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** The show does not shy away from deconstructing the AssholeVictim trope. As much as they embody the HateSink trope narratively, both Monty and
Bryce Still had people who cared about and mourned them in universe. Both of them still get the he was still a human being” defense from Winston and Tyler respectively. And the people who celebrate their deaths receive WhatTheHellHero speeches from direct victims of the deceased. Additionally contributors to the deaths don’t get off easy. As much as their fates were deserved, it still dirties the hands that dealt them.

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** The show does not shy away from deconstructing the AssholeVictim trope. As much as they embody the HateSink trope narratively, both Monty and
and Bryce Still still had people who cared about and mourned them in universe. in-universe. Both of them still get the he "he was still a human being” being" defense from Winston and Tyler respectively. And respectively and the people who celebrate their deaths receive WhatTheHellHero speeches from direct victims of the deceased. Additionally Additionally, contributors to the deaths don’t get off easy. As easy; as much as their fates were deserved, it still dirties the hands that dealt them.

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** The show does not shy away from deconstructing the AssholeVictim trope. As much as they embody the HateSink trope narratively, both Monty and
Bryce Still had people who cared about and mourned them in universe. Both of them still get the he was still a human being” defense from Winston and Tyler respectively. And the people who celebrate their deaths receive WhatTheHellHero speeches from direct victims of the deceased. Additionally contributors to the deaths don’t get off easy. As much as their fates were deserved, it still dirties the hands that dealt them.


