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* SocietyMarchesOn / ValuesDissonance: The books were published in the very early 00's, and sometimes it's painfully obvious that this is long before the "Me, Too" movement.

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* SocietyMarchesOn / ValuesDissonance: The books were published in the very early 00's, and sometimes it's painfully obvious that this is long before the "Me, Too" movement.
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** The five-or-so year age gap between Suze and Jesse isn't a big deal by the time ''Remembrance'' rolls around, but Suze starts the series at age 15, which makes for some eyebrow-raising AgeGapAlgebra.
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** Within the first chapter of "Darkest Hour," we are introduced to Paul Slater, who makes a comment that Suze admits is borderline sexual harassment, but he gets away with it because he's good-looking. Two pages later, Suze makes a comment that her body is often "complimented on by the occasional construction worker." Suze is ''16'' at this point in the series.

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** Within the first chapter of In "Darkest Hour," we are introduced to Paul Slater, who makes opens the door to Suze and hits on her, despite him being a comment that guest at the hotel she's working at and her being there to watch his little brother. Suze admits is it's borderline sexual harassment, harassment and inappropriate, but he gets away with it it's "okay" because he's her age and good-looking. Two pages later, Suze she makes a comment about her body, saying that her body is often it's "complimented on by the occasional construction worker." Suze is ''16'' at this point in the series.
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* SocietyMarchesOn/ValuesDissonance: The books were published in the very early 00's, and sometimes it's painfully obvious that this is long before the "Me, Too" movement.

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* SocietyMarchesOn/ValuesDissonance: SocietyMarchesOn / ValuesDissonance: The books were published in the very early 00's, and sometimes it's painfully obvious that this is long before the "Me, Too" movement.
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*** Suze explains at least some of it as his calling her about things related to her position as vice president of her class.

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*** Suze explains at least some of it as his calling her about things related to her position as vice president of her class.class.
* SocietyMarchesOn/ValuesDissonance: The books were published in the very early 00's, and sometimes it's painfully obvious that this is long before the "Me, Too" movement.
** Within the first chapter of "Darkest Hour," we are introduced to Paul Slater, who makes a comment that Suze admits is borderline sexual harassment, but he gets away with it because he's good-looking. Two pages later, Suze makes a comment that her body is often "complimented on by the occasional construction worker." Suze is ''16'' at this point in the series.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Paul Slater is a pretty complex character. Opinion varies between fans: was he truly a callous, uncaring JerkAss rich teen who [[spoiler:eventually learned to accept that things do not always go exactly how he wants them, that he is not better than anyone else because of his gifts, and becomes a better person because of it]]? Or was he really just a [[spoiler:JerkassWoobie, neglected by his parents, isolated and in need of a true and honest friend who just likes him for being him the whole time]]?

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Paul Slater is a pretty complex character. Opinion varies between fans: was he truly a callous, uncaring JerkAss rich teen who [[spoiler:eventually learned to accept that things do not always go exactly how he wants them, that he is not better than anyone else because of his gifts, and becomes a better person because of it]]? Or was he really just a [[spoiler:JerkassWoobie, neglected by his parents, isolated and in need of a true and honest friend who just likes him for being him the whole time]]?





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* CompleteMonster: Paul can border this for some readers. Here's a list of the things he does in the space of three books: allows his little brother to believe that he's a freak and become more and more introverted by not explaining the reason that he sees dead people; manipulates a girl into a courtesy date just so that he can [[spoiler:exorcise a perfectly harmless ghost without her interference]], and gets his little brother to do it under the impression that he's doing something nice for the girl who helped him to overcome his fear and act like a normal kid for once in his life; steals money from a dead woman and refuses to return it to her grandson as she requested (even exorcising her so that she can't stop him; bearing in mind that his family is rich as hell and he doesn't even need the cash- hell, it's ''lunch money'' to him); blackmails aforementioned girl into coming over to his house every week by threatening to [[spoiler:exorcise aforementioned ghost yet again so that he can have her to himself]]; forcefully kisses her and almost stops her from leaving; steals her hairclip for the express use of provoking [[spoiler:the guy she loves by insinuating that he slept with her]]; goads a recently deceased and impressionable ghost into almost drowning his brother (who survived the accident that killed him) out of jealousy; plans to go back in time in order to prevent [[spoiler:aforementioned girl and ghost, who are deeply in love, from ever meeting so that he can have her to himself]] and backing her into a moral corner so that she can't fight him on it, and thereby plans to make her forget that [[spoiler:said ghost]] ever existed and have her to himself.

