Line #17 Trivia/Thief


1	* ActingForTwo:
2	** You'd never know it from just playing, but Garrett, Karras, Raoul the beggar, certain Hammerites and "Benny" the comedic guard are all voiced by Creator/StephenRussell. This happens a lot for many other characters, too.
3	** Done in a slightly more in-universe sense for the Children of Karras, the robots whose voices are simply ''Karras' voice recorded''.
4	* AlternativeForeignThemeSong: ''VideoGame/ThiefIITheMetalAge'' provides a peculiar example in its German (and only German) localization. The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVawf1l5zc0 credits video]] for the game and a few ambients in certain in-game locations [[https://youtu.be/M6sDJ5fDadI?t=61 use]] the song "Accingite Vos", by the German band Subway to Sally. Weirdly, all other versions of the game ''don't'' include it, to the point that even in the English language version, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1bdfx4fP24 there is]] ''no background music in the credits video''. The length of the credits video and how well it syncs with the song seems to indicate it was originally planned to be released as part of the non-German versions too (including the original English language one), but some last-minute copyright issue probably prevented that. Some surviving [[http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123254 online news releases]] from the time of the game's development indicate this might have been the case, as there was no mention of the band contributing music only to the German language version of the game.
5	* CompletelyDifferentTitle: Overlaps with MarketBasedTitle in a few places.
6	** '''Germany'''
7	*** ''Dark Project : Der Meisterdieb'' ("Dark Project : The Master Thief")
8	*** ''Dark Project - Der Meisterdieb : Directors Cut Premier Collection'' (yes, it's ''Thief Gold'')
9	*** ''Dark Project II: The Metal Age''
10	** '''France'''
11	*** ''Dark Project : La guilde des voleurs'' ("Dark Project : The Guild of Thieves")
12	*** ''Dark Project II: L'Age de Métal'' ("Dark Project II: The Age of Metal")
13	*** ''Dark Project III: Deadly Shadows''
14	** '''Italy'''
15	*** ''Dark Project : L'Ombra del Ladro'' ("Dark Project : The Shadow of the Thief")
16	** '''Russia'''
17	*** ''Thief 3: Тень смерти''' ("Thief 3: The Shadow of Death")
18	** '''Poland'''
19	*** ''Thief 3: Zlowieszcze Cienie'' ("Thief 3: Ominous Shadows")
20	* TheDanza: Keeper Nate in ''The Metal Age'' is a nod to his voice actor, Nate Wells (who also voiced Keeper Artemus, creating something of a ContinuitySnarl).
21	* DescendedCreator: Many of characters in the series were voiced by the developers themselves, something that was a tradition in several other Creator/LookingGlassStudios games or games LGS employees had worked on.
22	** Terri Brosius voiced Viktoria in both ''The Dark Project'' and ''The Metal Age'', and Edwina Moira, Lauryl and Marla Madison in ''Deadly Shadows''. She also provided some of the voice samples for ghostly figures from the first two games.
23	** Dan Thron voices a whole range of characters, including the "Smart Guard", crime boss Ramirez, Garrett's former associate Cutty, various City Watch members and civilian characters, and even [[ArtifactOfDoom The Eye]]. He also voiced the first iteration of Keeper Orland during his {{early bird cameo}} in ''The Metal Age''.
24	** Nate Wells is the voice of Garrett's mentor, Keeper Artemus, in ''The Dark Project'' and ''Deadly Shadows'', and also voices the {{bit character}} Keeper [[TheDanza Nate]] in ''The Metal Age''.
25	** The Masked Servants of the Mechanists from ''The Metal Age'' are voice-acted by Laura Baldwin, the main storywriter for the first two games. Her voice is quite distorted and modified, though still recognisable.
26	** Randy Smith voice acted Brother Murus in ''The Dark Project''.
27	** Eric Brosius, sound designer and composer for the series, voices the [[spoiler:animated statue]] monsters and some of the Kurshok in ''Deadly Shadows''.
28	** Sara Verilli voices the Library Ghost in one mission of ''The Metal Age''.
29	** Ian Vogel voices some of the mage {{NPC}}s in ''The Dark Project''.
