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* PanderingToTheBase: After Nickelodeon acquired the franchise, its various entries tend to steer much closer to the 1987 cartoon adaptation, due to a large amount of the series' fans having grown up on it. While the strategy has been largely successful, this has resulted in some people who were introduced to the broader franchise through material such as the 1990s movies or the 2003 series taking umbrage with the apparent favoritism.

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* PanderingToTheBase: After Nickelodeon acquired the franchise, its various entries tend to steer much closer to the 1987 cartoon adaptation, due to a large amount of the series' fans having grown up on it. While the strategy has been largely successful, this has resulted in some people who were introduced to the broader franchise through material such as the 1990s movies or the 2003 series or even the original Mirage comics taking umbrage with the apparent favoritism.
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** In 2016, a short called "Don Vs Raph" by Creator/JhonenVasquez involved [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Donnie and Raph fighting]] each other with trivial contests. In 2018, there was a ''VideoGame/Splatoon2'' contest themed after who the best Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle was, with Pearl siding with Raphael and Michelangelo, and Marina with Leonardo and Donatello. The finale of the Splatfest was ''Raphael vs Donatello'' (which Donatello ended up winning).

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** In 2016, a short called "Don Vs Raph" by Creator/JhonenVasquez involved [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Donnie Don and Raph fighting]] each other with trivial contests. In 2018, there was a ''VideoGame/Splatoon2'' contest themed after who the best Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle was, with Pearl siding with Raphael and Michelangelo, and Marina with Leonardo and Donatello. The finale of the Splatfest was ''Raphael vs Donatello'' (which Donatello ended up winning).
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** Bishop is probably the most popular character created for the 2003 series along with Hun and [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe Starlee Hambrath.]]

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** Bishop is probably the most popular character created for the 2003 series along with Hun and [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe Starlee Hambrath.]]Viral.
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** While Leo and Mike are considered to be oldest and youngest respectively amongst the brothers, most fans assume that Raph is older tham Don, to explain Raph's sibling rivalry with Leo. This is actually [[https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dkbtl/comment/cjqb686/ contradicted by Kevin Eastman]], who believes Don to be older, possibly because Raph's personality is based on Eastman's while that of Don is based on Peter Laird's and Laird is older than Eastman.

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** While Leo and Mike are considered to be oldest and youngest respectively amongst the brothers, most fans assume that Raph is older tham than Don, to explain Raph's sibling rivalry with Leo. This is actually [[https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dkbtl/comment/cjqb686/ contradicted by Kevin Eastman]], who believes Don to be older, possibly because Raph's personality is based on Eastman's while that of Don is based on Peter Laird's and Laird is older than Eastman.

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* {{Fanon}}: Some fans like having [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987 Mona Lisa]] and [[Series/NinjaTurtlesTheNextMutation Venus de Milo]] meeting each other and being dear friends. There's even a [[http://monavenusunited.deviantart.com/ club for them.]]

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** While Leo and Mike are considered to be oldest and youngest respectively amongst the brothers, most fans assume that Raph is older tham Don, to explain Raph's sibling rivalry with Leo. This is actually [[https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dkbtl/comment/cjqb686/ contradicted by Kevin Eastman]], who believes Don to be older, possibly because Raph's personality is based on Eastman's while that of Don is based on Peter Laird's and Laird is older than Eastman.
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Some fans like having [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987 Mona Lisa]] and [[Series/NinjaTurtlesTheNextMutation Venus de Milo]] meeting each other and being dear friends. There's even a [[http://monavenusunited.deviantart.com/ club for them.]]
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** Hamato Yoshi, or rather specifically the nature of his connection with Splinter's origin, which divides fans as to what they prefer. Yoshi was Splinter's deceased master in the Mirage comics as revealed in the first ever issue, while the 1987 cartoon [[CompositeCharacter combined Splinter]] [[SparedByTheAdaptation with Yoshi]], as revealed in the SpoilerOpening credits, and various other adaptations since have used a variation of either option more or less equally.[[note]]'''Rat-only Splinter:''' Mirage comics, 90s movies (plus ''Next Mutation'' and ''TMNT''), 2003 cartoon, Bayturtles movies, ''Mutant Mayhem''. '''Post-human Splinter:''' 1987 cartoon (plus Archie comics), IDW comics, 2012 cartoon, ''Rise''.[[/note]] Those who prefer Yoshi the human and Splinter the rat as separate characters will cite [[TruerToTheText the seniority]] of Mirage, the tragedy of Yoshi being dead and Splinter wanting revenge, etc. Those who prefer that Yoshi becomes Splinter will say it makes the story simpler and the original origin (more or less recreated faithfully in the 1990 movie) has some major FridgeLogic (excusable by the first Mirage comic being a genre StealthParody) of Splinter learning martial arts from watching Yoshi ''while still unmutated'', etc. But people tend to agree that if Splinter isn't said or depicted to be a former human, Yoshi still needs to be present somehow, and versions that don't connect them at all will get flak, mainly because Yoshi ties into Splinter's enmity with the Shredder.