* Are Suze's parents really as oblivious as they seem? And why don't they seem to care that she spends more time than usual with the principal?

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* CompleteMonster: Paul can border this for some readers. Here's a list of the things he does in the space of three books: allows his little brother to believe that he's a freak and become more and more introverted by not explaining the reason that he sees dead people; manipulates a girl into a courtesy date just so that he can [[spoiler:exorcise a perfectly harmless ghost without her interference]], and gets his little brother to do it under the impression that he's doing something nice for the girl who helped him to overcome his fear and act like a normal kid for once in his life; steals money from a dead woman and refuses to return it to her grandson as she requested (even exorcising her so that she can't stop him; bearing in mind that his family is rich as hell and he doesn't even need the cash- hell, it's ''lunch money'' to him); blackmails aforementioned girl into coming over to his house every week by threatening to [[spoiler:exorcise aforementioned ghost yet again so that he can have her to himself]]; forcefully kisses her and almost stops her from leaving; steals her hairclip for the express use of provoking [[spoiler:the guy she loves by insinuating that he slept with her]]; goads a recently deceased and impressionable ghost into almost drowning his brother (who survived the accident that killed him) out of jealousy; plans to go back in time in order to prevent [[spoiler:aforementioned girl and ghost, who are deeply in love, from ever meeting so that he can have her to himself]] and backing her into a moral corner so that she can't fight him on it, and thereby plans to make her forget that [[spoiler:said ghost]] ever existed and have her to himself.

