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The Daemonculaba isn't even that weird compared to what Chaos can do (and to what you can find in most horror stuff)


** Everything about [[BabyFactory Daemonculaba]], which was so deeply unpopular with the fanbase that it was officially written out of existence. Every single aspect of it reads like the product of a teenage edgelord who just discovered [=40k=] and thought Chaos was the coolest faction, and tried to come up with the most excessively grimdark lore entry they could muster.
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*** In countries with a small population like Australia and New Zealand and those with no culture of miniature gaming, 40k is almost inevitably the game with the largest player base.

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*** In countries with a small population like Australia and New Zealand and those with no a smaller culture of miniature gaming, 40k is almost inevitably the game with the largest player base.



* TheInverseLawOfFandomLevity: ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' is an unflinchingly bleak, horrible setting where the Imperium of Man is besieged on all sides by aliens, demons, and other monstrous entities that seek its destruction. There are countless examples of people dying by the ''trillions'', horrible gore and bloodshed, and the setting is inherently a {{Hopeless|War}} ForeverWar where there is no end to the suffering. Hell, the game even coined the term "grimdark" to describe unendingly nightmarish works with seemingly no hope in sight. Now, look at the fandom, and you'll find a bunch of good-natured hooligans that have fun amassing armies of models, paint, and engaging in pretend wars with their friends. Many memes are made about both the sheer darkness of the setting, the various factions going at each other's throats (especially the Orks, being ALighterShadeOfBlack as they're basically a massive football riot of a race), and all the instances of the Imperium's incessant need to stamp out "heresy", even if that means clenching the IdiotBall tightly.

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* TheInverseLawOfFandomLevity: ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' is an unflinchingly bleak, horrible setting where the Imperium of Man is besieged on all sides by aliens, demons, and other monstrous entities that seek its destruction. There are countless examples of people dying by the ''trillions'', horrible gore and bloodshed, and the setting is inherently a {{Hopeless|War}} ForeverWar where there is no end to the suffering. Hell, the game even coined the term "grimdark" to describe unendingly nightmarish works with seemingly no hope in sight. Now, look at the fandom, and you'll find a bunch of good-natured hooligans that have fun amassing armies of models, paint, and engaging in pretend wars with their friends.friends (look no further than one of the most famous of them, Creator/HenryCavill). Many memes are made about both the sheer darkness of the setting, the various factions going at each other's throats (especially the Orks, being ALighterShadeOfBlack as they're basically a massive football riot of a race), and all the instances of the Imperium's incessant need to stamp out "heresy", even if that means clenching the IdiotBall tightly.
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** Everything about [[BabyFactory Daemonculaba]], which was so deeply unpopular with the fanbase that it was officially written out of existence. Every single aspect of it reads like the product of a teenage edgelord who just discovered [=40k=] and thought Chaos was the coolest faction, and tried to come up with the most excessively grimdark lore entry they could muster.
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** Some may find the setting in general does this, due the over-the-top Darkness, {{Impossibly Cool Weapon}}s and [[ForeverWar war]].

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** Some may find the setting in general does this, due the over-the-top Darkness, {{Impossibly Cool Weapon}}s and [[ForeverWar war]]. It's complete audacity vearing into ridiculousness is what stops the game from being too depressing for several fans.
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** The "[[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Fish_of_Fury Fish of Fury]]" exploit (which even Tau players didn't like), allowed Tau players to move their Devilfish hovertanks as mobile cover by hiding hard-hitting [[LongRangeFighter Fire Warriors]] behind the surprisingly hard-to-kill Devilfish to protect them from melee attacks.

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** The "[[https://1d4chan."[[https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Fish_of_Fury Fish of Fury]]" exploit (which even Tau players didn't like), allowed Tau players to move their Devilfish hovertanks as mobile cover by hiding hard-hitting [[LongRangeFighter Fire Warriors]] behind the surprisingly hard-to-kill Devilfish to protect them from melee attacks.



