for him. He and Daniel initially don't mesh well as teacher and student, but because Daniel is patient and doesn't give up on him, they eventually have a breakthrough after which Demetri is able to actually absorb what he's being taught and then successfully uses those lessons in order to defend himself when needed. |
| 709 | |
| 710 | This storyline could have easily worked for ''Anthony''. Going off his scenes in season 1, the various occasions where he shows no interest in karate or spending time with his dad could easily be seen as the writers having laid the groundwork for a season 2 where he's reluctant but willing to take up karate lessons when he starts getting picked on by some new Cobra Kai students (Chris and Mitch). |
| 711 | |
| 712 | In this version of season 2, Demetri would've joined Cobra Kai for real, but tensions between him and Hawk would still rise throughout the season as Demetri wouldn't really gel with Johnny's or Kreese's teachings, and Hawk would still fall deeper and deeper into Kreese's philosophies. Hawk would then turn on Demetri in the middle of the school fight, but their physical fight would lead to the same outcome. Later in the episode Demetri would not be seen among the Cobra Kai students who sided with Kreese, and in the season 3 opener it would be established that Demetri had switched over to Miyagi-Do. |
| 713 | |
| 714 | Perhaps part of the reason Demetri was originally intended to join Cobra Kai was because the writers wanted a comedic relief character there to combat the more serious material being explored thanks to Kreese coming back. When that void was left after the writers changed their minds about Demetri being in Cobra Kai, they plugged that gap by creating Stingray, which could explain why Stingray feels a bit out of place. |
| 715 | |
| 716 | There's also [[https://youtu.be/EDe9CAB8iHA this deleted scene]] from the season one finale where Anthony feigns interest in karate to try and get Daniel to buy him something. It doesn't prove anything on its own, it would have been an interesting / ironic bit of foreshadowing if the writers had taken the route of Anthony learning karate in season 2. |
| 717 | |
| 718 | Something else to back up the possibility that Demetri's story may have at least partially been what was intended for Anthony maybe relates to how Demetri's relationship with Sam evolves. He and Sam form [[LikeBrotherAndSister a pseudo-sibling bond]] of sorts over the course of Seasons 2 and 3. She is real protective of Demetri, as if she was his older sister. Perhaps that's because Anthony was originally supposed to join and have that sibling bond with Sam, but factors like the age difference between the actors[[note]]Mary Mouser is at least ten years older than Griffin Santopietro, who plays Anthony; while Gianni [=DeCenzo=] is only three or four years younger than Mouser[[/note]] and Mary Mouser having better screen chemistry with Gianni [=DeCenzo=] than Griffin Santopietro led to the decision to replace Anthony with Demetri.[[note]]And while it's not very relevant, it's worth noting that the only two people that Mary Mouser did chemistry reads with in her audition were Ralph Macchio and Xolo Mariduena, which says that Sam's relationship with her dad and her romance with Miguel were the only real major relationships for her that they wanted to make sure Mouser had chemistry with. The same is true of Mariduena, who only did chemistry reads with Mouser and William Zabka. The others seem to be bonus hit or miss.[[/note]] |
| 719 | |
| 720 | Admittedly there are a few things working against this in the actual show. The first is the mall fight, but then again that seems like an easy fix. Just switch out the Cobra Kai characters who were involved (switch out Hawk with Tory, Demetri with Sam, and there's a little bit more tension and buildup to the school fight) or replace it with something completely different. It wouldn't take much to provoke Cobra Kai, so the trashing of Miyagi-Do could have still easily happened even if the mall fight never did. There's also the fact that in season 3, Demetri getting injured by Hawk in the arcade fight was key in helping Miguel realize that Cobra Kai under Kreese's management was bad and, overall, Demetri is the friend who tries to get Miguel to see the "Miyagi-Do" side of things. He is low-key instrumental in helping to steer things towards the "good" side. Anthony, with his age, likely wouldn't have that kind of insight or influence. |
| 721 | |
| 722 | [[WMG:Miguel will get his first car of his own in season 4]] |
| 723 | Miguel is 17 now, and as far as we know he doesn't have a car. Now in Season 4, he's obviously going to be spending 90% of his time probably with either Samantha and/or Johnny, who both have cars (Samantha has a BMW sedan, and Johnny has the stolen Dodge Grand Caravan). And while neither of them would mind driving Miguel, it would still be nice if he got his own ca,r that way his girlfriend nor his sensei have to also be his chauffeur. |
| 724 | |
| 725 | So there's probably 3 options for how Miguel gets his first set of wheels. |
| 726 | |
| 727 | 1. Johnny and Daniel locate the Dodge Chargers that Johnny got back in Season 1 that he wrapped. The Cobra Charger is a pretty standoutish car so it shouldn't be difficult to locate. Last we saw it, Johnny threw the keys in the window and walked away from it after the clusterfuck that happened at the end of Season 2. Obviously if this happened, they would need to remove the wrap or paint it or whatever. |
| 728 | |
| 729 | |
| 730 | 2. Miguel buys a car himself from the [=LaRusso=] dealership. The only problem with this one is that as far as we can tell, Miguel doesn't have a job and so no idea where he would even get the money for it. Daniel could offer him the family discount though (assuming Sam and Miguel stay together), but they'd still have to explain where Miguel gets the money to buy the used car from. |
| 731 | |
| 732 | 3. Daniel just gives Miguel a car. Daniel doesn't seem to care anymore that Johnny is still driving around the minivan from the trade in lot, so he technically could give Miguel a used ride from the trade-in lot. But since it would make more sense for Miguel to earn his wheels, it should tie in with Daniel somehow learning about how Miguel protected Sam from Kyler's gang back in season 1 (maybe Demetri mentions it to Daniel or something). Daniel sees that Miguel is a really good kid and as a way to thank him for taking care of his daughter he gifts him a new car. |
| 733 | ** [[spoiler: Close. Daniel teaches him how to fix a car and how to drive, but he leaves for Mexico at the end of Season 4 before he got his own car.]] |
| 734 | |
| 735 | [[WMG:Silver's way of making his reentrance]] |
| 736 | |
| 737 | In ''The Karate Kid Part III'', Terry Silver was John Kreese’s war buddy and the main antagonist. Silver played a sick mind game on Daniel for Kreese, where he pretended to take Daniel under his wing but it was truly a set up. He was able to turn Daniel against Mr. Miyagi temporarily and also tricked him into entering the tournament in order to embarrass him in public with his hired student, Mike Barnes. |
| 738 | |
| 739 | There are many theories on how he will come into the picture and how he’ll fit into the main driving story and arc of season 4. One is that Silver will be a mentor and a teacher alongside Kreese while offering his wealth, reputation and pull in the public to recruit new students to Cobra Kai and create even more opportunities for the entirety of Cobra Kai. With their star student Robby Keene traveling around town on a skateboard, the wealthy businessman will see an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. |
| 740 | |
| 741 | There is a chance Silver could gift Robby with a vehicle...from [=LaRusso=] Auto. Purchasing a vehicle for Daniel’s former pupil and reintroducing himself to the kid he tormented long ago would be a classic Terry Silver move. This scene would undoubtedly cause tension between the three and create a unique scene that could even leave the [=LaRussos=] speechless. The Miyagi-Do sensei would be in no position to refuse given Daniel likely doesn't want to give Robby yet another reason to resent him by refusing him a chance at a nice car, seeing as Robby didn’t have much of anything growing up. There’s also potential for other characters to be at the dealership when this interaction could go down, whether it be Samantha (since Daniel helped her through her fear of Tory by bringing up his own fears from the match with Mike Barnes), Amanda (as his wife), or Johnny (since season 1 made it a point that Johnny didn't know who Silver or Barnes were when he went in to contest the ban on Cobra Kai entering students into the All Valley tournament). |
| 742 | |
| 743 | * Part-Jossed. Silver does team up with Kreese and run Cobra Kai with him. He lends Robby a car at one point, but it's one of his, and its specifically so he and Tory can go to prom in style. |
| 744 | |
| 745 | [[WMG:Robby and Tory [[PairTheSpares will get together]] in season 4]] |
| 746 | |
| 747 | Robby and Tory have been shown to have so much common ground with their troubled upbringings, and their hatred for Sam and Miguel, and they're semi-flirting during the zoo theft. Plus there's a Doylist factor in hand, which is the show's tendency to put the male and female leads of a dojo in romantic relationships with each other. In season 2, this was the case for Tory and Miguel in Cobra Kai, and Sam and Robby in Miyagi-Do. Since the star couple of [[StarCrossedLovers Sam and Miguel]] are back together, they'll be the romantic pairing within Miyagi-Fang while Robby and Tory fill that role for Cobra Kai. The simplest thing for Kreese to do would be to compel Tory to seduce Robby. They already seem to gel pretty quickly as seen by their interactions during the snake theft. |
| 748 | [[spoiler: confirmed.]] |
| 749 | |
| 750 | [[WMG:Seasons 4-6 will see a shift in focus from Johnny-Miguel to Johnny-Robby and Daniel-Miguel]] |
| 751 | |
| 752 | Over the first three seasons, we've seen Johnny and Miguel's journey together, and their amazing bond as they lifted each other up, Johnny helping Miguel stand up to bullies, and Miguel helping Johnny become a better person by giving him a sense of purpose. While this was going on, his son Robby was forming a similar bond with Daniel. Daniel gave Robby the family he never had, and Robby responded with a grateful heart and showed his natural abilities as a fighter. With the way season 3 ended, with Miguel now back together with Samantha, and Robby now being groomed by Kreese to be Cobra Kai's top student, there will be a shift in focus to Miguel & Daniel, and Robby & Johnny. |
| 753 | |
| 754 | Miguel and Johnny's relationship is the heart of this show and it jumpstarted everything. However, the show is about Johnny Lawrence's redemption, and the most important (and final) piece of his redemption remains his son, Robby. Season 4 and onwards, thus, for Johnny, will focus on him repairing his relationship with Robby. He has failed in every way so far and appears to put Miguel ahead of his own son. But Miguel was also the key to Johnny finding his way to Robby. Before meeting Miguel, Johnny didn't believe in himself as a person, let alone a father. Thanks to Miguel (and Carmen and Ali), Johnny has gotten closure on the past and can work towards the life that he wants. That includes making up to Robby for their lost past and building a father/son relationship. |
| 755 | |
| 756 | It's also strange that Daniel and Miguel (the Original Karate Kid and the New Karate Kid) didn't have their first meaningful interaction until the end of Season 3. They are so similar, and they are just discovering this themselves. Not only that, but Miguel is going to be a more prominent fixture in the [=LaRussos'=] life for the forseeable future, as he's dating Daniel's daughter, and Samantha has made clear to her dad that she considers the relationship one she's willing to fight him to keep. So that means that Daniel will be training Miguel and teaching him the ways of Miyagi-Do karate. As Samantha said, "Miyagi taught karate the right way, focusing on defense," and defense-based karate is something Miguel ought to use to offset the physical setbacks from his injuries, and also teach him to be a smarter fighter (while in turn, Johnny teaches Samantha to be a smarter fighter through training her in more offense-based karate). Miguel's story in season 4 will involve him working to regain his abilities as a fighter after his injury, and Daniel will be the one who helps him get there. It will be poetic seeing the Original Karate Kid training the New Karate Kid, and their time together will lead to a moment where Daniel realizes how he had once disapproved of this wonderful kid who he now sees himself in. |
| 757 | [[WMG: Season 4 will give Tory more characterization]] |
| 758 | Right now Tory is nothing more than Samantha’s violent and spiteful rival. Season 4 will explore her as a character and reveal that she has HiddenDepths, like being extremely intelligent and creative. |
| 759 | [[WMG:Will Johnny and Daniel's alliance last?]] |
| 760 | So at the end of season 3, Johnny and Daniel have finally put aside their differences and agreed to train their students together for the next All-Valley Tournament. But it's hard to imagine they'll make it all the way to May without at least one blow-up. |
| 761 | |
| 762 | There will probably be a big falling out for at least part of the season, maybe a two to three episode arc in the first half, possibly over something as mundane as their different approaches to teaching students. After which, the show will lean heavily on Miguel and Sam to bring the senseis back together. That relationship was the glue to bring the kids together, so it will be the driving force behind bringing Johnny and Daniel back together. Johnny and Daniel's rivalry already split Miguel and Sam up once, so they will probably see it as their responsibility to bring the senseis back together by leveraging their own relationship. |
| 763 | |
| 764 | Any split will be very temporary, because at this point, the stakes are too high for Johnny to split from Daniel. They need to bring down Kreese and need to stick together to have the best chance. Kreese did try to kill Johnny again, and he was prepared to finish Daniel off with that shard of glass before Daniel neutralized him. And things have changed between Johnny and Robby as of the season 3 finale now that Robby's sided ith Kreese, so it's just as possible that Johnny's thinking about Robby's words in the season 2 finale about how he and Daniel could learn a lot from each other. |
| 765 | |
| 766 | [[WMG:Seasons 4 or 5 will start to deal with the matter of weapons and gun violence]] |
| 767 | |
| 768 | Subtle bits of weapon violence have been peppered in throughout the series -- perhaps the first blatant instance being the school fight at the end of Season 2 where Tory uses her spiked bracelet as a knuckle-duster to injure Sam. Season 3 further flirts with this idea with Daniel and Sam training with the bo staff, which Sam later uses to disarm Tory of the nunchucks she seized from the wall of the [=LaRussos=]' home dojo. In the penultimate duel between Johnny and Kreese at the Cobra Kai dojo, Johnny takes a sai from the WallOfWeapons (Amanda even made a point of [[ChekhovsGun mentioning the weapons]] when she told Daniel about her confrontation with Kreese) and was ready to end Kreese with it (and Kreese would later try the same with Johnny) before backing down when he realized he would be murdering Kreese in front of Robby. |
| 769 | |
| 770 | With the stakes only raising higher and Kreese immersing himself more and more in his soldier and "kill-or-be-killed" mentality, it's only a matter of time before he legitimately starts to consider more extreme measures to ensure that him and his Cobra Kai are the victors in this "war". After all, war should be won ''at all cost'' and as a former soldier Kreese would obviously be experienced in the use of firearms. |
| 771 | |
| 772 | [[WMG:Tory going after Sam in the school brawl wasn't just about hurting Sam, but also Miguel]] |
| 773 | So Tory sees Miguel kiss Sam at Moon's party. A rational person in Tory's position would confront her boyfriend, because Miguel's the one who has an obligation to be faithful to Tory. Instead, she chooses to attack the girl Miguel kissed, because Tory already hates Sam (and if it weren't the kiss, Tory would've found some other perceived slight to justify attacking Sam). But maybe that wasn't the only reason she targeted Sam. |
| 774 | |
| 775 | Given that for the duration of time that Miguel and Tory have been dating, he hasn't been very subtle about the fact that he's pining for Sam, perhaps Tory chose to attack Sam thinking that would be a more effective way of hurting Miguel. She could've physically attacked Miguel, but if she succeeded in seriously injuring Sam, that would be devastating to Miguel as well. Miguel damaged Tory by cheating on her, and she wanted to inflict pain on Miguel as well, most likely. Instead of making him have to deal with physical pain, though, she could kill two birds with one stone by attacking Sam, and the best way to attack someone is go after someone they care about. Miguel cares deeply about Sam, and so if Tory hurt her, Miguel would be crushed. |
| 776 | |
| 777 | This would also explain why Tory chose to orchestrate a very public attack on Sam at school in front of witnesses, rather than do it in private where there's less chance of someone else (teachers, Miguel, or Robby) intervening and stopping her: because she wanted Miguel to see her giving Sam a thrashing. It also explains why she kicks Miguel away from her after the fight begins: because she specifically didn't want Miguel getting involved as she had orchestrated the very public fight as a way to get back at him, too. This is further supported by the fact that she doesn't really fight back when Robby restrains her, but when Miguel tries to do the same, she kicks him (although she admittedly was already out of control by that point, whereas when Robby was subduing her, she hadn't yet given into her anger and was still capable of making rational judgment calls). |
| 778 | |
| 779 | [[WMG: Stingray will return in Season 4 as a more mature adult]] |
| 780 | His arrest as a result of the school fight will have been a big wake-up call for Raymond and he'll mention having to have spent the majority of Season 3 cleaning up his act while on probation. He'll occasionally delve back into his {{Manchild}} and fanboy antics but overall tries to keep himself reined in. |
| 781 | He'll resume training with Johnny in Eagle Fang but Daniel will also help Stingray by teaching him how to adhere to his adult responsibilities while still being allowed to revel in his passion for TheEighties and martial arts. |
| 782 | ** [[spoiler: Mostly confirmed. Stingray comes back, but is still an manchild who TakesALevelInJerkass.]] |
| 783 | |
| 784 | [[WMG: Doug Rickenberger is being set up to be a bigger deal for season 4 and beyond]] |
| 785 | Season 3 saw Doug get more screen time and showed him to be enough to defeat the likes of Chris twice and Demetri. He showed a new mean streak and bloodlust as well. It could be a subtle way for the writers to be building him up for season 4. In all 4 of his fights (mall fight, school brawl, laser tag ambush, and home invasion) it took Sam and Robbie to beat him, and in the last it took Hawk slamming him through a glass table and the combined might of Chris and Mitch to take him down. |
