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*TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: An alternate universe where only one person can lie makes for a very interesting premise and some thought that too much screentime was wasted on the love triangle and the anti-religion angle.
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* AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that motivates people to be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion by saying that even if God doesn't exist, the idea of a higher power is enough to make people behave themselves and avoid doing bad things. [[HumansAreBastards People can only be good]] if [[HobbesWasRight they are forced to by a higher power]] and a comforting lie is more important than an awful truth. With or without religion, humanity will always be flawed as shown by the couple's argument about who will get the better mansion in the afterlife.
** Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based purely on the value of their genetics, bluntly told people who were dying that there's no afterlife and they will be reduced to nothingness, and people were so callously honest with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat.
** Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based purely on the value of their genetics, bluntly told people who were dying that there's no afterlife and they will be reduced to nothingness, and people were so callously honest with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat.
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* AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that motivates people to be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion by saying that even if God doesn't exist, the idea of a higher power is enough to make people behave themselves and avoid doing bad things. [[HumansAreBastards People can only be good]] if [[HobbesWasRight they are forced to by a higher power]] and a comforting lie is more important than an awful truth. With or without religion, humanity humans are flawed and will always find an excuse to be flawed as shown by the couple's argument about who will get the better mansion in the afterlife.
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** Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based purely on the value of their genetics, bluntly told people who were dying that there's no afterlife and they will be reduced to nothingness, and people wereso callously honest cold, distant, and lacked empathy to the point where they insult people with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat. utmost candidness.
** Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based purely on the value of their genetics, bluntly told people who were dying that there's no afterlife and they will be reduced to nothingness, and people were
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* AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that motivates people to be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion by saying that even if God doesn't exist, the idea of a higher power is enough to make people better themselves. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based purely on the value of their genetics, bluntly told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were so callously honest with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person who used his ability to lie for good reasons, and Mark became so successful in creating a religion that he was envied by his rival, Brad. Either that or you start your own cult or religion because it might become the next dominant faith.
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* AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that motivates people to be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion by saying that even if God doesn't exist, the idea of a higher power is enough to make people behave themselves and avoid doing bad things. [[HumansAreBastards People can only be good]] if [[HobbesWasRight they are forced to by a higher power]] and a comforting lie is more important than an awful truth. With or without religion, humanity will always be flawed as shown by the couple's argument about who will get the better themselves. mansion in the afterlife.
** Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based purely on the value of their genetics, bluntly told people who were dying that there's noafterlife, afterlife and they will be reduced to nothingness, and people were so callously honest with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat. fat.
** By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that hewas a always had good person who used intentions with his ability to lie for good reasons, abilities, and Mark became so successful in creating a religion that he was envied by his rival, Brad. Either that or you start your own cult or religion because it might become the next dominant faith.Brad.
** Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based purely on the value of their genetics, bluntly told people who were dying that there's no
** By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he
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* AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that motivates people to be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion by saying that even if God doesn't exist, the idea of a higher power is enough to make people better themselves. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based on the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were so callously honest with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, Mark became successful in creating a religion and was envied by his rival, Brad. The belief in God is what convinces Anna to leave Brad at the altar for Mark. If anything, the movie says that while religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religious communities help people find solace and happiness. Either that or you start your own cult or religion because it might become the next dominant faith.
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* AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that motivates people to be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion by saying that even if God doesn't exist, the idea of a higher power is enough to make people better themselves. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based purely on the value of their genetics, bluntly told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were so callously honest with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, person who used his ability to lie for good reasons, and Mark became so successful in creating a religion and that he was envied by his rival, Brad. The belief in God is what convinces Anna to leave Brad at the altar for Mark. If anything, the movie says that while religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religious communities help people find solace and happiness.Brad. Either that or you start your own cult or religion because it might become the next dominant faith.
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* AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that motivates people to be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion and saying it can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based on the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were so callously honest with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, Mark became successful for creating a religion, was envied by his rival, Brad, and the belief in God is what convinces Anna to leave Brad at the alter for Mark. If anything, the movie says that while religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religious communities help people find solace and happiness.
