Line #12 RootingForTheEmpire/LiveActionFilms


1	!! RealLife Examples:
2	* This is a very common attitude regarding {{Slasher Movie}}s like ''Franchise/FridayThe13th'' or ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'', as the protagonists are often [[TheGenericGuy generic]] and/or [[TooDumbToLive idiotic]], and most of them are certain to get killed before the end, so even though the villains are monstrously evil {{Serial Killer}}s, the audience will usually just end up wanting them to see them rack up a big body count rather than seeing the protagonists defeat the killer because [[TooBleakStoppedCaring it's likely hopeless]] for them [[JokerImmunity to kill the antagonist anyway]], and [[JustHereForGodzilla you don't go into a slasher movie not wanting to see people getting slashed]].
3	* Many of the characters in ''Film/{{Alien 3}}'' were rapists, murderers or generic criminal scum. They were so unlovable that you just didn't care if they lived or died, especially as waves of pre-release criticism meant everyone knew the series was past the point of no return anyway (in the Assembly Cut, an inmate named Junior attempts to rape Ripley with a group of other prisoners, then looks at her sympathetically later when the eponymous creature corners him). It was hard not to whisper "Come on, ''get 'im''!" or "Go on, eat your dinner!" whenever the alien cornered an inmate.
4	* Quite a few people who are familiar with ''Film/{{Animal House}}'' end up sympathizing with [[DeanBitterman Dean Wormer.]] ''No'' sane college administration would want the [[WackyFratboyHijinx Deltas]] around, and it's likely that the entire faculty, and a lot of the other students, were sick and tired of their endless destructive pranks.
5	* ''Film/{{Avatar}}'', due to its {{Anvilicious}} GreenAesop gets a lot of backlash against the Na'vi and root for RDA despite the fact that they were willing to commit genocide against an entire species. This is ''especially'' true of Colonel Quaritch (see the ColonelBadass page). In fact, so many viewers found themselves rooting for the Colonel that Creator/JamesCameron has already promised that Quaritch will be reappearing in every sequel.
6	* Those unfortunate enough to watch ''Film/BioDome'' cheered when the scientists decided to lock Bud and Doyle inside the Bio-Dome to die.
7	* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' films:
8	** The [[Series/Batman1966 TV series]] was already known for its colorful villains, so when it came time to do ''Film/BatmanTheMovie'', the big draw was that Batman had to face [[VillainTeamUp the four most popular villains from the series]].
9	** The ''Film/BatmanFilmSeries'' all had a great deal of hype surrounding who the villains would be and who would be playing them. In fact, the villain roles often went to bigger stars such as Creator/JackNicholson, Creator/MichellePfeiffer, Creator/JimCarrey, Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger, and Creator/UmaThurman. It helped that the series had the tendency to have its villains be {{Jerkass Woobie}}s, with backstories to [[FreudianExcuse justify their nastiness]]; Jack Napier was [[EvilVersusEvil himself a victim of conspiracy and betrayal]] (although he partially brought it on himself), Oswald Cobblepot had just about the worst life anyone could imagine, Selina Kyle was repressing a whole lot of rage at workplace mistreatment, Edward Nygma worked for a ''very'' [[PointyHairedBoss high-handed supervisor]], Victor Fries nearly lost his wife, and Pamela Isley had her research stolen and perverted toward evil purposes. Not to mention that Napier, Cobblepot, Kyle and Isley all survived ''attempts on their life''.
10	** ''Film/BatmanBegins'' avoided this with the first film since it was promoted as [[ContinuityReboot a return to the big screen for Batman]] while his villains were given little fanfare (and this one technically had four villains from the comics). ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' invoked this trope considerably due to 1) ComicBook/TheJoker returning to the big screen 2) Despite the darker approach, still being as captivating and LaughablyEvil as Jack Nicholson and Creator/CesarRomero 3) Creator/HeathLedger passing away shortly after the movie was completed. Ledger became the first actor in history to ''win an Oscar'' ([[DeadArtistsAreBetter albeit posthumously]]) for playing a character in a film adaptation of a comic, although Creator/AlPacino, Creator/PaulNewman, and Creator/WilliamHurt had all previously been nominated. Then ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' combined both, giving much focus to the villains but making their plans and actions too extreme for audiences to prefer them to Batman.
11	* Music/DannyElfman recalled in an interview for ''Hollywood Backstories'' on how some men in test screenings for ''Film/EdwardScissorhands'' were rooting for Jim due to sympathizing with how a "fag" could steal his girlfriend.
12	* Who isn't rooting for Castor Troy in ''Film/FaceOff''? Craziness aside, he stops his own bomb, is friendlier with Archer's FBI agents, and pretty much becomes a significantly better husband and father to Eve and Jamie and even beats up a boyfriend who tries to rape Jamie.