| 786 | At the end of season 3 Cobra Kai only had 3 named characters that could be considered "big names" in Tory, Robbie, and Kyler. Adding Doug would give CK more creditable bodies to throw at the overabundance of credible and named Miyagi/Eagle Fang dojos. Having Doug as a member of the "core 4" of Cobra Kai would give the dojo an already established built up character to use instead of having to introduce a new one. |
| 787 | |
| 788 | ** Unfortunately, the shows contract with Netflix meant a new stunt team so John Cihangir and Chris Schmidt Jr. will not be in Season 4. |
| 789 | |
| 790 | [[WMG: Daniel will go full PapaWolf on Tory the next time she tries to attack his family.]] |
| 791 | It's obvious that Tory isn't done hunting his daughter, given her tendency to hold petty grudges, and it wouldn't be out of character for Tory to attack Amanda or Anthony. Keeping this in mind, Daniel is going to be on the lookout for her in particular and he will be ready for her next attack. When, not if, she attacks, Daniel will be waiting and subject Tory to a brutal CurbstompBattle to show her that you do NOT mess with a man's family! |
| 792 | * I can see Daniel and Amanda confronting Tory about her actions, but I think they will take a much more calculated approach to the situation. |
| 793 | ** Perhaps if it's just a meeting, but I see it escalating to a fight regardless given that Tory has tried to kill their daughter twice and lead a gang attack on their house. At the very least, they should make it deadly clear what will happen to Tory if she tries to attack them again. |
| 794 | |
| 795 | [[WMG: Daniel will be saved by Johnny and he'll swear life debt to him.]] |
| 796 | Daniel and Johnny's friendship has been steadily building up througout the show (despite the constant raise-and-drops), which will cumulate to a pivotal moment where Johnny saves Daniel (and possibly his whole family) from Kreese and his degenerate Cobra Kai from a particularly perilous, life-and-death encounter. Daniel and Johnny will finally cement their brotherhood with Daniel truly thanking Johnny and telling him that [[IOweYouMyLife he owe him and from now on will always be there for him]] -- mirroring Kreese and Silver's experience in the Vietnam War except Johnny truly changes for the better from this point on. |
| 797 | --->'''Silver/Daniel:''' I owe you man. You saved my ass. Anything you need...I'm there for you. Your whole life. You hear me Johnny? Your whole life. I owe you. |
| 798 | |
| 799 | [[WMG: Johnny will be the one to hit Kreese right in the liver]] |
| 800 | Now hear me out on this. Johnny's always had an AnimalMotif on eagles, and like Prometheus, brought fire, in this case karate, to those who wanted to learn. After Kreese stole away the dojo in Season 2 and corrupted them into thugs. If and when Johnny and Daniel have a final battle with him in Season 4, even if Kreese is able to walk away, not only will he get a hard shot to the liver that ruptures it, he'll suffer the same CruelMercy that Mr. Miyagi gave him back in 1984: honking his nose. While he's in the hospital recovering from the fight, he may as well be Prometheus chained to the rock while Johnny is the eagle eating his liver. Bonus points for a NightmareFuel worthy MushroomSamba if while he's hopped up on pain meds he dreams one of the nurses is Johnny cutting him open. |
| 801 | |
| 802 | [[WMG: Robby is going to enter the next All Valley Tournament under a pseudonym]] |
| 803 | Having nearly crippled Miguel, the defending All Valley Champion, Robby is likely to face stigma and denunciation if he enters the next tournament under his legal name. He'll probably register as "Robert Lawrence", "Bobby Lawrence", or, more than likely, "Robert '''''Kreese"'''''' (reinforcing Kreese's twisted perception of seeing Robby as her own son/grandson and to further spite Daniel and Johnny). |
| 804 | * Same may also apply to Tory who was just as much of a (justified) scapegoat for the Season 2 school brawl as Robby. Possible aliases she could use are "Tory Silver" or [[LazilyGenderFlippedName "Teri Silver"]]. |
| 805 | ** Jossed. Both Robby and Tory enter the All-Valley in season 4 under the Cobra Kai aegis and in their own names. |
| 806 | |
| 807 | [[WMG: Miguel will be DLC in a ''Manga/KenganAshura'' fighting game]] |
| 808 | Apparently, Creator/{{Netflix}} has no issue with their various characters interacting in games if that means licensing sales, given that the cast of ''Series/StrangerThings'' made an appearance in ''VideoGame/TheSevenDeadlySinsGrandCross'', despite the two properties having nothing in common outside of being popular on Netflix. That being said, while the Cobra Kai characters wouldn't really work in an RPG, they would be right at home in a fighting game. If someone does make a ''Kengan Ashura'' fighter, Netflix will use its licensing to make Miguel a DLC fighter, which will likely have him lampshading the hell out of a teenage karateka fighting in MMA fights on behalf of massive corporations, while Johnny compares Kengan matches to ''Film/{{Bloodsport}}''. Bonus points if he's representing [=LaRusso=] Auto in said matches (although he could equally be likely to represent Doyona International). |
| 809 | |
| 810 | [[WMG: There won't be any consequences for the house fight]] |
| 811 | Lets face it, the Cobra Brats haven't faced any consequences for their crimes in the series, why start now? Besides, Storywise, the writers need them for the All Valley Tournament, so the whole HomeInvasion thing will just be swept under the rug. |
| 812 | * Confirmed: The trailers have shown the Cobra Brats are still free and attending classes. Apparently their Dojo is immune to consequences. |
| 813 | |
| 814 | [[WMG: Shawn Payne will join Cobra Kai]] |
| 815 | Let's be real—that bastard is '''''Cobra Kai material'''''. He's not only a vicious bully compared to the likes of Kyler (perhaps even worse, considering he's in juvie for a reason), but his sheer size and apparent skill as a brawler more than compensates for his lack of martial arts experience. After all, he did give Robby one hell of a fight (despite the fact that the former is perhaps the second-best next generation fighter in the Miyagi-verse), [[WorthyOpponent and even showed a degree of respect to him after finding out that neither of them snitched]]. With Hawk fully defected to the Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang alliance, Kreese would need a replacement, and Robby would be willing to bring in an upgrade like Shawn onto the dojo. He would certainly be an ideal counterpart for Chris, the large black student in Miyagi-Do. |
| 816 | * Jossed, although Shawn's little brother Kenny ''does'' join after being told by Shawn to seek out Robby for help with dealing with bullies. |
| 817 | * Also Shawn is in juvie because he was defending his little brother from a theif, and the justice system being what it is, Shawn got punished for essentially being a big black kid. |
| 818 | |
| 819 | [[WMG:Miguel and Sam will have an honest conversation about what went wrong for them in season 1]] |
| 820 | Miguel and Sam need to have an open and honest conversation of what went wrong when they dated in Season 1. Before they can really move on and strengthen their relationship, it is important for them to understand why it went south so quickly in Season 1 beyond the Doylist reason of "deliberate miscommunication between the main couple so that they are separated because of misunderstandings and not a change of feelings or heart". The audience understands what happened but there's many things that Miguel and Sam don't know about one another. |
| 821 | |
| 822 | '''Miguel:''' First Miguel needs to explain to Sam how her hesitancy to introduce him to her parents led him to think that she was embarrassed of him. He needs to explain how he went over one night (at Hawk's suggestion) to finally introduce himself to her parents, and that's when he saw Robby having dinner with them, and being friendly with Sam. Miguel needs to explain how to him, it looked like she introduced some other boy to her family and she was cheating on him. He should talk about how this was further exaggerated by two things. 1) Johnny gave him a biased version of events from 1984 and called the [=LaRussos=] untrustworthy, planting seeds of doubt in Miguel's mind.[[note]]And for those who say "Miguel needs to own up to his possessive behavior," it should noted that the show makes clear Cobra Kai's teachings and Johnny's influence were the source of Miguel's overly possessive and violent behavior. There's no indication whatsoever that Miguel had any prior history of acting this way in his relationship with Sam before Johnny filled his head with a biased narrative about the [=LaRussos=], and Miguel's friends encouraged him to act like an "alpha" as Hawk puts it. Also, there's no indication that Miguel ever acts this way again. Tory starts a fight that ends with Miguel nearly dying and possibly paralyzed for life, and he doesn't even raise his voice at her when he sees her afterward. This is not a pattern of behavior of Miguel, so him being overly possessive and / or violent is not an inherent personality trait the writers intended for him.[[/note]] And 2) the next day, Miguel tried texting her and he could not get any response from her. All of this led to him getting extremely upset, getting drunk and making poor choices at the party. Finally he sees her coming down the hill talking with Robby, who he had previously seen having dinner with her. At this point he is drunk, already suspicious of Robby, and isn't thinking clearly. He should explain how at the tournament he wasn't thinking clearly either. Talk about how he didn't realize what Cobra Kai had done to his attitude and how he came to the conclusion he did. Sam deserves to know why he didn't trust her in Season 1 when Demetri had told him, "She's given you no reason ''not'' to trust her." |
| 823 | |
| 824 | '''Sam:''' Sam first needs to explain how not introducing him to her parents had nothing to do with how she felt about him, and she wasn't at all embarrassed. She was hesitant to introduce him to her parents because Daniel was badmouthing Cobra Kai a ton, and she felt that there was no way he'd be okay with Sam dating Miguel. Therefore, she thought the only way to protect her relationship was to not tell her parents. She should also tell Miguel how she was ready to tell her dad about Miguel on the day Miguel asked to meet her parents. She came home asking to speak to her dad when Amanda confronted her about the hit and run, grounded her, and took away her phone, meaning she couldn't text or call Miguel to say she had been grounded. Sam also needs to explain to Miguel how Robby being over for dinner that night had nothing to do with her, and it was Daniel who invited him. She needs to tell him that all she could talk about when Robby busted her out so she could go to the party was Miguel. Even though it looked like she was cheating on Miguel with Robby, in reality Miguel was the only person on Sam's mind. |
| 825 | |
| 826 | The biggest factor at hand, though, is how they'll pull it off without it coming off like characters rehashing things the audience already knows so that everyone's caught up on the phone tree. |
| 827 | |
| 828 | [[WMG:Hawk won't have to worry about a HeelFaceDoorSlam from Daniel when the truth comes out about him stealing the Medal of Honor]] |
| 829 | |
| 830 | Daniel doesn't know which Cobra Kai students trashed Miyagi-Do / stole the medal, but he is already allowing the former Cobra Kai students of Johnny's new Eagle Fang dojo to join up with his own dojo. For all he knows, Miguel was a part of that stunt and he's allowing his daughter to date Miguel. (Yes, Sam was told that Miguel didn't do it, but we don't see Sam pass that information along to her dad onscreen, so whether or not he actually knows that Miguel had nothing to do with it is technically ambiguous at this point) |
| 831 | |
| 832 | And with the medal having served its purpose as a major source of conflict in season 2 (it basically caused the school fight, if you really think about it), coupled with Daniel and Johnny deciding to forgive, forget and unite in the season 3 finale, the medal becomes a non-issue. Daniel has likely already taken into consideration that some of Johnny's students could have taken part in the trashing of Miyagi-Do, as they were almost all Cobra Kai students at the time, and he's clearly still decided to allow Miguel to date Sam, and allowed Eagle Fang to team up and train with Miyagi-Do for the tournament. What would be the purpose of him coming to that realization again only to not be okay with it the second time around? |
| 833 | |
| 834 | [[WMG:Each major Miyagi-Fang member (senseis and students) will have their own Cobra Kai rival they will have to deal with throughout Season 4 (similar to the rivalries in Season 2: Johnny vs. Daniel, Miguel vs. Robby, Tory vs. Sam, Hawk vs. Demetri, Mitch vs. Chris, Bert vs. Nathaniel).]] |
| 835 | '''Miguel vs. Robby:''' This should not be much of a surprise, since both are shaped to be the champions of their respective dojos, both have a history with Sam and Johnny, and both made the biggest impact in their lives (Miguel being hospitalized and on death's door, Robby being sent to juvie). Robby's resentments of Miguel are almost certainly to increase once he finds out that Johnny is dating Miguel's mother, as that will be proof to him that Johnny is using the Diazes to create the family unit he couldn't have with Shannon and Robby. And Miguel likely has some bottled up resentments towards Robby for injuring him in the school brawl. |
| 836 | * Confirmed to some degree. Miguel and Robby do have their moments with each other, which culminates to their prom fight at Stingray's place. However, they do not face each other in the finals. |
| 837 | |
| 838 | '''Sam vs. Tory:''' Obviously. Tory has made it crystal clear she's STILL NOT DONE with Sam, and will do everything it takes to take her down in the most painful way possible. The stakes could be much higher, now that Peyton List has been promoted to the starring cast. |
| 839 | * Confirmed. The rivalry continues on all the way to the finals of the tournament, but Amanda actually makes strides to end the rivalry between the two by showing empathy for Tory. And Tory herself actually becomes a less violent person thanks to a combination of Amanda's acts of compassion and the therapist that Amanda helped her find. |
| 840 | |
| 841 | '''Demetri vs. Kyler:''' Demetri was Kyler's main bully victim throughout Season 3, and the only one out of the three (Miguel and Hawk) that has not yet scared the hell out of him. Demetri finally taking Kyler down for everything the latter did to him at school would be nothing short of cathartic. |
| 842 | * Jossed. They don't really interact with each other at all (besides a brief staredown at the drive-in, and Kyler making a remark on him to Hawk). |
| 843 | |
| 844 | '''Hawk vs. Shawn:''' While it's not yet confirmed that Shawn will return and join Cobra Kai, it wouldn't be much of a surprise if that happened, especially since (if he doesn't elevate Doug Rickenberger) Kreese needs a replacement to fill in for Hawk. After all, both are aggressive fighters who have a bully streak, and Shawn would be willing to prove to Hawk that he is a massive upgrade to him in the dojo. |
| 845 | * Jossed. Shawn is still in juvie and the only character he interacts on-screen is Kenny. However, Hawk does have his moments with Kenny, such as their encounter in the bathroom and drive-in theater (both of which Hawk becomes the aggressor). |
| 846 | |
| 847 | '''Chris & Mitch vs. Doug & Mikey:''' A battle of two best friends (who defected) against two best friends (who remain), all of whom were Hawk's former henchmen. After all, they were pitted against each other during the house fight (Chris vs. Doug, Mitch vs. Mikey); as such, a rematch between the four could be underway. |
| 848 | * Jossed. Doug and Mikey don't appear in the season at all. |
| 849 | |
| 850 | '''Johnny vs. Kreese:''' Kreese was after all the biggest BrokenPedestal to Johnny, being the latter's biggest (and worst) influencer, as well as the one who took the dojo (and Robby) away from him and nearly killed him during the Season 3 finale. The animosity between the two could finally reach its peak with Johnny knocking Kreese out for good, as he should during their last two bouts. |
| 851 | * Confirmed, to some degree. They do interact, with Kreese mocking Johnny for being Daniel's "second-fiddle" and Kreese trying to reason with Johnny for his past actions (to which Johnny regards it as bullshit). Ironically, it's because of how much he actually did care for Johnny (no matter how twisted his methods were) that contributes to Kreese's heel-faced turn. |
| 852 | |
| 853 | '''Daniel vs. Silver:''' Terry Silver is confirmed to appear in Season 4, and should present himself as a complete foil to Daniel. After all, both are influential businessmen (who happen to be the wealthier counterparts to their co-senseis), and both have a dark history with each other (Silver as Daniel's most despicable enemy, being the one who hired Mike Barnes and corrupted Daniel as a means to experience pain). |
| 854 | * Confirmed. Daniel's interactions with Silver are never pleasant, with a notable one being Silver mocking Daniel for "having a little Cobra Kai in him." It's Silver's return that leads Daniel going into panic mode and try to take over the students' training, which leads his partnership with Johnny fracturing. |
| 855 | |
| 856 | [[WMG:Alternatively, the rivals will be changed up]] |
| 857 | |
| 858 | It's possible that the show will change up the rivalries just a bit for the sake of keeping things fresh and so that the existing ones don't get stale. While there's no doubt Robby and Miguel will still have beef, as will Sam and Tory, each Miyagi-Fang could have multiple Cobra Kai rivals, and in turn, these Cobra Kais have several Miyagi-Fangs who have reasons to dislike them. For example: |
| 859 | |
| 860 | '''Hawk vs. Tory:''' Hawk chose to change sides at a critical moment in a fight that Tory led, causing her Cobras to lose badly. We even see her threaten him after Sam defeated her saying, "You better watch your back." Tory is very much all-in with Cobra Kai, and it's clear that even minor slights can set her off. |
| 861 | * Confirmed. Tory does resent him, going as far as to call him a "Judas" and take part in cutting his mohawk. |
| 862 | |
| 863 | '''Hawk vs. Robby:''' Obviously, Hawk never really liked Robby in the first place, even when Robby joined Cobra Kai close to the end of Season 3. Considering now that Hawk has fully defected to Miyagi-Fang, he'll still bear continuous resentment to Robby for what the latter did to Miguel (not to mention, Robby insulting his mohawk during the All-Valley, and upstaging him as Kreese's favorite student). |
| 864 | * CONFIRMED. Robby is the one who shaves Hawk's mohawk (with help from the Cobra Kais), and eventually faces off Eli in an epic finals match (which leads to Eli's victory in Sudden Death). |
| 865 | |