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* AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that motivates people to be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion and by saying it can that even if God doesn't exist, the idea of a higher power is enough to make a person's life better.people better themselves. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based on the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were so callously honest with each other that the main character had massive self-esteem issues about being fat. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, Mark became successful for in creating a religion, religion and was envied by his rival, Brad, and the Brad. The belief in God is what convinces Anna to leave Brad at the alter altar for Mark. If anything, the movie says that while religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religious communities help people find solace and happiness. Either that or you start your own cult or religion because it might become the next dominant faith.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based on the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were callously honest with each other to a point where the main character had massive self-esteem issues. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, religion made Mark successful, the brutally honest Brad envied Mark for better than him and it made Anna lose romantic interest in him, churches are created and it created jobs in turn, and it's the uncertainty of God's existence that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not because it was a marriage of convenience. If anything, the movie says that religion can help people better themselves and find comfort, fulfillment, happiness, and even purpose. It also shows that while God may not exist and religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religious communities help people find solace, the illusion of comfort and meaning is certainly better than implacable nihilism and unrelenting indifference that everyone has to deal with in their day to day lives.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: AccidentalAesop: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want that motivates people to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. be selfish. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion it can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based on the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were so callously honest with each other to a point where that the main character had massive self-esteem issues. issues about being fat. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, religion made Mark successful, the brutally honest Brad became successful for creating a religion, was envied Mark for better than him by his rival, Brad, and it made the belief in God is what convinces Anna lose romantic interest in him, churches are created and it created jobs in turn, and it's to leave Brad at the uncertainty of God's existence that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not because it was a marriage of convenience. alter for Mark. If anything, the movie says that religion can help people better themselves and find comfort, fulfillment, happiness, and even purpose. It also shows that while God may not exist and religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religious communities help people find solace, the illusion of comfort solace and meaning is certainly better than implacable nihilism and unrelenting indifference that everyone has to deal with in their day to day lives.happiness.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based on the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were callously honest with each other to a point where the main character had massive self-esteem issues. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, religion made Mark successful, the brutally honest Brad envied Mark for better than him and it made Anna lose romantic interest in him, churches are created and it created jobs in turn, and it's the uncertainty of God's existence that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not because it was a marriage of convenience. If anything, the movie says that religion can help people better themselves and find comfort, fulfillment, happiness, and even purpose. It also shows that while God may not exist and religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religious communities helps people find solace in a world of brutal honesty and cruel indifference.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, had loveless marriages that were based on the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were callously honest with each other to a point where the main character had massive self-esteem issues. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, religion made Mark successful, the brutally honest Brad envied Mark for better than him and it made Anna lose romantic interest in him, churches are created and it created jobs in turn, and it's the uncertainty of God's existence that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not because it was a marriage of convenience. If anything, the movie says that religion can help people better themselves and find comfort, fulfillment, happiness, and even purpose. It also shows that while God may not exist and religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religious communities helps help people find solace in a world solace, the illusion of brutal honesty comfort and cruel indifference. meaning is certainly better than implacable nihilism and unrelenting indifference that everyone has to deal with in their day to day lives.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, only married each other over the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were callously honest with each other to a point where the main character had massive self-esteem issues. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, inventing religion made him successful, the brutally honest Brad envied Mark for better than him and it made Anna lose romantic interest in him, churches are created and it creates jobs, and it's the uncertainty of religion that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not for genetic purity. If anything, the movie says that religion can help people better themselves and find comfort, fulfillment, happiness, and even purpose. It also shows that while God may not exist and religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religion helps people find solace in a world of brutal honesty and cruel indifference.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, only married each other over had loveless marriages that were based on the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were callously honest with each other to a point where the main character had massive self-esteem issues. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, inventing religion made him Mark successful, the brutally honest Brad envied Mark for better than him and it made Anna lose romantic interest in him, churches are created and it creates jobs, created jobs in turn, and it's the uncertainty of religion God's existence that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not for genetic purity.because it was a marriage of convenience. If anything, the movie says that religion can help people better themselves and find comfort, fulfillment, happiness, and even purpose. It also shows that while God may not exist and religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religion religious communities helps people find solace in a world of brutal honesty and cruel indifference.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, only married each other over the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were callously honest with each other to a point where the main character had massive self-esteem issues. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, inventing religion made him successful, the brutally honest Brad envied Mark for better than him and it made Anna lose romantic interest in him, and it's the uncertainty of religion that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not for genetic purity. If anything, the movie says that religion is a humanizing trait and people would rather believe in something that comforts them than face the reality that they live in a society that endlessly insults them and puts them down out of raw honesty.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Nearly half the film is driven by the point that religion is just a massive lie to make people feel better about themselves. There is also the message that you shouldn't judge a person based off of their looks, with Anna refusing any kind of relationship with Mark for his physical traits, then coming to care about Mark for his kindness, in contrast to Brad who for all his good looks is an arrogant, shallow jerk.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Nearly half the film is driven by the point that religion is just a massive lie to make people feel better about themselves. There is also the message that you shouldn't judge a person based off of their looks, with Anna refusing any kind of relationship with Mark for his physical traits, then coming to care about Mark for his kindness, in contrast to Brad who for all his good looks is an arrogant, shallow jerk.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, only married each other over the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were callously honest with each other to a point where the main character had massive self-esteem issues. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, inventing religion made him successful, the brutally honest Brad envied Mark for better than him and it made Anna lose romantic interest in him, churches are created and it creates jobs, and it's the uncertainty of religion that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not for genetic purity. If anything, the movie says that religion is a humanizing trait and can help people would rather believe in something better themselves and find comfort, fulfillment, happiness, and even purpose. It also shows that comforts them than face the reality that they live while God may not exist and religion may be built on a foundation of lies, religion helps people find solace in a society that endlessly insults them world of brutal honesty and puts them down out of raw honesty.
cruel indifference.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Nearly half the film is driven by the point that religion is just a massive lie to make people feel better about themselves. There is also the message that you shouldn't judge a person basedoff of on their looks, with Anna refusing any kind of relationship with Mark for his physical traits, then coming to care about Mark for his kindness, in contrast to Brad who for all his good looks is an arrogant, shallow jerk.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Nearly half the film is driven by the point that religion is just a massive lie to make people feel better about themselves. There is also the message that you shouldn't judge a person based
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Nearly half the film is driving in that religion is all lies. There is also the message that you shouldn't judge a person based off their looks, with Anna refusing any kind of relationship with Mark for his physical trais, then coming to care about Mark for his kindness, in contrast to Brad who for all his good looks is an arrogant, shallow jerk.
* FridgeLogic: The film's execution of the premise invites various questions about how this world works. The most commonly cited example is that while people aren't familiar with lying, they evidently are with mistakes, but the idea that Mark couldn't just be mistaken never seems to cross anybody's mind.
* FridgeLogic: The film's execution of the premise invites various questions about how this world works. The most commonly cited example is that while people aren't familiar with lying, they evidently are with mistakes, but the idea that Mark couldn't just be mistaken never seems to cross anybody's mind.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Although the movie repeatedly bashes in the lesson that religion is a lie that's been blown out of proportion by jerks who just want to feel better about themselves without making any meaningful changes. You can make the argument that the movie is accidentally supporting religion instead of insulting it and saying religion can make a person's life better. Before Mark invented lying: people were going to let a suicidal man kill himself, only married each other over the value of their genetics, told people who were dying that there's no afterlife, and people were callously honest with each other to a point where the main character had massive self-esteem issues. By inventing religion; Mark's mother dies with the comfort that she's going to a better place, Anna falls in love with Mark because his invention of religion showed that he was a good person, inventing religion made him successful, the brutally honest Brad envied Mark for better than him and it made Anna lose romantic interest in him, and it's the uncertainty of religion that makes Anna marry Mark out of love and not for genetic purity. If anything, the movie says that religion is a humanizing trait and people would rather believe in something that comforts them than face the reality that they live in a society that endlessly insults them and puts them down out of raw honesty.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Nearly half the film isdriving in driven by the point that religion is all lies. just a massive lie to make people feel better about themselves. There is also the message that you shouldn't judge a person based off of their looks, with Anna refusing any kind of relationship with Mark for his physical trais, traits, then coming to care about Mark for his kindness, in contrast to Brad who for all his good looks is an arrogant, shallow jerk.