13	* In ''Film/FerrisBuellersDayOff'', Ed Rooney is only trying to prove to the world that Ferris is a truant, pathological liar who neither deserves the endless praise he gets nor should be allowed to skip school whenever he feels like it. Even though the principal goes a bit too far in trying to prove the truth about Bueller, it is easy to sympathize with the man's desire to finally bring a KarmaHoudini down. Alternatively it isn't so much rooting for Rooney (who is kind of a jerk) as rooting ''against'' Ferris (who is just as much of a jerk, and annoyingly smug to boot, some people even thinking Ferris shows signs of [[TheSociopath sociopathy]]). Heck [[https://youtu.be/KKnP4dKIRvU even Dr Insano, who’d normally root for someone like Ferris, hates him with a passion and roots for Rooney.]]
14	* ''Film/FunnyMan'': Okay, was anyone seriously rooting for the stupid or obnoxious human characters to make it out of the castle alive? The Funny Man is by far the most entertaining character on screen, despite being a demonic trickster who starts off his killing spree by murdering a child.
15	* Happens with ''Film/GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra'' as a result of part [[DracoInLeatherPants Baroness in Tight Asshugging Leather Pants]], part dislike of the comparatively flat characters of the Joes.
16	* ''{{Franchise/Godzilla}}'' has always been cheered and supported even when he is a destructive antagonist. However, this is best exemplified in the film ''Film/GodzillaMothraKingGhidorahGiantMonstersAllOutAttack'' when Godzilla is made into a demonic, malevolent force fighting against the "good monsters" Baragon, Mothra, and King Ghidorah. Guess who the fans were cheering for the most. However this was the first and only instance of a genuinely evil Godzilla, and he hadn't exactly done anything other, more neutral incarnations hadn't. It didn't help that of the three "Good" monsters, two of them were the ''villains'' in their previous appearances. Even when Godzilla is evil, cheering him on against ''[[BigBad King Ghidorah]]'' is instinct.
17	* In ''Film/{{Godzilla 2014}}'', this can certainly happen with the Mutos, for the sheer reason that they're the ones who drive the plot. They're badass, almost take Godzilla down, and their main goal is simply to reunite with each other. Aside from them, we have [[EnsembleDarkhorse one interesting human character]] who only lasts half an hour, his son, who is seen by many as flat and uninteresting, and Godzilla himself, who gets sparse screentime compared to the Mutos, to the point that he's effectively a secondary character in his own movie.
18	* Modern audiences who watch ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'', and are not as in love with [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar the Confederacy]] as the filmmakers seem to be, may find themselves cheering at the Burning of Atlanta. (Ironically, when the film was released, most Atlantans were not offended at the Burning of Atlanta; [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity they were just happy that a film had been made about "them."]])
19	* ''Film/GreenLantern2011'', where the hero is a lazy, irresponsible, egotistical {{jerkass}}, and the villain, a smart, responsible, shy man who's been bullied by his father his entire life. Things get ridiculous when you take into account that the hero [[CharacterDevelopment becomes more responsible and down-to-earth]] while the villain goes AxCrazy and [[MoralEventHorizon murders his own father]]... in both cases jumpstarted by alien influences beyond their control! Had their places been swapped...
20	* ''Film/HocusPocus'': Nearly everyone who watches the film (and especially the now-twenty-somethings who first watched it as children and made it into a CultClassic) actively roots for the Sanderson Sisters to succeed, despite their plan being to [[VampiricDraining suck the life]] out of [[WouldHurtAChild every child in Salem, Massachusetts]]. Creator/BetteMidler (Winifred), Kathy Najimy (Mary), and Creator/SarahJessicaParker (Sarah) do such a [[LargeHam wondrously hammy]] job of selling the witches as comic, occasionally inept villains that it's easy to forget that they're extremely powerful and dangerous. It helps that [[WordOfGod Midler herself has gone on record]] as saying that ''Hocus Pocus'' is her favorite film in her career. For proof, take a look at the sheer amount of merchandise that's been released over the years--it's pretty much completely centered on Winnie, Sarah, and Mary (the only other character who's featured is Binx, with the three human protagonists barely appearing at all). The fans' devotion to the Sandersons has led to ''Theatre/HocusPocusVillainSpelltacular'' during Mickey's Not-So-Scary Halloween Party at Walt Disney World in 2015--that is, ''twenty-two years'' after the movie debuted--which reveals that the witches survived the encounter (or, at least, can be revived on Halloween night again). Needless to say, the fans were positively ecstatic, and the Spelltacular has become the centerpiece of the event every year since.
21	* In the 2000 adaptation of ''Film/HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas'', viewers actually sympathized with the titular Grinch over the Whos, thanks to both giving him a [[FreudianExcuse sympathetic backstory]] of [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer being belittled by the Whos as a child]] and showing the Whos as materialistic, greedy {{Jerkass}}es. It also helps with [[ChewingTheScenery the bombastic performance]] of Creator/JimCarrey.
22	* Many viewers of ''Film/TheIsland2005'' felt that [[ExpendableClone Jordan Two Delta should have sacrificed her life for her sponsor Sarah Jordan,]] a model and actress who'd suffered multiple organ failure after a car crash, because of [[ThinkOfTheChildren said actress having children]]. This, despite the fact that [[ClonesArePeopleToo Jordan is her own person with her own mind, not the lifeless vegetable Dr. Merrick said his 'agnates' were]]. They also tend to ignore the fact that [[AllForNothing Sarah Jordan is braindead, and Jordan Two Delta's organs wouldn't do a thing for her anyway]].
