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** Major Dean was criticized for being basically an AssPull needed for the heroes to acquire a weapon against the Rev-9. However, it could have changed completely with just a touch: had the character of Dean been Danny Dyson, the now adult son of Miles Dyson from ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'', his story would have told itself, as he could have believably grown to become a military tech expert with knowledge of Skynet. (In fact, this plot point was partially used in the previous film, ''Film/TerminatorGenisys'', which had its own appearance of an adult Danny, and the planned ''Genisys'' trilogy would have had Danny return in a more significant capacity.)

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** Major Dean was criticized for being basically an AssPull needed for the heroes to acquire a weapon against the Rev-9. However, it this could have changed completely with just a simple touch: had the character of Dean been Danny Dyson, the now adult son of Miles Dyson from ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay'', his story would have told itself, itself nicely, as he could have believably grown to become a military tech expert with knowledge of Skynet. (In fact, this Skynet (a plot point that was partially actually used in the previous film, ''Film/TerminatorGenisys'', which had its own appearance of an adult Danny, Danny and would have featured him further in the planned ''Genisys'' trilogy would have had Danny return in trilogy). The fact that even their names are so similar makes one wonder whether the producers weren't actually considering this idea before they discarded Dyson for a more significant capacity.)SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute.


** For a Spanish-speaking viewer, it is impossible not to notice that Vicente Ramos is actually played by an ''European Spanish'' actor unsuccessfully trying to fake a Mexican accent. The same happens later with Felipe.

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** For a Spanish-speaking viewer, it is impossible not to notice viewers, there's the outlandish fact (though hardly unusual in film industry) that Vicente Ramos is and Felipe are actually played by an ''European Spanish'' actor unsuccessfully actors trying to fake a Mexican accent. The same happens later with Felipe.accents. While the result is decent enough that it might fool people unaccustomed to hear Mexicans and Spaniards around, it can be thoroughly difficult to take seriously by those who know.

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** Another seemingly blindingly obvious story would be to depict John having become a complete alcoholic mess of an adult because the messianic future he was promised never happened. While he knows they “won”, he still would have grown into an adult from a very crazy childhood. They also could have borrowed the “didn’t really believe we were safe” notion from T3. It’s absolutely believable he would be a complete mess, with the major added bonus that a certain actor who grew up a mess after playing John could reprise the role pretty much how they actually are in real life. Dark Fate could still be mostly a reboot, and some decent John material could replace one of the very generic fight scenes (which look somehow worse than T2 anyway) and at least honor T/T2 instead of flippantly killing John in the first five minutes.


* AngstWhatAngst: Dani, due to her acclimatizing to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, especially when you consider that she happily greets her uncle and is shockingly calm while explaining to him that her father and brother (his brother and nephew) died. John, on the other hand generally felt like BeingTheChosenOneSucks and took at least a decade to be the leader of the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.

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* AngstWhatAngst: Dani, due to her acclimatizing to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, especially when you consider that she happily greets her uncle and is shockingly calm while explaining to him that her father and brother (his brother and nephew) died. John, on the other hand generally felt like BeingTheChosenOneSucks ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne and took at least a decade to be the leader of the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.


* AngstWhatAngst: Dani, due to her acclimatizing to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, especially when you consider that she happily greets her uncle and is shockingly calm while explaining to him that her father and brother (his brother and nephew) died. John, on the other hand generally felt like BeingTheChosenOneSucks and took at least a decade to be the leader of the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.



** Some people take Dani as this as well, accusing the film of pandering, due to her acclimatizing to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, especially when you consider that she happily greets her uncle and is apparently calmly explained to him that his brother and nephew are dead, compare with John who, while nobody close to him died, took at least a decade to be the leader of the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.

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** Some people take Dani as this as well, accusing the film of pandering, due to Dani. Her fans found her acclimatizing a sympathetic and likable successor to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, John and especially when you consider that she happily greets enjoyed her uncle and is apparently calmly explained to him that his brother and nephew are dead, compare relationship with John who, while nobody close to him died, took at least a decade Grace. Her detractors found her to be a ReplacementScrappy who just came out of nowhere and hasn't done anything to earn the leader role of being the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.new savior of humanity.



** The film introduces the idea that a terminator which succeeds in its mission is left high and dry to find its own new purpose. This is explored with the character of Carl, but it has more unexplored potential, with there being many possibilites of what a terminator could choose to do without a mission, and could have been used to create a more tangible connection between Skynet and Legion. Perhaps a Terminator, realizing that John and Skynet are gone, decides to create a new AI to take Skynet's place?