* FridgeLogic: The film's execution of the premise invites various questions about how this world works. The most commonly cited example is that while people aren't familiar with lying, theyevidently are with mistakes, but the idea that Mark couldn't just be mistaken never seems to cross anybody's mind.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Nearly half the film is
* FridgeLogic: The film's execution of the premise invites various questions about how this world works. The most commonly cited example is that while people aren't familiar with lying, they
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* UnfortunateImplications: This Bad Romance [[https://podcastaddict.com/episode/107731471 podcast]] has Jourdain and Kyle bring up that the film's premise of taking place in a world where no one has lied before results in rather unpleasant insinuations, such as being honest about who you want to be with equates being pro-eugenics and that convincing a suicidal person that life is worth living is a fabrication.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Religion is '''LIES!!!''' A clever idea maybe but there are people who found devoting nearly all of the entire second half of the film to playing around with the concept to be very heavy handed. The promotional material marketed it like a soft comedy/drama about the hilarious hijinks one could come up with with a world without lies... only to realize that it's actually a commentary about how religion is dishonest?!
** Mitigated by the fact that these lies were initiated by the protagonist, and with good intentions.
** Given that Ricky Gervais, (who wrote the movie) is an atheist, this was probably the whole point. How you feel about religion sort of determines the message - is it a good result that came from a lie, or does it not matter that the result is good since it came from a lie? [[TakeAThirdOption Or is it not a lie at all?]]
** The movie also seems to really drive home the message that you shouldn't judge a person based off their looks and their is more to them then that. Anna constantly refuses to have a relationship with Mark at first because of how he looks. However she starts to realize she cares more about him and sees other things to him such as his personality and kindness. In contrast to Brad who despite his good looks is a arrogant, shallow jerk and doesn't really seem to care about her and only is interested in him because he is good looking. In the end Anna ultimately picks Mark over Brad.
* FridgeLogic: The film's execution of the premise, even discounting how history appears to be unchanged, has all kinds of this, the most commonly cited example being that while people aren't familiar with lying, but they evidently are with mistakes, but the idea that, if there's ever a contradiction between people's senses or memories and what Mark says, that Mark couldn't just be mistaken, never seems to cross anybody's mind.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The second half of the film focusing heavily on deconstructing religion and love is seen by some as a waste of the premise.
** It often comes off less like this is a world where no one lies, than a world where everyone is a complete {{Jerkass}}. Apparently not only can people not lie, they ''must'' say whatever comes to mind. There's seemingly no one whose honesty manifests in the form of empathy or compassion.
** Generally, the fact that everybody seems to automatically believe Mark's words, even when there's evidence to the contrary, makes this play more like a movie about a man with generic mind control powers.
** Mitigated by the fact that these lies were initiated by the protagonist, and with good intentions.
** Given that Ricky Gervais, (who wrote the movie) is an atheist, this was probably the whole point. How you feel about religion sort of determines the message - is it a good result that came from a lie, or does it not matter that the result is good since it came from a lie? [[TakeAThirdOption Or is it not a lie at all?]]
** The movie also seems to really drive home the message that you shouldn't judge a person based off their looks and their is more to them then that. Anna constantly refuses to have a relationship with Mark at first because of how he looks. However she starts to realize she cares more about him and sees other things to him such as his personality and kindness. In contrast to Brad who despite his good looks is a arrogant, shallow jerk and doesn't really seem to care about her and only is interested in him because he is good looking. In the end Anna ultimately picks Mark over Brad.
* FridgeLogic: The film's execution of the premise, even discounting how history appears to be unchanged, has all kinds of this, the most commonly cited example being that while people aren't familiar with lying, but they evidently are with mistakes, but the idea that, if there's ever a contradiction between people's senses or memories and what Mark says, that Mark couldn't just be mistaken, never seems to cross anybody's mind.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The second half of the film focusing heavily on deconstructing religion and love is seen by some as a waste of the premise.