23	* ''Film/JamesBond'': ''Film/TheSpyWhoLovedMe'': According to Creator/RichardKiel, who played [[ImplacableMan Jaws]], Jaws' survival at the end was met with giant applause at several screenings. He might be a villain, but he's such a {{Determinator}} that after a while you sort of root for him.
24	* Sometimes happens with the shark in ''Film/{{Jaws}}''. Mostly due to RuleOfCool - and also the shark being on its own against three better equipped human protagonists, which just doesn't seem fair. Creator/StevenSpielberg admitted that when he read the book, he disliked the characters so much [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3400291.stm he wanted the shark to win]]. It's one of the reasons he applied some AdaptationDistillation and AdaptationalSympathy for the major characters.\
25	And then there are those who react against [[http://oceanencounters.net/journal/2009/11/the-jaws-syndrome/ the Jaws syndrome]], and the fact that in RealLife for every human killed by a shark in any given year for the past several decades, ''millions'' of sharks are killed by humans - that's over six degrees of magnitude, and is slowly driving many shark species (who as apex predators aren't that numerous compared to most marine wildlife) to extinction.
26	* Try not to cheer for Creator/JetLi's Wah Sing Ku in ''Film/LethalWeapon4''. While a villain who is planning to free his bosses and kicks pregnant women to the face, he does it with style.
27	* ''Film/ManOfSteel'': Some found Zod to be a much more sympathetic and developed character than Superman himself despite his crossings into the MoralEventHorizon. This could be attributed to Creator/MichaelShannon's emotional portrayal of him, showing how dedicated he is to follow his fate as Krypton's top warrior. Especially his justification for his actions- he was literally ''[[InTheBlood born]]'' to be a warrior and protect Krypton and its citizens, ''no matter what''. His VillainousBreakdown towards the end, where he claims that Superman has taken his soul by [[spoiler:destroying any hope of rebuilding Krypton]], [[TearJerker/ManOfSteel definitely helped cement this.]]
28	* ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'':
29	** ''Film/{{Thor}}'': Sure, Loki tries to commit genocide -- but he's such a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] along the way that a lot of people feel [[CryForTheDevil sorry for him]]. It got more intense when ''Film/{{The Avengers\|2012}}'' rolled around, despite him becoming outright ''nuts''. After the death of [[spoiler:Frigga]] he gets even more sympathy especially since [[spoiler:he's not allowed to attend her funeral]].
30	** Several ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' fans side with [[TragicVillain Killmonger]], outright calling him "[[http://junkee.com/black-panther-killmonger-hero/147096 the]] [[http://afropunk.com/2018/02/killmonger-real-hero-refuse-assimilate-elitist-blackness-leaves-many-behind/ real]] [[https://thetylt.com/entertainment/erik-killmonger-black-panther-hero-villain hero]]". Granted, he experienced the worst of American racism and rightfully points out Wakanda's complicity in atrocities against Africans by refusing to intervene outside of preserving its isolationism. That said, there's also the tiny little issue of him having a black supremacist views with openly genocidal intentions, and the implication that he doesn't care about other people or his supposed principles as much as he does about venting his wrath, but those are trivial details.
31	** In ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', some fans want [[OmnicidalManiac Thanos]] to complete the Infinity Gauntlet and kill the MCU heroes. This maybe due to Creator/{{Josh Brolin}}'s compelling performance as Thanos, the mad titan's surprisingly sympathetic backstory, agreement with his views on [[OverpopulationCrisis a universe with just too much life]], or fans who are sick of the overuse of DisneyDeath for the heroes (despite the fact that this had already been averted in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' and ''Film/ThorRagnarok''). Of course with him being the VillainProtagonist, many fans feel that Thanos has to win in order to live up to the hype. [[spoiler: Notably, these fans got their wish – though Thanos did not kill all of the heroes, he killed the majority of them, along with half of all living things - plant life included.]]
32	** The Ghost from ''Film/AntManAndTheWasp'' is a tragic character whose [[BlessedWithSuck powers are slowly killing her]], and her goal for the movie is simply to survive, making it very easy to root for her. Also helping things is that she actively avoids trying to kill anybody, even though her end plan, and the entire reason she is a villain at all, is to kill an innocent person in hopes it will cure her condition. [[spoiler: Fans wanting to see her win did get their wish as the Ghost does survive the movie and makes a HeelFaceTurn.]]
33	* ''Film/NothingButTrouble'': Who cares about the dull and snooty leads? The JP has an automated fortress, kills bankers, klansmen, and hare krishnas on a rock & roll rollercoaster, loves hip hop, fought for his country in the Great War, dotes on his granddaughter, is still nimble enough to fight Chris with a sword, and [[spoiler:is a beloved friend of the state of New Jersey.]]
