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** Hayato Sakamoto due to his OldShame / BleachedUnderpants background. Some like his art and feel he's a surprisingly good fill in for Milne while others dislike his background as a doujinshi artist and feel his fanservice laden stories from the TFCC and the Japanese pack ins are excessive and tasteless. His old art is especially controversial with several fans accusing him of promoting pedophilia to where even the Website/TFWikiDotNet tried to call him out; while others feel that the whole issue is overblown.

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** Hayato Sakamoto due to his OldShame / BleachedUnderpants background. Some like his art and feel he's a surprisingly good fill in for Milne while others dislike his background as a doujinshi artist and feel his fanservice laden stories from the TFCC and the Japanese pack ins are excessive and tasteless. His old art is especially controversial with several fans accusing him of promoting pedophilia to where even the Website/TFWikiDotNet tried to call him out; while others feel that the whole issue is overblown.
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* EvilIsSexy:
** Overlord is just about this personified, with his handsome (for a giant robot) looks and campy, charismatic, and theatrical mannerisms. (Doesn't make him any less scary or creepy, however.)
*** In fact, one defining trait of Overlord has been his luscious lips. Possibly lampshaded by IDW themselves with the alternate cover for issue 15 which is basically a close-up of Overlord's lips. This was later confirmed by the [[WordOfGod creators]], where they indicated they based his looks on the Roman/Greek busts of old, pout and all, hence the luscious lips.
** Oh, so you noticed all the work Alex Milne put into Pharma's design? So did the fans.
** Star Saber is not exactly a slouch in this department. Neither is Tyrest, despite [[BodyHorror routinely drilling holes in himself]].
** This is about the only nice thing one could say about the Senate.
** Parodied in Issue 42, where Ravage and Riptide are heavily implied to be playing a game of "who's more attractive" about ''[[RankScalesWithAsskicking Megatron]]'' and ''[[TheChessmaster Shockwave.]]''
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"Sue" is Flame Bait. ZCE.


** While it's in the minority, some fans have come to see Tailgate's character in the last bits of Season 2 and Lost Light as this, as some feel he's become an obnoxious mary-sue type character.
** "Lost Light" Aka Season Three also gets hit with this.
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Redundant with Audience Coloring Adaptation being more fitting.


* AdaptationDisplacement: This comic's portrayal of several characters are much more well-known and popular than their usual interpretations. Notable examples include Swerve, Tailgate, Whirl, Chromedome, Rewind, and Cyclonus.
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* AudienceColoringAdaptation: ''MTMTE'' gave the spotlight to a plethora of characters the franchise as a whole often neglected, causing many people to see characterizations given to them here as ''the'' definitive characterizations for them. In particular, Cyclonus, Tailgate, Whirl, Chromedome, Rewind, Brainstorm, Swerve, Skids, and the Scavengers have all received fully fleshed out arcs and become fan-favorites as a result, and it can seem jarring should they be characterized anyway other than like here. The [[ComicBook/TheTransformers2019 2019 Reboot]] ended up with this on both fronts, as while Cyclonus' characterization there was closer to here, both [[spoiler:Brainstorm's]] death early into the run, and Spinister's characterization being more akin to his early days in Marvel comics, ended up not sitting right with readers due to being so different from the versions they'd come to know and love.