** The way the show handles the school shooting plot in Season 2 has [[https://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/netflix-13-reasons-why-2-ending-dangerous-1201967065/ attracted]] [[https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/5/23/17380304/13-reasons-why-season-two-controversy some]] [[https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/gyk8wm/the-grim-portrait-of-a-school-shooter-in-13-reasons-why criticism]], especially considering the real-life prevalence of such tragedies in the US. It's considered quite problematic and irresponsible to have the main protagonist Clay confront the would-be shooter outside the school ball and try to talk him down [[spoiler: which is ultimately successful]]. Even Dylan Minnette and the experts the show's writers consulted admitted this was an extremely dangerous thing to do and that the correct response in such a situation would be to warn other people, lock down the building and contact the authorities; approaching a mentally unstable person with a loaded gun and the intention of committing murder is a ''very'' bad idea, even if you are acquainted with the person. It further carries the implication that simply being 'kind' to school shooters can prevent tragedies, which unrealistically glosses over the far more complex reasons people commit such crimes. The plotline was also criticized for presenting [[spoiler: Tyler]] sympathetically, with his motives for trying to murder his teachers and classmates being revenge and trauma over being bullied; the catalyst for the shooting was [[spoiler: Tyler]] being sexually assaulted, carrying the implication that school shooters are just victims pushed too far and that the actual victims of shootings are in some way to blame for the violence. In real life, the idea that most school shooters are bullied outcasts who eventually snap [[https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/10/columbine-parkland-gun-crime-dave-cullen is actually]] [[https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/11/conversation-langman a popular myth]].
** Bryce’s arc in Season 3 and his relationship with Ani [[https://www.bustle.com/p/bryce-anis-relationship-on-13-reasons-why-season-3-was-a-big-mistake-18691086 have]] [[https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/13-reasons-why/bryce-walker-ani-achola-sex-season-3/ been]] [[https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/31/20840722/13-reasons-why-season-3-review criticized]] [[https://meaww.com/13-reasons-why-season-3-spoilers-ani-anchola-narrator-pretty-annoying-hypocritical-fans-believe for]] [[https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a28840592/13-reasons-why-season-3-bryce-redemption-mistake/ this.]] The show attempts to portray Bryce in a [[HiddenDepths grayer light]] than previous seasons; he starts to feel some remorse for his crimes while struggling with having to move to a new school, his parents' divorce and being shunned by most people. He also pursues a more equal and respectful relationship with Ani compared to his previous relationships, with Ani believing that Bryce isn't all bad and could become a better person. However, it has been pointed out that trying to make Bryce more sympathetic potentially undermines the show's message about the seriousness of sexual assault; despite being a SerialRapist and [[BullyBrutality brutal bully]] who traumatized several people and contributed to one of his victims taking her own life, the worst punishment Bryce got was three months probation. He gets a second chance at life while his victim, Hannah, will never have this opportunity. It doesn't help that Bryce's personal struggles are given far more screentime than that of his victims' (Jessica and Chloe really only get one episode each focusing on them, while the other girls Bryce assaulted don't appear). The fact that his attempts to make amends seems to be triggered less by a HeelRealization and more by the fact he hates being ostracized by peers, and that he continues to treat others poorly throughout the season, makes his motives come off as rather [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic to some viewers. Meanwhile, Bryce's relationship with Ani has also attracted criticism for coming off as a classic case of ICanChangeMyBeloved; Ani pursues a relationship with Bryce despite being warned to stay away from him, emotionally supports him, [[spoiler: is physically intimate with him]] and defends him to others even though she knows what he's done because she believes there's good in him no one else can see; on Bryce's side, it can come off as him being rewarded [[spoiler: with sex]] simply for having the common decency to ''not'' rape or abuse Ani like he did with almost every other girl he interacts with. While Ani ''does'' end up distancing herself from Bryce after seeing his more unpleasant side first hand, some have argued that it's never really presented as wrong or misguided of her to have put herself at risk to act as an emotional crutch for a serial rapist, which they argue sends a very unhealthy or downright dangerous message to viewers. Some have also pointed out that Ani's attempts to defend Bryce can come across as downplaying the severity of his actions and even echo the arguments of rape apologists at times, which comes off as particularly tone-deaf in a show like this.
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** The way the show handles the school shooting plot in Season 2 has [[https://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/netflix-13-reasons-why-2-ending-dangerous-1201967065/ attracted]] [[https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/5/23/17380304/13-reasons-why-season-two-controversy some]] [[https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/gyk8wm/the-grim-portrait-of-a-school-shooter-in-13-reasons-why criticism]], especially considering the real-life prevalence of such tragedies in the US. It's considered quite problematic and irresponsible to have the main protagonist Clay confront the would-be shooter outside the school ball and try to talk him down [[spoiler: which is ultimately successful]]. Even Dylan Minnette and the experts the show's writers consulted admitted this was an extremely dangerous thing to do and that the correct response in such a situation would be to warn other people, lock down the building and contact the authorities; approaching a mentally unstable person with a loaded gun and the intention of committing murder is a ''very'' bad idea, even if you are acquainted with the person. It further carries the implication that simply being 'kind' to school shooters can prevent tragedies, which unrealistically glosses over the far more complex reasons people commit such crimes. The plotline was also criticized for presenting [[spoiler: Tyler]] [[spoiler:Tyler]] sympathetically, with his motives for trying to murder his teachers and classmates being revenge and trauma over being bullied; the catalyst for the shooting was [[spoiler: Tyler]] [[spoiler:Tyler]] being sexually assaulted, carrying the implication that school shooters are just victims pushed too far and that the actual victims of shootings are in some way to blame for the violence. In real life, the idea that most school shooters are bullied outcasts who eventually snap [[https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/10/columbine-parkland-gun-crime-dave-cullen is actually]] [[https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/11/conversation-langman a popular myth]].
** Bryce’s arc in Season 3 and his relationship with Ani [[https://www.bustle.com/p/bryce-anis-relationship-on-13-reasons-why-season-3-was-a-big-mistake-18691086 have]] [[https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/13-reasons-why/bryce-walker-ani-achola-sex-season-3/ been]] [[https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/31/20840722/13-reasons-why-season-3-review criticized]] [[https://meaww.com/13-reasons-why-season-3-spoilers-ani-anchola-narrator-pretty-annoying-hypocritical-fans-believe for]] [[https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a28840592/13-reasons-why-season-3-bryce-redemption-mistake/ this.]] The show attempts to portray Bryce in a [[HiddenDepths grayer light]] than previous seasons; he starts to feel some remorse for his crimes while struggling with having to move to a new school, his parents' divorce and being shunned by most people. He also pursues a more equal and respectful relationship with Ani compared to his previous relationships, with Ani believing that Bryce isn't all bad and could become a better person. However, it has been pointed out that trying to make Bryce more sympathetic potentially undermines the show's message about the seriousness of sexual assault; despite being a SerialRapist and [[BullyBrutality brutal bully]] who traumatized several people and contributed to one of his victims taking her own life, the worst punishment Bryce got was three months probation. He gets a second chance at life while his victim, Hannah, will never have this opportunity. It doesn't help that Bryce's personal struggles are given far more screentime than that of his victims' (Jessica and Chloe really only get one episode each focusing on them, while the other girls Bryce assaulted don't appear). The fact that his attempts to make amends seems to be triggered less by a HeelRealization and more by the fact he hates being ostracized by peers, and that he continues to treat others poorly throughout the season, makes his motives come off as rather [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic to some viewers. Meanwhile, Bryce's relationship with Ani has also attracted criticism for coming off as a classic case of ICanChangeMyBeloved; Ani pursues a relationship with Bryce despite being warned to stay away from him, emotionally supports him, [[spoiler: is [[spoiler:is physically intimate with him]] and defends him to others even though she knows what he's done because she believes there's good in him no one else can see; on Bryce's side, it can come off as him being rewarded [[spoiler: with [[spoiler:with sex]] simply for having the common decency to ''not'' rape or abuse Ani like he did with almost every other girl he interacts with. While Ani ''does'' end up distancing herself from Bryce after seeing his more unpleasant side first hand, some have argued that it's never really presented as wrong or misguided of her to have put herself at risk to act as an emotional crutch for a serial rapist, which they argue sends a very unhealthy or downright dangerous message to viewers. Some have also pointed out that Ani's attempts to defend Bryce can come across as downplaying the severity of his actions and even echo the arguments of rape apologists at times, which comes off as particularly tone-deaf in a show like this.
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** This view of Clay ''really'' ramped up in Season 2, practically bordering on hatedom among older viewers and online critics. Many saw Clay's likeability drop significantly in this season, from the very first episode. When he began having visions of Hannah, rather than be even partially honest with Skye, he flat-out lied and told her he "never thought about" Hannah. He spent most of the season badgering Jessica into going forward about her assault, not because it would help her but because it would help ''Hannah's'' case. He didn't even grasp basic Feminism 101 concepts – like the fact that Hannah was allowed to be interested in (and have sex with) guys who weren't him. Much of Clay's torment that season was caused by himself. Even in the very first episode, he becomes upset simply because Tyler told a story about Hannah he refused to believe. As the season goes on, Clay also lashes out at Justin while in recovery (even implies that he hates him right after Justin has saved his life), tries to pressure Sherri into going back to the clubhouse despite being ''clearly'' disturbed by it, and treats his own incredibly supportive parents like dirt (he flat-out ''tells them'' to get him a car). Hell, he's even a jerk to [[spoiler:Hannah's ghost.]]
** Jessica becomes this in Season 3 when she gets back together with Justin instead of Alex purely because of how he understands her body and does sex better than Alex does (even though she now knows that Justin was involved in her being sexually assaulted). She also proves to be a hypocrite by deciding to ban male aggressive sports because she claims it promotes sexism and rape culture, despite the fact that she's with a jock who let her get raped and said nothing about it for months. Many people called her out on his (including Alex and even Justin himself) and even she calls herself out on it but she ultimately does nothing about it. Lastly, she was never called out on keeping the secret that [[spoiler: Alex killed Bryce even though Clay was about to go to jail for that reason]].