34	* In the movie ''Film/{{Orphan}}'', it's easy to start rooting for the psychopathic Esther over the rest of the family, who (barring [[CuteMute Max]]) are all selfish, whiny idiots. Esther [[MagnificentBastard plays them all so expertly]] that you kind of have to start admiring her methods, and she actually [[VillainHasAPoint brings up some legitimate points]] that Kate and John are unhappily married, ineffectual parents who spoil Daniel and make incredibly feeble attempts to curb his behaviour, John cheated on his grieving wife and Kate recklessly endangered her child's life by [[spoiler: getting drunk and crashing her car into the lake, with Max still inside, which rendered Max deaf]]. Not to mention Isabelle Furhman's masterful performance at age ''twelve'', making Esther all the more impressive compared to the relatively bland adult leads.
35	* ''Film/{{Padmaavat}}'': Many viewers find the evil but awesome Alauddin to be more interesting and better-characterised than the film's heroes. The fact that VillainsActHeroesReact is in full force in this movie certainly helps.
36	* A [[UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire literal]] case: Creator/RolandEmmerich's ''Film/ThePatriot2000'' went out of its way to make the British [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade look like smug, elitist]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName borderline Nazis]], but eventually [[CrossesTheLineTwice crossed a point]] where one couldn't take their evil deeds seriously anymore, and all that was left was a [[BadassArmy fairly competent army]] with [[IAmVeryBritish posh accents]], English elegance and [[SharpDressedMan smart red uniforms]], led by [[DracoInLeatherPants Lucius Malfoy In Riding Pants]], duking it out with a [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits Ragtag Bunch Of]] [[BrokenAesop ideologically confused]] guerillas led by Creator/MelGibson. The scenes of the British marching onto the battlefield under the tune of ''[[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic The British Grenadiers]]'' has been the subject of dozens of Website/YouTube tribute videos. This is at least partially intentional; main villain Tavington is explicitly considered a brutal lunatic by his superiors and followers alike, and the militia unit we follow gleefully ignore UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar.
37	* ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'':
38	** There are quite a few people who sympathize with The East India Trading Company. Many of their fans forget that Beckett fighting against pirates wasn't OrderVersusChaos, it was removing the competition, as he did a lot of piracy and murder himself.
39	** The film's writers mention they intentionally wrote Captain Barbossa as an AntiHero throughout the [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanTheCurseOfTheBlackPearl first movie]], given his singular goal is to end the ten-year-long curse that has plagued him and his crew. Throughout the film they wanted to give the audience the impression that despite being the antagonist, he might not actually be a bad guy. This is why Barbossa's scene where he explains the torment of the curse to Elizabeth was constantly being rewritten and added to by both the writers and Creator/GeoffreyRush to get it perfect. It definitely shows. When he shouts to his crew in a later scene that their punishment has been "{{disproportionate\|Retribution}} to [their] crime," it's hard to disagree.
40	*** Unless you remember how they ransacked a town of innocent civilians and children, and the crew hinted multiple times about wanting to rape Elizabeth. Yeah, Barbossa and his crew may have been sympathetic villains, but while Barbossa might have had certain gentlemanly standards in Elizabeth's treatment (or not - Pintel and Ragetti told her that Barbossa had said that if she didn't dine with him in the admittedly elegant dress he picked out, she'd be dining with the crew, naked), most of them were straight forward "we rape, we pillage" pirates and the explicit reason they revolted against Jack was because they didn't appreciate his preference to avoid harming people wherever possible. It was only in the sequels that Barbossa and the members of his crew popular with the fans became LighterAndSofter antiheroes - and it is noted that the only survivors of the original crew (Barbossa himself, and Pintel and Ragetti) are the ones who were relatively lighter to begin with.
41	* ''Film/PlanetOfTheApes2001'': Sure, General Thade is a right bastard who tries to wipe out humanity, but it's easy to admire him for his martial prowess and RankScalesWithAsskicking status, devotion to his father's legacy, and ability to actually get shit done compared to the sleazy ape politicians. Plus, unlike the [[DullSurprise dull-eyed hero Leo]] he's at least displaying [[HamAndCheese some enjoyable pathos]].
42	* The implied morality of ''Film/{{Pleasantville}}'' made a ''lot'' of people angry, and not just because the film turned [[TheFifties the 1950s]] - a time period beloved by many - into a [[TheWarOnStraw Straw Decade]]. It's bad enough that the townspeople are made to look ridiculous during the first half of the movie; in the second half, they're suddenly portrayed as villains for their cultural intolerance and their bullying of characters who turn from black-and-white to color, even though from their perspective they're just threatened citizens defending their town against subversive foreign infiltrators who by all logic shouldn't be there in the first place - and, for that matter, are apparently infecting people with a mysterious sexually-transmitted disease that is permanently disfiguring its victims. And it's forgivable to feel the overwhelming urge to punch out Jennifer (Creator/ReeseWitherspoon): in addition to being ''really'' smug and obnoxious, she is a hypocrite, waxing self-righteous when the townspeople riot when ''she is almost totally responsible for everything that's happening''. For not only did she corrupt the sexual mores of the citizens who turn to color, but she literally [[TeachHimAnger Taught Anger]] to the black-and-white townspeople: they didn't even have the capacity for hatred before she came along, and she infected them with her own bigotry (calling them "nerds", for example, even if it was behind their backs). [[GreyAndGrayMorality Eventually the residents of Pleasantville calm down and become more accepting, and Jennifer realizes she has her own flaws she needs to correct]], but the cost of the town having to give up its original culture (regardless of how boring and backward that culture may appear to us) seems pretty harsh, making Jennifer appear to be an arrogant imperialist.