** It often comes off less like this is a world where no one lies, than a world where everyone is a complete {{Jerkass}}. Apparently not only can people not lie, they ''must'' say whatever comes to mind. There's seemingly no one whose honesty manifests in the form of empathy or compassion.
** Generally, the fact that everybody seems to automatically believe Mark's words, even when there's evidence to the contrary, makes this play more like a movie about a man with generic mind control powers.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Religion is '''LIES!!!''' A clever idea maybe but there are people who found devoting nearly all of the entire second Nearly half of the film to playing around with the concept to be very heavy handed. The promotional material marketed it like a soft comedy/drama about the hilarious hijinks one could come up with with a world without lies... only to realize is driving in that it's actually a commentary about how religion is dishonest?!
** Mitigated by the fact that these lies were initiated by the protagonist, and with good intentions.
** Given that Ricky Gervais, (who wrote the movie)all lies. There is an atheist, this was probably the whole point. How you feel about religion sort of determines the message - is it a good result that came from a lie, or does it not matter that the result is good since it came from a lie? [[TakeAThirdOption Or is it not a lie at all?]]
** The moviealso seems to really drive home the message that you shouldn't judge a person based off their looks and their is more to them then that. looks, with Anna constantly refuses to have a refusing any kind of relationship with Mark at first because of how he looks. However she starts for his physical trais, then coming to realize she cares more care about him and sees other things to him such as Mark for his personality and kindness. In kindness, in contrast to Brad who despite for all his good looks is a an arrogant, shallow jerk and doesn't really seem to care about her and only is interested in him because he is good looking. In the end Anna ultimately picks Mark over Brad.
jerk.
* FridgeLogic: The film's execution of thepremise, even discounting premise invites various questions about how history appears to be unchanged, has all kinds of this, the this world works. The most commonly cited example being is that while people aren't familiar with lying, but they evidently are with mistakes, but the idea that, if there's ever a contradiction between people's senses or memories and what Mark says, that Mark couldn't just be mistaken, mistaken never seems to cross anybody's mind.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The second half of the film focusing heavily on deconstructing religion and love is seen by some as a waste of the premise.
** It often comes off less like this is a world where no one lies, than a world where everyone is a complete {{Jerkass}}. Apparently not only can people not lie, they ''must'' say whatever comes to mind. There's seemingly no one whose honesty manifests in the form of empathy or compassion.
** Generally, the fact that everybody seems to automatically believe Mark's words, even when there's evidence to the contrary, makes this play more like a movie about a man with generic mind control powers.mind.
** Mitigated by the fact that these lies were initiated by the protagonist, and with good intentions.
** Given that Ricky Gervais, (who wrote the movie)
** The movie
* FridgeLogic: The film's execution of the
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The second half of the film focusing heavily on deconstructing religion and love is seen by some as a waste of the premise.
** It often comes off less like this is a world where no one lies, than a world where everyone is a complete {{Jerkass}}. Apparently not only can people not lie, they ''must'' say whatever comes to mind. There's seemingly no one whose honesty manifests in the form of empathy or compassion.
** Generally, the fact that everybody seems to automatically believe Mark's words, even when there's evidence to the contrary, makes this play more like a movie about a man with generic mind control powers.
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* DoubleStandard: Anna is portrayed as shallow for not wanting to be with Mark due to looks alone. Granted, she is, but Mark is never portrayed as shallow for wanting to be with Anna due to her good looks. He says it’s also due to her kindness and friendship, but considering that [[InformedKindness we never see her act in any particularly sensitive way]], there seems to be an implication that this is insincere on his part and that basing attraction on looks is only okay when Mark does it.
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* WhatAnIdiot: In a world where deception is impossible, being a career criminal is possibly the dumbest thing anyone can be, never mind committing a crime of any kind. We get an example of how utterly stupid this can be with Mark's father.
** Except, you know, Mark was probably ''lying about that'', since he'd just discovered the advantages of doing so. The idiocy of being a criminal in such a world is what makes the anecdote about his dad so surreally humorous.
** Except, you know, Mark was probably ''lying about that'', since he'd just discovered the advantages of doing so. The idiocy of being a criminal in such a world is what makes the anecdote about his dad so surreally humorous.