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* AudienceColoringAdaptation: ''MTMTE'' gave the spotlight to a plethora of characters the franchise as a whole often neglected, causing many people to see characterizations given to them here as ''the'' definitive characterizations for them. In particular, Cyclonus, Tailgate, Whirl, Chromedome, Rewind, Brainstorm, Swerve, Skids, and the Scavengers have all received fully fleshed out arcs and become fan-favorites as a result, and it can seem jarring should they be characterized anyway other than like here. The [[ComicBook/TheTransformers2019 [[ComicBook/Transformers2019 2019 Reboot]] ended up with this on both fronts, as while Cyclonus' characterization there was closer to here, both [[spoiler:Brainstorm's]] death early into the run, and Spinister's characterization being more akin to his early days in Marvel comics, ended up not sitting right with readers due to being so different from the versions they'd come to know and love.
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* AudienceColoringAdaptation: ''MTMTE'' gave the spotlight to a plethora of characters the franchise as a whole often neglected, causing many people to see characterizations given to them here as ''the'' definitive characterizations for them. In particular, Cyclonus, Tailgate, Whirl, Chromedome, Rewind, Brainstorm, Swerve, Skids, and the Scavengers have all received fully fleshed out arcs and become fan-favorites as a result, and it can seem jarring should they be characterized anyway other than like here. The [[ComicBook/TheTransformers2019 2019 Reboot]] ended up with this on both fronts, as while Cyclonus' characterization there was closer to here, both [[spoiler:Brainstorm's]] death early into the run, and Spinister's characterization being more akin to his early days in Marvel comics, ended up not sitting right with readers due to being so different from the versions they'd come to know and love.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Decepticon Justice Division were given several moments which went to lengths to ''humanize'' them and make them more than two-dimensional psychotic killers. Their refusal to harm neutrals like the Necrobot, expanding on Tarn's character with his [[OnlySaneMan apparent disgust]] at what the DJD does but seeing it as DirtyBusiness, the introduction of Nickel, etc. Setting them up to have their own set of ethics would have been an interesting means of examining how the DJD followed the ideals of the Decepticons in a post-war world, contrasting them with [[ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise Galvatron or Soundwave]], and had their own sense of camaraderie, like [[AFatherToHisMen Tarn's concern for Kaon]], or caring for Nickel enough to give her a recording of his voice in case of emergencies. It would also better serve the reveal that Tarn was once [[spoiler:Damus/Glitch]], and could examine how much he ''actually'' changed since then. [[spoiler:Instead, the group, sans Nickel, is relegated to two dimensional psycho's on the Necroworld, Tarn's character barely different than Galvatron. The aforementioned traits are all reversed, to the point Nickel leaves in disgust after he kills Kaon, and the group suffers an UndignifiedDeath at the hands of Megatron after they push him too far.]]

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The Decepticon Justice Division were given several moments which went to lengths to ''humanize'' them and make them more than two-dimensional psychotic killers. Their refusal to harm neutrals like the Necrobot, expanding on Tarn's character with his [[OnlySaneMan apparent disgust]] at what the DJD does but seeing it as DirtyBusiness, the introduction of Nickel, etc. Setting them up to have their own set of ethics would have been an interesting means of examining how the DJD followed the ideals of the Decepticons in a post-war world, contrasting them with [[ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise Galvatron or Soundwave]], and had their own sense of camaraderie, like [[AFatherToHisMen Tarn's concern for Kaon]], or caring for Nickel enough to give her a recording of his voice in case of emergencies. It would also better serve the reveal that Tarn was once [[spoiler:Damus/Glitch]], and could examine how much he ''actually'' changed since then. [[spoiler:Instead, the group, sans Nickel, is relegated to two dimensional psycho's on the Necroworld, Tarn's character barely different than Galvatron. The aforementioned traits are all reversed, to the point Nickel leaves in disgust after he kills Kaon, and the group suffers an UndignifiedDeath at the hands of Megatron after they push him too far.]]]]
** [[spoiler:Atomizer's]] HeelFaceTurn is often seen as being unceremoniously ended too early. After he was given plenty of focus during "The Mutineers Trilogy" that demonstrated how different he was from Getaway, he [[spoiler:chooses to remain behind buying time for First Aid and Riptide to take Thunderclash with them and steal Star Saber's ship, which results in Getaway proceeding to kill Atomizer with his bare hands. Many had wished Atomizer had gone ''with'' the others since Star Saber was already incapacitated enough, and point out that he didn't ''have'' to die, especially when the only thing to come from his death, the idea Getaway had Froid and Sunder modify everyone's memories to make them think ''Thunderclash'' killed him, doesn't go anywhere since the crew are turned into Sparkeaters by time they're next seen.]] Presumably, this is an unintended side effect of the mandated ContinuityReboot forcing the series to rush towards an ending, as Roberts had admitted to ''wanting'' to do more stories focusing on the Mutineers at Botcon 2018, with Lug and Anode even originally conceptualized as being the leads of one such story, but the mandate caused those plans to be scrapped.
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** Megatron [[spoiler:[[KickTheSonOfABitch slaughtering the DJD like animals]]]] in Issue 55.