** While we're talking about Marine chapters, there's also the Blood Ravens, an entire chapter of KleptomaniacHero strategists who regularly steal sacred relics from ''other chapters'', claiming to have [[BlatantLies "discovered"]] them, and occasionally present them to '''[[RefugeInAudacity those same chapters]]''' as "gifts". [[labelnote:Note]]Although the whole "stealing relics from other chapters" is entirely {{Fanon}}, the idea of the Blood Ravens scavenging and possibly even pillaging any equipment they can find from other Chapters makes a surprising amount of sense lore-wise, [[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Blood_Ravens#Bloody_Magpies as explained here]]. Hell, the chapter is even [[AnimalMotifs named after a bird known for its cunning and propensity for taking off with any shiny thing not bolted down]].[[/labelnote]]

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** While we're talking about Marine chapters, there's also the Blood Ravens, an entire chapter of KleptomaniacHero strategists who regularly steal sacred relics from ''other chapters'', claiming to have [[BlatantLies "discovered"]] them, and occasionally present them to '''[[RefugeInAudacity those same chapters]]''' as "gifts". [[labelnote:Note]]Although the whole "stealing relics from other chapters" is entirely {{Fanon}}, the idea of the Blood Ravens scavenging and possibly even pillaging any equipment they can find from other Chapters makes a surprising amount of sense lore-wise, [[https://1d4chan.[[https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Blood_Ravens#Bloody_Magpies as explained here]]. Hell, the chapter is even [[AnimalMotifs named after a bird known for its cunning and propensity for taking off with any shiny thing not bolted down]].[[/labelnote]]



** Some fans have [[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Primaris_Chaplain dubbed]] the Primaris Chaplain as [[VideoGame/{{Overwatch}} Reaper]] due to looking a lot like said character (such as wearing a skull helmet with a hood).

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** Some fans have [[https://1d4chan.[[https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Primaris_Chaplain dubbed]] the Primaris Chaplain as [[VideoGame/{{Overwatch}} Reaper]] due to looking a lot like said character (such as wearing a skull helmet with a hood).



** ''Anything'' from CS Goto is ignored by the wider fandom due to Goto's own blatant disregard of both basic fluff and narrative consistency. CS Goto's writings are so bad, that even the most fanatical Ward hater would admit that at least ''Matt Ward's'' fluff is SoBadItsGood, Goto on the other hand? That, that is just ''bad''. He is considered as the ''worst'' writer who ever put their ink on 40k, and that's saying ''something''. [[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/C.S._Goto 1d4Chan describes this in fervant detail.]]

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** ''Anything'' from CS Goto is ignored by the wider fandom due to Goto's own blatant disregard of both basic fluff and narrative consistency. CS Goto's writings are so bad, that even the most fanatical Ward hater would admit that at least ''Matt Ward's'' fluff is SoBadItsGood, Goto on the other hand? That, that is just ''bad''. He is considered as the ''worst'' writer who ever put their ink on 40k, and that's saying ''something''. [[https://1d4chan.[[https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/C.S._Goto 1d4Chan describes this in fervant detail.]]



** In a similar vein to Eldrad above, Asdrubael Vect is one on 1d4chan. Seriously, just read [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Asdrubael_Vect his article]].

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** In a similar vein to Eldrad above, Asdrubael Vect is one on 1d4chan. Seriously, just read [[http://1d4chan.[[http://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Asdrubael_Vect his article]].



** Not very many players are able to take the [[PhysicalGod Avatar of Khaine]] seriously due to [[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Khaine#The_Avatar_of_Khaine all the times]] they've been humiliatingly [[TheWorfEffect Worfed]] over the years.

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** Not very many players are able to take the [[PhysicalGod Avatar of Khaine]] seriously due to [[https://1d4chan.[[https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Khaine#The_Avatar_of_Khaine all the times]] they've been humiliatingly [[TheWorfEffect Worfed]] over the years.



** Eldrad Ulthuan is one of, if not the most, powerful Eldar Farseers in the game. {{Fanon}} has him exploit his ability to flawlessly predict the future to... [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Eldrad play stupid pranks on people]], hence the phrase "What a dick".
** [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Asdrubael_Vect Asdrubael Vect]] and [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Creed Creed]] get similar reputations, and the Chaos god Tzeentch is a god of false hope and betrayal.

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** Eldrad Ulthuan is one of, if not the most, powerful Eldar Farseers in the game. {{Fanon}} has him exploit his ability to flawlessly predict the future to... [[http://1d4chan.[[http://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Eldrad play stupid pranks on people]], hence the phrase "What a dick".
** [[http://1d4chan.[[http://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Asdrubael_Vect Asdrubael Vect]] and [[http://1d4chan.[[http://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Creed Creed]] get similar reputations, and the Chaos god Tzeentch is a god of false hope and betrayal.



