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** Prehistoric humans being an intergalactic superpower that challenged the Forerunners and Flood has come under fire. And for good reason. It [[comes out of nowhere AssPull]] and overrides Bungie’s vision that mankind is the Forerunners’ descendants, not their successors, [[on top of raising hundreds of questions VoodooShark]].
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** Prehistoric humans being an intergalactic superpower that challenged the Forerunners and Flood has come under fire. And for good reason. It [[comes [[AssPull comes out of nowhere AssPull]] nowhere]] and overrides Bungie’s vision that mankind is the Forerunners’ descendants, not their successors, [[on [[VoodooShark on top of raising hundreds of questions VoodooShark]].questions]].
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*FanDislikedExplanation: One should exercise caution when mentioning Greg Bear’s Forerunner Saga novels among Bungie fans, as it contains several notions that have created much controversy.
**The origins of the Flood as a Precursor bioweapon created from their mummified remains in revenge for the Forerunner’s genocide has been criticised for being absurdly convoluted and making the Flood much less terrifying by stripping them of their mystery.
**Prehistoric humans being an intergalactic superpower that challenged the Forerunners and Flood has come under fire. And for good reason. It [[comes out of nowhere AssPull]] and overrides Bungie’s vision that mankind is the Forerunners’ descendants, not their successors, [[on top of raising hundreds of questions VoodooShark]].
**Many have shunned the trilogy’s portrayal of the Forerunners as a corrupt, hypocritical and oppressive species who would annihilate or devolve anyone who opposed them for contradicting Bungie’s earlier vision of them being benevolent and ethical and serving as a source of TooBleakStoppedCaring thanks to a ForegoneConclusion.
**The origins of the Flood as a Precursor bioweapon created from their mummified remains in revenge for the Forerunner’s genocide has been criticised for being absurdly convoluted and making the Flood much less terrifying by stripping them of their mystery.
**Prehistoric humans being an intergalactic superpower that challenged the Forerunners and Flood has come under fire. And for good reason. It [[comes out of nowhere AssPull]] and overrides Bungie’s vision that mankind is the Forerunners’ descendants, not their successors, [[on top of raising hundreds of questions VoodooShark]].
**Many have shunned the trilogy’s portrayal of the Forerunners as a corrupt, hypocritical and oppressive species who would annihilate or devolve anyone who opposed them for contradicting Bungie’s earlier vision of them being benevolent and ethical and serving as a source of TooBleakStoppedCaring thanks to a ForegoneConclusion.
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* MisBlamed: ''The Forerunner Saga'' is often pointed to as the 343 Industries canon source that changed Forerunners [[AdvancedAncientHumans from ancient advanced humans]] to a separate species. The Forerunners and humans being separate species was actually established in the terminals of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 3}}'', by {{Creator/Bungie}} themselves.
** Actually the terminals never outright stated they were seperate species only continued the option of it being true which was actually opened up originally in the IRIS campaign prior to Halo 3's release which gave out the possibility of the two species being seperate but at the same time possibly still being the same species. IRIS, the Halo: Crade of Life comic and the Halo 3 gave evidence for both possibilities while never outright confirming either one (the Forerunners were never seen or physically described in any way in these instances leaving it impossible to prove either way). Even the semi-canon visuals of Halo: Legends Origins Part 1 Episode never showed the Forerunners physical features outside their armor. The first piece of canon media to outright confirm the two were seperate species was the short story Soma the Painter from Halo: Evolutions which came out a few years after Halo 3 and which actually gave some physical description of a Forerunner such as them having fur on their bodies (decidedly non-human features) with the Forerunner Saga further only expanding on their physical appearance from beyond their description in Soma the Painter.
** Another common complaint is that the series turns the Forerunners and Flood into hyper-advanced species with mindbogglingly-advanced technology. Ignoring the fact that the first thing we've seen in the ''series'' is the ten-thousand kilometer-wide artificial world with a weapon designed to destroy all life in the galaxy, and the Flood are so terrible that such a weapon is needed to defeat them....