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** This view of Clay ''really'' ramped up in Season 2, practically bordering on hatedom among older viewers and online critics. Many saw Clay's likeability drop significantly in this season, from the very first episode. When he began having visions of Hannah, rather than be even partially honest with Skye, he flat-out lied and told her he "never thought about" Hannah. He spent most of the season badgering Jessica into going forward about her assault, not because it would help her but because it would help ''Hannah's'' case. He didn't even grasp basic Feminism 101 concepts – like the fact that Hannah was allowed to be interested in (and have sex with) guys who weren't him. Much of Clay's torment that season was caused by himself. Even in the very first episode, he becomes upset simply because Tyler told a story about Hannah he refused to believe. As the season goes on, Clay also lashes out at Justin while in recovery (even implies that he hates him right after Justin has saved his life), tries to pressure Sherri into going back to the clubhouse despite being ''clearly'' disturbed by it, and treats his own incredibly supportive parents like dirt (he flat-out ''tells them'' to get him a car). Hell, he's even a jerk to [[spoiler:Hannah's ghost.]]
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** Jessica becomes this in Season 3 when she gets back together with Justin instead of Alex purely because of how he understands her body and does sex better than Alex does (even though she now knows that Justin was involved in her being sexually assaulted). She also proves to be a hypocrite by deciding to ban male aggressive sports because she claims it promotes sexism and rape culture, despite the fact that she's with a jock who let her get raped and said nothing about it for months. Many people called her out on his (including Alex and even Justin himself) and even she calls herself out on it but she ultimately does nothing about it. Lastly, she was never called out on keeping the secret that [[spoiler: Alex [[spoiler:Alex killed Bryce even though Clay was about to go to jail for that reason]].