| 866 | '''Hawk vs. Kyler:''' Yes, Kyler was intimidated by Hawk after the latter beat the hell out of Brucks during their time in Cobra Kai, but now that Hawk has betrayed him to Miyagi-Fang, it should come to no surprise that both will have bad blood once again. Now that Kyler has karate training to combine with his wrestling skill, he should actually be motivated to exact revenge on Hawk, similar to his last encounter with Miguel during the house brawl. |
| 867 | * Confirmed. Kyler resents Hawk for switching sides and takes part in the shaving of his mohawk. To go on further, Kyler goes back to his bullying habits toward Eli (re-nicknaming him "Lip" once again) prior to their quarterfinals matchup (which leads to a more confident Eli absolutely shutting Kyler out). |
| 868 | |
| 869 | '''Sam vs. Kyler:''' Kyler was the reason a lot of the conflict reignited. Back in season 1, Kyler formed a relationship with Sam with the intention of getting into her pants and tried to date rape her (and the way he talks to Brucks at the Halloween dance right before they beat up Miguel makes clear that Daniel had interrupted him in the midst of his first attempt), then slutshamed her to the school. Even though a year's passed, there's no way Sam hasn't been fantasizing about exacting a little payback against Kyler, especially when Miguel took away that chance for her to wipe the floor with Kyler and his crew in the cafeteria. |
| 870 | * Jossed. They don't interact (besides a stand-off at the Drive-In). |
| 871 | |
| 872 | '''Sam vs. Robby:''' Robby sees Sam rekindling her flame with Miguel as the last in a series of "betrayals" that led to him deciding to join Cobra Kai (on top of Daniel selling him out to the cops, and Johnny neglecting his jail visit in favor of providing emotional support to Miguel's family), and that's a potentially interesting rivalry when he was trained alongside Sam in the ways of Miyagi-Do. There's high emotional stakes when former allies are fighting each other (like when former friends Hawk and Demetri were on opposite sides of the dojo rivalry in seasons 2 and 3). As they're the children of Daniel and Johnny respectively, that would also make them the ideal matchup for the finals in the All-Valley tournament to keep the rivalry of Daniel and Johnny afloat in spirit. |
| 873 | * Partially Confirmed. They do interact at the skate park (to which Robby bluffs Sam's pleas for him to change), and fight against each other at Stingray's house. |
| 874 | |
| 875 | '''Miguel vs. Tory:''' The "battle of the exes" can also extend to Miguel and Tory, since with Tory fully buying into Kreese's teachings, she sees Miguel as the enemy now; even worse considering that Miguel and Sam have completely reconciled and resumed their relationship. |
| 876 | * Partially Confirmed. They don't really interact much, besides a face-off at Stingray's house. |
| 877 | |
| 878 | '''Miguel vs. Kyler:''' Yes, Miguel whooped his ass twice (even when coming off of a serious injury during their last bout), but there's no doubt continuous animosity between the two—especially considering the impact that Kyler has on Miguel's life (he WAS Miguel's nemesis when the latter first moved in to West Valley High School and WAS the reason that Miguel joined karate). Though it wouldn't be much of a rivalry at this point, especially when you consider Miguel is leagues ahead of Kyler in terms of combat skill, and Kyler's tendency to remain civil at best (or keep a distance) toward much stronger opponents. |
| 879 | * Jossed. They don't interact (besides a stand-off at the Drive-In). |
| 880 | |
| 881 | '''Demetri vs. Robby:''' It shouldn't be much of a surprise that Demetri would be heartbroken by the fact that the young man who defended him against Hawk and his goons twice, has fully aligned with the very same dojo that tormented the former throughout the last two seasons. After all, Demetri and Robby have almost nothing in common away from Miyagi-Do; as such now that Robby himself is under the influence of Kreese, Tory, and Kyler, he would write Demetri off as a loser and would make him a target of harassment. |
| 882 | * Partially confirmed. Demetri resents Robby for betraying Miyagi-Do, and does face him off in the semifinals (to which Robby shuts him out 3-0). |
| 883 | |
| 884 | '''Chris vs. Shawn:''' Chris is basically the antithesis of Shawn; a large black GentleGiant who is a type of person that's "not going to throw the first punch." Whereas Shawn on the other hand, is a ScaryBlackMan who would relish every opportunity he can to ''randomly'' pick a fight with anyone that stands in his way (which is probably why he was sent to juvie in the first place). This would create an ideal matchup of two large black young men with completely opposite ideologies. |
| 885 | * Jossed. Shawn is still in juvie. |
| 886 | |
| 887 | '''Mitch vs. Kyler:''' Mitch is certainly in a better place now (redeemed as part of Johnny's Eagle Fang), but there's no doubt he'll bear resentment to the very person that was the reason why he was kicked out of Cobra Kai. Plus, it would be satisfying to see Mitch get back at his opponent for pinning him down, proving that Kreese weeded out the wrong fighter the whole time. |
| 888 | * Jossed. They don't interact at all. |
| 889 | |
| 890 | '''Johnny vs. Silver:''' Johnny doesn't know who Terry Silver is, and this may have helped him in season 1 when making his appeal to get the All-Valley committee to overturn Cobra Kai's ban on tournament participation. But with Terry coming back into the picture in Season 4, that is to change big time. Keep in mind that Terry is an even worse master manipulator than Kreese, and with Johnny having no clue of what the bastard is capable of, he could succumb to his corrupting influence with Daniel using his experience with Terry in trying to talk him out of it. There's obviously going to be some bad blood the moment that Johnny knows that Terry is working with Kreese against Miyagi-Fang. |
| 891 | * CONFIRMED. Johnny actually goes after Silver after realizing what the latter is doing to Robby, and actually faces him off at the old Cobra Kai dojo (to which Silver gives him a beatdown). Silver even mentions at the end when he betrays Kreese "he'll take care of 'Lawrence'", signifying the rivalry continuing to some degree. |
| 892 | |
| 893 | [[WMG:Yasmine and Moon will join Miyagi-Fang]] |
| 894 | Let's be real; name one other female character besides Samantha [=LaRusso=] who's also a Miyagi-Fang student. Not only would it increase [[TheSmurfettePrinciple the female presence in a dojo]] that's overwhelmingly dominated by male students (not to mention TWO male senseis), but it will also increase the dynamic between the trio (Sam, Moon, Yasmine) and their male counterparts (Miguel, Hawk, Demetri). Hawk can rekindle things with Moon, and Yasmine can come full circle with her redemption arc, now that she has Daniel and Johnny as the guiding force she needs (not to mention Johnny crossing paths with Daniel again was because of Yasmine hitting his Firebird). Also, it would give a more badass-side to the two girls, with Moon using her athleticism as a cheerleader to good use and Yasmine who wouldn't have to resort to cyberbullying and verbal abuse as a means of attack. |
| 895 | * Personally I very much doubt this. Yasmine and Moon have no real reason nor interest in learning martial arts -- even Demetri at least had the excuse of peer pressure. At best, I imagine they could form an unofficial cheer squad for the combined dojos (perhaps re-propping the Lakers cheerleader outfits they wore at the Halloween dance, since purple is a combination of red and blue, the colors of Eagle Fang and Miyagi-Do). |
| 896 | * If we were to see some new female students with Eagle Fang or Miyagi-Do, the best candidate to do that would be to bring back Sarah, the basketball player that Kreese invited to tryout for Cobra Kai, and who lost her initiation fight with Tory. This would also serve the benefit of making Kreese's decision to reject her come back to bite Kreese in the ass down the line, especially if Sarah wants to exact payback on Tory. |
| 897 | ** Moon is one of the prospects Johnny scouts to bulk out Eagle Fang's female line-up for the gender-segregated All-Valley in season 4, but she bows out when she realizes karate means she has to punch people. |
| 898 | |
| 899 | [[WMG:Kyler will have a backstory]] |
| 900 | Kyler wasn't just born to be a sadistic bully who enjoys tormenting weaker people for sick pleasure; there's got to be something behind the scenes that ignites his modus operandi. After all, most of the bullies in the Miyagi-verse (i.e. Johnny, Hawk, Tory, Kreese) had a rough lifestyle before turning to the dark side; [[TruthInTelevision this applies to real-life tormentors as well]]. Even at one point, Kyler did mention of his dad "shitting in his mouth" if he doesn't pass trigonometry—there's got to be more meaning to that than just a priceless excuse for not bringing the snake-pole. |
| 901 | * Pretty sure the sociopathic snake has tried to date rape Sam, attempted to murder Miguel, has committed various other crimes and oh yeah, was recently fully onboard with breaking and entering into the [=LaRusso=] house and attempting to murder everyone there, including Miguel for the second time now. No amount of FreudianExcuse handwaving is going to excuse him. His sympathy ship has sailed. He's a bully because he just is one. |
| 902 | |
| 903 | [[WMG:Sam will not face Tory in the tournament. Rather, Tory will face off against Miguel]] |
| 904 | |
| 905 | The season 2 and season 3 finales were partially centered around Tory picking a one on one fight with Sam, and Sam won both. Having Sam fight Tory in the tournament would run into the same problem that ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII'' had, as a tournament fight after a death match just is a bit of a downgrade in stakes. Especially seeing as both of Tory's fights with Sam were street fights without any rules, whereas in a tournament, there are rules, which tips the odds more in Sam's favor as Tory would be quickly disqualified if she fought dirty. |
| 906 | |
| 907 | Sure, Tory and Sam will get into another fight in the future, but it wouldn't move the story forward at this point. If Tory fights anyone in the love dodecahedron, it'll be Miguel, who has committed far bigger slights against Tory than anything Sam did (by cheating on her with Sam, and in Tory's mind, "siding with the enemy" by repairing things with his friends in Miyagi-Do). |
| 908 | ** [[spoiler: Jossed. Sam does face Tory in the grand finals of the girls tournament, as both genders are seperated thanks to the rules being changed by the board.]] |
| 909 | |
| 910 | [[WMG: Sam will eventually cripple Tory in self-defense.]] |
| 911 | Tory is obviously too far gone to ever be reasoned with, won't ever stop hunting Sam, and the police are useless. Considering how insane Tory is and how she's constantly escalating their feud, most notably the home invasion being her second attempt at outright murdering Sam ''and'' how she threatened to do it again on her way out, this is honestly the only way to stop her permanently short of outright killing her. This will obviously be rough for Sam but it is still in line with true Miyagi-Do being about Defense and how Defense can take on many forms. Plus it would serve as a wake-up call to the rest of the Cobra Brats: Being a psycho criminal has consequences. Remember that. |
| 912 | Jossed. Sam and Tory do fight in Season 4 at Stingray's Prom party, but no weapons are involved and the fight is quickly diffused when Miguel accidentally knocks the two girls into the pool. |
| 913 | |
| 914 | [[WMG: Terry Silver will use Miyagi-Do techniques against Daniel and Miyagi-Fang.]] |
| 915 | Remember that Terry is arguably one of the most (if not THE MOST) intelligent characters in the Miyagi-verse (there's got to be a good reason why he worked his way up to becoming the CorruptCorporateExecutive we all know and love to hate, not to mention being able to manipulate Daniel into becoming a Cobra Kai) and a far more dangerous adversary to Daniel than Kreese. As such, he'll learn his lesson from ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII'' and Kreese's continuous loss against Miyagi-Do, seeing the dojo and its students as a formidable threat and find clever ways to defeat them. And by "clever ways," meaning that he'll [[CallBack sneak into the dojo once again]], steal the scrolls to his own advantage, and teach the Cobra Kais the dangerous Miyagi-Do moves (particularly Chozen's pressure point techniques). Don't be surprised if his fight against Daniel makes Daniel's bout against Kreese look like a cakewalk, considering that Silver is actually a better fighter than Kreese (he did last longer during his battle against Mr. Miyagi). |
| 916 | * Partially jossed. While Cobra Kai does use Miyagi-Do techniques against their opponents, it's Robby who teaches them. |
| 917 | |
| 918 | [[WMG:Daniel will be more upfront in season 4 about his experiences with Terry Silver]] |
| 919 | Terry Silver has been on Daniel's mind ever since Johnny reopened Cobra Kai, and probably more so since Kreese has returned. There have been times that Daniel has said things because the situation itself resembled an event from his past with Silver. But every time Daniel has spoken about Cobra Kai or about his own history with that dojo, he's never so much as mentioned Silver by name. He's willing to mention Johnny and Kreese. He's even mentioned his "opponent" in the second tournament, but he's never mentioned or acknowledged Silver's existence, even when he talks about events that had directly involved Silver. But sometimes, it's the unspoken things that matter more than what a person says out loud. |
| 920 | |
| 921 | Daniel will need to address his (and Johnny's) students about the fact he wasn't entirely truthful when he described his time with Cobra Kai in season 2 episode 6. He said he had learned how to "strike first, strike hard, and show no mercy", when what Silver actually taught him was, "A man can't stand, he can't fight. A man can't breathe, he can't fight. A man can't see, he can't fight. Extreme situations require extreme measures." Daniel also said that he had joined Cobra Kai, when in reality, he was tricked by Silver into joining Cobra Kai as part of an elaborate plot to force him to fight and to mess with him so that he would lose in the tournament. If he had been upfront with his students from the start, he would really have driven home how bad Cobra Kai and Kreese truly are. Sam even points out to him he's never discussed this with her or Amanda. |
| 922 | -->'''Sam:''' You never told me about any of this.\ |
| 923 | '''Daniel:''' It's not something I'm proud of, Sam. And my point is anyone can be seduced by Cobra Kai, even me, and I'll admit: Cobra Kai makes you feel stronger, tougher, but it will also get you in trouble. And that's what happened to me. I'm just lucky Mr. Miyagi was willing to take me back. |
| 924 | |
| 925 | Notice that Daniel makes no mention of who his sensei had been when he was in Cobra Kai, just that it wasn't Kreese. |
| 926 | |
| 927 | And then in season 3 episode 7, when Daniel tells Sam about his match with Barnes, he says, "My opponent was ruthless. Before I knew it, I was on that mat and the fear had completely taken over. I was paralyzed. I couldn't move. The thought of getting up and facing that guy just scared the living daylights out of me. I just wanted to run off and hide." He then talks about how Mr. Miyagi helped him overcome the fear and find his focus enough to defeat Barnes. After a few more words, Daniel admits to Sam, "I still live with the fear." |
| 928 | |
| 929 | Silver was the real source of Daniel's fear in that match, not exactly Barnes. Barnes was just a proxy. Silver's plan had been to make Daniel feel fear in every part of his mind. Silver succeeded then, and still is, because Daniel admits that he still lives with the fear Silver instilled in him then. |
| 930 | |
| 931 | As to why Daniel hasn't mentioned Silver on any of these occasions where it would make sense to talk about him? Well, there's the Doylist explanation that the writers aren't dwelling too much on the events of ''The Karate Kid Part III'' becuse Johnny wasn't around at the time. But there are any number of Watsonian answers for this: it's possible that Daniel didn't think it was relevant to mention Silver in some of these scenarios. Maybe Daniel doesn't think [[CassandraTruth what had really happened is believable because it is insane]] (a Vietnam War veteran turned billionaire goes to great lengths to traumatize a teenager all because said kid's sensei humiliated his best friend?), so he doesn't mention it when he's trying to convince someone that Kreese and Cobra Kai are bad. Or most likely, Daniel just doesn't like to think or talk about the real details of what Silver had done to him because of his lingering fear and PTSD (similar to how Sam is unwilling to talk about how scared of Tory she's become until after the arcade fight). |
| 932 | |
| 933 | Daniel's rivalry has always been with Cobra Kai, never with Johnny specifically, and it's all because of what Silver, Kreese, and Barnes did to him. Daniel won't be surprised to see Silver, because that's probably been on his mind as the logical next step now that Kreese is back and more importantly has recruited Robby: Cobra Kai returns > Cobra Kai wins the All-Valley > Kreese returns > concurrent with Kreese's return, the students of Cobra Kai become violent bullies and criminals > Kreese usurps control of Cobra Kai after the school fight and kicks Johnny out for going soft > Kreese gets Robby to join Cobra Kai > Kreese is going to call in Silver. Silver's return will be Daniel's worst nightmare come true, especially since Kreese is almost certainly bringing him in to turn Robby and Tory into much more ruthless fighters to get the better of the Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang students during the next All-Valley. |
| 934 | |
| 935 | [[WMG:There's meaning behind Terry Silver's mantra during his promotional reveal, particularly on the Core 4 Miyagi-Fang Students (Miguel, Sam, Hawk, Demetri)]] |
| 936 | ''"A man can't stand, he can't fight."'' '''Miguel, obviously.''' Throughout the majority of season 3, he's is crippled and unable to stand due to Robby knocking him over a balcony. Even when he recovers, his kicking skill is impaired due to the slow recovery process. Silver could use that as a weakness to further cripple him so that he is immobile and unable to take on anybody. |
| 937 | |
| 938 | ''"A man can't breathe, he can't fight."'' '''Sam.''' Yes, Silver is using he/him/his words and pronouns, but this perfectly represents Sam's PTSD and her panic attacks every time she is reminded of the school fight (i.e. returning to West Valley High School, encountering Tory again). Shortness of breath is a sign of a panic attack (which is a response to PTSD)—something that Silver could exploit to completely make her vulnerable to an incoming assault. |
| 939 | |