30	** Creator/JoshRandall voices the Keeper instructor {{NPC}}s in the tutorial mission of ''The Dark Project''.
31	** Mike Chrzanowski voices some of the armed thief {{NPC}}s in the first two games.
32	* DummiedOut:
33	** Several overheard conversations were removed from the final releases, but probably the most interesting is one that actually describes what "taffer" means, at least in the Thiefverse. [[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/TG_resources_conversations#Unused35 Apparently]], it's [[IHaveManyNames yet another name for the Trickster]] that entered the common parlance [[GetTheeToANunnery without people realizing it.]]
34	** Another dummied out feature was the multiplayer, planned for already the first game, but only implemented into the second one. And even then, the game shipped without the multiplayer feature being playable. After years of modding attempts, the multiplayer feature was restored and polished enough to be decently playable. While ''Thief'' multiplayer matches aren't a very frequent occurence, they are played by some of the fans from time to time.
35	** Garrett would have originally retained a sword in ''Deadly Shadows'', but after the decision was made to switch to a dagger, the only remnant of this [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/thief/images/d/dd/WEPxSHORTSWORD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120813222956 is]] a mostly untextured sword model.
36	** A collection of several other features, concepts and {{NPC}}s that didn't make it into the final games can be seen [[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Cut_Material here]].
37	** While still present in the game files, Scurry Bot was cut from the final release and doesn't make an appearance in ''The Metal Age''. That didn't stop the fans from occasionally reintroducing it in [[GameMod the fan missions]]...
38	* FanCommunityNicknames: ''Thief'' fans are simply "Taffers", based on the fictional cussword used for the setting's thieves and general low-lifes.
39	* GameMod: In addition to [[https://thief.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Fan_Missions fan missions]] for the three original games themselves, [[https://thief.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Mods_for_non-Thief_games there are several]] mods, total conversions and even a whole FanRemake that utilise the same basic style of presentation and gameplay (but with setting elements that avoid any copyright infringement).
40	** ''[[https://www.thedarkmod.com/main/ The Dark Mod]]'', a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Mod freeware]] FanRemake [[AdaptationDistillation of the style of gameplay and esthetics as seen in the entire original trilogy]]. Runs on the ''[[VideoGame/{{Doom}} Doom 3]]'' engine and comes with its own separate editor toolkit, Dark Radiant. Fan-developed missions and scenarios can be downloaded directly within the game, via a built-in utility. After spending years (since 2004) in continuous development and testing (during which players needed copies of ''Doom 3'' to run it), it was finally released as a complete standalone, for free, in October 2013. It won PC Gamer's [[http://www.pcgamer.com/mod-of-the-year-the-dark-mod/ 2013 "Mod of the Year" Award]]. The game is still in continuous development, adding improved gameplay, technical aspects and new assets through regular updates every few months. The game installer doubles as an updater for just this purpose. In spring 2017, the game successfully [[https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=858048394 got greenlit]] at Steam Greenlight. As of 2024, version 2.12 of ''The Dark Mod'' has already left support for 32-bit systems behind, is now 64-bit only, has support for Windows, Linux, roundabout ways to play on OS X (making it, ironically, more cross-platform than the actual ''Thief'' series, its inspiration), is still improving upon graphical, audio and user-friendly features, and [[https://www.thedarkmod.com/missions/ has well over 200 missions]], many forming their own mission series or even small campaigns. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brJqHnXmpgE Not bad]] for a completely freeware, completely non-commercial and hobbyist effort.
41	** ''[[https://www.thieveryut.com/Thievery Thievery]]'', a multiplayer mod for Unreal Tournament, with opposing teams of city guards and professional thieves in the vein of those from the series.
42	** ''[[https://thief.fandom.com/wiki/Thieves_Arsenal Thieves Arsenal]]'', a mod for ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02NRheE_LWQ which adds special thieving equipment]] in the style of ''Thief'', such as the blackjack and various {{Trick Arrow}}s (including water arrows, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyx23OY8Nk rope arrows]] and even the vine arrows).
43	** ''[[https://thief.fandom.com/wiki/Nightblade Nightblade]]'' was a multiplayer mod/game project similar to ''Thievery'', but with more up to date tech behind it. Unfortunately, its development seems to have stalled in recent years, as there's not much news coming out about it.