43	* ''Film/{{Psycho}}''--Picture the scene and pretend you don't know the big twist ending. Norman Bates has come across his new tenant, dead in the shower. He realizes his crazy mother has gone over the edge and killed someone. So, poor, devoted Norman gathers up the body, places it in the trunk of the woman's car, and tries to sink the vehicle into the swamp beside his run down motel. The audience collectively cringes every time a car drives by as Norman sneaks around,-and gasps in horror with Norman as the car seems to get stuck half-way in the bog...but no, it slowly sinks completely into the mud. Norman has gotten away with it! And a second later, the audience remembers what Norman has gotten away with: hiding a murder victim to protect his deranged mother's murder. Creator/AlfredHitchcock was truly a master of this- he could easily manipulate his audience into Rooting for the Empire, hoping the villain doesn't get caught … and turn around and slap them back to their senses. The sequel takes this trope and runs with it, portraying Bates as a man struggling with severe mental illness and genuinely trying to become a better human being.
44	* For people who watch ''Film/RedDawn1984'' for comedic (or drunk party) purposes, rooting for the reds naturally follows. John Milius (significantly, no Commie-lover) did go to some lengths to humanize many of the villains we see, showing a group of young Russian soldiers goofing off and taking pictures together before the Wolverines ambush them and making the Cuban officers outright sympathetic. Meanwhile, the Wolverines find themselves resorting to increasingly cold-blooded measures as the struggle wears them down. When people complain about the strict "good vs. evil" dichotomy of the movie, it usually means they didn't actually watch it.
45	* Despite not being the main villain of the story, Hannibal Lecter is still a sadistic psychopath throughout much of ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs''. However, due to his legendary portrayal by Creator/AnthonyHopkins, he comes across as so cool and suave that many fans ''did'' want to see him escape (possibly without quite as much bloodshed, but escape nontheless.)
46	* Enforced via marketing with ''Film/SmallSoldiers'', a film about a robotic squad of toy soldiers (the Commando Elite) gaining sentience and trying to kill a group of equally sentient robotic toy aliens (the Gorgonites)...along with the human family that's protecting them. Unfortunately for the Gorgonites, the film's marketing focused almost entirely on the Commando Elite and how awesome they are even though they're supposed to be the villains. The real life toy line put more of a focus on the Commando Elite as well. In the movie, the Commando Elite were created to be the good guys and the Gorgonites were an existing concept repurposed to be the villains, before they switched roles early on. Thanks to an in-universe case of being ChristmasRushed and a WriterRevolt by the original creator of the Gorgonites their original sympathetic backstory was kept while the Commandos were a DesignatedHero faction given no motivation beyond destroying them.
47	* Many fans who watched ''Film/StargateContinuum'' seem to ''love'' the idea of Ba'al ruling Earth and secretly wished he'd won, probably because he promised a benevolent governance. It's open for debate how sincere he was. While he certainly didn't want to ''destroy'' Earth like all the other Goa'uld, there's a very real possibility he just wanted to covertly take over Earth without having to fight humanity forever, and he'd make them all slaves in the long run anyway. He does promise the rest of the System Lords new slaves and host bodies from Earth's population; apparently he wanted to arrange for some sort of tributary system.
48	* ''Film/StarshipTroopers''. A ''lot'' of people were rooting for the Bugs. In the first movie, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters this might have been the filmmakers' intention]], but in the sequels the Federation were supposed to be the good guys ([[EvilVersusEvil or at least the lesser evil]]) and audiences ''still'' found a bunch of giant cockroaches to be more sympathetic. If you're reading the subtext that the Federation are {{Villain Protagonist}}s, it becomes Rooting For The Empire regardless of which side you're rooting for.
49	* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
50	** ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'': The Federation are considered by many (including some members of ''the cast'') to have had very good reasons for trying to force the Bak'u off the planet to study the anomaly, and they were consistently willing to use non-lethal methods to do so. Plus, [[ScrewYouElves the Bak'u]] are just so damn smug and insufferable.