| 940 | ''"A man can't see, he can't fight."'' '''Hawk and Demetri.''' Even though Hawk and Demetri can literally see perfectly fine, it's more of their current identity that they will "struggle to see" as Silver exploits their weaknesses. Remember that both "Binary Brothers" were unpopular, insecure students before they TookALevelInBadass by joining Cobra Kai and Miyagi-Do respectively (Eli flipping the script to become Hawk, Demetri learning how to defend himself and gain confidence under Daniel's tutelage). Silver could take advantage of Hawk's mohawk and have it shaved to strip him of his current identity (creating a mass confusion and re-emerging insecurity to Hawk), whereas Demetri would have his confidence broken through repeated bullying from the Cobra Kai students. Both Binary Brothers would struggle to see who they really are, resulting in them being exposed and unable to have the will to fight. |
| 941 | |
| 942 | [[WMG: The home invasion will be the last straw for Amanda.]] |
| 943 | Having her home invaded is too much for her and she'll separate from Daniel, at least for a while. |
| 944 | |
| 945 | [[WMG:Season 4 will give the two rivalries of the season 2 love square a bit more depth]] |
| 946 | |
| 947 | Within those two rivalries, they've been really shallow. Neither Tory and Sam, nor Robby and Miguel, actually know each other...and what they do know about each other is very limited and biased. |
| 948 | |
| 949 | The rivalry between Miguel and Robby has been very surface-level cause it has revolved around Sam, Johnny, and being in opposing dojos, so they didn't have any real reason to dislike each other. But with the end of season 3, they now actually have real reasons to dislike each other: Robby because he feels Miguel continues to take away his closest relationships (his championship, his dad, his girlfriend, and now the [=LaRusso=]s as a whole). And Miguel because Robby is the one who put him in the hospital in the first place and because he's choosing to be a member of Cobra Kai. |
| 950 | |
| 951 | The same is true for the girls. That rivalry between Sam and Tory is just as shallow, because instead of being about social class or about what's best for Aisha (Tory's classmate and Sam's friend), they fight over the affections of Miguel, when Miguel wasn't even the inciting factor for the rivalry (it started with Tory stealing a bottle of vodka, and Sam suspecting her of stealing Amanda's wallet). With the end of season 3, they can now have real reasons to dislike each other. Tory because Sam has beaten her twice and has everything Tory wanted; Sam because she's come to see Tory as her own Mike Barnes, and also because she sees Tory as a bad influence on Robby. |
| 952 | |
| 953 | [[WMG:The 51st All-Valley Tournament will have its moments, including...]] |
| 954 | * Johnny Lawrence will finally be recognized as a two time All-Valley champion. Remember in Season 1 that he was completely forgotten and overshadowed by Daniel [=LaRusso=] riding off his success? Now that both of their dojos are merged, Daniel might be willing to convince the All-Valley to give Johnny the fair recognition that he deserves (especially given that it was Sensei Lawrence that won the previous All-Valley with Miguel as his champion). |
| 955 | ** CONFIRMED!!!! Prior to Sam's matchup with Tory and Daryl announcing Johnny Lawrence as Daniel's co-sensei, Daniel goes as far as to tell Daryl to let the audience know of Johnny being a two-time champion. |
| 956 | * Demetri facing off against Kyler and finally beating the crap out of him. This would not only be LaserGuidedKarma on the latter (given how he relentlessly harassed Demetri in school) but also complete the trifecta of the "nerd trio" (Miguel, Hawk, Demetri) finally intimidating their original school bully.[[note]]Off topic, but unless they go under a nickname, Demetri's and Kyler's last names would be revealed as they move on to the quarterfinals.[[/note]] |
| 957 | * Shawn Payne would be Miguel's toughest opponent next to Robby. Remember that Miguel could still likely suffer the long-term effects of his Season 2 injury and may not be 100% in his prime. Given Shawn's size and impressive combat skill (the latter being amplified with formal karate training), Miguel is going to have one hell of a fight that makes Robby's bout with Shawn look tame. |
| 958 | * Miguel will be critically injured with his legs (echoing Terry Silver's mantra of "a man can't stand, he can't fight") prior to his final matchup (presumably against Robby), leaving Daniel to once again try his "healing hands." Except this time around, [[HourglassPlot he'll actually succeed, given more experience and training]]. |
| 959 | * Miguel will use kata as a distraction tactic, and Daniel's pressure points as a finishing move in the finals. This should not come much of a surprise, since Miguel is basically becoming more of a GenerationXerox to him, with more of Daniel's techniques (the Crane, the Drum) in his arsenal. |
| 960 | |
| 961 | [[WMG:Some of the main characters from each dojo will sit out the tournament]] |
| 962 | |
| 963 | One of the issues the show has run into at this point when it comes to the All-Valley is that there are too many named fighters. In season 1, there was really just Miguel, Robby, and Hawk. Bert and Aisha were eliminated early. There were very few fighters for the show to work with. In season 4, on the other hand, there at least four named fighters in each of the three dojos. You have Sam, Miguel, Hawk, Robby, and Tory guaranteed to participate in the tournament at minimum, plus maybe Demetri and Kyler. You could field a whole tournament with just the kids in Eagle Fang, Cobra Kai, and Miyagi-Do. |
| 964 | |
| 965 | Realistically, it will probably just be two fighters from each dojo: Hawk and Miguel for Eagle Fang, Sam and Demetri for Miyagi-Do, and Robby and Tory for Cobra Kai. |
| 966 | |
| 967 | |
| 968 | [[WMG:Robby will steer Tory away from the negative side of Cobra Kai]] |
| 969 | There's enough similarities between Robby and Tory to give the impression Robby might have what it takes to get Tory to turn away from Cobra Kai, or at least the worser traits. This was possibly foreshadowed in the "girl power" training montage late in season 2. |
| 970 | |
| 971 | It's clear Miguel doesn't know how to get through to Tory, largely because while he grew up poor, he's got a good support network. He doesn't know how to talk to her in a manner that actually ensures she's getting the message. |
| 972 | |
| 973 | The only way to get Tory to actually listen to you is to empathize with her. We see this in season 3 when Kreese convinces Tory to return to the dojo by relating to her about his mother being sick and the stigma that came with it. Obviously, Kreese didn't have good intentions here, and was simply doing this as a manipulation tactic, but the fact it worked shows that the approach is successful. If Kreese could use empathy to steer Tory into being his attack dog, Robby should be able to use it to possibly steer her away from that. |
| 974 | |
| 975 | Close. It's not Robby who uses empathy to steer her away from Kreese and Cobra Kai, it's Amanda [=LaRusso=], the mom of Tory's rival of all people. |
| 976 | |
| 977 | [[WMG: Big Red didn’t participate in the attack on the Eagle Fang And Miyagi Do students because he was also keeping Lil Red from going]] |
| 978 | |
| 979 | They may be rival dojo’s but [[BigBrotherInstinct that’s still his little brother]] and he’s not about to let him get brutalized by his CK buddies over anything. |
| 980 | |
| 981 | [[WMG: Kreese and Terry will send their attack dogs after the families of the Miyagi-Fang Students.]] |
| 982 | This is 100% in character for them. Kreese already had Tory take her gang to beat up the Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang kids at the [=LaRusso=] house, much like Silver had Mike Barnes harassing and bullying Daniel around the clock so that Daniel would feel desperate enough to train with Silver. It would be a good tactic to terrorize the students and try to scare them into not doing as well as they should during the tournament. Furthermore, Tory and Kyler don't exactly have any morals or qualms about aggravated assault, so they'd be completely on board with this. It all adds up with the constant escalation from the Cobras as well. |
| 983 | |
| 984 | [[WMG: To finally end Cobra Kai once and for all Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang Karate will forgive the indiviual cobras for their actions.]] |
| 985 | Forgiveness has been semi-important throughout the series with Daniel forgiving Chosen and the overall plot seems to be leading to Johnny and Daniel forgiving each other for the past and present, so its not unlikely. With everything the cobras have done they themselves might not think they will be forgiven so there's no pint to seek it, and Kreese and Silver would even lean into that to get them to keep going. With the home invasion and the likes of Tory and Kyler in the dojo this wouldn't be easy for any of the good guys but it might be needed in order to break the hold the evil sensei's have over the teens. Even if Cobra Kai is banished that won't break the hold the veterans have over the kids so this would be a sacrifice needed to truly end the reign of terror of Cobra Kai. |
| 986 | * The Cobras, particularly Tory and Kyler, are outright criminals at this point. They need to face severe punishment for their actions before anybody will have any reason to forgive them. Let them serve time in prison for their crimes for the duration of their sentences and then they can talk about forgiveness. |
| 987 | |
| 988 | [[WMG: Miyagi-Do or Eagle Fang will win the tournament, but at a high cost.]] |
| 989 | Zabka hinted in an interview that Season 4 will end on a {{Cliffhanger}}, and, let's be honest, Cobra Kai as a whole consists of people that can't be trusted to keep their word. They're gonna be {{Sore Loser}}s about losing if they do. So maybe Miyagi-Do or Eagle Fang will win the tournament...and Cobra Kai is gonna escalate the hostilities as a result. Maybe by trying a more surefire method of murder than choking someone, or by burning down the Miyagi-Do dojo. (And if people are trapped inside when they set the dojo on fire, this would be a good way to keep people on their toes about who's gonna come back for Season 5 or not.) |
| 990 | * On the other hand, whether Kreese would be willing to go this far is up for debate. The police do technically exist in this universe, considering Robby's experience and all. |
| 991 | ** ''Kreese'' might not. ''Terry'' might. Besides, Terry could just bribe them. |
| 992 | * Jossed. Cobra Kai wins the tournament, Terry bribes the refs and frames Kreese for an assault he committed. Daniel, of all people, refuses to abide by their agreement, claiming that it is futile to "honor an agreement with those who have none." |
| 993 | |
| 994 | [[WMG: Tom Cole might be involved in the feud between Daniel and Terry.]] |
| 995 | Tom Cole is obviously not a "karate guy," but he is a businessman. The same can be said with Terry, who could use ''his role as a businessman'' to mess up Daniel's car dealership as a means to get back at him in 1985. Since Tom obviously doesn't like Daniel and nearly put him out of business, Terry could use him in some scheme to make sure it might happen for good this time. Oh, and Margaret's mentioning of "Mr. Cole" as the district attorney prosecuting Silver for a criminal case in ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII'' could hint Tom Cole's connection with the silver-ponytailed billionaire ("Mr. Cole" being Tom's father or relative). |
| 996 | |
| 997 | On the other hand. "Cole" is a very common last name. |
| 998 | |
| 999 | [[WMG: Julie Pierce will appear in the very end of the Season 4 finale.]] |
| 1000 | Following Zabka's hint of a cliffhanger, there's a good chance that it would involve a character from the original ''Franchise/TheKarateKid'' making a surprise appearance after the 51st All-Valley tournament, much like how John Kreese appeared after Cobra Kai wins the previous tournament. In that case, it would be ''Film/TheNextKarateKid'' protagonist Julie Pierce, who could play a major role in fighting back either against a persistent Cobra Kai, or a different enemy of Daniel and Johnny. Hillary Swank did express interest of coming to Cobra Kai (going as far as to say she would love to see Julie fight Daniel), and the series is obviously well-known into bringing original stars back (most notably, convincing Thomas Ian Griffith to return to acting in reprising his role as Terry Silver). |
| 1001 | ** Jossed. As of the end of season 5, Julie has yet to make an appearance. |
| 1002 | |
| 1003 | [[WMG:The Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang kids will not know about the terms and conditions Kreese has set for their senseis]] |
| 1004 | Season 3 ends with Kreese makeing a deal with Daniel and Johnny, that if Cobra Kai loses the All-Valley, Kreese will leave, but we don't know what happens if Cobra Kai wins because Johnny cut him off. The only kids present to hear Kreese make that deal, though, were Miguel and Sam. |
| 1005 | |
| 1006 | So that begs the question, will Johnny and Daniel tell the other students in the dojo about the bet? Or will they leave it only for Carmen and Amanda to know? It's hard to imagine that Daniel wants to put that pressure and weight on his students, and Johnny probably doesn't either. How do you put all that responsibility on the kids and tell them that losing the tournament basically means Kreese will double down on his harassment and bullying of them? That's not something that they need to know about or should have to know about. They are just kids. It's not fair to put that responsibility and weight on them. |
| 1007 | |
| 1008 | Keeping them in the dark will also allow the writers to play with the idea of Miguel and Sam carrying that responsibility on their own. They're the only kids that know about the deal. They might get emotional feeling like everything is their responsibility and Amanda and/or Carmen need to tell them they're just kids and none of this is their responsibility. |
| 1009 | |
| 1010 | [[WMG: The New Girl Devon will be an AudienceSurrogate in regards to Sam’s and Tory’s rivalry.]] |
| 1011 | After she learns the reason why they don’t get along. She’s going to point out that two girls fighting over a boy is extremely stupid and really outdated. |
| 1012 | |
| 1013 | [[WMG:Kreese and Silver will try to engage in bracket-fixing at the tournament]] |
| 1014 | |
| 1015 | Most people have been making the assumption of a fair bracket draw. But it's more likely that Terry Silver and Kreese are able to try to manipulate the brackets at the All-Valley tournament in their favor. |
| 1016 | |
| 1017 | Quarterfinals: |
| 1018 | * Miguel vs Sam: This would be a matchup no one might see coming. It would make sense though for Silver and Kreese to want this. Two of the top 3 fighters for Eagle Fang and Miyagi-Do. Force one of them to go out in the first round. This is also a matchup we've never seen. This match could go either way, but it's most likely that Sam will come out on top. Sam vs. Robby is the most likely matchup for the finals, since the writers probably aren't ready to do a repeat of the season 1 finale, especially when this is Sam's first outing as a participant in the All-Valley. |
| 1019 | |
| 1020 | * Tory vs Xander Stone: Kreese and Silver will probably want Tory on the same side of the bracket as Miguel and Sam. That way regardless of who wins they'll have to go through Tory to get to the finals. Both Miguel and Sam would have some emotional baggage facing off against Tory. Tory wipes the floor easily with Xander and advances to the semis. |
| 1021 | |
| 1022 | * Hawk vs Doug Rickenberger: So on the other side of the bracket the first match is Hawk and Rickenberger. Kreese and Silver will stack the bracket to give Robby basically a free path to the finals. With that said, Rickenberger will be told to throw the match, to injure Hawk and tire him out. So while Hawk will come out on top of the match he will be exhausted going into the semis. |
| 1023 | |
| 1024 | * Robby vs Demetri: Demetri could be replaced with someone else if they really wanted to. I think seeing Robby face off against Demetri who he has protected at times would be fun. I think this would be a good way to show off how ruthless Robby can be and Robby will easily sweep the floor with Demetri. |
| 1025 | |
| 1026 | Semifinals: |
| 1027 | |
| 1028 | * Sam vs Tory: This time around, Tory will be told to throw this match just like Rickenberger vs Hawk. I think Tory's only job in this match will be to fight dirty and tire out Sam. She'll want to take the match the distance all while constantly going after Sam when the point is called in order to injure her. The goal is to have Sam(or Miguel) completely gassed and hurt by the time they make it to the finals. |
| 1029 | |
| 1030 | * Robby vs Hawk: This match is an inversion of their season 1 bout. This time though it is Hawk who is hurt and tired. Robby taunts Hawk like he did to Robby in Season 1. Robby easily disposes of Hawk and makes it to the finals. |
| 1031 | |
| 1032 | Finals: |
| 1033 | |
| 1034 | * Sam vs Robby: This is the most probable final matchup, and more likely than a Miguel vs Robby repeat, for a couple of reasons: First, in Season 2, Sam teased Robby about how he came in second because he never had to face her. Second, it'd be a match between a [=LaRusso=] and Johnny Lawrence's son, effectively a rematch with the blood line that started everything. Third, Sam and Robby are also the third generations of their respective dojos' teachings: Mr. Miyagi's letters make clear he saw Sam like a granddaughter to him (and also trained Sam for a bit), while Kreese says in the season 3 finale that he, Johnny, and Robby are "three generations of Cobra Kai". It's a matchup of the second generation Lawrence against the second generation [=LaRusso=], and the third generation of Kreese's Cobra Kai against the third generation of Mr. Miyagi's Miyagi-Do, appropriate since the dojo war has always been between Cobra Kai and Miyagi-Do. Sam will be in Robby's season 1 position at the start of this fight, as after going through Tory, she is hurt and gassed. Robby will toy with her in the finals. It is possible that Kreese and Silver will order Robby to injure Sam. Robby won't be able to carry that out, but still come out on top on his own terms. |
| 1035 | ** Jossed: The All-Valley in seasion 4 is gender-segregated. Sam loses to Tory in the girl's finals based on a couple of dodgy referee calls helped along by a little financial incentive from Terry, while Robby faces Hawk in the boys' Finals and loses due to hesitation. |
| 1036 | |
| 1037 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Kreese and Silver's bracket-fixing will result in the inevitable rematch between Robby and Miguel.]] |
| 1038 | |
| 1039 | Quarterfinals: |
| 1040 | * Miguel vs Shawn: Basically a match-up between "Horchata" and Cobra Kai's next generation Dutch. Much like Robby did during his time in juvie, Miguel will get a taste of what Shawn's raw power is like—now combined with formal karate training from Kreese and Silver. This will be a close match-up, but I believe Miguel will come out on top (given his greater experience with formal combat and the show's dramatic nature). |
| 1041 | |
| 1042 | * Hawk vs Tory: Tory's warning to Hawk on "watching his back" does express plenty of foreshadowing, this inevitable match-up included. While both fighters have very similar skill-sets and ruthlessness, it'll be Tory's rage against Hawk that will amplify her skill in taking him down (possibly as a TakeThat for her defeat against him at Coyote Creek). |