44	* LawyerFriendlyCameo: In the aforementioned ''The Dark Mod'', this applies to names and details of concepts from the original series, due to the game being a freeware {{fan remake}}. While the names of the gadgets and equipment [[AvertedTrope don't have a problem with this]], the names of factions, creatures and some of the locales had to be modified a bit in order to avoid copyright issues/lawsuits. The changes go like this:
45	** [[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Hammerite Hammerites]] -> [[http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Builders Builders]] (also, their [[http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/images/8/8b/Bannerbuilder.jpg insignia]] has a Mechanist-like gear in addition to the hammer)
46	** [[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Mechanist Mechanists]] -> [[http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Inventor%27s_Guild Inventor's Guild]] (only a loose analogue, they still build robots, but are new faction instead of a rival church)
47	** [[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Haunt (Hammer) Haunts]] -> [[http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Undead Revenants]]
48	** [[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Burrick Burricks]] -> [[http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Belchers Belchers]]
49	** [[DependingOnTheWriter Depending on the mission author]], [[http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=The_City The City]] can be just called "The City" ([[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/The_City as in the series]]), or have "Bridgeport" as its common name, or have a different common name altogether.
50	* [[DeletedScene Missing Scene]]: Due to some compatibility issues with newer operating systems, Thief I and II would seem to "omit" all the cutscenes in the games, including those in which Garrett is briefed about the next mission, or even the credits cutscene. As such, the player often starts a mission with only basic instructions to follow and no context. Rather than a real omission of files, it was caused by the ancient version of Bink video bundled with the game being incompatible with more modern versions of Windows (from Windows 7 onward). The first two games were compatibility nightmares for a while, being targeted to one of the original iterations of MediaNotes/DirectX. Websites with patched versions of the rendering libraries will normally have links to updated video libraries, too. In later years, the third game also required some patching for better compatibility. Dilligent fan efforts sine the late 2000s and early 2010s at creating patches have thankfully alleviated all these problems, so much so that even digital sellers such as GOG.com recommend using the latest version of an easy-to-install fan patch (T-Fix, Taffer Patcher, Sneaky Upgrade) in order to run each of the individual games properly and make them more open to modding and running fan missions as well.
51	* TheOtherDarrin: Aside of the complete recasting for the 2014 reboot, some of the voice actors for characters from the original trilogy were recast between installments.
52	** Keeper Orland is voiced by Dan Thron in ''The Metal Age'' and by Ken Webster in ''Deadly Shadows''.
53	** Interpreter Caduca was voiced by Esra Gaffin in ''The Metal Age'' and Paula Rester in ''Deadly Shadows''.
54	** Translator Gamall was voiced by Nancy Taylor in ''The Metal Age'' and Terri Brosius in ''Deadly Shadows''. (Both only did her pre-{{reveal}} voice, a different actress portrayed her monstrous voice.)
55	** Larkspur is voiced by two different actors in ''The Metal Age'' and ''Deadly Shadows''. His appearances in the latter are non-scripted only. In the former, he has a fairly deep voice and only appears in a single cutscene.
56	* {{Podcast}}
57	** Creator/LookingGlassStudios has one dedicated to its legacy in game development history. It includes interviews with the ''Thief'' and ''VideoGame/SystemShock'' creators. They can be found [[http://gambit.mit.edu/updates/audio/looking_glass_studios_podcast/ here]].
58	** Since the early history of Creator/IrrationalGames is linked with Looking Glass Studios, the [[http://irrationalgames.com/insider/irrational-behavior/introducing-irrational-behavior/ first episode]] of IG's podcast Irrational Behaviour was dedicated to the role some of the LGS/IG developers played in the making of the earlier ''VideoGame/SystemShock'' game and the making of the ''{{VideoGame/Thief}}'' series. For the particular bit of the episode that discusses ''{{VideoGame/Thief}}'', go [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYdIVAfLNnA here]].
59	* [https://www.youtube.com/@thiefpodcast Inside at Last], a podcast running sicne the 2010s, about the ''Thief'' series, its development history, retrospective interviews with its developers, as well as about its fan-made content, including fan missions, modding efforts, spinoff fan game projects in the vein of ''Thief'', etc.