** Actually the terminals never outright stated they were seperate species only continued the option of it being true which was actually opened up originally in the IRIS campaign prior to Halo 3's release which gave out the possibility of the two species being seperate but at the same time possibly still being the same species. IRIS, the Halo: Crade of Life comic and the Halo 3 gave evidence for both possibilities while never outright confirming either one (the Forerunners were never seen or physically described in any way in these instances leaving it impossible to prove either way). Even the semi-canon visuals of Halo: Legends Origins Part 1 Episode never showed the Forerunners physical features outside their armor. The first piece of canon media to outright confirm the two were seperate species was the short story Soma the Painter from Halo: Evolutions which came out a few years after Halo 3 and which actually gave some physical description of a Forerunner such as them having fur on their bodies (decidedly non-human features) with the Forerunner Saga further only expanding on their physical appearance from beyond their description in Soma the Painter.
** Another common complaint is that the series turns the Forerunners and Flood into hyper-advanced species with mindbogglingly-advanced technology. Ignoring the fact that the first thing we've seen in the ''series'' is the ten-thousand kilometer-wide artificial world with a weapon designed to destroy all life in the galaxy, and the Flood are so terrible that such a weapon is needed to defeat them....
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** Actually the terminals never outright stated they were seperate species only continued the option of it being true which was actually opened up originally in the IRIS campaign prior to Halo 3's release which gave out the possibility of the two species being seperate but at the same time possibly still being the same species. IRIS, the Halo: Crade of Life comic and the Halo 3 gave evidence for both possibilities while never outright confirming either one (the Forerunners were never seen or physically described in any way in these instances leaving it impossible to prove either way). Even the semi-canon visuals of Halo: Legends Origins Part 1 Episode never showed the Forerunners physical features outside their armor. The first piece of canon media to outright confirm the two were seperate species was the short story Soma the Painter from Halo: Evolutions which came out a few years after Halo 3 and which actually gave some physical description of a Forerunner such as them having fur on their bodies (decidedly non-human features) with the Forerunner Saga further only expanding on their physical appearance from beyond their description in Soma the Painter.
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** 343 Guilty Spark was once a Hamanune human that got transformed into a Forerunner Monitor.
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** 343 Guilty Spark was once a Hamanune human that got transformed into a Forerunner Monitor.Monitor and survived the events of ''VideoGame/Halo3''.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Master Builder crosses it when [[spoiler: he uses a Halo to punish the San 'Shyuum for rebelling]]. Even his closest allies thought he crossed it.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Master Builder crosses it when [[spoiler: he uses a Halo to punish the San 'Shyuum for rebelling]]. Even his closest allies thought he crossed it.it.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A common criticism of the first two books is that they focus on mostly insignificant events while the genuinely interesting parts are reduced to either exposition dumps or a OffscreenMomentOfAwesome.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A common criticism of the first two books is that they focus on mostly insignificant events while the genuinely interesting parts are reduced to either exposition dumps or a OffscreenMomentOfAwesome.
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* ItWasHisSled:
** Ancient Humanity and the San'Shyuum once had expansive interstellar empires that rivalled the Forerunners in power.
** 343 Guilty Spark was once a Hamanune human that got transformed into a Forerunner Monitor.
** There are two Didacts.
** The Flood are Precursors that transmuted themselves into a powdery bioweapon to wipe out the Forerunners in revenge.
** Ancient Humanity and the San'Shyuum once had expansive interstellar empires that rivalled the Forerunners in power.
** 343 Guilty Spark was once a Hamanune human that got transformed into a Forerunner Monitor.
** There are two Didacts.
** The Flood are Precursors that transmuted themselves into a powdery bioweapon to wipe out the Forerunners in revenge.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Master Builder crosses it when [[spoiler: he uses a Halo to punish the San 'Shyuum for rebelling]]. Even his closest allies thought he crossed it.