51	** ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'':
52	*** Despite its writers' {{Anvilicious}} attempts to decry militarization and aggression, quite a few people ended up rooting for [[spoiler:[[WellIntentionedExtremist Alexander Marcus]]]] and his goal in militarizing Starfleet for a war against the Klingon Empire. Seemingly, [[spoiler:Marcus']] only detraction is that he went about it in the manner of a standard GeneralRipper, to the point that he brought [[spoiler:[[BigBad Khan]], an infamous genetically engineered warlord that nearly took over the Earth long ago, out of [[HumanPopsicle cold storage]] to utilize as a slave ([[TooDumbToLive thinking he could actually control Khan]])]], as well as attempted to purposely start said war with the Klingons (using the oblivious crew of the ''Enterprise'' to do so no less, and planning to kill them) as opposed to letting it happen naturally. Even [[spoiler:Marcus' actor Creator/PeterWeller]] [[WordOfGod roots for his character, saying he disliked how the public viewed him as a villain and has this to say about him]]:
53	--->"Everything he says is true: The Klingons are coming, they do need Khan, and that's that. It's just that he’s going to sacrifice the entire Enterprise to get the job done, because the Enterprise started to believe Khan. But if the Enterprise had not believed Khan and had done what [[spoiler:Marcus]] said, then there'd be no movie, and everything would be cool. But the great writing in this is that the Enterprise wakes the dude up and listens to his game, and then everything goes to crap. But that's the Enterprise's hubris. That's them. They screwed up, not [[spoiler:Marcus]]. Anyway, sorry to go off there. I just hate that."
54	*** On the flipside, John Harrison/[[spoiler:Khan]] gets a lot of this due to his sympathetic motivations to save his crew [[spoiler:from Marcus]]. Throw in Creator/BenedictCumberbatch's charismatic performance, [[EvilIsCool stylish]] [[BadassLongcoat threads]], booming voice and we've got a full blown example here. Of course, one has to remember that - as Spock points out - once he gets his crew back, he'll wake them all up and continue their SuperSupremacist campaign that led to the Eugenics Wars.
55	* ''Franchise/StarWars'' is the {{Trope Namer\|s}}:
56	** A poll on fansite [=StarDestroyer.net=] shows that 70 percent of the participants on that forum think that the Galactic Empire wasn't that bad a place to live (if you were human). This trope was the reason the celebration clips were added to the end of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' in the [[UpdatedRerelease Special Edition]], to show the rest of the galaxy was [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating actually happy that Palpatine fell]]. See [[https://web.archive.org/web/20020602111322/http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/248ipzbt.asp ''The Case for the Empire'']] by Jonathan Last.
57	** With ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', Lucas had this happen ''intentionally'': the movie introduces the sympathetic Clone Troopers, who save the Jedi and rout the movie's villains. Then comes the finale, and the movie reminds that the watchers had been rooting for what will become The Empire by giving them the Imperial March as score.
58	** In the prequels, many fans and writers agree with the Separatists and side with them over the Republic. What we see of the Republic is blindingly ineffectual and horrifically corrupt ({{Mega Corp}}s have Senators), the Jedi Council are portrayed as a bunch of tradition-obsessed unelected religious zealots, and both are apparently not above using {{Tyke Bomb}}s and ChildSoldiers (14-year old Jedi Padawans leading battalions of 10 year old[[note]] growth accelerated [[/note]] clone troopers), leading to BlackAndGrayMorality at best. The OpeningNarration for ''Revenge of the Sith'' outright states that "there are heroes on both sides."
59	*** The Separatists, meanwhile, are led by Creator/ChristopherLee in a BadassLongRobe, while ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' adds in a whole host of {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s on the villain side, most (if not all) of whom tick the box for EvilIsCool as well.
60	*** For those that think the “heroes on both sides” line was just an InformedAttribute in the movies, ''The Clone Wars'' makes it abundantly clear there’s not much between these two factions. The Separatists have their own Senate which Count Dooku is willing to bow his head to and have genuine supporters who weren’t beaten into submission and/or super rich. On the other hand, the Republic Senate is presented as a group of corrupt warmongers (bar a few, like Padmé, Bail Organa, and Mon Mothma) who are constantly backstabbing each other and have an episode every season devoted to them stepping up war measures until the Separatists are defeated and peace has been restored. There’s a reason planets like Mandalore stayed neutral. Though, ''The Clone Wars'' also compensates for the trilogy's use of OffscreenVillainy by having Separatist commanders KickTheDog at every opportunity by butchering civilian populations. Especially [[CardCarryingVillain General Grievous]].
61	*** Thanks to expanded material Jango Fett has gone from a brutal bounty hunter who will happily kill his allies and allowed his DNA to be used to create a slave race to a heroic figure trying to make right the sins done to his people by a corrupt Republic and blind Jedi Order
62	** And now with the premiere of ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', we have the First Order to add to the list. Essentially a Galactic Empire wannabe organization (complete with unsubtle stand-ins for Palpatine and Darth Vader - though in the latter case, this was consciously invoked InUniverse, with Kylo Ren trying very hard to live up to his grandfather's legacy... as a Sith Lord), the First Order nonetheless has its fans for much the same reasons the Empire before it, up to and including having [[PuttingOnTheReich better uniforms, equipment and organizational structure]] than the good guys (indeed, most of the film's [[AllThereInTheManual side material]] is focused on the First Order's gear and composition, with Leia's [[LaResistance Resistance]] being treated as little more than an afterthought). Helps even less that, according to said side material, the New Republic is even more inept than its ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'' incarnation ever was, having [[spoiler:gutted its own military in the aftermath of the original war because [[TooDumbToLive it thought the Empire was gone for good]] as well as providing said Resistance, which is fighting on ''its behalf'' against an [[TheRemnant Imperial remnant]] that the Republic ''failed'' to bring down (and doesn't even perceive as a threat), with only a token level of support.]] Part of the military gutting was accidental, as the lore flat out states that the New Republic is so corrupt that the sheer amount of funds the politicians took for themselves (implied to be illegally, too) caused the cessation of production of the current iteration of the X-Wing; forcing the Republic and Resistance alike to use older models.