60	* UrbanLegendOfZelda:
61	** The infamous [[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Bow_Upgrade Bow Upgrade]] that was supposedly hidden somewhere in the first game. This is an old RunningGag that became HilariousInHindsight when newly released screenshots and footage of ''Thief IV'' came out, showing a more steampunkish compound bow, rather than the simpler one that Garrett used in the previous games. As many fans have noted, Garrett seems to have finally found that long sought-after upgrade!
62	** Some players reported that, in ''Deadly Shadows'' a disturbing hint about [[CreepyChild little Gamall]]'s true nature occasionally appears when you sneak up on her NPC in the Keeper Library. Ultimately, this rumour proved ''[[FridgeHorror true]]'', as seen in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QueVzr8aA-c this video]]. On a less disturbing note, it's an NPC height glitch (as Gamall is the only child-height NPC in the game), not something the developers intended on purpose. Either way, a rather spooky sight...
63	* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
64	** The whole series [[StealthPun might have never seen the light of day]] if the developers at Creator/LookingGlassStudios decided to stick with their original ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIMzs5O3QWo Dark Camelot]]'' concept (started around 1996). It was basically an innovative {{RPG}} set in a DarkerAndEdgier inversion of the Arthurian mythos, full of AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of classic Arthurian characters (for one, Mordred was actually the protagonist and was more morally ambiguous than evil). While still an interesting [[http://web.archive.org/web/20080507182848/http://darkfate.ru/index.cgi?thumbs=files/images/screenshots/thief1 action-adventure]] [[http://darkfate.org/view/simple/files/images/screenshots/thief1/old_dp game]], ''Dark Camelot'' mostly had little to do with stealth gameplay mechanics. Thankfully, part of the reason why LGS decided to risk it with remaking the game into a fully fledged stealth title (with a completely different, if thematically similar setting and protagonist), was because the Dark Engine couldn't handle swordfighting physics too well and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG9C4ouE1Fw most missions consisted of breaking in into castles or manors of the enemy factions]]. Those two increasingly problematic aspects of the gameplay gave the devs an idea... After slightly more than a year of intensive rebuilding of some of the core mechanics and concepts of the game, ''[[WorkingTitle The Dark Project]]'' finally got finished. After some [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ZNmMqTbZ8 early]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGRVuWpZ9lE trailers]] got released and most bugs got fixed, the game underwent one final rename : To ''{{VideoGame/Thief}} : The Dark Project''. And the rest [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlmMu53tZw0&NR=1 is history]]...
65	*** A small ShoutOut to ''Thief''[='=]s peculiar beginnings is the name of the LevelEditor for the first two games: [=DromEd=]. The reference [[PunnyName being a pun on]] "Camelot". "Camel(ot)" = "'''Dromed'''ary Camel", get it ?
66	** An archived version of the website with a development log and news about the first game can be read [[https://web.archive.org/web/20110410001118/http://www.ttlg.com/thief/html/info.htm here]]. An archived version of the first game's original promotional website is [[http://www.thief-thecircle.com/darkproj/ here]].
67	** ''[[http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Thief_II_Gold Thief II Gold]]'', planned before {{Creator/Looking Glass Studios}} went under. A journal by a designer [[http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108070 hints towards]] a mission going up against necromancers, and another planned during an active raid. There have been repeated attempts at a FanRemake of sorts, utilizing what has been preserved or documented about these unfinished missions to create a string or campaign made up of them, as an ersatz replacement for the unreleased expansion pack or Gold edition. So far, only one such recreation of an unmade mission has been finished and made available for download. The [[http://www.thiefmissions.com/thief2gold/index.htm remake project]] has currently entered yet another hiatus.
68	** Prior to ''VideoGame/ThiefDeadlyShadows'', Looking Glass was going to make ''Thief III''.
69	** Concept art for the first three games show several weapon, tool and creature ideas that didn't make it into the final releases. One of the more novel ideas for ''Deadly Shadows'' was a mine-shaped [[http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/32ae/92253c3hdnlbv2lfg.jpg "noise supressor"]] gadget, which would presumably create a small area of total silence around its perimeter, allowing Garrett to be noisier than usual during a heist.

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