| 1043 | |
| 1044 | * Sam vs Kyler: Sam taking down that little shit for sexually abusing her and slutshaming her out of petty revenge would be nothing short of satisfying. Even if Kyler's formal karate-training has vastly improved, he's still out of Sam's league (though with encouragement from Kreese and Silver, he could severely injure her and tire her out en route to the semis). |
| 1045 | |
| 1046 | * Demetri vs Robby: Similar to the potential bracket-fix above, with a touch of Demetri trying to convince Robby to return to the good side, much like he tried with Hawk. Of course, Robby will easily take down Demetri, given his superior skill. |
| 1047 | |
| 1048 | Semifinals: |
| 1049 | |
| 1050 | * Miguel vs Tory: Instead of another repeat of Sam vs. Tory, how about a match-up against the guy who betrayed not just Cobra Kai, but her feelings as well? Tory would once again allow her rage to get the best of her, with Miguel using that as an advantage to use Miyagi-Do Karate against and defeat her. Except Kreese or Silver might order her to injure Miguel en route to the finals. |
| 1051 | |
| 1052 | * Sam vs Robby: There is a lot of emotional baggage on this one, and both are equally skilled fighters. However, it will be Robby who will go out on top with this one, given Sam's flashbacks with Robby distracting her in the fight, and injuries she might have already received from her previous bout with Kyler. |
| 1053 | |
| 1054 | Finals: |
| 1055 | |
| 1056 | * Miguel vs Robby: A rematch for the ages. Both will go up to 2-2, with a possible sudden death match after back-to-back blows on each other. However given Miguel is not entirely at his 100%, it'll be Robby that will take the win on his own terms. Given William Zabka's hint of a cliffhanger, Silver will burn down the Miyagi-Do dojo to make room for a new Cobra Kai dojo (fulfilling his promise of a chain of Cobra Kai dojos) and a new character (Julie Pierce?) comes in to help Miyagi-Fang take back the valley. |
| 1057 | ** Again, Jossed. The tournament is gender-segregated, and Terry went for outright bribing the judge instead of trying to fix the brackets. Sam loses to Tory, but only because of the judge making key rulings in Cobra Kai's favor. Miguel forfeits the semi-final because of his emotional insecurities and back injury, and Hawk wipes the mat with Robby in a sudden death overtime ending. |
| 1058 | |
| 1059 | [[WMG:There will be a lot of confusion amongst the spectators and officials at the All-Valley in season 4 given the shakeups]] |
| 1060 | |
| 1061 | Since the last tournament, the unaffiliated Robby Keene of North Hills is now the top student of a whole new roster of Cobra Kai led by John Kreese. Daniel [=LaRusso=] has started Miyagi-Do Karate with a whole new batch of students led by his daughter Sam. Johnny Lawrence, the apparent ex-sensei of Cobra Kai, now leads a newly formed dojo Eagle Fang Karate with defending champion Miguel Diaz, semi finalist Hawk, plus Bert and a whole new roster of students. |
| 1062 | |
| 1063 | Don't forget about the feud that was on display between Daniel and Johnny at the tournament in season 1, and now they're apparently working together. Maybe. They'll enter separately but they may be helping each other's dojos and cheering each other's dojo on. |
| 1064 | |
| 1065 | The public definitely would have heard about how Robby is the one who kicked Miguel over the railing in the school brawl and Tory being the one who started the fight, so that will be an interesting reaction by the public. Not to mention the fact that the public seemed to know the reason behind the school fight was Sam and Miguel kissing, and they'll probably be together at the tournament. |
| 1066 | |
| 1067 | This also comes with the public reappearance of John Kreese and Terry Silver as the Cobra Kai senseis, both of whom (along with their student Mike Barnes) are the very reason behind Cobra Kai previously being banned from the All-Valley. |
| 1068 | |
| 1069 | [[WMG:We will find out that Kreese has a kid of his own]] |
| 1070 | Someone who will have an even more firsthand experience at the damage Kreese can do to someone’s life than Johnny. They will be the one to convince the remaining Cobra Kais (at least the redeemable ones like Tory and Robby) how bad Kreese is for them. |
| 1071 | |
| 1072 | [[WMG:Kreese’ ultimate end goal!]] |
| 1073 | He doesn't have one. It's a serious case of AndThenWhat |
| 1074 | * I would argue that his entire goal is to 'prove' that 'it's [[NeverMyFault not his fault]] he's a crazy {{Jerkass}}, society made him that way'...by making either Daniel or Johnny (or both) the same as him. And the scary part is he did come close with Daniel, if the kids hadn't shown up he could very well had murdered Kreese. Admittedly though, this still has an AndThenWhat element: ok, if he somehow managed to prove his point, what after that? That just means multiple crazy jerkasses haunting the valley. |
| 1075 | * Similarly, he wants to prove that he and Cobra Kai are not just the strongest, [[HumansAreBastards but part of humanity's cruel nature]], and that everyone else like Daniel, Johnny, or the politically correct "snowflake generation" of today should just give up trying to be good or noble and embrace it already, because as some like Kyler or Captain Turner (let alone people from the rest of the franchise) have shown, there will always be people like them around the world [[MightMakesRight who will attack or wage war against others for superiority]], [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse some could even be]] [[DirtyCop leading the police]] [[CorruptPolitician or countries]] [[WeHaveBecomeComplacent and any efforts to stop them are ultimately pointless since it's been around from the beginning of time]]. |
| 1076 | |
| 1077 | [[WMG:Sid Weinberg will die in Season 4, leaving Johnny to inherit his belongings.]] |
| 1078 | Give his advanced age and declining health (as well as actor Ed Asner's recent passing), it's very likely Sid will also be dead as well. Besides Johnny, he doesn't have any known relatives in the show, guaranteeing the rights for Sid's belongings (such as his property) to Johnny himself, who now has something to provide for not only himself, but the new family he is establishing with the Diazes as well. |
| 1079 | * Jossed. Sid isn't even mentioned in seasons 4 or 5. This may have something to do with the scripts already being written, and may very well be adressed in season 6. |
| 1080 | |
| 1081 | [[WMG: Kreese will die in Season 4.]] |
| 1082 | Season 5 is filming right now, yet Martin Kove is on the next season of ''Series/DancingWithTheStars'', which is about to begin. How would he have time for both unless Kreese isn't in Cobra Kai anymore? And that would be Terry's villain motivation for Season 5: avenging Kreese's death which he (unfairly or not) blames on Team [=LawRusso=]. |
| 1083 | |
| 1084 | * Jossed, though Silver does take over as the series' main villain after he frames Kreese and has him arrested. |
| 1085 | |
| 1086 | [[WMG: The series will end with all of the Cobras, barring maybe Robby, being imprisoned]] |
| 1087 | Kreese and Terry obviously, but their students (particularly Tory & Kyler) have also given up any chance of being redeemed after leading a home invasion, so this is honestly the only route left for them. Robby at least isn't quite as far gone yet so he still has a chance to turn his life around, but the rest definitely need to serve time for their crimes. Thus, the series will end with Terry, Kreese and their students defeated, arrested and sent to prison where the students will have the rest of their lives to reflect on everything they threw away. |
| 1088 | |
| 1089 | It is possible that Robby might also be sent to prison (again) as well, given that he showed absolutely no regret to kicking Miguel off the balcony, and the fact that he's shaped to become, in Daniel's terms, Cobra Kai's "top bully." Perhaps maybe another karate figure (Chozen or Julie maybe?) might visit him in prison and show him a bette path. |
| 1090 | |
| 1091 | Jossed. Tory doesn't end up in jail, but simply has an extended probation and is unable to keep a job. Season 4 also redeems Tory by having Amanda show her compassion and empathy, set her up with a therapist and help her work through her implied mental illness and difficult home life. |
| 1092 | |
| 1093 | |
| 1094 | |
| 1095 | [[WMG: Tory’s father is actually just some guy]] |
| 1096 | There’s been a lot of speculation on Tory’s parentage that at this point it’ll turn out to be some guy unrelated to all this. Miguel’s as well. Though I do think at least one of them will show up later. |
| 1097 | |
| 1098 | [[WMG:Kreese and Silver will use bribery to get Tory's and Robby's expulsions from West Valley High overturned]] |
| 1099 | Doing so would serve a couple of purposes. |
| 1100 | * It would be a way to further buy Robby's loyalty to Cobra Kai. |
| 1101 | * It'd be in character for Silver, who relied heavily on psychological warfare in ''The Karate Kid Part III''. Having Tory at school would mean Sam and Daniel are constantly on edge and fearing what Tory might try to do to Sam after having lost two fights with her. |
| 1102 | * At this point, Tory and Robby are the only important students at Cobra Kai and are the only ones not in a position to naturally interact with the important characters from the other dojos. As such, from a Doylist standpoint, having them at school could help build up their rivalries with Sam and Miguel without having to come up with contrived reasons for them to cross paths outside of school. |
| 1103 | * Having Silver bribe people to get what Cobra Kai wants would also answer a lot of potential plot holes like [[ThereAreNoPolice the conspicuous absence]] or [[PoliceAreUseless ineffectiveness of the police]]. |
| 1104 | * Jossed. Tory returns because she got permission from the Larussos (including Sam)while Robby Remains expelled. |
| 1105 | |
| 1106 | [[WMG: Terry Silver isn't Miguel's father. He's ''Johnny's''.]] |
| 1107 | Or at the least he'll claim to be so to Johnny to sway him back to the Cobra Kai side. |
| 1108 | [[WMG: Small things that will happen in Season 4]] |
| 1109 | |
| 1110 | * Tory and Sam will have brief bonding moments like Johnny and Daniel in Season 1. |
| 1111 | ** Jossed: but it might happen in Season 5. |
| 1112 | * Hawk is making real efforts to make up for his mistakes. |
| 1113 | ** Confirmed. |
| 1114 | * After Terry Silver arrives Tory or Robby starts to feel put off by Cobra Kai. |
| 1115 | ** Confirmed: Robby and Tory realize the flaws of Cobra Kai at the end of Season 4. Robby in particularly seeing Kenny undergo a StartOfDarkness mainly due to Terry's teachings, and Tory witnessing Terry bribe the ref for a guaranteed victory. |
| 1116 | * Carmen will spend a lot of time at the [=LaRusso=] house because Miguel and Johnny are training there. |
| 1117 | ** Kinda Confirmed. |
| 1118 | * Devon will have a sarcastic streak. |
| 1119 | ** Jossed. |
| 1120 | * Terry Silver will use his connections so that Robby and Tory can go back to school. |
| 1121 | ** Jossed. Tory is allowed going back to school thanks to Amanda. |
| 1122 | * Tory finds out about Kyler’s history with Sam and becomes disgusted. |
| 1123 | ** Jossed. |
| 1124 | * While Tory is dating Robby she realizes that what she felt for Miguel was just physical attraction. |
| 1125 | ** Jossed |
| 1126 | * Sam calls Robby out on the fact that he always jumps to his own conclusions and never lets someone else explain the situation. |
| 1127 | ** Jossed |
| 1128 | * Amanda and Carmen will have a girls night where they talk about their very interesting backgrounds. |
| 1129 | ** Jossed |
| 1130 | * Amanda confronts Tory about her actions and reveals that she also had rough upbringing. |
| 1131 | ** Confirmed: Amanda confronts Tory about what she did to Sam, but later empathizes with her after learning about her difficult home life. Because it reminds her of her own DarkAndTroubledPast. |
| 1132 | * Demitri will hold a toast on Hawk but this time he will reveal thing about him that are very impressive instead of embarrassing. |
| 1133 | ** Jossed. |
| 1134 | * Daniel breaking Tory's face for attacking his family. |
| 1135 | ** Jossed. |
| 1136 | |
| 1137 | [[WMG: If Robby isn't redeemed yet, he will ultimately [[TheStarscream ursurp Kreese and Terry Silver]].]] |
| 1138 | * With him viewing everyone from Johnny and Miyagi-Do as having let him down, and his only allies still being, [[AcademyOfEvil well, Cobra Kai]], he feels that he's ultimately all alone with no one he can actually rely on. Coming to the conclusion that the CycleOfRevenge that helped ruin his life was the result of [[HumansAreBastards all people either being bullies]] [[HumansAreMorons or idiots]], and that melting the "snowflake generation" isn't good enough. He wants to use Cobra Kai himself to ''burn down'' [[PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery the world and society as we know it]] [[ItIsBeyondSaving and and make everyone start over from scratch]]. |
| 1139 | |
| 1140 | [[WMG: Kreese or Silver will pull a HeelFaceTurn on each other.]] |
| 1141 | Yes, John Kreese and Terry Silver are best buds who are supposed to be a BigBadDuumvirate for Season 4, but given the dramatic nature of the show, at least one of the duo will realize the other has gone too far with their actions and may pull off a HeelFacedTurn to kickstart their redemption arc. |
| 1142 | |
| 1143 | Silver may be loyal to Kreese, but there is a chance that he may draw the line between Kreese's revenge plot towards Johnny and Daniel and that he'll come to realize that helping Kreese out with his ultimate plan on influencing the Valley with Cobra Kai's "No-Mercy" mindset has gone too far and isn't all worth it—especially if Kreese himself resorts to murder. Remember that Kreese has attempted something like that towards Johnny ''and'' Daniel, and that he is the mastermind behind this entire scheme to take back the All-Valley; Silver is only just a helper with a vast array of resources that Kreese lacks. |
| 1144 | |
| 1145 | OR Silver is the one going way too far in helping Kreese out, and that the latter may draw the line between how Silver is executing his plan, especially if Silver himself resorts to murder and ''succeeds.'' Remember in the ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII'' film where Kreese is about to give up, and it was only because of Silver's desire (by his ''own initiative'') to "avenge" Kreese that they decided to get revenge on Daniel & Mr. Miyagi? Kinda goes to show just how much of a bigger psychopath Silver is compared to Kreese, and that it'll come down to Kreese realizing how far he's gone with all the shit going on with karate, and Silver being the one to take over the revenge scheme completely and become the season's sole BigBad. |
| 1146 | ** [[spoiler: Partially confirmed. Only its TheStarscream not a HeelFaceTurn by Silver.]] |
| 1147 | |
| 1148 | [[WMG: Terry Silver will have lost control of his company.]] |
| 1149 | The show's already established Kreese couldn't re-enlist in the army because he failed the psychological test. It would be very on brand of the show for Kreese to find out, part way into season four, that Silver was removed as CEO by his board of directors for: |
| 1150 | A) Having a borderline personality disorder. |
| 1151 | B) Openly bragging about their negative environmental impact. |
| 1152 | C) Devoting his time and the companies money on helping his friend with a petty karate rivalry against a teenage boy. |
| 1153 | ** [[spoiler:Confirmed. The extended cut of Silver's conversation with Kreese reveals that he did lose his company, but he manages to get himself back up with his investment of start-up firms.]] |
| 1154 | |
| 1155 | [[WMG: Amanda will buy a gun to defend both herself and her family.]] |
| 1156 | The Cobras broke into the Larusso's home and tried to murder everyone there, this being Tory's second attempt, and it's clear that they will never stop unless they are forced to. Taking this into account, Amanda will buy a firearm as a precaution against the raging karate psychos rampaging around the valley. Not only would this be a realistic and natural reaction to what the cobras did but it would also be a nice surprise for whenever Kreese and Terry inevtiably send their attack dogs after her. |
| 1157 | ** [[spoiler: Jossed.]] |
| 1158 | |
| 1159 | [[WMG: Johnny will recount his first meeting with Miyagi in season 4]] |
| 1160 | Johnny and Daniel have combined dojos. There will be a time where Daniel will give the students the typical Miyagi lesson/story to inspire them. One student will ask if Johnny ever met Miyagi to which Johnny will proudly say that he did. Daniel will give him a look or the students will probe him for more information, resulting in Johnny sheepishly admitting that Miyagi kicked his ass. |
| 1161 | |
| 1162 | [[WMG: Eagle Fang will have it own creed.]] |
| 1163 | One that reflects its root to Cobra Kai but also showcase itself as more tolerant and progressive. |
| 1164 | * Strike First -> Strike Fast -- Don't start a fight, but if if you have to, end it quickly. |
| 1165 | * Strike Hard - > Fight Hard -- Don't give in to your opponent, no matter what. |
| 1166 | * No Mercy - > No Fear -- No matter the fight, never doubt yourself and be confident. ("Don't be a pussy.") |
| 1167 | |
| 1168 | [[WMG: If the Cobra Kai students who invaded Sams home are imprisoned, [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney parents will buy his way out.]] Kreese will have Terry do the same for [[TeachersPet Tory]] but leave Rickenberger, Mikey, Paul and the other Cobra Kai’s involved in the home invasion in juvie for [[YouHaveFailedMe their failure]].]] |
| 1169 | * Of that crew, only Kyler and Tory are seen in the trailer. It’ll explain why the other involved are not around anymore, the need to train people like Big Red and Edwin further and also the need for new blood like Kenny. |
| 1170 | * Jossed. Though Rickenberger and Mikey are nowhere to be seen due to quitting after the [=LaRusso=] house fight. |
| 1171 | |
| 1172 | [[WMG: Devon will join Eagle Fang.]] |
| 1173 | The character is set to have a recurring role in Season 4; not to mention, it would also add in a [[TheSmurfettePrinciple Smurfette Principle]] that the dojo severely lacks. [[spoiler:Confirmed]]. |
| 1174 | |
| 1175 | [[WMG: Darryl Vidal will return in the 51st All-Valley tournament.]] |
| 1176 | The show once again has a knack for bringing past Karate Kid characters, and Vidal would be no exception. Especially if one looks closely at the opponent Miguel is faced off against in the last shot of the trailer, he sports a patch with a logo that highly resembles Locust Valley dojo, where Darryl Vidal trained during the events of the original film. This could potentially mean that Vidal is now the new sensei of the dojo heading into the tournament. |
| 1177 | [[spoiler:Jossed. While Locust Valley does re-appear in the tournament (and actually prove to be competent enough to gain standing with Cobra Kai, Miyagi-Do, and Eagle Fang), Darryl Vidal is nowhere to be seen]]. |
| 1178 | |
| 1179 | [[WMG: Piper returns as a member of Cobra Kai.]] |