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** Hamato Yoshi, or rather specifically the nature of his connection with Splinter's origin, which divides fans as to what they prefer. Splinter. Yoshi was Splinter's deceased master in the Mirage comics as revealed in the first ever issue, comics, while the 1987 cartoon [[CompositeCharacter combined Splinter]] [[SparedByTheAdaptation with Yoshi]], as revealed in the SpoilerOpening credits, and various other adaptations since have used a variation of either option more or less equally.[[note]]'''Rat-only Splinter:''' Mirage comics, 90s movies (plus movies, ''Next Mutation'' and ''TMNT''), Mutation'', ''TMNT'', 2003 cartoon, Bayturtles movies, ''Mutant Mayhem''. '''Post-human Splinter:''' 1987 cartoon (plus cartoon, Archie comics), comics, IDW comics, 2012 cartoon, ''Rise''.[[/note]] Those who prefer Yoshi the human and Splinter the rat as separate characters will cite [[TruerToTheText the seniority]] of Mirage, the tragedy of Yoshi being dead and Splinter wanting revenge, etc. Those who prefer that Yoshi becomes Splinter will say it makes the story simpler and that the original origin (more or less recreated faithfully in the 1990 first 90s movie) has some major FridgeLogic (excusable by the first Mirage comic being a genre StealthParody) of Splinter learning martial arts from watching Yoshi ''while still unmutated'', etc. But people tend to agree that if Splinter isn't said or depicted to be a former human, Yoshi still needs to be present in the story somehow, and versions that don't connect them at all will get flak, mainly because Yoshi ties into Splinter's enmity with the Shredder.
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* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTheLastRonin''
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** Fans of the original Mirage Comics dish on the 1987 series for "selling out". Fans of the 1987 series say this about the 2003 version and its more serious tone. Fans of the first five seasons of the 2003 series will scream obscenities at Fast Forward due to its radical shift in tone, setting, and look. This was Lampshaded in ''Turtles Forever'' when [[spoiler:the 1987 turtles and 2003 turtles arrive in the 1984 (Mirage) universe. The Mirage Turtles there call the others ' sellouts' though they eventually settle their differences]].

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** Fans of the original Mirage Comics dish on the 1987 series for "selling out". Fans of the 1987 series say this about the 2003 version and its more serious tone. Fans of the first five seasons of the 2003 series will scream obscenities at Fast Forward due to its radical shift in tone, setting, and look. This was Lampshaded lampshaded in ''Turtles Forever'' when [[spoiler:the 1987 turtles and 2003 turtles arrive in the 1984 (Mirage) universe. The Mirage Turtles there call the others ' sellouts' sellouts' though they eventually settle their differences]].
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** Fans of the original Mirage Comics dish on the 1987 series for "selling out". Fans of the 1987 series say this about the 2003 version and its more serious tone. Fans of the first five seasons of the 2003 series will scream obscenities at Fast Forward due to its radical shift in tone, setting, and look. This was Lampshaded in Turtles Forever when [[spoiler:the 1987 turtles and 2003 turtles arrive in the 1984 (Mirage) universe. The Mirage Turtles there call the others ' sellouts' though they eventually settle their differences]].