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** Megatron [[spoiler:[[KickTheSonOfABitch slaughtering [[spoiler:slaughtering the DJD like animals]]]] animals]] in Issue 55.
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MEH requires the character be incapable of redeeming themselves, but also had a chance at redemption in the first place. Star Saber, Overlord, and the DJD were incapable of redeeming themselves, and Megatron did redeem himself.


** Overlord undoubtably crossed it years before this series. It would be easier to describe the moments he ''isn't'' crossing it. However the moment he loses all possible likability is when he horrifically murders [[spoiler:Pipes]] for no reason at all, then goes off to do the same to everyone else on the ship.
** Star Saber crossed it in the backstory [[spoiler:when he tried to commit genocide against ''everyone in the galaxy that didn't believe in Primus''.]] If that didn't do it, then [[spoiler:murdering Dai Atlas]] definitely did.



** Megatron likely crossed it ages ago (the events of ''All Hail Megatron'' come to mind). His character arc seems to be based around whether someone who has crossed the horizon can possibly find a way to redemption.
** In case it wasn't clear how monstrous the DJD is; [[spoiler: issue 32 shows how they slaughtered an alternate version of the Lost Light crew, torturing or mutilating everyone except the alternate Rewind than blowing the ship in half out of spite. And issue 33 shows that they forced Rewind to film everything by promising to spare Chromedome, than tried to force Chromedome to erase his memories of Rewind before brutally murdering Chromedome with his own needles when he said no.]]
*** Possibly subverted by issue 39, which reveals that the DJD only did so because [[spoiler: they were whacked off their skulls on [[FantasticDrug Nuke]] and lost control when they saw Drift.]] However, [[spoiler: Vos and Kaon murdering Trailcutter]] just after ''he saved their lives'', has no excuse.
*** And if that instant wasn't an MEH, [[spoiler:surgically mutilating and lobotomising Dominus Ambus, then keeping him as a pet certainly is.]]
** Tarn has two possible crossings.
*** The earliest was when [[spoiler:he horrifically murdered hundreds of prisoners in Grindcore via smelting chamber just to get spare metal for Decepticon MTO creation. And he tricked Skids into helping him do it, then made Skids watch as the prisoners died.]]
*** The second was much later when [[spoiler:he callously tears off Kaon's head, subverting his only redeemable quality of being loyal to his underlings]].
** In issue 47, [[spoiler:Getaway's plans for Tailgate]] are revealed, and as bad as [[{{Yandere}} previous]] [[ManipulativeBastard implications]] were, the truth is so very worse. [[spoiler:It turns out that Getaway, Atomizer and Whirl have been trying to goad Megatron into giving the crew a reason to re-incarcerate or execute him. Following the failure of a direct assault by Whirl, Getaway decides that the best course of action is to manipulate a patsy into attacking Megatron, to be killed. He picks Tailgate, a naive little child of a 'bot, spending months sending him romantic signals and playing his insecurities, driving him away from Cyclonus in the process. When Whirl has an attack of conscience and tries to talk the other two out of the plan, Getaway mocks him as Atomizer wipes his memories of the conspiracy, then smugly does the same to Cyclonus as the ancient 'bot runs off to save Tailgate. Atomizer]] is also fully complicit in the plan, so this likely counts as a shared MEH for both.
*** He crosses an even bigger one when [[spoiler: he allows the Lost Light crew to be turned into sparkeaters just so he could set them loose on Rodimus and company]].
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** Parodied in Issue 42, where Ravage and Riptide are heavily implied to be playing a game of "who's more attractive" about ''[[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking Megatron]]'' and ''[[TheChessmaster Shockwave.]]''

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** Parodied in Issue 42, where Ravage and Riptide are heavily implied to be playing a game of "who's more attractive" about ''[[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking ''[[RankScalesWithAsskicking Megatron]]'' and ''[[TheChessmaster Shockwave.]]''
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** Ultra Magnus' SuperOCD tendencies are pretty funny, right? Ha, he thinks skewed Autobot symbols are tantamount to mutiny. Well, turns out his SuperOCD is because he's having a full-on ''nervous breakdown'' because he can't handle peacetime. And it turns out his boss Chief Justice Tyrest found out about it and was ''not'' amused.