| 1180 | Remember that girl who Hawk flirted with but was dating Moon the whole time? There is a girl bowing to Kreese and Silver with her back turned to the camera that clearly resembles her, not to mention being with Kyler and his gang at the prom. This could mean that during the events of Season 3, Piper breaks up with Moon, but turns to Cobra Kai as a means to cope with that breakup. This would also increase the female presence in the dojo in which the only major female character is Tory. |
| 1181 | * Confirmed. |
| 1182 | |
| 1183 | [[WMG: Tory Will Murder Someone At Prom.]] |
| 1184 | Tory has two attempted murders under her belt and has received zero punishment for either of them. Considering how much of a loose cannon she already is, combined with having Terry whispering in her ear now, it would not be out of character for her to take advantage of the prom to slip into the crowd and murder one of the Miyagi-Fang students and slip back out. Not like she's ever going to face punishment for it anyway given her PlotArmor and Terry bribing the police. |
| 1185 | ** [[spoiler: Jossed. Tory and Robby instead decide to troll Miguel and Sam to get under their skin, and it works.]] |
| 1186 | |
| 1187 | [[WMG:Sam will get tired of Robby‘s NeverMyFault Attitude.]] |
| 1188 | It’s obvious that there will be confrontations between them and while at first she will try to be civil to him. She will eventually snap and give him a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech for constantly blaming other people for his predicaments even though most of them were his own fault. |
| 1189 | |
| 1190 | [[WMG:Robby will be living in Terry Silver's mansion.]] |
| 1191 | Living in the dojo or Kreese's homeless shelter is ''not'' an ideal situation for Cobra Kai's star pupil; if Robby were set to be their top student, why not have him live the luxurious life as Silver's ward in his mansion? This would also be a CallBack to Mike Barnes living in Silver's mansion as the latter's champion in ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII.'' |
| 1192 | |
| 1193 | Jossed. Robby moves back to living with his mom once the latter is out of therapy. |
| 1194 | |
| 1195 | [[WMG: Season 4 will reveal that Tory is a TomboyWithAGirlyStreak.]] |
| 1196 | It would be another way to make her a {{Foil}} to Sam who is a GirlyGirlWithATomboyStreak. |
| 1197 | ** [[spoiler: Kinda Confirmed. After Tory loses her resturant job, thanks to Sam’s mother, she gets another job entertaining children as a Mermaid. Just when she starts to get into her Mermaid role by singing, Sam, who happens to be there as well, mocks her.]] |
| 1198 | ** Does that actually count? Tory didn’t really seem to enjoy it. A TomboyWithAGirlyStreak is a female character who has mostly typical masculine interests but also enjoys typical feminine interests. |
| 1199 | |
| 1200 | [[WMG: Cobra Kai will win the tournament...and the price paid is Daniel rejoins Cobra Kai.]] |
| 1201 | Let’s be real, in KK3 Terry did act a bit predatory toward Daniel. And he likes not just defeating but breaking people. What better revenge than forcing Daniel to rejoin the dojo he hates and would be happy to hide he ever joined? There’s also probably some sort of blackmail involved. As for the Miyagi-do students, what will they do without their sensei? Well there are reports that Yuji Okumoto’s Chozen will return in Season 5… |
| 1202 | ** If this happens, the Season will end with Daniel walking into Cobra Kai nervously, with Kreese and Silver smiling evilly at him and Silver reminding Daniel of the cost (whatever the terms of blackmail are) of trying to take them down internally in order to dissuade him from trying to do exactly that. After that, Robby will smile eerily at him and say something along the the lines of "Good to see ya Mr. LaRusso, gee this is just like the good old days isn't it?" and the screen will cut to Daniel looking extremely unnerved and the season will end right there and then. This will also set the stage for Daniel to try and take Kreese and Silver down internally anyway (and utilize and genuinely accept some of Cobra Kai's principles while doing so but still without becoming an outright villain like Kreese and Silver) and succeed in Season 5. |
| 1203 | ** And along with the aforementioned return of Yuji Okumoto as Chozen, this would also be a good way to introduce Julie Pierce to the story to come fill the void Daniel will have left for Miyagi-Do. |
| 1204 | * This would also explain the image going around of [[spoiler: Daniel in tears at Mr. Miyagi’s grave]]. Also, I suspect the blackmail either involves Robby, Daniel’s family, or the dealership. |
| 1205 | ** Or Kreese and Silver threaten to take Cobra Kai beyond the Valley and to a national level off of the popularity of their two time wins if Daniel doesn't rejoin them and then threaten to do exactly that if they even think or suspect Daniel is trying to take them down internally. |
| 1206 | ** [[spoiler: Partically confirmed. Cobra Kai does win the tournament at the end of Season 4.]] |
| 1207 | |
| 1208 | [[WMG: Alternately, the season ends with the ultimate betrayal: ''Sam'' joins Cobra Kai.]] |
| 1209 | Just a gut feeling I have. |
| 1210 | ** [[spoiler: Jossed. Sam doesn't join Cobra Kai and in fact loses the tournament for Miyagi-Do by losing the girls grand final match to Tory.]] |
| 1211 | |
| 1212 | [[WMG: Terry has his own motives…]] |
| 1213 | Notice how hostile he acts towards Kreese in the sneak peak? This could be foreshadowing a potential betrayal between Cobra Kai’s two senseis. |
| 1214 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed. Silver beats Stingray into the hospital, and has him blame Kreese for it, causing him to get arrested.]] |
| 1215 | |
| 1216 | [[WMG:[[spoiler: Tory and Robby will eventually leave Cobra Kai and join Miyagi Do & Eagle Fang, respectively]]]] |
| 1217 | Given what’s been presented in the season 4 finale, there is a possibility of this happening. |
| 1218 | * Confirmed, though it's more prevalent with Robby than Tory. Robby quits Cobra Kai even before the season begins and allies with the Miyagi-Fangs throughout the entire 10 episode (he is seen wearing a Miyagi-Do gi in the Sekai Taikai qualifier). Tory remains in Cobra Kai but defects after her stone dummy torture and allies with the Miyagi-Fangs in the season's FinalBattle despite not officially joining one of the two dojos as a student. |
| 1219 | |
| 1220 | [[WMG: If Kreese [[spoiler: Returns in season 5]]]] |
| 1221 | [[spoiler: He will team up with Daniel in an act of revenge against Terry Silver. I might go as far to say he will even apologize for all of his misdeeds and turn a new leaf.]] |
| 1222 | |
| 1223 | * Kinda confirmed? [[spoiler:He does return in Season 5, and does give Daniel and Johnny information against Silver as revenge but he only does it to have Daniel get him a decent lawyer, and still despises him.]] |
| 1224 | |
| 1225 | [[WMG: Anthony will join Miyagi Do in season 5]] |
| 1226 | And his main rival is none other than Kenny |
| 1227 | |
| 1228 | Confirmed. There is a shot of Anthony bowing with a few others at the Miyagi-Do dojo. |
| 1229 | |
| 1230 | [[WMG: Tory will be EasilyForgiven]] |
| 1231 | |
| 1232 | Or a downplayed ForgivenButNotForgotten. |
| 1233 | |
| 1234 | * The latter moreso than the former. [[spoiler:Sam finally forgives her after seeing how terrible her life has become and the abuse she endured at Cobra Kai, on top of Miguel getting through her skull that Cobra Kai does nasty things to a person's mental state. However, it's quite clear that no one in the Miyagi Fang Alliance outside of Sam, Robby and Miguel particularly trusts her.]] |
| 1235 | |
| 1236 | [[WMG: Demetri or Eli hacked the computer systems for the sprinklers and lights on the baseball diamond]] |
| 1237 | * Which explains how they were able to turn the lights off and the sprinklers on just at the perfect time. They still credit Miguel, because it was his idea in the first place. |
| 1238 | |
| 1239 | [[WMG: Season 5 will primarily focus on Daniel as the main focal point character]] |
| 1240 | |
| 1241 | Or to be more specific, he'll be the main lead in terms of taking the fight to Cobra Kai instead of Johnny for the time being. |
| 1242 | |
| 1243 | [[spoiler:Cobra Kai's victory at the All-Valley Tournament and the subsequent closures of Miyagi-do and Eagle Fang pushed Daniel to cross the GodzillaThreshold in requesting Chozen's aid to stop a now Silver-led Cobra Kai, and in doing so, the show has set some of the pieces up for Daniel to take more of an initiative for the next season.]] |
| 1244 | |
| 1245 | [[spoiler:The battle lines are set as both Daniel's new colleague and the show's new BigBad (following his betrayal of Kreese) are characters that have closer ties to himself than to Johnny: Chozen - Daniel's former rival from Okinawa - has reformed his old toxic ways to become a calmer and more understanding person, and one whose knowledge of Miyagi-do far surpasses Daniel's. Silver returns as Daniel's {{Foil}}, a successful businessman who has seemingly found fulfillment outside of karate only for the business of Cobra Kai to drag him back into that world as a man whose cruelty rivals or even exceeds his old wartime comrade's.]] |
| 1246 | |
| 1247 | [[spoiler:Given that Silver may just amplify Cobra Kai's worst traits even more (albeit to the point now where the dojo's two main aces in Robby and Tory's have finally [[HeelRealization realized what their dojo represents]]), it may be up to Chozen to at least fulfill the same role Mr. Miyagi did for Daniel (and the remnants of the Eagle Fang and Miyagi-do dojos) all those years ago. Part of this may entail the reconciliation of Daniel's BlackAndWhiteInsanity: his refusal to adhere to the aggression taught by Cobra Kai and Eagle Fang cost him and Johnny the chance to put their demons away for good, and it may take the teachings of someone like Chosen who has extensively trained in Miyagi-do for far longer and would possess a more clear understanding of its insights to break Daniel out of his preconceived notions, which he has slowly but surely tried to do over the course of the show (like encouraging Eli to use his Cobra Kai moves to defeat Robby).]] |
| 1248 | |
| 1249 | [[spoiler:Ultimately, Daniel having a more concrete ArchEnemy in Silver gives him more of a drive to see Cobra Kai gone and attain his own inner peace and redemption, while leaving Johnny to find the same in defeating Kreese if and when he does manage to escape Silver's betrayal.]] |
| 1250 | |
| 1251 | * Confirmed! [[spoiler:Johnny's focus for the majority of the season is preparing for his and Carmen's baby, and mending the fence between Miguel and Robby so he doesn't even get involved with the overall arc of the season for a considerable amount of time, and even when he does it's moreso in support of Daniel.]] |
| 1252 | |
| 1253 | [[WMG:Tory is pregnant]] |
| 1254 | Robby knocked her up on prom night. That's it. No guess as to how they will deal with it. |
| 1255 | %%* Neither jossed nor confirmed as of season 5, whose finale would have been two-three months after prom. |
| 1256 | |
| 1257 | [[WMG:Miguel's father is Ruben Patterson from ''Shootfighter''.]] |
| 1258 | * I'd like to note this is unlikely just on copyright claims. But it'd be ''fucking hilarious'' if his father was another character William Zabka played. |
| 1259 | ** Jossed. As of the fifth season, Miguel's father is revealed to be [[spoiler:Hector Salazar]]. That being said, ''Cobra Kai'' still has one final season to potentially incorporate other potential allusions or homages to ''Shootfighter: Fight to the Death'' (which I can easily imagine John, Josh, and Hayden incorporating, whether at Martin Kove and/or Billy Zabka's suggestion, or of their own accord). |
| 1260 | |
| 1261 | [[WMG: Johnny will go searching for Miguel but this time he’ll ask Robby to go with him.]] |
| 1262 | * This signifies him not choosing one over the other which has constantly caused problems in all four seasons. Hell choose both of them. |
| 1263 | ** Confirmed by the season 5 trailer, though he apparently didn't tell Robby ''why'' they were going to Mexico. |
| 1264 | |
| 1265 | [[WMG:Tory's landlord will start harassing her again now that her protector is in jail.]] |
| 1266 | If she uses the law rather than violence to stop him, that could be a good sign that her CharacterDevelopment is sticking. |
| 1267 | * Maybe Amanda could help Tory out by helping her find a good attorney. She is very wealthy after all. |
| 1268 | ** Jossed, or at least if she's getting harassed again the audience is never made aware of it. |
| 1269 | |
| 1270 | [[WMG: Johnny and Robby will still have Father and Son issues]] |
| 1271 | * Despite making up at the end of Season 4, old wounds take long to heal and arguments and mistrust will still happen. Mainly, because Johnny will be desperately trying to find Miguel and Robby will eventually get jealous about it, thinking he loves Miguel more than him. |
| 1272 | |
| 1273 | * Confirmed...for about 10 minutes in the opening episode of Season 5. After that point the only issues the two have are in relation to Johnny trying to bury the crap between Robby and Miguel, and Robby doesn't even resent him for it or his relationship with Miguel. |
| 1274 | |
| 1275 | [[WMG: Johnny, Robby and Miguel will team up to fight The Cartel]] |
| 1276 | * And it will be the most badass moment in the series. |
| 1277 | ** And during one of the fight sequences Miguel will be pushed off a ledge akin to the balcony he fell off of in Season 2 and there will be a bar or something equivalent to the stairwell he hit that broke his back directly under him and it'll look like he's going to have a repeat of his back injury only for Robby to catch him at the last second and rescue him from re-injuring his back again, which will mark Robby's full-circle redemption from the worst thing he's done in the entire series. |
| 1278 | |
| 1279 | * Jossed, while there are certainly a bunch of dangerous, unsavory characters they run into in Mexico they don't deal with any Cartel members. Johnny does fight a member in Hector Salazar's ring though, so... |
| 1280 | |
| 1281 | [[WMG: Eli will ultimately advocate for Tory’s redemption]] |
| 1282 | * By the end of season 4, he finally came around even getting over what Robby did to him. He’ll see good and redemption in Tory and try to convince Sam that since he could become better so could Tory. |
| 1283 | |
| 1284 | * Jossed, Eli stays incredibly untrusting of her to the end of the season. |
| 1285 | |
| 1286 | [[WMG:The final season will have a Cobra Kai student who is a bullying victim but ''doesn't'' suffer from HeWhoFightsMonsters, breaking the cycle experienced by so many others.]] |
| 1287 | |
| 1288 | [[WMG:Shawn will eventually help snap Kenny out of his new mindset by showing alarm at the changes in his brother's behavior.]] |
| 1289 | * Jossed. Shawn remains in juvie. |
| 1290 | |
| 1291 | [[WMG: In season 5 and beyond, Kreese will see Betsy in a MaybeMagicMaybeMundane way.]] |
| 1292 | * She could be a SpiritAdvisor, HelpfulHallucination, or maybe have a TogetherInDeath moment with Kreese if he doesn’t survive the series. |
| 1293 | ** Confirmed! But to some degree. While this sort of magic obviously doesn't exist in this series, Kreese does have a moment with Betsy during his previous therapy session...at least either in his imagination or his psychosis. |
| 1294 | |
| 1295 | [[WMG:Barnes will betray Silver.]] |
| 1296 | * Being the head of Cobra Kai seems to invite betrayal, and Barnes was a pretty ruthless guy back in the third movie. If Silver manages to come out on top, maybe that experience will make him wonder if the Cobra Kai mindset is worth preserving. |
| 1297 | |
| 1298 | * Jossed...if only because Mike Barnes would've had to be on Silver's side to begin with in Cobra Kai in order to betray him. |
| 1299 | |
| 1300 | [[WMG:Bobby will visit Kreese in jail and try to talk sense into him.]] |
| 1301 | * Jossed. Bobby doesn't appear at all. |
| 1302 | |
| 1303 | [[WMG:If Kreese is convicted of assaulting Stingray, he'll encounter Dutch in prison.]] |
| 1304 | * Jossed. Dutch doesn't appear at all. |
| 1305 | |
| 1306 | [[WMG:Cobra Kai will be disbanded or permanently reformed before the final season, only to have a MakeWayForTheNewVillains scenario in the form of Colonel Dugan showing up.]] |
| 1307 | Alternatively, Kim Da-Eun will join forces with Dugan and even Hector before the Sekai Taikai since all of the students left the Dojo. |
| 1308 | |
| 1309 | [[WMG: The Endgame: An epilogue of Miguel, Robby and Sam teaching a new generation of kids a new style that combines the good aspects of Cobra Kai, Miyagi-do, and Eagle Fang.]] |
| 1310 | |
| 1311 | [[WMG: Cobra Kai will ultimately be its own undoing.]] |
| 1312 | Season 4 ended with [[spoiler:Cobra Kai bribing their way to the championship]], and announcing they'll be opening more dojos across the Valley. That means more kids who will be indoctrinated into Cobra Kai's "Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy" mentality. This may result in bullying incidents skyrocketing across the Valley as kids start attacking other kids everywhere. Maybe someone will post a video of some kid bumping into another one, trying to apologize, and then getting beaten to a pulp while the attacker starts shouting Cobra Kai rhetoric. That video will likely go viral, and result in a [=PR=] nightmare for Cobra Kai, and ultimately Cobra Kai being buried in a mountain of lawsuits that will shut it down for good. |
| 1313 | * Except the Cobra Kai Students have been assaulting people in public for the entire series and received zero punishment for any of it. Why would this be any different? |
| 1314 | * Confirmed, though it's on the fact that Silver confessed to Tory that he cheated in the tournament and security camera ends up being uploaded on Cobra Kai's [=YouTube=] channel and casted on to the screen for the Cobra Kais to watch in horror. This follows up with the mass exodus of Cobra Kais, and Silver himself being arrested by Stingray's confession. However, John Kreese just escaped from prison and Kim Da-Eun is still at large and owns 50% of the share via Silver's agreement, so... |
| 1315 | |
| 1316 | [[WMG: Character arcs for Season 5.]] |
| 1317 | * Miguel: [[spoiler:Miguel left for Mexico City to find his father, believing learning about his roots will help him. When he finds his father, the latter will likely think he's trying to pull a fast one on him, and then try to kill him. Or he may decide to go along and bring Miguel into his gang, and Miguel will quickly learn his flesh-and-blood dad wasn't that nice a person. Either way, it may conclude with him realizing Johnny is pretty much the only dad he needs.]] |
| 1318 | ** Confirmed, though on the latter part. Miguel's father reveals himself to be a shady businessman who never really cared about his family, prompting Miguel to turn back to Johnny as soon as the later finds him in Mexico. |
| 1319 | |
| 1320 | * Samantha: [[spoiler:Samantha losing to Tory in the All Valley Tournament left her so broken she pretty much concluded that [[DespairEventHorizon bullies will always beat her in the end, and there's no point in fighting back anymore]]. From that point onward, any bullying or harassment Cobra Kai throws at her, she will just sit there and take it. It may eventually reach a point where, and this can be something that Season 5 can explore, Sam gets bullied to the point she decides [[DrivenToSuicide there's only one way to end the pain]]. Of course, she won't be successful, but it will land her in a coma. She will only start building herself back up once she finds out she only lost because Terry Silver bribed the judge at the tournament.]] |