63	*** It helps that ''absolutely none of this'' was [[AllThereInTheManual explained in the movies]]. Going from the movies it's one group of violent fanatics with no apparent ideology and a snappy Fascist aesthetic versus another group of violent fanatics with no apparent ideology and a grungy militia aesthetic.
64	*** In ''Film/TheLastJedi'', several fans, most notably the folks at Website/{{Wisecrack}}, actually side with Kylo Ren in his goal to rule the galaxy. While he is a PsychopathicManchild who [[spoiler:killed his father Han Solo]], Kylo correctly points out that the institutions upholding the BlackAndWhiteMorality (i.e. the Sith and the Jedi) have only lead to binary moral judgementalism and cyclical violence. If anything, he actually wants to fix the morality and power structure that promotes LawfulStupid and StupidEvil beliefs and actions.
65	*** The concept of Dark Rey, who surrenders to the Darkside of the Force, accepts her grandfather Palpatine as her master and her role as his apprentice/Sith Empress is staggeringly popular in fanfic, fanart and cosplay. So much so that there are commercially produced Dark Rey action figures, toys and Halloween costumes, even though she features for less than 8 seconds of screentime in a dream sequence. Perhaps an example of evil being attractive, or just the appeal of giving a fairly one-note character more depth and layers.
66	** [[Website/{{Reddit}} Sympathisers for the Empire]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/EmpireDidNothingWrong now have their own subreddit]].
67	** The attempts to depict the Empire as the cruel uncaring regime that views its subjects as disposable as seen with Operation Cinder in ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017'' and how even hardline followers of the empire like Inferno Squad would defect.
68	*** Which falls on its face as soon as you ask yourself "if the Empire was that bad that its own soldiers would defect, how did they have an army?" Because the answer is "that was the actions of a handful of extreme loyalists to Palpatine and the other Imperials were horrified by it and didn't know what was going to happen." Even in the game, the stormtroopers didn't know about Operation Cinder. They just kept people from leaving because they were told to and even they questioned why they were doing it.
69	* ''Film/StrangersOnATrain'': Even though murderer Bruno is planning to frame Guy by planting Guy’s lighter at the scene of the crime, try not to feel a rush of panic when Bruno accidentally drops the lighter through a sewer grate. Then breathe a sigh of relief when he finally retrieves it.
70	* ''Film/StreetFighter'' cast Creator/JeanClaudeVanDamme as Guile and Creator/RaulJulia as M. Bison. The first turns in a bland, carbon-cut performance of the typical action film star. Julia, meanwhile, is a [[HamAndCheese wonderfully hammy]] and entertaining supervillain who's often credited as what makes the film watchable, who also dies shortly after the film was completed. By the end of the film, you ''want'' to see him TakeOverTheWorld.
71	* ''Film/TuckerAndDaleVsEvil'': This is the base premise through a [[InvertedTrope trope inversion]] of HillbillyHorrors. The two rednecks who live in the woods ''are the nice guys'' and the TooDumbToLive teenagers who [[WrongGenreSavvy automatically assume them to be slasher villains]] ''are the villains themselves.''
72	* Supposedly a number of UsefulNotes/LosAngeles residents who watched ''Film/{{Volcano}}'' rooted for the lava that was, you know, threatening to destroy their own hometown.
73	* ''Film/TheWizard'':
74	** Lucas Barton can actually pull this off by using the Power Glove. His picture used to be the image on the film's page here, and [[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Spoony]] believes he was cheated out of his victory at the end.
75	** The "villain" is a guy who finds lost and runaway kids and returns them to their parents. [[DesignatedVillain That monster]]! Okay, so he ''is'' portrayed as rather a {{Jerkass}} (who doesn't want the boy's father to find him first so he can get paid). But one of the "heroic" characters (a very underaged girl) [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality causes a distraction at one point by accusing him of molesting her in a crowded room]], [[MistakenForPedophile potentially getting him arrested and branded a sex offender]], all so that she and her friends can escape being taken home. And the boy's father goes out of his way to stop the guy, even trashing his truck at one point. It all seems like DisproportionateRetribution.
76	* ''Film/TheDayOfTheJackal'' has viewers rooting for the titular assassin, because of how smart and clever he's shown to be throughout the film. The spiritual remake ''Film/TheJackal'' seems to follow the same path, but is averted [[spoiler: after the Jackal kills the female lead, just to taunt the male protagonist.]]
77	* Movies about neo-Nazis/skinheads - especially those with [[VillainProtagonist the skinheads as the protagonists]] - often drift toward (at least as much as is safe) or [[SubvertedTrope away]] from invoking the trope; needless to say, it's a precarious tightrope to walk.