** The show attempts to make the audience sympathize with '''Bryce Walker''' of all people in the third season. While he does seem to feel some remorse and attempts to make amends for his actions, many viewers felt it was far too little, too late. For the first two seasons, Bryce has been portrayed as nothing but a selfish, arrogant and entitled SerialRapist, who left [[spoiler: Jessica]] traumatised and was the catalyst for Hannah killing herself, on top of being a violent bully as well, who never expresses any remorse for the lives he's ruined. He gets off pretty lightly for the rapes and unlike some of the other characters he has no real FreudianExcuse that might make him more sympathetic; he's just so self-absorbed and used to getting his own way he feels he can do whatever he wants. As a result, a lot of viewers had a very hard time sympathizing with him in any way; many people doubted the sincerity of his remorse seeing as he continues to act in scummy ways such as traumatizing a young boy, and breaking Zach's leg out of spite, or felt that he had long since passed the MoralEventHorizon to warrant any pity. Hell, even Justin Prentice himself thought that Bryce was beyond redemption.
** In addition to Bryce, Season 3 tries to make us feel bad for Monty too, who is about on par with Bryce in terms of loathsomeness. He's yet another sadistic JerkJock and bully, who actually witnessed Bryce raping [[spoiler: Hannah]] but did nothing to intervene, later wages a campaign of terror on Bryce's many victims to try and silence them and becomes a rapist himself, [[spoiler: brutally assaulting Tyler...because he ''[[DisproportionateRetribution inadvertantly got the championship season cancelled]]'']] (to the point where even [[EvenEvilHasStandards Bryce himself was disgusted]] when he found out about it and warned him to stay away from Tyler). Season 3 gives him a FreudianExcuse by showing more scenes with his abusive father and revealing that he is [[spoiler: deep in the closet]], but many viewers felt this wasn't enough to make us pity such a vile character, especially considering he still does crappy things throughout the third season such as [[DomesticAbuse beating up a person he slept with]] because he thinks people will [[spoiler: realize he's gay purely from Winston ''talking'' to him]]. Also, while Bryce at least shows remorse for his actions and at least ''tires'' to change and become a better man, Monty only apologizes to Winston for beating him up and doesn't show any remorse for his past actions (one of them being raping Tyler with a mop pole) nor does he make any attempt to change.
** Ani, who was introduced into the show in Season Three. Although she doesn't do anything remotely as horrible as Bryce or Monty, she does take some actions that many viewers found rather morally-questionable. She's not only very sympathetic towards [[SerialRapist Bryce]] [[TheSociopath Walker]], she's even happy to [[spoiler: have sex with him]] despite knowing he's raped multiple girls (among other nasty things) and that one of his victims was [[spoiler: Jessica]], who is supposed to be her best friend. For the same reason, viewers also found her to be a bit of a hypocrite in that she's fine hanging around with Bryce - a violent and repeat sex offender - but says she's afraid to be around Clay, her other supposed best friend, because he's suspected (wrongly) of killing Bryce. Ani is also viewed as unsympathetic for continually defending Bryce, insisting he was trying to become a better person (with ''very'' mixed results) and even suggesting that Clay and the others are wrong for judging Bryce solely for "the worst thing [he] did"; the fact that she's making these arguments to ''Clay and co'' makes her seem particularly insensitive and delusional, seeing as they all knew Bryce much longer than she has and suffered greatly at his hands either directly or indirectly. It's also revealed she's spent the whole season lying to the police to protect [[spoiler: Alex, whom she finds out murdered Bryce and sets up Monty for it]].
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** The show attempts to make the audience sympathize with '''Bryce Walker''' of all people in the third season. While he does seem to feel some remorse and attempts to make amends for his actions, many viewers felt it was far too little, too late. For the first two seasons, Bryce has been portrayed as nothing but a selfish, arrogant and entitled SerialRapist, who left [[spoiler: Jessica]] [[spoiler:Jessica]] traumatised and was the catalyst for Hannah killing herself, on top of being a violent bully as well, who never expresses any remorse for the lives he's ruined. He gets off pretty lightly for the rapes and unlike some of the other characters he has no real FreudianExcuse that might make him more sympathetic; he's just so self-absorbed and used to getting his own way he feels he can do whatever he wants. As a result, a lot of viewers had a very hard time sympathizing with him in any way; many people doubted the sincerity of his remorse seeing as he continues to act in scummy ways such as traumatizing a young boy, and breaking Zach's leg out of spite, or felt that he had long since passed the MoralEventHorizon to warrant any pity. Hell, even Justin Prentice himself thought that Bryce was beyond redemption.
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** In addition to Bryce, Season 3 tries to make us feel bad for Monty Monty, too, who is about on par with Bryce in terms of loathsomeness. He's yet another sadistic JerkJock and bully, who actually witnessed Bryce raping [[spoiler: Hannah]] [[spoiler:Hannah]] but did nothing to intervene, later wages a campaign of terror on Bryce's many victims to try and silence them and becomes a rapist himself, [[spoiler: brutally [[spoiler:brutally assaulting Tyler...Tyler... because he ''[[DisproportionateRetribution inadvertantly got the championship season cancelled]]'']] (to the point where even [[EvenEvilHasStandards Bryce himself was disgusted]] when he found out about it and warned him to stay away from Tyler). Season 3 gives him a FreudianExcuse by showing more scenes with his abusive father and revealing that he is [[spoiler: deep [[spoiler:deep in the closet]], but many viewers felt this wasn't enough to make us pity such a vile character, especially considering he still does crappy things throughout the third season such as [[DomesticAbuse [[spoiler:[[DomesticAbuse beating up a person he slept with]] with]]]] because he thinks people will [[spoiler: realize [[spoiler:realize he's gay purely from Winston ''talking'' to him]]. Also, while Bryce at least shows remorse for his actions and at least ''tires'' ''tries'' to change and become a better man, Monty only apologizes to Winston for beating him up and doesn't show any remorse for his past actions (one of them being raping Tyler with a mop pole) nor does he make any attempt to change.
** Ani, who was introduced into the show in Season Three. Although she doesn't do anything remotely as horrible as Bryce or Monty, she does take some actions that many viewers found rather morally-questionable. morally questionable. She's not only very sympathetic towards [[SerialRapist Bryce]] [[TheSociopath Walker]], she's even happy to [[spoiler: have [[spoiler:have sex with him]] despite knowing despite knowing he's raped multiple girls (among other nasty things) and that one of his victims was [[spoiler: Jessica]], [[spoiler:Jessica]], who is supposed to be her best friend. For the same reason, viewers also found her to be a bit of a hypocrite in that she's fine hanging around with Bryce - -- a violent and repeat sex offender - -- but says she's afraid to be around Clay, her other supposed best friend, because he's suspected (wrongly) of killing Bryce. Ani is also viewed as unsympathetic for continually defending Bryce, insisting he was trying to become a better person (with ''very'' mixed results) and even suggesting that Clay and the others are wrong for judging Bryce solely for "the worst thing [he] did"; the fact that she's making these arguments to ''Clay and co'' makes her seem particularly insensitive and delusional, seeing as they all knew Bryce much longer than she has and suffered greatly at his hands either directly or indirectly. It's also revealed she's spent the whole season lying to the police to protect [[spoiler: Alex, [[spoiler:Alex, whom she finds out murdered Bryce and sets up Monty for it]].
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: The series is aimed at teenagers but deals with some pretty dark and distressing subject matter that even some adults find hard to deal with, namely suicide and rape. The violence in the show gets pretty graphic, including showing the entirety of Hannah's suicide and ''three'' rape scenes (which we also get flashbacks to). The show's content earned it a [=TV-MA=] rating on Netflix, meaning that anyone under 18 - aka, the ''target audience'' should probably only watch the show accompanied by a parent/guardian, if at all.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: The series is aimed at teenagers but deals with some pretty dark and distressing subject matter that even some adults find hard to deal with, namely suicide and rape. The violence in the show gets pretty graphic, including showing the entirety of Hannah's suicide and ''three'' rape scenes (which we also get flashbacks to). The show's content earned it a [=TV-MA=] TV-MA rating on Netflix, meaning that anyone under 18 - -- aka, the ''target audience'' should probably only watch the show accompanied by a parent/guardian, if at all.
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** Even Bryce moves into the territory in Season 3, as having all his misdeeds laid bare during the trial makes him a social pariah despite his acquittal, and he truly wants to become a better person, but even after starting a consensual sexual relationship he's terrified that he won't be able to resist crossing the line. There's also the issue of his father completely distancing himself, and worrying his mother sees him as the same monster as everyone else. His attempts to reach out to both Jessica and Olivia Baker fail (for perfectly understandable reasons). He's genuinely shocked when Tyler confesses that Monty raped him and even starts looking for him and warns Monty about it. He's a sobbing mess when listening to Hannah's tapes and even makes one of his own for everyone else to apologize for his past misdeeds. And of course [[spoiler:all this is in flashbacks because he's been murdered (after his arm was broken and both of his legs were shattered before he was pushed into a river where he eventually drowned), ending any chance of doing anything meaningful with his life beyond being a rapist.]]