| 1321 | ** Jossed. The season centers around Sam overcoming her demons and later help Miyagi-Fang take down Cobra Kai. |
| 1322 | |
| 1323 | * Tory: [[spoiler:Tory will be miserable over discovering she didn't win the tournament fairly, but that Terry Silver bribed the judge. She will consider confessing what Terry did, and outing Cobra Kai as frauds. If she gets word about how miserable Sam is over the tournament, she'll feel even worse, not only because she knows Sam shouldn't be feeling this way, but because she realizes she not only beat Sam at the tournament, she broke Sam. From there, she may decide it's not enough to simply tell Sam the truth. She will go online, or to the news, and publicly confess that Cobra Kai bribed the judge at the tournament.]] |
| 1324 | ** Confirmed. Tory and the other Miyagi-Fangs (barring the traitorous Mitch) help upload the video of Terry confessing to Tory on Cobra Kai's Website/YouTube channel, which was project on one of the TV screen with help from Anthony. |
| 1325 | |
| 1326 | * Johnny: [[spoiler:Johnny and Carmen have decided to follow Miguel to Mexico City in hopes of finding him before he meets his flesh-and-blood father. It may also result in Johnny analyzing his relationship with Miguel, and his relationship with Robby, and how he can fix them.]] |
| 1327 | ** Confirmed, but Carmen doesn't go along with him. Instead, it's Robby. |
| 1328 | |
| 1329 | * Robby: [[spoiler:Robby will be reeling from how, by introducing Kenny to Cobra Kai, he turned a meek bullying victim into a monster. He may try to spend his time with Kenny before High School starts to try and convince him not to do any of the things that he promised Anthony he would do to him. It may not stick, but maybe he can help Kenny see how, if he goes down the path he's been set on, he may become someone he couldn't possibly like.]] |
| 1330 | ** Confirmed, to some degree. Robby tries to convince Kenny not to succumb to Cobra Kai, but the latter is too far deep into Silver's teachings and accuses Robby for treachery. |
| 1331 | |
| 1332 | * Anthony: [[spoiler:Anthony decides to learn Karate but he will be more interested in the aggressive side of Miyagi-Do, he will also turn down his bratty behavior and reveal more of his HiddenDepths and that he is actually BrilliantButLazy.]] |
| 1333 | ** Confirmed, to some degree. Anthony joins Miyagi-Do as a student, and plays a crucial role in one of their lessons taught by Chozen. This become's a CheckovsSkill, as their lesson buys enough time for the Miyagi-Fangs to fend off the Cobra Kais and publicly reveal Silver's confession to Tory. |
| 1334 | |
| 1335 | [[WMG: Miguel’s Father is…. [[spoiler: Ned Randall from The Next Karate Kid]]]] |
| 1336 | [[spoiler: For those unaware, Ned Randall was a student of Colonel Dugan, who was Sensei of Alpha Elite. Carmen described her ex as being a bad man and it would bring to mind somebody like Ned. Not only that, but Michael Cavalieri, the actor for Ned, has considered wanting to reprise his role in Cobra Kai. As a bonus, Ned and Miguel look very similar.]] |
| 1337 | Jossed: This was jossed in Season 1 when Carmen was describing her past to Johnny, and jossed again in the recent Season 5 trailer. |
| 1338 | |
| 1339 | [[WMG:Sam will cripple Tory NOT in self-defense.]] |
| 1340 | Season 4 made it clear that Sam is not at all amicable to Tory due to her past misdeeds. Either after discovering the refereeing was rigged or due to some other slight, she'll make good on her promise to "kick [Tory's] ass for a third time". Except this time Sam will just jump Tory and start pummeling her. Because Tory doesn't like the authorities, she won't report this to the cops. |
| 1341 | * Sam will likely start a fight, but Tory is very capable of defending herself as shown from her previous bouts with Sam. So, they'll both be okay as long as no weapons are involved this time around. |
| 1342 | * Jossed. While Sam gets aggressive with Tory after she finds out about Silver cheating, she doesn't do any damage to her prior to Robby and Miguel intervening. She eventually makes peace with Tory after seeing her home situation. |
| 1343 | |
| 1344 | [[WMG: Daniel will re-open Miyago-Do in Season 5]] |
| 1345 | The reason being, he made his deal with ''Kreese'', not with Terry Silver. When he finds out that Kreese is in jail, he will decide that the deal is now null. Or alternatively, he'll learn early on in Season 5, most likely from Tory, that Silver bribed the referee and that Cobra-Kai didn't actually win the tournament. |
| 1346 | Somewhat confirmed. He brings Chozen to help him out and refuses to shut down the dojo, stating that he won't "honor an agreement with men who have none." |
| 1347 | * I still maintain Chozen is the loophole since he make no agreement with Cobra Kai. |
| 1348 | ** Anyway Confirmed! He doesn't actually use the Chozen loophole, he just re-opens it since Silver is already openly hostile to him, his family and his students anyway so there's nothing to be lost. |
| 1349 | |
| 1350 | [[WMG: Tory's role in Season 5 is a Double Agent.]] |
| 1351 | * Even she can see Cobra Kai isn't what she considers 'fair', especially after she finds out Silver cheated to get her the ladies' title. She will stay with Cobra Kai, but feed Miyagi Fang with info (likely through Amanda) that will help them. |
| 1352 | ** Mostly confirmed. She doesn't feed them information, but does help them take down Silver in the end. |
| 1353 | |
| 1354 | ** [[spoiler:Confirmed!]] |
| 1355 | |
| 1356 | [[WMG:Sam will meet Tory's aunt and this will give her a JerkassRealization about her LackOfEmpathy toward Tory's home life.]] |
| 1357 | * [[spoiler:Jossed]] [[spoiler:Sam goes to Torys Apartment after encouragement from Miguel and she sees the poor living conditions with her on eyes including Torys ill Mother. However neither Aunt Kandace nor Brandon is seen or mentioned at all.]] |
| 1358 | |
| 1359 | [[WMG: Season 5 will end with Chozen going back to Japan and Daniel recruiting Julie Pierce to aid him in the battle against Cobra Kai.]] |
| 1360 | * It would a great way to continue the series tradition of ending each season with a SequelHook showing the return of a character from the film series. |
| 1361 | ** Jossed, mainly because [[spoiler:Cobra Kai is already effectively defeated by season's end.]] |
| 1362 | |
| 1363 | [[WMG: Piper Elswith will be revealed to secretly have a crush on Samantha or Tory]] |
| 1364 | * Look at the way Piper smiles at Sam and Tory when she's sparring against both of them. That is the smile of someone who clearly has a crush on at least one of these girls. This could also be used to further her character development in Season 5. |
| 1365 | ** Jossed. The only time Piper "appears" in the season is an Instagram video of Kenny kicking Anthony into the lazy river uploaded from her account. |
| 1366 | |
| 1367 | [[WMG: Daniel will step down as sensei of Miyagi-do]] |
| 1368 | Not just because he is a man of honor, but because stepping down as a sensei means he can resume his position on the karate tournament committee. As a member of the committee he will be better able to combat Terry Silver's growing influence now that Cobra Kai is franchising. In the meantime Chozen will take over as Miyagi-do sensei teaching the more aggressive Miyagi-do war styles. |
| 1369 | |
| 1370 | * Jossed, he closes down Miyagi-Do entirely as per the deal, no loopholes attempted. [[spoiler:He does reopen later when an opportunity arises but he's still the main sensei of the Dojo.]] |
| 1371 | |
| 1372 | [[WMG: Who will Silver recruit as senseis for the new Cobra-kai franchises]] |
| 1373 | * Mike Barnes: Former star of the Cobra-kai dojo who was a part of Silver's previous franchising scheme. |
| 1374 | * Tory: She is now Cobra-kai's All-Valley champion and [[spoiler:(even knowing that her tournament victory is tainted)]] having her own dojo would offer Tory the kind of financial stability she needs to take care of her family. |
| 1375 | * Stingray: Probably only as an assistant Sensei, but this would give Stingray a permanent place in Cobra-kai and guarantee his silence about his deal with Silver [[spoiler: to frame Kreese]]. |
| 1376 | * Johnny Lawrence: All Johnny wants is the chance to teach karate in his own dojo. With Kreese out of the picture, Silver will offer Johnny one of the new Cobra-kai franchises to try to draw him away from Daniel. |
| 1377 | ** I know Silver is nuts and all, but he has to be a whole nother level of crazy even by his standards if he thinks Johnny will come anywhere near thinking about doing business with him after what happened between them at the old dojo. |
| 1378 | |
| 1379 | ** Anyway, all of the above are Jossed. [[spoiler:Mike never even knows about what's going on until Daniel unwittingly brings it to his doorstep. While Tory is being groomed for leadership she's still treated as a student. Stingray is only being kept around so Silver can keep an eye on him, and isn't given any sort of responsibility. Lastly, Silver ignores Johnny entirely at first since Johnny held up his end of the bargain and shut down Eagle Fang, and when he takes notice again it certainly isn't to try and curry his favor.]] |
| 1380 | |
| 1381 | [[WMG: Sam and Tory Will Be Forced To Sit Down And Talk.]] |
| 1382 | * It's well past time the Miyagi-Fang Alliance held an intervention for the two of them. |
| 1383 | |
| 1384 | ** Jossed, in the sense that the two aren't forced to do it. Sam finally musters up the strength to be willing to have a legitimate conversation between the two. |
| 1385 | |
| 1386 | [[WMG: The "old friend or two" that Silver brought up to Kreese to help him run his Cobra Kai empire will ''not'' be Mike Barnes and/or Snake and/or Dennis]] |
| 1387 | * Instead, it refers to offscreen, hitherto unmentioned character(s) that Kreese and Silver knew before, but that the audience was unaware of before the marketing and airing of Season Five, including confirmed newcomer Kim Da-Eun (played by Alicia Hannah Kim, and likely someone related to Kim Sun-Yung, known ''sensei'' to [[PredecessorVillain Captain Turner]], and purported ''sensei'' to Kreese and Silver first mentioned in ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII''). |
| 1388 | ** Since Mike Barnes is now [[https://www.ign.com/articles/cobra-kai-season-5-release-date-revealed-along-with-new-images officially confirmed]] to return as a character in the fifth season, one prediction related to what was articulated above: he will not end up joining either Terry Silver's Cobra Kai on the one hand, or Daniel, Johnny, and/or Chozen's Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang alliance on the other, but instead act or plot against both of them (e.g., possibly out of lingering resentment toward both Cobra Kai and Daniel for costing him his title back in 1985, he will eventually align himself with [[ALighterShadeOfBlack Kreese]] now that [[EvilVersusEvil the latter has had a falling-out]] with Silver as well). |
| 1389 | ** Jossed in terms of Mike; he's completely out of the karate picture, and allies with Daniel and co. |
| 1390 | |
| 1391 | ** Confirmed! Well, the initial part at least, the old friend brought in is Sensei Kim, the granddaughter of his old sensei. |
| 1392 | |
| 1393 | [[WMG: Tory will become a BigSisterMentor to Devon and develope a BigSisterInstinct towards her.]] |
| 1394 | * Preview images see Devon joining the bigger than ever Cobra Kai and training with Tory. Tory will become protective of her and go out of her way to keep her from being corrupted the way she was, furthering Tory’s redemption arc. |
| 1395 | * This could also draw similarities to Robby attempting to be a BigBrotherMentor to Kenny, culminating in Devon's further corruption being a contributing factor to Tory potentially leaving Cobra Kai. |
| 1396 | |
| 1397 | ** Confirmed, though it's more complicated than the above. |
| 1398 | |
| 1399 | [[WMG: Mike Barnes has resentment towards Terry Silver.]] |
| 1400 | * You think Mike would still be buddy-buddies with a man who basically wanted to [[IdiotBall torture Daniel in the tournament instead of, you know, win properly when you're clearly more skilled than your opponent?]] Someone would have that amount of logical sense to think he was simply used for someone else's motivations over the fact that maybe his financial future is in jeopardy. Especially when you consider ''Terry himself'' resenting Kreese simply because he owes a life debt to him. Clearly in 34 years, Mike has thought harder about his life choices when it comes to dealing with shady men like Terry. |
| 1401 | |
| 1402 | ** Confirmed, though it's a matter of "That dude was crazy and I'm glad I have nothing to do with him anymore." However in the Season 5 finale, Mike does have resentment to Silver after the latter '''burns down his furniture store.''' |
| 1403 | |
| 1404 | [[WMG: Tory will join Miyagi-Do.]] |
| 1405 | All the signs are there. Even back in Season 4, Tory feels dejected after catching Silver bribe the referee to guarantee her victory. More shots of Tory are shown that do reflect the fact that she is still struggling to come to terms with her hollow victory, a defining one showing the Queen Cobra herself walking into Silver's dojo with a ''trophy in her hand.'' As if her hollowed victory isn't enough, it appears she isn't enjoying her time in the new dojo, as shown in the trailers going through the same Quicksilver method that tortured Daniel in ''Part III,''' Sensei Kim hitting her speaks volumes of abuse, and she even states that "everything has gone worse" since the All-Valley victory. |
| 1406 | |
| 1407 | Perhaps a defining shot would be close to the end of the trailer where a bunch of students are bowing to Johnny, Daniel, and Chozen. At the front row, there appears to be two female students, one obviously being Sam. So who's the girl next to her? Clearly, there can't be a new major female character announced at the last minute, and from the look of her hairstyle and the fact that the front row houses 4 of the best current-generation fighters in ''Cobra Kai,'' (Sam, Miguel, Robby, Eli), the 5th person has got to be Tory. |
| 1408 | |
| 1409 | ** Jossed, at least as of the ending of Season 5. While she joins the protagonists it's only tangentially. |
| 1410 | |
| 1411 | [[WMG: Daniel will kill Terry Silver in season 5]] |
| 1412 | In the latest trailer, we see a devastated Daniel facing off against Terry Silver. It seems Daniel is at his Witt’s-end with Silver and in a recent interview, Ralph Macchio mentioned that Daniel will go down a darker path this season with many people believing he has gone insane. Now, we know Silver is a tough fighter and that Daniel is in possession of forbidden Miyagi-Do techniques that he hoped he would never have to use (as per season 4). Maybe Daniel’s mental state as well as Silver’s physical dominance will lead to an act of desperation that ends with Silver dead. |
| 1413 | * [[spoiler: Jossed. Daniel wins their final battle [[CurbStompBattle without even taking a hit]], [[HoistByHisOwnPetard using his own take on the [=QuickSilver=] method he learned from him all those years ago]], and lets the authorities handle the rest.]] |
| 1414 | |
| 1415 | [[WMG: Kim Da-Eun is a character built to lead a spin off]] |
| 1416 | There have rumors that the show runners want to expand the “''Miyagi-verse''” for quite some time now. Perhaps she’s meant to be part of that expansion. |
| 1417 | |
| 1418 | [[WMG: Season 6 Theories]] |
| 1419 | The Miyagi-Fangs are going to the big international tournament but without an official name. Meanwhile, Cobra Kai was entered into the same tournament but the dojo no longer exists. The tournament officials will simply name Daniel and Johnny’s dojo, Cobra Kai due to some bureaucracy or misunderstanding, much to their chagrin. This will keep the title of the show from being an ArtifactTitle. |
| 1420 | |
| 1421 | [[WMG: The organizer of Sekai Taikai knew about Silver's bribing]] |
| 1422 | It was too evident, with the referee negating clear points in both bouts, being lenient with Kenny's illegal moves yet disqualifying Eli "for being too hurt to continue fighting" when one of the precepts of the sport was not hurting your rival. And the worst part was when he clearly looked at Silver, asking him if he should give the point or not. They wanted to expose Terry's wrongdoing, wasting their time and insulting Karate and all the sports in general. And the plan was to expose him in front of the entire world, and do it while he paid for the publicity! |
| 1423 | |
| 1424 | [[WMG: Sam, Tory, Moon and Yasmine will become a FourGirlEnsemble]] |
| 1425 | Sam and Tory are heading into the direction of becoming friends and all four girls match the character types of the group. |
| 1426 | Moon is a sweet and naive hippie girl. |
| 1427 | Yasmine is a vain, LovableAlphaBitch. |
| 1428 | Tory is a tomboyish snarker. |
| 1429 | Sam is the most levelheaded and has leadership skills. |
| 1430 | |
| 1431 | [[WMG:Robby is gonna knock up Tory]] |
| 1432 | LikeFatherLikeSon -- Robby has to deal with an unplanned pregnancy, except Johnny will make sure Robby doesn't make the same mistake he did to him. Also like Johnny and Carmen, Robby and Tory already seem quite... physically active with each other (e.g. the implied AutoErotica on their prom night). |
| 1433 | ** Hopefully, Johnny will also impress on his son the importance of using protection. Although given that protection doesn't always work in real life... |
| 1434 | |
| 1435 | [[WMG:Silver or one of the sensei’s, attacked Mike’s wife.]] |
| 1436 | Wouldn’t be out of place for Silver. |
| 1437 | |
| 1438 | [[WMG: Kyler will pull a genuine HeelFaceTurn in Season 6]] |
| 1439 | * Season 5 ended with Kyler being a FakeUltimateHero as he claimed to the press how he saved everyone at the Dojo from it's cult mentality. However, Kim can still team up with [[ExBigBad Kreese]], [[TheBusCameBack Dugan]] and [[ArchnemesisDad Hector]] before the Sekai Taikai. And while Dugan has proven to be more unhinged than Silver, Hector has the potential to be the most evil character in the Miyagiverse. And Kyler could offer Miguel an alliance [[EvenEvilHasStandards as a result]] |
| 1440 | ** Doubtful that Hector will come to California. Not only does he have no idea who Miguel is, it would also make it much easier for the FBI to grab him. Additionally, if Kim stays in California, most likely she'll also be arrested for child abuse and assault. |
| 1441 | |
| 1442 | [[WMG: Dugan will be the BigBad for Season Six]] |
| 1443 | * Not only will they finally be able to bring back Julie, but it will also create a different dynamic since this is the first time Daniel has to face an arch-enemy he ''doesn't'' have a personal relationship with. Additionally, Cobra Kai is pretty much defunct now. Kreese is a felon on the run from the law; Silver is (hopefully) going to jail for a long time what with all the assault, arson, bribery, and child abuse charges, and Kim doesn't have the charisma or the patience to recruit kids and teens and teach them from the beginning. Not to mention that if she stays in the area, she'll probably be arrested for child abuse and assault herself. Now that Silver's been arrested, she'll probably go back to Korea (though she may still be a villain for the second half of the season with the Sekai Taikai). This leaves the field essentially clear for a new villain. Enter Dugan... |