** By far the most ambitious attempt is [[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Waffle_Edition_40K Waffle Edition 40K]] which is trying to re-balance the WHOLE GAME after 6th edition produced little of value while screwing up the balance even more. Progress has been slow though and a lot of people have given up on it.

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** By far the most ambitious attempt is [[http://1d4chan.[[http://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Waffle_Edition_40K Waffle Edition 40K]] which is trying to re-balance the WHOLE GAME after 6th edition produced little of value while screwing up the balance even more. Progress has been slow though and a lot of people have given up on it.
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* TheInverseLawOfFandomLevity: ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' is an unflinchingly bleak, horrible setting where the Imperium of Man is besieged on all sides by aliens, demons, and other monstrous entities that seek its destruction. There are countless examples of people dying by the ''trillions'', horrible gore and bloodshed, and the setting is inherently a {{Hopeless|War}} ForeverWar where there is no end to the suffering. Hell, the game even coined the term "grimdark" to describe unendingly nightmarish works with seemingly no hope in sight. Now, look at the fandom, and you'll find a bunch of good-natured hooligans that have fun amassing armies of models, paint, and engaging in pretend wars with their friends. Many memes are made about both the sheer darkness of the setting, the various factions going at each other's throats (especially the Orks, being ALighterShadeOfBlack as they're basically a massive football riot of a race), and all the instances of the Imperium's incessant need to stamp out "heresy", even if that means clenching the IdiotBall tightly.
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MEH must be stand out by the standard of the setting. Not the cause if done by everyone, especially if many did to protect from worse evils.


* MoralEventHorizon: Technically everyone's crossed it in some shape or form, given the incredibly crapsack nature of the world, but a few stand out.

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*** There's also a large overlap with fans of regular ''Franchise/{{Lego}}'', if for no other reasons than the fact that both hobbies are infamous for being "[[CrackIsCheaper plastic crack]]".
** Many ''Warhammer 40.000'' fans are also fans of ''Manga/{{Berserk}}''. Not only are both series considered to be cornerstones of "grimdark" in their respective regions, but the world of ''Berserk'' is very similar to how worlds corrupted by Chaos are described. And Guts' Dragonslayer sword would be right at home in the hands of a Space Marine.
*** It also helps that Fulgrim and Griffith have JustForFun/SurprisinglySimilarStories: brilliant, beloved and beautiful white haired swordsmen who struck up an unlikely friendship with a brooding, dark warrior, only to then betray them, sacrifice their allies, and ascend into godlike demonic forms.
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** With fans of ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'', since the War Boys are basically human Orks, right down to the ramshackle vehicles and suicidal aggression. There's even a unit of Orks (Goff Rockas) that have flamethrower guitars, like the Doof Warrior.

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** With fans of ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'', since the War Boys are basically human Orks, Orks (and one ''{{TabletopGame/Gorkamorka}}'' expansion featured Digganobz, pale-skinned humans who want to be orks so badly they act just like them), right down to the ramshackle vehicles and suicidal aggression. There's even a unit of Orks (Goff Rockas) that have flamethrower guitars, like the Doof Warrior.
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* MoralEventHorizon:

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* MoralEventHorizon:MoralEventHorizon: Technically everyone's crossed it in some shape or form, given the incredibly crapsack nature of the world, but a few stand out.
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** The fan-made web series, WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice, has popularized the idea of Rogal Dorn having a mustache/muttonchops, despite him being clean-shaven in every official depiction to date. This quirk appeared in fan art beforehand, probably misremembering his strange gorget in [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/47/Primarch_Rogal_Dorn.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150210025713 this image]].

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** The fan-made web series, WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice, has popularized the idea of Rogal Dorn having a mustache/muttonchops, despite him being clean-shaven in every official depiction to date. This quirk appeared in fan art beforehand, probably misremembering his strange gorget in [[https://static.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20230526232635/https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/47/Primarch_Rogal_Dorn.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150210025713 this image]].
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** Malal is surprisingly popular despite apparently not existing in the current setting[[note]]And technically never existing in the setting since all the material featuring him was produced for the ''[[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Warhammer Fantasy]]''[[/note]] due to [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Games Workshop losing the rights to him]].