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** The film introduces the idea that a terminator Terminator which succeeds in its mission is left high and dry to find its own new purpose. This is explored with the character of Carl, but it has more unexplored potential, with there being many possibilites possibilities of what a terminator Terminator could choose to do without a mission, and could have been used to create a more tangible connection between Skynet and Legion. Perhaps a Terminator, realizing that John and Skynet are gone, decides to create a new AI to take Skynet's place?


* TheDanza: According to supplementary materials, the Rev-9's cover name is Gabriel, the actor portraying it is Creator/GabrielLuna



** After the release of ''Film/Alien3'', James Cameron (who directed ''Film/{{Aliens}}''), was one of the parties who berated the film for its HappyEndingOverride and killing off the characters of Bishop, Newt and Hicks. Then this film is released, written and produced by Cameron, and it [[spoiler:begins with a HappyEndingOverride where John Connor is immediately killed off.]]

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** After the release of ''Film/Alien3'', James Cameron (who directed ''Film/{{Aliens}}''), was one of the parties who berated the film for its HappyEndingOverride and killing off the characters of Bishop, Newt and Hicks. Then this film is released, written and produced by Cameron, and it [[spoiler:begins with a HappyEndingOverride where John Connor is immediately killed off.]] Which Cameron suggested in the first place!]]


* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Rev-9 being able to imitate human behavior most effectively of all the killer robots thus far has split audiences between those who think this makes it the most effective infiltrator [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse in its being unremarkable]] and those who think it removes the UncannyValley factor that made its predecessors disturbing and scary.

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The Rev-9 being able to imitate human behavior most effectively of all the killer robots thus far has split audiences between those who think this makes it the most effective infiltrator [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse in its being unremarkable]] and those who think it removes the UncannyValley factor that made its predecessors disturbing and scary.scary.
** Some people take Dani as this as well, accusing the film of pandering, due to her acclimatizing to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, especially when you consider that she happily greets her uncle and is apparently calmly explained to him that his brother and nephew are dead, compare with John who, while nobody close to him died, took at least a decade to be the leader of the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.
* BrokenBase: The main point of contention surrounding the film can essentially be boiled down to [[spoiler:John Connor's death and the inevitability of a war between humans and machines]]. Either it means the entire franchise (or at least the first two films, depending [[CanonDiscontinuity on who]] [[FanonDiscontinuity you're asking]]) has been AllForNothing and sends a cynical message that [[spoiler:John's only purpose was to destroy Skynet and he had outlived his purpose/life once Skynet was destroyed]] as well as another YouCantFightFate message from ''3'', or it was necessary to depict the message that AsLongAsThereIsEvil, there will always be a hero to combat it.


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* FanonDiscontinuity: Although this trend started as early as ''Film/Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines'', this installment is a particularly notable receiver of this reaction due to a number of plot decisions, among them [[spoiler:killing John without any ceremony, revealing that Sarah's work was AllForNothing and invalidating (again) the Aesop of the two original films.]]


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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: While the film's reception hasn't been universally negative by any stretch, one common point of criticism is that it tends to rehash plot points of previous ''Terminator'' films [[note]]The TerminatorTwosome (plus a BadassNormal of some sort, like Kyle Reese), a female lead destined to birth the hero of the future war, the whole YouCantFightFate message, etc.[[/note]] and is especially derivative of the first two installments.
* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:John Connor dies at the beginning, and Dani Ramos takes his place as the future hero.]] This was almost guaranteed to be this anyway, as this was a very risky path to take the whole franchise through. Many fans ''and'' detractors of the film were very critical of this.


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* {{Narm}}:
** The trailer has one moment where a hammer hits the new Terminator's leg and it makes a very cartoony splat sound.
** Sarah randomly saying [[spoiler:"She's John."]] after the big reveal, as if we somehow couldn't possibly get it without that.
** For a Spanish-speaking viewer, it is impossible not to notice that Vicente Ramos is actually played by an ''European Spanish'' actor unsuccessfully trying to fake a Mexican accent. The same happens later with Felipe.
* NarmCharm: The shot of [[spoiler:Carl and Rev-9 laying down together as the former does a TakingYouWithMe seems less like a sacrifice and more or less two drunken buddies lounging on the floor. But once you look into it some more, as well as Rev-9's NotSoDifferent statement, they are one of a kind, and the shot showcases how they are {{Foil}}s - Carl is the last remnant of Skynet, Rev-9 is the start of Legion.]]