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** Even Bryce moves into the territory in Season 3, 3 despite the fact that he still does some rather scummy things, as having all his misdeeds laid bare during the trial makes him a social pariah despite his acquittal, acquittal (which when looking at his perspective can be rather terrifying), and he truly wants to become a better person, but even after starting a consensual sexual relationship he's terrified that he won't be able to resist crossing the line. There's also the issue of his father completely distancing himself, and worrying his mother sees him as the same monster as everyone else. His attempts to reach out to both Jessica and Olivia Baker fail (for fall on deaf ears (although for perfectly understandable reasons). He's genuinely shocked when Tyler confesses that Monty raped him and decides to protect him even starts looking for him and warns going as far as to threaten Monty about it.himself. He's blamed by Tony for something his father did. He's a sobbing mess when listening to Hannah's tapes and even makes one of his own for everyone else to apologize for his past misdeeds. And of course [[spoiler:all this is in flashbacks because he's been murdered (after his arm was broken and both of his legs were shattered before he was pushed into a river where he eventually drowned), ending any chance of doing anything meaningful with his life beyond being a rapist.]]



* LoveToHate: Bryce. Despite being a firm HateSink, Bryce shows a level of [[FauxAffablyEvil charisma]] and [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatism]] (at least as charismatic as a serial rapist with no real redeeming qualities can be) that makes the audience just love loathing him, especially compared to the more openly spiteful, AxCrazy, StupidEvil Monty.

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* LoveToHate: Bryce. Despite being a firm HateSink, Bryce shows a level of [[FauxAffablyEvil charisma]] and [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatism]] (at least as charismatic as a serial rapist with no real redeeming qualities can be) that makes the audience just love loathing him, especially compared to the more openly spiteful, AxCrazy, StupidEvil Monty. Gets even more complicated in Season 3 though.


** Even Bryce moves into the territory in Season 3, as having all his misdeeds laid bare during the trial makes him a social pariah despite his acquittal, and he truly wants to become a better person, but even after starting a consensual sexual relationship he's terrified that he won't be able to resist crossing the line. There's also the issue of his father completely distancing himself, and worrying his mother sees him as the same monster as everyone else. And of course [[spoiler:all this is in flashbacks because he's been murdered, ending any chance of doing anything meaningful with his life beyond being a rapist.]]

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** Even Bryce moves into the territory in Season 3, as having all his misdeeds laid bare during the trial makes him a social pariah despite his acquittal, and he truly wants to become a better person, but even after starting a consensual sexual relationship he's terrified that he won't be able to resist crossing the line. There's also the issue of his father completely distancing himself, and worrying his mother sees him as the same monster as everyone else. His attempts to reach out to both Jessica and Olivia Baker fail (for perfectly understandable reasons). He's genuinely shocked when Tyler confesses that Monty raped him and even starts looking for him and warns Monty about it. He's a sobbing mess when listening to Hannah's tapes and even makes one of his own for everyone else to apologize for his past misdeeds. And of course [[spoiler:all this is in flashbacks because he's been murdered, murdered (after his arm was broken and both of his legs were shattered before he was pushed into a river where he eventually drowned), ending any chance of doing anything meaningful with his life beyond being a rapist.]]


** Bryce’s arc in Season 3 and his relationship with Ani [[https://www.bustle.com/p/bryce-anis-relationship-on-13-reasons-why-season-3-was-a-big-mistake-18691086 have]] [[https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/13-reasons-why/bryce-walker-ani-achola-sex-season-3/ been]] [[https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/31/20840722/13-reasons-why-season-3-review criticized]] [[https://meaww.com/13-reasons-why-season-3-spoilers-ani-anchola-narrator-pretty-annoying-hypocritical-fans-believe for]] [[https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a28840592/13-reasons-why-season-3-bryce-redemption-mistake/ this.]] The show attempts to portray Bryce in a [[HiddenDepths grayer light]] than previous seasons; he starts to feel some remorse for his crimes while struggling with having to move to a new school, his parents' divorce and being shunned by most people. He also pursues a more equal and respectful relationship with Ani compared to his previous relationships, with Ani believing that Bryce isn't all bad and could become a better person. However, it has been pointed out that trying to make Bryce more sympathetic potentially undermines the show's message about the seriousness of sexual assault; despite being a SerialRapist and [[BullyBrutality brutal bully]] who traumatized several people and contributed to one of his victims taking her own life, the worst punishment Bryce got was three months probation. He gets a second chance at life while his victim, Hannah, will never have this opportunity. It doesn't help that Bryce's personal struggles are given far more screentime than that of his victims' (Jessica and Chloe really only get one episode each focusing on them, while the other girls Bryce assaulted don't appear). The fact that his attempts to make amends seems to be triggered less by a HeelRealization and more by the fact he hates being ostracized by peers, and that he continues to treat others poorly throughout the season, makes his motives come off as rather [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic to some viewers.\\\
** Meanwhile, Bryce's relationship with Ani has also attracted criticism for coming off as a classic case of ICanChangeMyBeloved; Ani pursues a relationship with Bryce despite being warned to stay away from him, emotionally supports him, [[spoiler: is physically intimate with him]] and defends him to others even though she knows what he's done because she believes there's good in him no one else can see; on Bryce's side, it can come off as him being rewarded [[spoiler: with sex]] simply for having the common decency to ''not'' rape or abuse Ani like he did with almost every other girl he interacts with. While Ani ''does'' end up distancing herself from Bryce after seeing his more unpleasant side first hand, some have argued that it's never really presented as wrong or misguided of her to have put herself at risk to act as an emotional crutch for a serial rapist, which they argue sends a very unhealthy or downright dangerous message to viewers. Some have also pointed out that Ani's attempts to defend Bryce can come across as downplaying the severity of his actions and even echo the arguments of rape apologists at times, which comes off as particularly tone-deaf in a show like this.