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** Malal is surprisingly popular despite apparently not existing in the current setting[[note]]And technically never existing in the setting since all the material featuring him was produced for the ''[[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Warhammer Fantasy]]''[[/note]] due to [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Games Workshop losing the rights to him]].
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** Malal is surprisingly popular despite apparently not existing in the current setting[[note]]And technically never existing in the setting since all the material featuring him was produced for the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} fantasy setting]][[/note]] due to [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Games Workshop losing the rights to him]].

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** Malal is surprisingly popular despite apparently not existing in the current setting[[note]]And technically never existing in the setting since all the material featuring him was produced for the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} fantasy setting]][[/note]] ''[[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Warhammer Fantasy]]''[[/note]] due to [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Games Workshop losing the rights to him]].
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: A huge contributor to the Imperium of Man’s popularity. Despite being a horrific dystopia, being the central focus means [[SympatheticPOV writing keeps putting its characters in a sympathetic light]]. Not to mention that the enemies of the Imperium are, by and large, just as evil as imperial propaganda makes them out to be, especially [[CardCarryingVillain Chaos and the Drukhari]]. As a result, it becomes easy to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for the Imperium]] when it is faced by [[OmnicidalManiac enemies seeking humanity’s annihilation]], or at the very least, see the Imperium less as a cautionary tale on fascism and more as a [[TragicVillain victim who became a bully]]. Not helped by the Imperium being [[MostWritersAreHumans human]] and as such getting more leeway from fans and writers alike, as well as getting roughly 90% of the entire lore focused on them over potentially more sympathetic races like the T'au or the Craftworlders Aeldari.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: A huge contributor to the Imperium of Man’s popularity. Despite being a horrific dystopia, being the central focus means [[SympatheticPOV writing keeps putting its characters in a sympathetic light]]. Not to mention that the enemies of the Imperium are, by and large, just as evil as imperial propaganda makes them out to be, especially [[CardCarryingVillain Chaos and the Drukhari]]. As a result, it becomes easy to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for the Imperium]] when it is faced by [[OmnicidalManiac enemies seeking humanity’s annihilation]], or at the very least, see the Imperium less as a cautionary tale on fascism and more as a [[TragicVillain victim who became a bully]]. Not helped by the Imperium being [[MostWritersAreHumans [[MostWritersAreHuman human]] and as such getting more leeway from fans and writers alike, as well as getting roughly 90% of the entire lore focused on them over potentially more sympathetic races like the T'au or the Craftworlders Aeldari.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: A huge contributor to the Imperium of Man’s popularity. Despite being a horrific dystopia, being the central focus means [[SympatheticPOV writing keeps putting its characters in a sympathetic light]]. Not to mention that the enemies of the Imperium are, by and large, just as evil as imperial propaganda makes them out to be, especially [[CardCarryingVillain Chaos]]. As a result, it becomes easy to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for the Imperium]] when it is faced by [[OmnicidalManiac enemies seeking humanity’s annihilation]], or at the very least, see the Imperium less as a cautionary tale on fascism and more as a [[TragicVillain victim who became a bully]].

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: A huge contributor to the Imperium of Man’s popularity. Despite being a horrific dystopia, being the central focus means [[SympatheticPOV writing keeps putting its characters in a sympathetic light]]. Not to mention that the enemies of the Imperium are, by and large, just as evil as imperial propaganda makes them out to be, especially [[CardCarryingVillain Chaos]].Chaos and the Drukhari]]. As a result, it becomes easy to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for the Imperium]] when it is faced by [[OmnicidalManiac enemies seeking humanity’s annihilation]], or at the very least, see the Imperium less as a cautionary tale on fascism and more as a [[TragicVillain victim who became a bully]]. Not helped by the Imperium being [[MostWritersAreHumans human]] and as such getting more leeway from fans and writers alike, as well as getting roughly 90% of the entire lore focused on them over potentially more sympathetic races like the T'au or the Craftworlders Aeldari.
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* IKnewIt: A great many fans were certain some of the loyal Primarchs were still out there due to the highly ambiguous natures of their disappearances. Corvus Corax revealed to be alive prompted many cries of this within the fandom.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: A huge contributor to the Imperium of Man’s popularity. Despite being a horrific dystopia, being the central focus means [[SympatheticPOV writing keeps putting its characters in a sympathetic light]]. Not to mention that the enemies of the Imperium are, by and large, just as evil as imperial propaganda makes them out to be, especially [[CardCarryingVillain Chaos]]. As a result, it becomes easy to [[RootingForTheEmpire root for the Imperium]] when it is faced by [[OmnicidalManiac enemies seeking humanity’s annihilation]], or at the very least, see the Imperium less as a cautionary tale on fascism and more as a [[TragicVillain victim who became a bully]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Perturabo has had [[DependingOnTheWriter attempts to write him as sympathetic]] by showing how badly the Loyalists and Traitors alike treated him. The problem for his detractors is that all the moments where he was written as [[EvilIsPetty a petty jerk]] who committed horrific atrocities while lacking any sort of FreudianExcuse like the other Traitor Primatchs still exist in the same continuity.