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* ReplacementScrappy: Dani for John Connor for a large part of the fandom. It doesn't help that [[spoiler:John Connor dies at the beginning so she can be the future savior instead]].


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* TaintedByThePreview: Responses to the first trailer were rather varied and far from unanimously enthusiastic, with it garnering 1/5th of dislikes on the film's [=YouTube=] channel.


* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** The Rev-9 being able to imitate human behavior most effectively of all the killer robots thus far has split audiences between those who think this makes it the most effective infiltrator [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse in its being unremarkable]] and those who think it removes the UncannyValley factor that made its predecessors disturbing and scary.
** Some people take Dani as this as well, accusing the film of pandering, due to her acclimatizing to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, especially when you consider that she happily greets her uncle and is apparently calmly explained to him that his brother and nephew are dead, compare with John who, while nobody close to him died, took at least a decade to be the leader of the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.
* BrokenBase: The main point of contention surrounding the film can essentially be boiled down to [[spoiler:John Connor's death and the inevitability of a war between humans and machines]]. Either it means the entire franchise (or at least the first two films, depending [[CanonDiscontinuity on who]] [[FanonDiscontinuity you're asking]]) has been AllForNothing and sends a cynical message that [[spoiler:John's only purpose was to destroy Skynet and he had outlived his purpose/life once Skynet was destroyed]] as well as another YouCantFightFate message from ''3'', or it was necessary to depict the message that AsLongAsThereIsEvil, there will always be a hero to combat it.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
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BaseBreakingCharacter: The Rev-9 being able to imitate human behavior most effectively of all the killer robots thus far has split audiences between those who think this makes it the most effective infiltrator [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse in its being unremarkable]] and those who think it removes the UncannyValley factor that made its predecessors disturbing and scary.
** Some people take Dani as this as well, accusing the film of pandering, due to her acclimatizing to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, especially when you consider that she happily greets her uncle and is apparently calmly explained to him that his brother and nephew are dead, compare with John who, while nobody close to him died, took at least a decade to be the leader of the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.
* BrokenBase: The main point of contention surrounding the film can essentially be boiled down to [[spoiler:John Connor's death and the inevitability of a war between humans and machines]]. Either it means the entire franchise (or at least the first two films, depending [[CanonDiscontinuity on who]] [[FanonDiscontinuity you're asking]]) has been AllForNothing and sends a cynical message that [[spoiler:John's only purpose was to destroy Skynet and he had outlived his purpose/life once Skynet was destroyed]] as well as another YouCantFightFate message from ''3'', or it was necessary to depict the message that AsLongAsThereIsEvil, there will always be a hero to combat it.
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* DirectorDisplacement: Creator/JamesCameron's return to the franchise was significantly hyped up, but he was only the executive producer and was merely one of several people who helped write the story. His name is as big as director Tim Miller's on the first poster and stands above the latter, but his actual involvement is subject to debate, including reports of heavy CreativeDifferences with producer David Ellison and Tim Miller that suggest his actual involvement might have been indeed very limited (besides, he was also busy guiding Creator/RobertRodriguez on ''Film/AlitaBattleAngel'' and filming the ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' sequel when ''Dark Fate'' was being filmed).
* EpilepticTrees: The mysterious, geometric-looking scars on Mackenzie Davis' character in the first promo image have been taken by many fans as an indication that she's actually a Terminator and might be the films' equivalent to [[Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles Cameron]]. The first trailer seems to confirm this, [[spoiler:but the film josses it, stating that Grace is but a {{Cyborg}} akin to [[Film/TerminatorSalvation Marcus Wright.]]]]
* FanonDiscontinuity: Although this trend started as early as ''Film/Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines'', this installment is a particularly notable receiver of this reaction due to a number of plot decisions, among them [[spoiler:killing John without any ceremony, revealing that Sarah's work was AllForNothing and invalidating (again) the Aesop of the two original films.]]