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** Bryce’s arc in Season 3 and his relationship with Ani [[https://www.bustle.com/p/bryce-anis-relationship-on-13-reasons-why-season-3-was-a-big-mistake-18691086 have]] [[https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/13-reasons-why/bryce-walker-ani-achola-sex-season-3/ been]] [[https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/31/20840722/13-reasons-why-season-3-review criticized]] [[https://meaww.com/13-reasons-why-season-3-spoilers-ani-anchola-narrator-pretty-annoying-hypocritical-fans-believe for]] [[https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a28840592/13-reasons-why-season-3-bryce-redemption-mistake/ this.]] The show attempts to portray Bryce in a [[HiddenDepths grayer light]] than previous seasons; he starts to feel some remorse for his crimes while struggling with having to move to a new school, his parents' divorce and being shunned by most people. He also pursues a more equal and respectful relationship with Ani compared to his previous relationships, with Ani believing that Bryce isn't all bad and could become a better person. However, it has been pointed out that trying to make Bryce more sympathetic potentially undermines the show's message about the seriousness of sexual assault; despite being a SerialRapist and [[BullyBrutality brutal bully]] who traumatized several people and contributed to one of his victims taking her own life, the worst punishment Bryce got was three months probation. He gets a second chance at life while his victim, Hannah, will never have this opportunity. It doesn't help that Bryce's personal struggles are given far more screentime than that of his victims' (Jessica and Chloe really only get one episode each focusing on them, while the other girls Bryce assaulted don't appear). The fact that his attempts to make amends seems to be triggered less by a HeelRealization and more by the fact he hates being ostracized by peers, and that he continues to treat others poorly throughout the season, makes his motives come off as rather [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic to some viewers.\\\
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Meanwhile, Bryce's relationship with Ani has also attracted criticism for coming off as a classic case of ICanChangeMyBeloved; Ani pursues a relationship with Bryce despite being warned to stay away from him, emotionally supports him, [[spoiler: is physically intimate with him]] and defends him to others even though she knows what he's done because she believes there's good in him no one else can see; on Bryce's side, it can come off as him being rewarded [[spoiler: with sex]] simply for having the common decency to ''not'' rape or abuse Ani like he did with almost every other girl he interacts with. While Ani ''does'' end up distancing herself from Bryce after seeing his more unpleasant side first hand, some have argued that it's never really presented as wrong or misguided of her to have put herself at risk to act as an emotional crutch for a serial rapist, which they argue sends a very unhealthy or downright dangerous message to viewers. Some have also pointed out that Ani's attempts to defend Bryce can come across as downplaying the severity of his actions and even echo the arguments of rape apologists at times, which comes off as particularly tone-deaf in a show like this.


Meanwhile, Bryce's relationship with Ani has also attracted criticism for coming off as a classic case of ICanChangeMyBeloved; Ani pursues a relationship with Bryce despite being warned to stay away from him, emotionally supports him, [[spoiler: is physically intimate with him]] and defends him to others even though she knows what he's done because she believes there's good in him no one else can see; on Bryce's side, it can come off as him being rewarded [[spoiler: with sex]] simply for having the common decency to ''not'' rape or abuse Ani like he did with almost every other girl he interacts with. While Ani ''does'' end up distancing herself from Bryce after seeing his more unpleasant side first hand, some have argued that it's never really presented as wrong or misguided of her to have put herself at risk to act as an emotional crutch for a serial rapist, which they argue sends a very unhealthy or downright dangerous message to viewers. Some have also pointed out that Ani's attempts to defend Bryce can come across as downplaying the severity of his actions and even echo the arguments of rape apologists at times, which comes off as particularly tone-deaf in a show like this.

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** Meanwhile, Bryce's relationship with Ani has also attracted criticism for coming off as a classic case of ICanChangeMyBeloved; Ani pursues a relationship with Bryce despite being warned to stay away from him, emotionally supports him, [[spoiler: is physically intimate with him]] and defends him to others even though she knows what he's done because she believes there's good in him no one else can see; on Bryce's side, it can come off as him being rewarded [[spoiler: with sex]] simply for having the common decency to ''not'' rape or abuse Ani like he did with almost every other girl he interacts with. While Ani ''does'' end up distancing herself from Bryce after seeing his more unpleasant side first hand, some have argued that it's never really presented as wrong or misguided of her to have put herself at risk to act as an emotional crutch for a serial rapist, which they argue sends a very unhealthy or downright dangerous message to viewers. Some have also pointed out that Ani's attempts to defend Bryce can come across as downplaying the severity of his actions and even echo the arguments of rape apologists at times, which comes off as particularly tone-deaf in a show like this.