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* UnfortunateImplications: This Bad Romance [[http://badromance.libsyn.com/episode-56-the-invention-of-lying podcast]] has Jourdain and Kyle bring up that the film's premise of taking place in a world where no one has lied before results in rather unpleasant insinuations, such as being honest about who you want to be with equates being pro-eugenics and that convincing a suicidal person that life is worth living is a fabrication.
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* UnfortunateImplications: This Bad Romance [[http://badromance.libsyn.com/episode-56-the-invention-of-lying [[https://podcastaddict.com/episode/107731471 podcast]] has Jourdain and Kyle bring up that the film's premise of taking place in a world where no one has lied before results in rather unpleasant insinuations, such as being honest about who you want to be with equates being pro-eugenics and that convincing a suicidal person that life is worth living is a fabrication.
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* ValuesDissonance: Mark uses his lying power to trick an otherwise uninterested woman into having sex with him, lest the world come to an end. By 2009 standards this was seen as a harmless gag, but today it’s clear Mark is committing rape by deception. Although, to be fair, Mark does realize he can't build a relationship this way.
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* ValuesDissonance: Mark uses his lying power to trick an otherwise uninterested woman into having sex with him, lest the world come to an end. By 2009 standards this was seen as a harmless gag, but today it’s clear Mark is committing rape by deception.
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* ValuesDissonance: Mark uses his lying power to trick an otherwise uninterested woman into having sex with him, lest the world come to an end. By 2009 standards this was seen as a harmless gag, but today it’s clear Mark is committing rape by deception. Although, to be fair, Mark does realize he can't build a relationship this way.
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* DoubleStandard: Anna is portrayed as shallow for not wanting to be with Mark due to looks alone. Granted, she is, but Mark is never portrayed as shallow for wanting to be with Anna due to her good looks. He says it’s also due to her kindness and friendship, but considering that [[InformedKindness we never see her act in any particularly sensitive way]], there seems to an implication that basing attraction on looks is only okay when Mark does it.
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* DoubleStandard: Anna is portrayed as shallow for not wanting to be with Mark due to looks alone. Granted, she is, but Mark is never portrayed as shallow for wanting to be with Anna due to her good looks. He says it’s also due to her kindness and friendship, but considering that [[InformedKindness we never see her act in any particularly sensitive way]], there seems to be an implication that this is insincere on his part and that basing attraction on looks is only okay when Mark does it.
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* DoubleStandard: Vanessa is portrayed as shallow for not wanting to be with Mark due to looks alone. Granted, she is, but Mark is never portrayed as shallow for wanting to be with Vanessa due to her good looks. He says it’s also due to her kindness and friendship, but considering that [[InformedKindness we never see her act in any particularly sensitive way]], there seems to an implication that basing attraction on looks is only okay when Mark does it.
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* DoubleStandard: Vanessa Anna is portrayed as shallow for not wanting to be with Mark due to looks alone. Granted, she is, but Mark is never portrayed as shallow for wanting to be with Vanessa Anna due to her good looks. He says it’s also due to her kindness and friendship, but considering that [[InformedKindness we never see her act in any particularly sensitive way]], there seems to an implication that basing attraction on looks is only okay when Mark does it.
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*DoubleStandard: Vanessa is portrayed as shallow for not wanting to be with Mark due to looks alone. Granted, she is, but Mark is never portrayed as shallow for wanting to be with Vanessa due to her good looks. He says it’s also due to her kindness and friendship, but considering that [[InformedKindness we never see her act in any particularly sensitive way]], there seems to an implication that basing attraction on looks is only okay when Mark does it.
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* ValuesDissonance: Mark uses his lying power to trick an otherwise uninterested women into having sex with him, lest the world come to an end. By 2009 standards this was seen as a harmless gag, but today it’s clear Mark is committing rape by deception.
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* ValuesDissonance: Mark uses his lying power to trick an otherwise uninterested women woman into having sex with him, lest the world come to an end. By 2009 standards this was seen as a harmless gag, but today it’s clear Mark is committing rape by deception.
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