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* DirectorDisplacement: Creator/JamesCameron's return to the franchise was significantly hyped up, but he was only the executive producer and was merely one of several people who helped write the story. His name is as big as director Tim Miller's on the first poster and stands above the latter, but his actual involvement is subject to debate, including reports of heavy CreativeDifferences with producer David Ellison and Tim Miller that suggest his actual involvement might have been indeed very limited debate (besides, he was also busy guiding Creator/RobertRodriguez on ''Film/AlitaBattleAngel'' and filming the ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' sequel when ''Dark Fate'' was being filmed).
* EpilepticTrees: The mysterious, geometric-looking scars on Mackenzie Davis' character in the first promo image have been taken by many fans as an indication that she's actually a Terminator and might be the films' equivalent to [[Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles Cameron]]. The first trailer seems to confirm this, [[spoiler:but the film josses it, stating that Grace is but a {{Cyborg}} akin to [[Film/TerminatorSalvation Marcus Wright.]]]]
* FanonDiscontinuity: Although this trend started as early as ''Film/Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines'', this installment is a particularly notable receiver of this reaction due to a number of plot decisions, among them [[spoiler:killing John without any ceremony, revealing that Sarah's work was AllForNothing and invalidating (again) the Aesop of the two original films.]]
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: While the film's reception hasn't been universally negative by any stretch, one common point of criticism is that it tends to rehash plot points of previous ''Terminator'' films [[note]]The TerminatorTwosome (plus a BadassNormal of some sort, like Kyle Reese), a female lead destined to birth the hero of the future war, the whole YouCantFightFate message, etc.[[/note]] and is especially derivative of the first two installments.
* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:John Connor dies at the beginning, and Dani Ramos takes his place as the future hero.]] This was almost guaranteed to be this anyway, as this was a very risky path to take the whole franchise through. Many fans ''and'' detractors of the film were very critical of this.



* {{Narm}}:
** The trailer has one moment where a hammer hits the new Terminator's leg and it makes a very cartoony splat sound.
** Sarah randomly saying [[spoiler:"She's John."]] after the big reveal, as if we somehow couldn't possibly get it without that.
** For a Spanish-speaking viewer, it is impossible not to notice that Vicente Ramos is actually played by an ''European Spanish'' actor unsuccessfully trying to fake a Mexican accent. The same happens later with Felipe.
* NarmCharm: The shot of [[spoiler:Carl and Rev-9 laying down together as the former does a TakingYouWithMe seems less like a sacrifice and more or less two drunken buddies lounging on the floor. But once you look into it some more, as well as Rev-9's NotSoDifferent statement, they are one of a kind, and the shot showcases how they are {{Foil}}s - Carl is the last remnant of Skynet, Rev-9 is the start of Legion.]]



* ReplacementScrappy: Dani for John Connor for a large part of the fandom. It doesn't help that [[spoiler:John Connor dies at the beginning so she can be the future savior instead]].



* TaintedByThePreview: Responses to the first trailer were rather varied and far from unanimously enthusiastic, with it garnering 1/5th of dislikes on the film's [=YouTube=] channel.


* NeverLiveItDown: [[spoiler: John Connor's death.]] And that's all we're going to say of the matter.

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* NeverLiveItDown: [[spoiler: John Connor's death.]] And that's all we're going to say of the matter.


** The film introduces the idea that a terminator which succeeds in its mission is left high and dry to find its own new purpose. This is explored with the character of Carl, but it has more unexplored potential, and could have been used to create a more tangible connection between Skynet and Legion. Perhaps a Terminator, realizing that John and Skynet are gone, decides to create a new AI to take it's place?

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** The film introduces the idea that a terminator which succeeds in its mission is left high and dry to find its own new purpose. This is explored with the character of Carl, but it has more unexplored potential, with there being many possibilites of what a terminator could choose to do without a mission, and could have been used to create a more tangible connection between Skynet and Legion. Perhaps a Terminator, realizing that John and Skynet are gone, decides to create a new AI to take it's Skynet's place?

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** The film introduces the idea that a terminator which succeeds in its mission is left high and dry to find its own new purpose. This is explored with the character of Carl, but it has more unexplored potential, and could have been used to create a more tangible connection between Skynet and Legion. Perhaps a Terminator, realizing that John and Skynet are gone, decides to create a new AI to take it's place?


* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Rev-9 being able to imitate human behavior most effectively of all the killer robots thus far has split audiences between those who think this makes it the most effective infiltrator [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse in its being unremarkable]] and those who think it removes the UncannyValley factor that made its predecessors disturbing and scary.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: BaseBreakingCharacter:
**
The Rev-9 being able to imitate human behavior most effectively of all the killer robots thus far has split audiences between those who think this makes it the most effective infiltrator [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse in its being unremarkable]] and those who think it removes the UncannyValley factor that made its predecessors disturbing and scary.

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** Some people take Dani as this as well, accusing the film of pandering, due to her acclimatizing to being TheChosenOne way too quickly, especially when you consider that she happily greets her uncle and is apparently calmly explained to him that his brother and nephew are dead, compare with John who, while nobody close to him died, took at least a decade to be the leader of the resistance and even then he was resisting it until at least ''Salvation''.

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