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** Another common complaint is that the series turns the Forerunners and Flood into hyper-advanced species with mindbogglingly-advanced technology. Ignoring the fact that the first thing we've seen in the ''series'' is the ten-thousand kilometer-wide artificial world with a weapon designed to destroy all life in the galaxy, and the Flood are so terrible that such a weapon is needed to defeat them....
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* MisBlamed: ''The Forerunner Saga'' is often pointed to as the 343 Industries canon source that changed Forerunners [[AdvancedAncientHumans from ancient advanced humans]] to a separate species. The Forerunners and humans being separate species was actually established in the terminals of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 3}}'', by {{Creator/Bungie}} themselves.
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* CharacterDerailment: Species-wide, in fact. The Forerunners have been turned into a race of [[Jerkass jerks]], and the only reason the Flood got as bad as it did in their time is apparently because they destroyed an ancient human empire, which [[MarySuetopia was on a similar technological level with the Forerunners, was better-equipped for taking down the Flood, and only went to war with the Forerunners in the first place due to destroying some of their ships and planets that were infected (and ONLY the infected ones) and running from the Flood into Forerunner territory.]] This is at odds with Iris and the Halo 3 terminals, which imply that the Forerunners were the galaxy's heroic guardians, and that humanity was discovered near the end of the war and promptly deemed awesome enough to merit special treatment [[FridgeBrilliance (which would explain the direct portal to the Ark]] ''[[FridgeBrilliance from Flood space]]'').
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* CharacterDerailment: Species-wide, in fact. The Forerunners have been turned into a race of [[Jerkass jerks]], and the only reason the Flood got as bad as it did in their time is apparently because they destroyed an ancient human empire, which [[MarySuetopia was on a similar technological level with the Forerunners, was better-equipped for taking down the Flood, and only went to war with the Forerunners in the first place due to destroying some of their ships and planets that were infected (and ONLY the infected ones) and running from the Flood into Forerunner territory.]] This is at odds with Iris and the Halo 3 terminals, which imply that the Forerunners were the galaxy's heroic guardians, and that humanity was discovered near the end of the war and promptly deemed awesome enough to merit special treatment [[FridgeBrilliance (which would explain the direct portal to the Ark ''from Flood space'').]]
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* CharacterDerailment: Species-wide, in fact. The Forerunners have been turned into a race of [[Jerkass jerks]], and the only reason the Flood got as bad as it did in their time is apparently because they destroyed an ancient human empire, which [[MarySuetopia was on a similar technological level with the Forerunners, was better-equipped for taking down the Flood, and only went to war with the Forerunners in the first place due to destroying some of their ships and planets that were infected (and ONLY the infected ones) and running from the Flood into Forerunner territory.]] This is at odds with Iris and the Halo 3 terminals, which imply that the Forerunners were the galaxy's heroic guardians, and that humanity was discovered near the end of the war and promptly deemed awesome enough to merit special treatment [[FridgeBrilliance (which would explain the direct portal to the Ark ''from Ark]] ''[[FridgeBrilliance from Flood space'').]]space]]'').
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* CharacterDerailment: Species-wide, in fact. The Forerunners have been turned into a race of [[Jerkass jerks]], and the only reason the Flood got as bad as it did in their time is apparently because they destroyed an ancient human empire, which [[MarySuetopia was on a similar technological level with the Forerunners, was better-equipped for taking down the Flood, and only went to war with the Forerunners in the first place due to destroying some of their ships and planets that were infected (and ONLY the infected ones) and running from the Flood into Forerunner territory.]] This is at odds with Iris and the Halo 3 terminals, which imply that the Forerunners were the galaxy's heroic guardians, and that humanity was discovered near the end of the war and promptly deemed awesome enough to merit special treatment [[FridgeBrilliance (which would explain the direct portal to the Ark ''from Flood space'').]]