** The show attempts to make the audience sympathize with '''Bryce Walker''' of all people in the third season. While he does seem to feel some remorse and attempts to make amends for his actions, many viewers felt it was far too little, too late. For the first two seasons, Bryce has been portrayed as nothing but a selfish, arrogant and entitled SerialRapist, who left [[spoiler: Jessica]] traumatised and was the catalyst for Hannah killing herself, on top of being a violent bully as well, who never expresses any remorse for the lives he's ruined. He gets off pretty lightly for the rapes and unlike some of the other characters he has no real FreudianExcuse that might make him more sympathetic; he's just so self-absorbed and used to getting his own way he feels he can do whatever he wants. As a result, a lot of viewers had a very hard time sympathizing with him in any way; many people doubted the sincerity of his remorse seeing as he continues to act in scummy ways such as traumatizing a young boy, and breaking Zach's leg out of spite, or felt that he had long since passed the MoralEventHorizon to warrant any pity. Even Justin Prentice himself thinks that Bryce was beyond redemption.
** In addition to Bryce, Season 3 tries to make us feel bad for Monty too, who is about on par with Bryce in terms of loathsomeness. He's yet another sadistic JerkJock and bully, who actually witnessed Bryce raping [[spoiler: Hannah]] but did nothing to intervene, later wages a campaign of terror on Bryce's many victims to try and silence them and becomes a rapist himself, [[spoiler: brutally assaulting Tyler...because he ''[[DisproportionateRetribution inadvertantly got the championship season cancelled]]'']] (to the point where even [[EvenEvilHasStandards Bryce himself was disgusted]] when he found out about it). Season 3 gives him a FreudianExcuse by showing more scenes with his abusive father and revealing that he is [[spoiler: deep in the closet]], but many viewers felt this wasn't enough to make us pity such a vile character, especially considering he still does crappy things throughout the third season such as [[DomesticAbuse beating up a person he slept with]] because he thinks people will [[spoiler: realize he's gay purely from Winston ''talking'' to him]]. Also, while Bryce does show remorse for his actions and at least attempts to change and become a better man, Monty doesn't show any remorse for his actions other then apologizing to [[spoiler: Winston]] for beating him up nor does he make any attempt to change.
** Ani, who was introduced into the show in Season Three. Although she doesn't do anything remotely as horrible as Bryce or Monty, she does take some actions that many viewers found rather morally-questionable. She's not only very sympathetic towards [[SerialRapist Bryce]] [[TheSociopath Walker]], she's even happy to [[spoiler: have sex with him]] despite knowing he's raped multiple girls (among other nasty things) and that one of his victims was [[spoiler: Jessica]], who is supposed to be her best friend. For the same reason, viewers also found her to be a bit of a hypocrite in that she's fine hanging around with Bryce - a violent and repeat sex offender - but says she's afraid to be around Clay, her other supposed best friend, because he's suspected (wrongly) of killing Bryce. Ani is also viewed as unsympathetic for continually defending Bryce, insisting he was trying to become a better person (with ''very'' mixed results) and even suggesting that Clay and the others are wrong for judging Bryce solely for "the worst thing [he] did"; the fact that she's making these arguments to ''Clay and co'' makes her seem particularly insensitive and delusional, seeing as they all knew Bryce much longer than she has and suffered greatly at his hands either directly or indirectly. It's also revealed she's spent the whole season lying to the police to protect [[spoiler: Alex, whom she finds out murdered Bryce and even tries to set up Monty for it]].

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** The show attempts to make the audience sympathize with '''Bryce Walker''' of all people in the third season. While he does seem to feel some remorse and attempts to make amends for his actions, many viewers felt it was far too little, too late. For the first two seasons, Bryce has been portrayed as nothing but a selfish, arrogant and entitled SerialRapist, who left [[spoiler: Jessica]] traumatised and was the catalyst for Hannah killing herself, on top of being a violent bully as well, who never expresses any remorse for the lives he's ruined. He gets off pretty lightly for the rapes and unlike some of the other characters he has no real FreudianExcuse that might make him more sympathetic; he's just so self-absorbed and used to getting his own way he feels he can do whatever he wants. As a result, a lot of viewers had a very hard time sympathizing with him in any way; many people doubted the sincerity of his remorse seeing as he continues to act in scummy ways such as traumatizing a young boy, and breaking Zach's leg out of spite, or felt that he had long since passed the MoralEventHorizon to warrant any pity. Even Hell, even Justin Prentice himself thinks thought that Bryce was beyond redemption.
** In addition to Bryce, Season 3 tries to make us feel bad for Monty too, who is about on par with Bryce in terms of loathsomeness. He's yet another sadistic JerkJock and bully, who actually witnessed Bryce raping [[spoiler: Hannah]] but did nothing to intervene, later wages a campaign of terror on Bryce's many victims to try and silence them and becomes a rapist himself, [[spoiler: brutally assaulting Tyler...because he ''[[DisproportionateRetribution inadvertantly got the championship season cancelled]]'']] (to the point where even [[EvenEvilHasStandards Bryce himself was disgusted]] when he found out about it).it and warned him to stay away from Tyler). Season 3 gives him a FreudianExcuse by showing more scenes with his abusive father and revealing that he is [[spoiler: deep in the closet]], but many viewers felt this wasn't enough to make us pity such a vile character, especially considering he still does crappy things throughout the third season such as [[DomesticAbuse beating up a person he slept with]] because he thinks people will [[spoiler: realize he's gay purely from Winston ''talking'' to him]]. Also, while Bryce does show at least shows remorse for his actions and at least attempts ''tires'' to change and become a better man, Monty only apologizes to Winston for beating him up and doesn't show any remorse for his past actions other then apologizing to [[spoiler: Winston]] for beating him up (one of them being raping Tyler with a mop pole) nor does he make any attempt to change.
** Ani, who was introduced into the show in Season Three. Although she doesn't do anything remotely as horrible as Bryce or Monty, she does take some actions that many viewers found rather morally-questionable. She's not only very sympathetic towards [[SerialRapist Bryce]] [[TheSociopath Walker]], she's even happy to [[spoiler: have sex with him]] despite knowing he's raped multiple girls (among other nasty things) and that one of his victims was [[spoiler: Jessica]], who is supposed to be her best friend. For the same reason, viewers also found her to be a bit of a hypocrite in that she's fine hanging around with Bryce - a violent and repeat sex offender - but says she's afraid to be around Clay, her other supposed best friend, because he's suspected (wrongly) of killing Bryce. Ani is also viewed as unsympathetic for continually defending Bryce, insisting he was trying to become a better person (with ''very'' mixed results) and even suggesting that Clay and the others are wrong for judging Bryce solely for "the worst thing [he] did"; the fact that she's making these arguments to ''Clay and co'' makes her seem particularly insensitive and delusional, seeing as they all knew Bryce much longer than she has and suffered greatly at his hands either directly or indirectly. It's also revealed she's spent the whole season lying to the police to protect [[spoiler: Alex, whom she finds out murdered Bryce and even tries to set sets up Monty for it]].