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** Are Suze's parents really as oblivious as they seem? And why don't they seem to care that she spends more time than usual with the principal?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Paul Slater is a pretty complex character. Opinion varies between fans: was he truly a callous, uncaring JerkAss rich teen who [[spoiler:eventually learned to accept that things do not always go exactly how he wants them, that he is not better than anyone else because of his gifts, and becomes a better person because of it]]? Or was he really just a [[JerkassWoobie, neglected by his parents, isolated and in need of a true and honest friend who just likes him for being him the whole time]]?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Paul Slater is a pretty complex character. Opinion varies between fans: was he truly a callous, uncaring JerkAss rich teen who [[spoiler:eventually learned to accept that things do not always go exactly how he wants them, that he is not better than anyone else because of his gifts, and becomes a better person because of it]]? Or was he really just a [[JerkassWoobie, [[spoiler:JerkassWoobie, neglected by his parents, isolated and in need of a true and honest friend who just likes him for being him the whole time]]?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Paul Slater is a pretty complex character. Opinion varies between fans: was he truly a callous, uncaring JerkAss rich teen who eventually learned to accept that things do not always go exactly how he wants them, and that he is not invincible or a god or better than anyone else because of his gifts, becoming a better person because of it- or was he really just a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, neglected by his parents, isolated and in need of a true and honest friend who just likes him for being him the whole time?
* CompleteMonster: Paul can border this for some readers. Here's a list of the things he does: allows his little brother to believe that he's a freak and allow him to become more and more introverted by not explaining the reason that he sees dead people, manipulates a girl into a courtesy date just so that he can [[spoiler:exorcise a perfectly harmless ghost without her interference]], and gets his little brother to do it under the impression that he's doing something nice for the girl who helped him to overcome his fear and act like a normal kid for once in his life, steals money from a dead woman and refuses to return it to her grandson as she requested (even exorcising her so that she can't stop him; bearing in mind that his family is rich as hell and he doesn't even need the cash- hell, it's ''lunch money'' to him), blackmails aforementioned girl into coming over to his house every week by threatening to [[spoiler:exorcise aforementioned ghost again so that he can have her to himself]], forcefully kisses her and almost stops her from leaving, steals her hairclip for the express use of provoking [[spoiler:the guy she loves by insinuating that he slept with her]], goads a recently deceased and impressionable ghost into almost drowning his brother (who survived the accident that killed him) out of jealousy, plans to go back in time in order to prevent [[spoiler:aforementioned girl and ghost, who are deeply in love, from ever meeting so that he can have her to himself]] and backing her into a moral corner so that she can't fight him on it, and thereby plans to make her forget he ever existed and have said girl to himself.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Paul Slater is a pretty complex character. Opinion varies between fans: was he truly a callous, uncaring JerkAss rich teen who eventually [[spoiler:eventually learned to accept that things do not always go exactly how he wants them, and that he is not invincible or a god or not better than anyone else because of his gifts, becoming and becomes a better person because of it- or it]]? Or was he really just a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, [[JerkassWoobie, neglected by his parents, isolated and in need of a true and honest friend who just likes him for being him the whole time?
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* CompleteMonster: Paul can border this for some readers. Here's a list of the things he does: does in the space of three books: allows his little brother to believe that he's a freak and allow him to become more and more introverted by not explaining the reason that he sees dead people, people; manipulates a girl into a courtesy date just so that he can [[spoiler:exorcise a perfectly harmless ghost without her interference]], and gets his little brother to do it under the impression that he's doing something nice for the girl who helped him to overcome his fear and act like a normal kid for once in his life, life; steals money from a dead woman and refuses to return it to her grandson as she requested (even exorcising her so that she can't stop him; bearing in mind that his family is rich as hell and he doesn't even need the cash- hell, it's ''lunch money'' to him), him); blackmails aforementioned girl into coming over to his house every week by threatening to [[spoiler:exorcise aforementioned ghost yet again so that he can have her to himself]], himself]]; forcefully kisses her and almost stops her from leaving, leaving; steals her hairclip for the express use of provoking [[spoiler:the guy she loves by insinuating that he slept with her]], her]]; goads a recently deceased and impressionable ghost into almost drowning his brother (who survived the accident that killed him) out of jealousy, jealousy; plans to go back in time in order to prevent [[spoiler:aforementioned girl and ghost, who are deeply in love, from ever meeting so that he can have her to himself]] and backing her into a moral corner so that she can't fight him on it, and thereby plans to make her forget he that [[spoiler:said ghost]] ever existed and have said girl her to himself.
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* CompleteMonster: Paul can border this for some readers. Here's a list of some of the things he does: allows his little brother to believe that he's a freak and allow him to become more and more introverted by not explaining the reason that he sees dead people, manipulates a girl into a courtesy date just so that he can [[spoiler:exorcise a perfectly harmless ghost without her interference]], and gets his little brother to do it under the impression that he's doing something nice for the girl who helped him to overcome his fear and act like a normal kid for once in his life, seals money from a dead woman and refuses to return it to her grandson as she requested (even exorcising her so that she can't stop him; bearing in mind that his family is rich as hell and he doesn't even need it), blackmails aforementioned girl into coming over to his house every week by threatening to [[spoiler:exorcise aforementioned ghost again so that he can have her to himself]], forcefully kisses her and almost stops her from leaving, steals her hairclip for the express use of provoking [[spoiler:the guy she loves by insinuating that he slept with her]], goads a recently deceased and impressionable ghost into almost drowning his brother (who survived the accident that killed him) out of jealousy, plans to go back in time in order to prevent [[spoiler:aforementioned girl and ghost, who are deeply in love, from ever meeting so that he can have her to himself]] and backing her into a moral corner so that she can't fight him on it, and thereby plans to make her forget he ever existed and have said girl to himself.