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** Ultra Magnus' SuperOCD obsessive compulsive tendencies are pretty funny, right? Ha, he thinks skewed Autobot symbols are tantamount to mutiny. Well, turns out his SuperOCD obsessively compulsive is because he's having a full-on ''nervous breakdown'' because he can't handle peacetime. And it turns out his boss Chief Justice Tyrest found out about it and was ''not'' amused.
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** Quite a few fans were disappointed at Getaway's turn to a total bastard in Lost Light. While few would defend his actions, he does ultimately [[JerkAssHasAPoint bring up some good points-]] Megatron is getting off scott free for his actions, and Rodimus is an incompetent narcissist-not to mention, he didn't count on the DJD showing up. Seems like the setup for an interesting conflict, right? [[spoiler: NOPE! Come Lost Light, he's total grade A scumbag who throws away the lives of his crew like they were scraps off his plate (including his only remaining friend) in order to save his own skin, all the while being a smug self-centered douchebag all the way.]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Decepticon Justice Division were given several moments of their own which, while not absolving them of the horrific things they do, went to lengths to ''humanize'' them and make them more than two-dimensional psychotic killers. Their refusal to harm neutrals like the Necrobot, expanding on Tarn's character with his apparent disgust at what the DJD does but seeing it as DirtyBusiness, the introduction of Nickel, etc. Setting them up to have their own set of ethics even during their inevitable confrontation with [[spoiler:Megatron]] would have been an interesting means of examining how the DJD, and Decepticons like them such as Deathsaurus' army, followed the ideals of the Decepticons in a post-war world, contrasting them with those in the pages of [[ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise RID]] like Galvatron or Soundwave, and had their own sense of camaraderie, like [[AFatherToHisMen Tarn's concern for Kaon]] when under the effects of the Universal Killswitch, or having his faith reignited by Nickel and cared for her enough to give her a recording of his voice in case of emergencies. It would also be a means of bridging the reveal that Tarn was once [[spoiler:Damus/Glitch]], and could be used to examine how much of him had actually ''changed'' since then, and how much was still there. [[spoiler:Instead, the group, sans Nickel, is relegated to two dimensional psycho's during their confrontation with Megatron, Tarn's characterization now making him barely different than Galvatron. The aforementioned traits are all reversed, to the point Nickel leaves in disgust after he kills Kaon, and the group suffers an UndignifiedDeath at the hands of Megatron after they push him too far.]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Decepticon Justice Division were given several moments of their own which, while not absolving them of the horrific things they do, which went to lengths to ''humanize'' them and make them more than two-dimensional psychotic killers. Their refusal to harm neutrals like the Necrobot, expanding on Tarn's character with his [[OnlySaneMan apparent disgust disgust]] at what the DJD does but seeing it as DirtyBusiness, the introduction of Nickel, etc. Setting them up to have their own set of ethics even during their inevitable confrontation with [[spoiler:Megatron]] would have been an interesting means of examining how the DJD, and Decepticons like them such as Deathsaurus' army, DJD followed the ideals of the Decepticons in a post-war world, contrasting them with those in the pages of [[ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise RID]] like Galvatron or Soundwave, Soundwave]], and had their own sense of camaraderie, like [[AFatherToHisMen Tarn's concern for Kaon]] when under the effects of the Universal Killswitch, Kaon]], or having his faith reignited by caring for Nickel and cared for her enough to give her a recording of his voice in case of emergencies. It would also be a means of bridging better serve the reveal that Tarn was once [[spoiler:Damus/Glitch]], and could be used to examine how much of him had actually ''changed'' he ''actually'' changed since then, and how much was still there. then. [[spoiler:Instead, the group, sans Nickel, is relegated to two dimensional psycho's during their confrontation with Megatron, on the Necroworld, Tarn's characterization now making him character barely different than Galvatron. The aforementioned traits are all reversed, to the point Nickel leaves in disgust after he kills Kaon, and the group suffers an UndignifiedDeath at the hands of Megatron after they push him too far.]]

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