| 1444 | |
| 1445 | [[WMG: Terry Silver is SecretlyDying]] |
| 1446 | There are several hints throughout seasons 4 and 5 that Terry's days are numbered. He is seen several times with pills, and at one point a Vietnam flashback causes Terry to decide to skip breakfast. While skipping breakfast isn't unusual on its own, his butler immediately asks if he should call the doctor. Johnny and Carmen encounter him at the hospital. He had no karate-related reason to be there, and didn't even know Carmen was pregnant. It's plausible that he was there for a checkup and got the news that his condition had worsened and he was living on borrowed time. This would add context to his fixation with leaving a legacy behind, and his willingness to die "a warrior's death" when fighting Chozen during the finale. |
| 1447 | |
| 1448 | [[WMG: Kyler will finally get some CharacterDevelopment and have a HeelFaceTurn]] |
| 1449 | Seeing as he, along with the rest of Cobra Kai's students, have left the dojo after learning that Terry Silver bribed the All-Valley Tournament Judge to win, and has been beaten up by all his victims at this point, what is there left for him? Perhaps in Season 6, we'll finally see his home life, and finally see how his dad treats him, given what was alluded to in Season 3. |
| 1450 | * Uh...him trying to take all the credit for Silver's exposure leaves a ''lot'' to be desired. |
| 1451 | |
| 1452 | [[WMG: Kreese's CharacterDevelopment with his therapist and otherwise while in prison was at least partly genuine and not just an elaborate ruse]] |
| 1453 | * Rather than being the primary antagonist in the next season, Kreese will have actually turned over a new leaf and become an AntiHero despite going about things in the wrong way by at the very least violently escaping prison out of desperation (initially unaware that he would have been out in a few days anyway), or he will at least be a full-fledged AntiVillain that made a HazyFeelTurn, no longer driven by carrying out a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against Daniel, Johnny, and/or even Silver, but whose objectives and/or tendencies of ChronicVillainy still end up pitting him against the protagonists. |
| 1454 | |
| 1455 | [[WMG: Tory's mother is Julie Pierce.]] |
| 1456 | * Tory's sick mother has been TheGhost for five seasons with us, at best, catching a glimpse of her sick bed. Why would it be such a secret if she weren't a character with a big reveal due? |
| 1457 | ** Jossed. Julie can’t be Tory’s mother, because she was an only child and Tory’s mother has a sister who was introduced in Season 4. |
| 1458 | |
| 1459 | [[WMG: The victors of the Sekai Taikai are...Sam and Robby]] |
| 1460 | * Don't get us wrong, as Season 4 had two underdogs (Hawk and Tory) win the All-Valley despite Sam, Robby, and Miguel being the clear favorites. Thereby if the Sekai Taikai were to happen in Season 6, there's a possible chance someone like Demetri, Kenny, Devon, or Anthony could claim the title of World Champion. That being said, we won't count out two of the best fighters in the show who still haven't won a championship. |
| 1461 | * Miguel won back in Season 1. Hawk and Tory won three season later (despite Tory's being a major asterisk due to Silver's cheating). Again, Sam and Robby are two of the best fighters in the show, and they still haven't won a title despite being the children of two-time All-Valley champs, Daniel [=LaRusso=] and Johnny Lawrence respectively. |
| 1462 | * Not only would they fulfill their legacies of their fathers, but it also completes their long-standing arc. For Sam, not only would she get the fair win she deserves, but she'll finally be satisfied knowing her place as a [=LaRusso=] and a protege of Mr. Miyagi himself. For Robby, this will not only erase his streak of always being in 2nd place (losing to Miguel in the 2018 finals due to an injury sustained by Hawk, losing to Hawk himself after being distracted by Kenny's vicious behavior), but it would be a complete 180 from his juvenile delinquent days — finding the peace and balance that he needed throughout his whole life. Not to mention, this would be a win for Daniel and Johnny themselves — two men who have carried the show this far. |
| 1463 | |
| 1464 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Tory will win the Sekai Taikai Female Division]] |
| 1465 | * We currently have no idea how the All Valley board will respond to the cheating scandal. However it is likely Tory will be stripped of her title with Sam being labeled winner by default or a rematch is held and since Sam has been learning under three sensei's she will defeat Tory. While it is heartbreaking to see Tory lose something she worked hard for because someone else cheated on her behalf the seeds of a Tory Sekai Taikai win have already been planted. In episode 8 she mentions that she never even thought about college prior to learning of the new tournament. Of all the teen fighters (including Robby) she is the one whose life would dramatically change for the better if she won as the money from the partnerships will help her escape poverty. |
| 1466 | * Another reason for Tory winning the Sekai Taikai is her feud with Kim Da Eun. With Kim poised to take the mantle of the Big Bad in Season 6 it would poetic justice for Tory to defeat Kim's top student who Tory apparently wouldn't last one minute with, especially after the torture she subjected Tory to. |
| 1467 | * Even if nothing happens with the All-Valley, the only reason Tory won is due to Silver's bribing the ref (Sam clearly scored a couple of points that the ref didn't count). Tory winning the Sekai Taikai would give her a legitimate, uncontestable victory earned entirely through her own merit. |
| 1468 | |
| 1469 | [[WMG: Cobra Kai in the Sekai Taikai?]] |
| 1470 | * Even though Silver is arrested and his students have turned on him after the former's confession, Kim Da-Eun is still at large and currently owns 50% of the share from her deal with Terry. With Kim Da-Eun as Cobra Kai's remaining sensei and the dojo still qualified for the tournament, she'll bring in students from her own dojo back in South Korea to fight for Cobra Kai — and considering her high praise of them, they'll be a far tougher match for the Miyagi-Fangs than anyone else in the series. |
| 1471 | |
| 1472 | [[WMG: Miguel will suffer his first, true, defeat in the Sekai Taikai]] |
| 1473 | * Miguel has never lost a fair fight against anybody in the series so a loss here would up the stakes and show just how tough this world wide competition truly is. |
| 1474 | |
| 1475 | [[WMG: Kenny still resents Anthony]] |
| 1476 | * Even though Kenny quits Cobra Kai at the Season Finale after losing respect for Silver for the wicked fraud that he is, it's not like Kenny can be fully redeemed — especially in his last appearance where he needed some alone time after Robby reaches out to him. The bullying that Kenny received from Anthony is, in a realistic sense, takes quite a while for someone to fully recover, and it's clearly shown that just because Robby left Cobra Kai, he still had hatred for his now-former nemesis, Miguel. In Kenny's case, he still hates Anthony for everything that he went through, probably even more so now that he doesn't really have a dojo to align with at the moment. Someone like Robby, Miguel, or even the Senseis (Daniel, Johnny, Chozen) can intervene and end the rivalry between the two boys. |
| 1477 | ** After the toilet attack, the feeling should very well be mutual. |
| 1478 | ** Alternatively, Anthony will have a moment that cements his CharacterDevelopment by forgiving Kenny. It won't immediately mend bridges and mean that all is forgotten, but it will be a new start. |
| 1479 | ** Anthony already tried that, repeatedly, and Kenny kept pushing further including shoving Anthony's head into a shit filled toilet. Anthony tried to settle it the peaceful way and that's where it got him. He has every right to hate Kenny after that. |
| 1480 | |
| 1481 | [[WMG: Those who don't win in the kumite part of the sekai taikai will find victory in the skills division.]] |
| 1482 | * it is clear not everyone will win the Kumite portions of the tournament. This can be eased by giving our favourites a victory in the skills competition. If robby and Sam are destined to win Kumite for their dojo then Miguel, Hawk and Tory should get gold or even platinum for their performances. Hawk peforming his board demonstration and this time landing it would be a great moment for him. |
| 1483 | |
| 1484 | [[WMG: Johnny will resume leadership of Cobra Kai]] |
| 1485 | * Johnny and Daniel will reach out to Silver’s Cobras and offer to continue their training to try and undo Silver’s brainwashing. Unfortunately, some of the students won’t be able to train together because of too much bad blood and past rivalries; so Johnny will begin to train the Cobras separately, dividing the dojos once again. Since the students of both dojos earned places in the Sekai Taikai, the two Dojos will both compete in the Sekai Taikai with Johnny leading Cobra Kai and Daniel leading Miyagi-Do. |
| 1486 | |
| 1487 | [[WMG: Kreese will go after Miguel, Robby, and/or Sam]] |
| 1488 | * He knows he can't take Johnny or Daniel in a straight fight (and even if Chozen stays around, Kreese vs a sober Chozen would be hilariously one-sided). However, against any of the teens, he has years of experience, brutal ruthlessness, and raw strength on his side. So he'll seek to "punish" Daniel and Johnny by beating up their weaknesses--their kids. |
| 1489 | ** If this scenario plays out and Kreese targets Daniel and Johnny's kids (Miguel, Robby, Samantha, Anthony, and possibly even Johnny and Carmen's unborn or newborn child), he will either be JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope by "shedding his weakness" (as Terry Silver put it) and transitioning into an utterly despicable CompleteMonster that is totally BeyondRedemption (since he will be abandoning all of [[EvenEvilHasStandards his previous limits]] regarding [[WouldntHitAGirl not personally harming women]], alongside his previous [[MoralityPet twisted affection]] for his star pupil Johnny and, by extension, his offspring), and would likely also be willing to target Amanda and Carmen at that point (whereas before, he did not strike back at Amanda when she slapped him). Alternatively, if Kreese goes through this metamorphosis, even he will ''finally'' come to realize that he has [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone gone too far]] (becoming exactly like his one-time bully [[HateSink David]] who was physically abusive toward Betsy, whom he probably detests even more than [[EvilMentor Captain Turner]]), and end up pulling a RedemptionEqualsDeath somehow. |
| 1490 | ** The most likely target, actually, is Eli. Kreese probably doesn't know about Johnny's friendships with Amanda and Sam, or Daniel's with Miguel and (to a lesser extent) Carmen. While Robby is a possibility, as far as Kreese knows (unless Tory told him afterwards) he is still a loyal Cobra Kai student. Plus, he might still have enough regard for Johnny not to want to hurt his son. However, Kreese knows that Eli "betrayed" Cobra Kai by defecting during the house fight, prevented Cobra Kai from winning the male division of the 51st All-Valley, and is a student of both Johnny and Daniel, meaning that he can revenge himself on both men with one assault. Uh-oh... |
| 1491 | |
| 1492 | [[WMG: Kreese will also attempt to recruit Tory]] |
| 1493 | * He'll see her as probably the only person who's still loyal to him. However, Tory, who is much more balanced thanks to the positive influences of Robby and Amanda, will turn him down and cast her lot in once and for all with Miyagi-Fang. |
| 1494 | ** If Tory rejects the offer, and Kreese has become a more despicable rather than a more decent character (as outlined above), he might be willing to physically, mentally, or emotionally retaliate against Tory as well. |
| 1495 | |
| 1496 | [[WMG: The new name of the Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang dojo]] |
| 1497 | * Will not be "Miyagi-Fang," but represent the nature of both, perhaps a Japanese term that sounds sufficiently "badass." |
| 1498 | |
| 1499 | [[WMG: Tory's father is Dutch.]] |
| 1500 | * As of Season 5's conclusion, the identity Tory's father is still a complete mystery, especially regarding possible theories being Terry Silver and Mike Barnes seemingly thrown out the window (Silver in particular having a partner ''very late'' in his life, admitting to no children, living a peaceful life after years of therapy in wake of his '85 All-Valley loss, and his possible past relationship with Tory being completely unexplored during Terry's reappearance; Barnes being reformed after ''Film/TheKarateKidPartIII'' and happily married). So who might be a more reasonable option? Dutch is the only other character so far in the series that never went through an on-screen redemption arc, as he is still in prison to this day in the Miyagi-verse. Tory never explains that she had a dad in a life and is currently living in poverty — Kandace drops the ball that her father was aggressive just like Tory during their confrontation at the Reseda Cobra Kai dojo. Considering Dutch's vicious nature and current situation, it wouldn't be out of place for him to continue acting like that in adulthood. |
| 1501 | |
| 1502 | [[WMG: The Season 6 Finale will set up spin-off series for the teen cast]] |
| 1503 | * Since not every teen character can win the finale will instead set upfuture spin offs where they can re-enter the Sekai Taikai for their own shot at glory. That and the possibility of sponsorships for high-ranking competitors even if they aren't winners. If Tory for example doesn't win she can still get something out of this experience and could get another chance to compete. |
| 1504 | |
| 1505 | [[WMG: What Will Happen in The Sekai Taikai?]] |
| 1506 | * "You're the Best Around" will finally be used. |
| 1507 | * Bert will be shown advancing in the tournament this time, as opposed to his prior two bouts in the tournament. |
| 1508 | * As a plot twist, the 2010 Karate Kid will be confirmed to take place in this universe with The Fighting Dragons being one of the competing schools. |
| 1509 | ** WordOfGod is that the 2010 Karate Kid is fictional in-universe, though a cameo/mythology nod isn't out of the question. |
| 1510 | * Neither Miyagi-Fang nor Cobra Kai will take home the gold. |
| 1511 | |
| 1512 | [[WMG: The Final Battle]] |
| 1513 | * The senseis and students of Cobra Kai and the senseis and students of Miyagi-Fang will have a fight after the Sekai Taikai. Kreese and Johnny will have their final battle, and similarly to Daniel vs Silver in Season 5, Johnny will use a combination of techniques and defeat Kreese once and for all. |
| 1514 | |
| 1515 | [[WMG:Tory's mum will pass away in season 6.]] |
| 1516 | * The last time we saw her in season 5's penultimate episode, she was on a hospital bed at her home. Maybe Tory seemingly has a happier day than usual, culminating in her receiving a call from health services regarding this passing. It could then lead to a legal battle between Tory and her aunt over custody of Brandon, where these things could happen: |
| 1517 | ** Tory's aunt presents her case by claiming that she hasn't changed by pointing out Tory's past mistakes. Other than the school fight and house brawl, we could learn more about Tory's troubled past this way. |
| 1518 | ** As for Tory, she will explain that she will always regret whatever mistakes she made, but that won't mean that she cannot try to be better. Sam and Amanda will support her testimony, as Sam already witnessed Tory's conditions and Amanda actually encouraged Tory to seek professional help. Having Sam fight ''for'' Tory instead of ''against'' her would also nicely bring their story full circle. |
| 1519 | ** When factoring in these two sides, Tory may end up winning the case, which angers the aunt enough to blow her cover and confirm Tory's honesty. |
| 1520 | |
| 1521 | [[WMG:[[spoiler:Carmen's baby will be a girl.]]]] |
| 1522 | * It would quite the twist. And it would provide comedy in the form of Johnny trying to figure out girls. |
| 1523 | |
| 1524 | [[WMG:Kreese and Kim Da-Eun will team up in season 6.]] |
| 1525 | * [[spoiler:Having escaped from prison in the season 5 finale, Kreese will seek Kim's help to get him out of the country and back to Korea, where the two senseis decide to unite and take over Cobra Kai to train new students for the Sekai Taikai.]] |
| 1526 | |
| 1527 | [[WMG:The last episode will be called "Ex-Degenerate".]] |
| 1528 | * Because the first episode was named "Ace Degenerate", which can complete the CallBack of Johnny's introduction in ''Film/TheKarateKid1984''. |
| 1529 | ** Another possibility is "Ace Regenerated." |
| 1530 | |
| 1531 | [[WMG: At some point Johnny will demonstrate a technique/lesson learned from Chozen offscreen during Season Five]] |
| 1532 | * The philosophy of Eagle Fang has been "don't start the fight, but finish it however you have to," which lines up pretty squarely with Chozen's "If an enemy insists on war, take away their ability to wage it." In the same way Daniel used Silver's own training against him, this will signify Johnny's character development and be one more way to show that the new dojo is truly one, united school rather than two schools that train together. |
| 1533 | |
| 1534 | [[WMG: Miyagi Fang Will Lose in Season 6.]] |
| 1535 | * The Sekai Taikai is an international tournament, so the stakes are much higher. Although disappointing, Miyagi Fang losing isn't necessarily an unexpected outcome. However, compared to how he was at the start of the series, Johnny would tell the students that they shouldn't let one loss define their lives, as taking his own loss to heart led to bad consequences and he doesn't want that to happen with the students. |
| 1536 | |
| 1537 | [[WMG: Robby Will Open His Own Dojo]] |
| 1538 | * As seen in Season 4, Robby is an excellent teacher. Add that to the fact that he is a prodigy who was a leader in two different dojos, and he could teach future generations. |
| 1539 | ** Currently, Robby's only been training for about a year and a half, which means that in martial arts terms, he's still a beginner who barely knows anything. However, this could happen in a flash-forward at the end of the season, showing that he's really taken the lessons of both his father and his sensei to heart. |
| 1540 | |
| 1541 | [[WMG: Season Six will have Daniel bonding with Carmen]] |
| 1542 | * While Johnny's unlikely friendship with Amanda is long-running, Daniel and Carmen haven't had a lot of one-on-one interaction. Hopefully, this season will show us more of their bond as well. |
| 1543 | [[WMG: Someone is going to make a comment about Anthony’s height]] |
| 1544 | * In the BTS picture that was uploaded on social media a few months ago, it was shown that Griffin Santopietro has grown to be even taller than the original Karate Kid actors and while he was 17 when the picture was taken, Anthony is only supposed to be 14 In Universe. Johnny is very likely to comment on his height, saying something among the lines of: |
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