* JerkassHasAPoint: Ani was not sympathetic when she argued that Clay "refused to see Bryce as anything but a rapist." But she did have a point when she pointed out that Clay was more than happy to help out a near school shooter who almost murdered everyone.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: Ani was not sympathetic when she argued that Clay "refused to see Bryce as anything but a rapist." But she did have a point when she pointed out that Clay was more than happy to help out a near school shooter who almost murdered everyone.

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* AngstWhatAngst: After a whole season of built up trying to find out who killed Bryce, the motive behind it, and watching other characters in grief from it. [[spoiler: None of the main group react in horror, disgust, shock or are even conflicted when it is revealed to be Alex. They even willingly cover it up, and frame Monty. This is especially jarring in Clay's case as Alex was willing to let him go down for the murder and even spent a few days in jail while Alex did nothing to try to clear his name.]]


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* CatharsisFactor:
** [[SerialRapist Bryce]]'s death can come off as this for many people. In spite of it being portrayed more as an AlasPoorVillain death, it is still satisfying to finally see him powerless and helpless after two seasons of [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty evading justice for his actions]].
** The same goes for Monty's death. While it too was played for sympathy, you can't help but feel just a little bit content to see him first being arrested, then spat on, then killed (albeit offscreen) after everything he did (including and '''ESPECIALLY''' the broomstick rape of Tyler) and got away with.

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* ItWasHisSled:
** From Season 1, Hannah overheard Bryce [[spoiler: raping Jessica]] and was too scared to intervene, Clay is on the tapes because [[spoiler: Hannah wanted to apologize and doesn't actually blame him at all]], the catalyst for Hannah's suicide was [[spoiler: Bryce raping her]], episode 13 graphically depicts Hannah's suicide (at least until the scene was heavily edited in 2019) and the tapes end up being leaked.
** From Season 2, Bryce is confirmed to be a SerialRapist [[spoiler: who gets only three months probation for raping Jessica]], [[spoiler: Monty]] is the one trying to shut everyone up and Tyler [[spoiler: is raped by Monty and tries to commit a school shooting, but is stopped by Clay]].


* UnintentionallySympathetic: When we see the act that got Justin on the tapes, him spreading the suggestive photo of Hannah around the school, we see that Bryce took his phone and sent the photo around while he tried to get it back. Later on, when Hannah blames him for [[spoiler:Jessica being raped by Bryce]], she overlooks the fact that he's absolutely drunk and has no idea what's happening (and even then, he still tries to stop it before Bryce shuts him up), but Hannah acts as though [[spoiler:he raped Jessica himself]]. While he should've deleted the photo of Hannah, and him [[spoiler:leaving Jessica is up for interpretation]], the fact is that he's on the tapes for something ''he didn't actually do''.

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When we see the act that got Justin on the tapes, him spreading the suggestive photo of Hannah around the school, we see that Bryce took his phone and sent the photo around while he tried to get it back. Later on, when Hannah blames him for [[spoiler:Jessica being raped by Bryce]], she overlooks the fact that he's absolutely drunk and has no idea what's happening (and even then, he still tries to stop it before Bryce shuts him up), but Hannah acts as though [[spoiler:he raped Jessica himself]]. While he should've deleted the photo of Hannah, and him [[spoiler:leaving Jessica is up for interpretation]], the fact is that he's on the tapes for something ''he didn't actually do''.do''.
** Casey in Season 3. She's supposed to be a StrawFeminist, and, yes, crashing Bryce's funeral is a dick move, but Bryce raping both Hannah ''and'' Jessica was actually a large part of the reason Hannah was DrivenToSuicide in the first place. With Season 3 doing the very [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] action of making us feel some sympathy for Bryce, a serial rapist, it can often feel like Casey is one of few characters who remembers what absolute carnage Bryce's monstrous actions caused.


* HilariousInHindsight: A [[FanPreferredCouple (very popular) ]] CrackShip between characters named Justin and Alex [[labelnote: note]] largely thanks to great chemistry between the actors[[/labelnote]] in a [[Creator/SelenaGomez Selena Gomez]] show? [[Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace Again?]]

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A [[FanPreferredCouple (very popular) ]] CrackShip between characters named Justin and Alex [[labelnote: note]] largely thanks to great chemistry between the actors[[/labelnote]] in a [[Creator/SelenaGomez Selena Gomez]] show? [[Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace Again?]]Again?]]
** In Season One of Series/{{Riverdale}} Ross Butler played a JerkJock who accused the resident LovableJock of helping the outcasted loner murder another jock. In Season Three of Thirteen Reasons Why, Ross Butler plays a LovableJock who is accused of helping the outcasted loner murder another jock by the resident JerkJock.

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