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* EvilIsSexy:
** One word: Slaanesh. Particularly when things aren't veering into {{Squick}} and FanDisservice.
** Two words: Dark Eldar. Especially [[{{Stripperific}} the Lelith model]] and artwork.



* HarsherInHindsight: In ''Rogue Trader,'' [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-human Genestealer hybrids]] were quite personable. Considering that nowadays, genestealer hybrids want to [[EvilIsSexy seduce members of their host species in order to churn out hordes of mutant babies,]] this behaviour has a rather grim light shone on it.

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* HarsherInHindsight: In ''Rogue Trader,'' [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-human Genestealer hybrids]] were quite personable. Considering that nowadays, genestealer hybrids want to [[EvilIsSexy seduce members of their host species in order to churn out hordes of mutant babies,]] babies, this behaviour has a rather grim light shone on it.
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** ''Warhammer 40,000'' and ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' have seen a significant overlap developing between their communities, primarily because of how both communities engage in making their own creations and how deep the lore for both franchises goes. It's not uncommon to see ''Bionicle''-themed minatures or ''Warhammer''-themed [=MOCs=] among the many fan creations both communities put out.

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* CommonKnowledge: That the Lost Primarchs were created to give players a way to invent their own Legions. Rick Priestly, one who originally came up with the concept of the Lost Primarchs, has clarified that he created them as a way to make the Horus Heresy era more mysterious and full of lost knowledge prior to Games Workshop deciding to use the Heresy as a game setting with detailed novels.

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That the Lost Primarchs were created to give players a way to invent their own Legions. Rick Priestly, one who originally came up with the concept of the Lost Primarchs, has clarified that he created them as a way to make the Horus Heresy era more mysterious and full of lost knowledge prior to Games Workshop deciding to use the Heresy as a game setting with detailed novels.novels.
** That the initial lore painted [[BigBad Abaddon]] as a failure until Games Workshop retconned things to make him seem a more credible bad guy. ''The very first Choas Marines Codex'', all the way back in the 1990's, explicitly stated that the twelve prior Black Crusade had been successes and preparations for the thirteenth.
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** When the Necrons were reworked in their 5th Edition codex, many fans bemoaned how they had been reimagined from a race of soulless RoboticUndead TerminatorImpersonator[=s=] to being essentially Space Egyptians with a wide range of personalities. Some of its most controversial changes included the removal of Pariahs (one of the darkest elements of the old lore), the downplaying of the C'tan into being little more than [[SealedEvilInACan Sealed Evils in Cans]] to be used by their former Necron underlings as Pokemon, and their willingness to ally with the Blood Angels which was viewed by the fandom as sacrilegious and lore-breaking. The fact that it was written by Matt Ward, a PromotedFanboy notorious for his shilling of the Ultramarines and Grey Knights at the expense of every other race as well as writing PurposefullyOverpowered HighTierScrappy codexes that were known for breaking the lore, did not help fan perceptions and helped contribute to the initial animosity. Over time, fans have gradually come to accept that most of the changes to the Necron lore have actually given their faction much more depth and personality as well as made them much more memorable compared to their previous lore which would not have held up as well in the current lore. In particular, Trazyn the Infinite, a character introduced in said codex, has become an EnsembleDarkhorse due to his personality as a {{Troll}} and CollectorOfTheStrange and his fully voiced appearance in ''VideoGame/BattlefleetGothicArmada2'', a sign of how the new lore established in this codex has been accepted by the community. The lore introduced in said codex has also been VindicatedByHistory as one of the better works Matt Ward has put out in spite of his poor track record.
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** Another /tg meme is Johnny, an out of print beakie-styled Space Marine that looks like he's talking to his bolt gun magazine in reference to the character with the same name in ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy''.

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