78	** ''Film/AmericanHistoryX'', for example, goes to lengths to make at least some of the skinheads three-dimensional: they have often been victims of injustice themselves, and many of them genuinely do think that those who are not like them as either evil or hopelessly unable to reform and better off dead. At the same time, the film also shows that they're ignorant fools (or at best [[KnowNothingKnowItAll Know-Nothing Know-It-Alls]] being manipulated by a [[RacistGrandma Racist Grandpa]] who doesn't give a damn when they get arrested for the atrocities he urges them to commit. And their drunkenness, wild rock music, and overall hooliganism show that [[{{Hypocrite}} they are as responsible for the decay of the Western civilization they claim to be defending as anyone else]].
79	** ''Film/HigherLearning'', while less sympathetic, does take a different tack by ''not'' making any skinhead character the protagonist, or at least not the ''main'' protagonist. This has the effect of making the skinheads seem to be even more marginalized and isolated than any supposedly disadvantaged racial minority; indeed, they are treated with contempt even by the "good" characters, who are often white themselves. And while the neo-Nazis are hateful and bloodthirsty, they at least seem to be able to think for themselves (unlike in ''American History X'', there's no Cameron figure) in stark contrast to all of the other students, who endlessly parrot [[PoliticalOvercorrectness PC platitudes]] and hypocritically enforce their own brand of segregation. On the other hand, they're also cowards, [[SmallNameBigEgo not as tough as they think they are]], and ultimately self-destructive and so stupid that they're willing to accept the deaths of their own as long as it will prove a point in their favor - [[WindmillCrusader even if that point is in their own imaginations]].
80	* ''Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark'' introduces NobleDemon Roland Tembo, who many consider to be the best character in the series. While he is supposed to be the villain (as he came to capture the dinosaurs and wants to kill a male T-Rex for sport) Roland is the only one of the island who seems to have his priorities straight. Many fans feel that the "heroes" constantly create problems for themselves and make things worse for everyone while Roland keeps in mind the situation at hand while also showing more depth than any other character in the film.
81	* ''Film/TheyThem2022'': Considering that the killer is [[spoiler:only killing those who abused the campers and never once targets the campers themselves, it's very hard to not root for Molly.]]
82	* The Persians get this treatment in both ''Film/ThreeHundred'' and [[Film/ThreeHundredRiseOfAnEmpire its sequel]]. Some people disliked how [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade the ancient Spartans are depicted as heroic freedom fighters]], which runs contrary to real life evidence that Sparta practiced eugenics and slavery. The demonization of Persians particularly irritated some Jewish and Israeli viewers given how historically it was the Persians who ended the enslavement of ancient Hebrews residing in Babylon - indeed, the ruler who freed them, Emperor Cyrus, released what is sometimes considered to be the first text of Human Rights. Further muddying the morality is that some critics saw Persia as a massive, wealthy and culturally diverse empire bent on expanding its influence throughout the world, while the Spartans are zealous fighters who are willing to break the rules of war and martyr themselves to resist the invaders, which makes Persia represent the United States and Spartans represent the Middle Easterners. Then again the whole movie and comic that inspired said movie is being told from the POV of one of the Spartan soldiers so there’s clearly a national bias at play in story
83	* [[spoiler: The Tethered beings]] from ''Film/{{Us}}''. [[spoiler: They were created by the government as an experiment that went wrong then quickly abandoned and forgotten in an underground bunker with no sunshine or fresh air, no sense of any of the love, pleasure or even every day banalities (such as working or driving) that the surface world experiences and having nothing but raw rabbits, which are usually reserved as pets, to eat. They view their Earthly counterparts as selfish and ungrateful and wish to take over their lives [[IJustWantToBeFree (or at the very least, gain freedom)]] by any means necessary.]] Many view them and their motives as {{Tragic Monster}}s or even [[UnintentionallySympathetic something better.]]
84	* In ''Film/WarOfTheWorlds2005'', the alien invaders have a lot of cool technology and are pretty scary, while the humans are all panicky, shrill, stupid and/or insane. After spending an hour watching the protagonist's two children, some viewers wished the aliens would clean house a little faster.
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86	!! InUniverse Examples:
87	* In ''Film/TheAddamsFamily'', we see Morticia reading to a group of preschoolers the story of Literature/HanselAndGretel from the witch's perspective and describing her as innocent despite still ''only'' wanting to eat them and then depicting the main characters as beastly children for shoving her into the oven at the end of the story. The kids she was reading to don't take the story well. Of course she and her family are {{Card Carrying Villain}}s of the highest degree so it makes perfect sense.
88	* Invoked in ''Film/Hero2002''. This Chinese martial arts film is about a group of murderers plotting to assassinate the ruthless King of Qin who is set to conquer all of of the neighboring kingdoms. [[spoiler:Ultimately, it is revealed one of the murderers did not want to go through with the plan, as he realized the King of Qin has highest potential of unifying the kingdoms into one empire and thus stop the constant wars and bloodshed among the smaller kingdoms.]] So in this case, the Empire kind of won, but actually to the benefit of the people.

Context RootingForTheEmpire / LiveActionFilms