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* CompleteMonster: Paul can border this for some readers. Here's a list of some of the things he does: allows his little brother to believe that he's a freak and allow him to become more and more introverted by not explaining the reason that he sees dead people, manipulates a girl into a courtesy date just so that he can [[spoiler:exorcise a perfectly harmless ghost without her interference]], and gets his little brother to do it under the impression that he's doing something nice for the girl who helped him to overcome his fear and act like a normal kid for once in his life, seals steals money from a dead woman and refuses to return it to her grandson as she requested (even exorcising her so that she can't stop him; bearing in mind that his family is rich as hell and he doesn't even need it), the cash- hell, it's ''lunch money'' to him), blackmails aforementioned girl into coming over to his house every week by threatening to [[spoiler:exorcise aforementioned ghost again so that he can have her to himself]], forcefully kisses her and almost stops her from leaving, steals her hairclip for the express use of provoking [[spoiler:the guy she loves by insinuating that he slept with her]], goads a recently deceased and impressionable ghost into almost drowning his brother (who survived the accident that killed him) out of jealousy, plans to go back in time in order to prevent [[spoiler:aforementioned girl and ghost, who are deeply in love, from ever meeting so that he can have her to himself]] and backing her into a moral corner so that she can't fight him on it, and thereby plans to make her forget he ever existed and have said girl to himself.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Paul Slater- was he really a JerkAss who eventually learned that things do not always happen the way he wants them and became a better person because of it, or was he just a {{Woobie}} in need of a hug the whole time?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Paul Slater- Slater is a pretty complex character. Opinion varies between fans: was he really truly a callous, uncaring JerkAss rich teen who eventually learned to accept that things do not always happen the way go exactly how he wants them them, and became that he is not invincible or a god or better than anyone else because of his gifts, becoming a better person because of it, it- or was he really just a {{Woobie}} WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, neglected by his parents, isolated and in need of a hug true and honest friend who just likes him for being him the whole time?
* CompleteMonster: Paul can border this for some readers. Here's a list of some of the things he does: allows his little brother to believe that he's a freak and allow him to become more and more introverted by not explaining the reason that he sees dead people, manipulates a girl into a courtesy date just so that he can [[spoiler:exorcise a perfectly harmless ghost without her interference]], and gets his little brother to do it under the impression that he's doing something nice for the girl who helped him to overcome his fear and act like a normal kid for once in his life, seals money from a dead woman and refuses to return it to her grandson as she requested (even exorcising her so that she can't stop him; bearing in mind that his family is rich as hell and he doesn't even need it), blackmails aforementioned girl into coming over to his house every week by threatening to [[spoiler:exorcise aforementioned ghost again so that he can have her to himself]], forcefully kisses her and almost stops her from leaving, steals her hairclip for the express use of provoking [[spoiler:the guy she loves by insinuating that he slept with her]], goads a recently deceased and impressionable ghost into almost drowning his brother (who survived the accident that killed him) out of jealousy, plans to go back in time in order to prevent [[spoiler:aforementioned girl and ghost, who are deeply in love, from ever meeting so that he can have her to himself]] and backing her into a moral corner so that she can't fight him on it, and thereby plans to make her forget he ever existed and have said girl to himself.
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Are Suze's parents really as oblivious as they seem? And why don't they seem to care that she spends more time than usual with the principal?
* In real life Father Dom likely would have been MistakenForPedophile a long time ago. I'm surpised her parents have never questioned the fact that the principal calls her at home and meets with her during school hours. When he comes over to their house, she throws herself at him and starts sobbing into his shirt. And her parents never say boo.


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Are * AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Paul Slater- was he really a JerkAss who eventually learned that things do not always happen the way he wants them and became a better person because of it, or was he just a {{Woobie}} in need of a hug the whole time?

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Suze's parents really as oblivious as they seem? And why don't they seem to care that she spends more time than usual with the principal?
* ** In real life Father Dom likely would have been MistakenForPedophile a long time ago. I'm surpised her parents have never questioned the fact that the principal calls her at home and meets with her during school hours. When he comes over to their house, she throws herself at him and starts sobbing into his shirt. And her parents never say boo.

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* I feel like in real life Father Dom would have been MistakenForPedophile a long time ago. I'm surpised her parents have never questioned the fact that the principal calls her at home and meets with her during school hours. When he comes over to their house, she throws herself at him and starts sobbing into his shirt. And her parents never say boo.


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* I feel like in In real life Father Dom likely would have been MistakenForPedophile a long time ago. I'm surpised her parents have never questioned the fact that the principal calls her at home and meets with her during school hours. When he comes over to their house, she throws herself at him and starts sobbing into his shirt. And her parents never say boo.

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Are Suze's parents really as oblivious as they seem? And why don't they seem to care that she spends more time than usual with the principal?

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Are Suze's parents really as oblivious as they seem? And why don't they seem to care that she spends more time than usual with the principal?principal?
*I feel like in real life Father Dom would have been MistakenForPedophile a long time ago. I'm surpised her parents have never questioned the fact that the principal calls her at home and meets with her during school hours. When he comes over to their house, she throws herself at him and starts sobbing into his shirt. And her parents never say boo.

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Are Suze's parents really as oblivious as they seem? And why don't they seem to care that she spends more time than usual with the principal?

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