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** Fans of the original Mirage Comics dish on the 1987 series for "selling out". Fans of the 1987 series say this about the 2003 version and its more serious tone. Fans of the first five seasons of the 2003 series will scream obscenities at Fast Forward due to its radical shift in tone, setting, and look. This was Lampshaded in Turtles Forever ''Turtles Forever'' when [[spoiler:the 1987 turtles and 2003 turtles arrive in the 1984 (Mirage) universe. The Mirage Turtles there call the others ' sellouts' though they eventually settle their differences]].
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** Hamato Yoshi, or rather specifically the nature of his connection with Splinter's origin, which divides fans as to what they prefer. Yoshi was Splinter's deceased master in the Mirage comics as revealed in the first ever issue, while the 1987 cartoon [[CompositeCharacter combined Splinter]] [[SparedByTheAdaptation with Yoshi]], as revealed in the SpoilerOpening credits, and various other adaptations since have used a variation of either option more or less equally.[[note]]'''Rat-only Splinter:''' Mirage comics, 90s movies (plus ''Next Mutation'' and ''TMNT''), 2003 cartoon, Bayturtles movies, ''Mutant Mayhem''. '''Post-human Splinter:''' 1987 cartoon (plus Archie comics), IDW comics, 2012 cartoon, ''Rise''.[[/note]] Those who prefer Yoshi the human and Splinter the rat as separate characters will cite [[TruerToTheText the seniority]] of Mirage, the tragedy of Yoshi being dead and Splinter wanting revenge, etc. Those who prefer that Yoshi becomes Splinter will say it makes the story simpler and the original origin (more or less recreated faithfully in the 1990 movie) has some major FridgeLogic (excusable by the first Mirage comic being a genre StealthParody) of Splinter learning martial arts from watching Yoshi ''while still unmutated'', etc. But people tend to agree that if Splinter isn't said or depicted to be a former human, Yoshi still needs to be present somehow, and versions that don't connect them at all will get flak, mainly because Yoshi ties into Splinter's enmity with the Shredder.
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* EvilIsSexy:
** [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe Medusa]] from the end of the 80's series.
** Also [[FieryRedhead Viral]] from the 2003 series.
** The 80's cartoon's version of Shredder has a surprising amount of fangirls.
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** When Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} brought the ''TMNT'' in 2009, fans have noted that most incarnations of the Turtles made under their ownership have gained more [[DivergentCharacterEvolution individual design elements]] and often different designs compared to how they were back when they were still independently owned by Mirage, where the only real distinguishable design elements between them were their weapons, and in adaptations, most notably the multicolored masks and sometimes them being different tints of green and/or having belt buckles with their initials. Some fans don't mind this change in approach and like that the turtles are made to be more unique and distinguishable from each other, while others find it to be unnecessary (given they already have the multicolored masks to distinguish them) and find many of the designs under Nick's ownership (especially the 2014 and 2018 designs) to be too busy and/or off-putting.

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** When Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} brought the ''TMNT'' in 2009, fans have noted that most incarnations of the Turtles made under their ownership have gained more [[DivergentCharacterEvolution individual design elements]] and often different designs compared to how they were back when they were still independently owned by Mirage, where the only real distinguishable design elements between them were their weapons, and in adaptations, most notably the multicolored masks and sometimes them being different tints of green and/or having belt buckles with their initials. Some fans don't mind this change in approach and like that the turtles are made to be more unique and distinguishable from each other, while others find it to be unnecessary (given they already have the at least their weapons and also almost always their multicolored masks to distinguish them) and find many of the designs under Nick's ownership (especially the 2014 and 2018 designs) to be too busy and/or off-putting.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]];[[YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesShreddersRevenge The Shredder]]. See those pages for details.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]];[[YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesShreddersRevenge The Shredder]].Shredder]]; & [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMutantMayhem Superfly]]. See those pages for details.

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* FandomRivalry: Unfortunately, the TMNT fandom suffers from one of the largest inter-fandom wars in popular culture. This is in large part due to the franchise alternating between two wildly distinct tonal directions across its many incarnations that could not have been more different from each other. These include the lighter and softer entries popularized by the 1987 show and continued on in the 2012 show that stands in contrast to the darker and edgier entries as seen in the 2003 show and the original 1990 movie. Fans of the former turtles appreciate them for their more adventurous, humorous, and light-hearted spirit while also insisting that they also have their fair share of dramatic events and aren't just non-stop goofy nonsense; while the deriding the latter entries as removing the fun from the franchise by taking themselves far too seriously. Fans of the latter turtles appreciate their version for providing more mature, dark, and daring narratives that elevate the turtles' potential for storytelling and for being more loyal to the original source material; dismissing the former turtles as "corporate sellouts" that restricts the franchise to an Animation Age Ghetto for kids. What camp one falls under largely depends on which version of the TMNT the fan grew up with and became attached to, which leaves them surprised when other entries of the TMNT that are different from what they expect and eventually come to demand more of what made them fall in love with the Turtles. And of course, there are many fans who are perfectly fine with either approach and wish this divide would come to an end.



* FandomRivalry: Unfortunately, the TMNT fandom suffers from one of the largest inter-fandom wars in popular culture. This is in large part due to the franchise alternating between two wildly distinct tonal directions across its many incarnations that could not have been more different from each other. These include the lighter and softer entries popularized by the 1987 show and continued on in the 2012 show that stands in contrast to the darker and edgier entries as seen in the 2003 show and the original 1990 movie. Fans of the former turtles appreciate them for their more adventurous, humorous, and light-hearted spirit while also insisting that they also have their fair share of dramatic events and aren't just non-stop goofy nonsense; while the deriding the latter entries as removing the fun from the franchise by taking themselves far too seriously. Fans of the latter turtles appreciate their version for providing more mature, dark, and daring narratives that elevate the turtles' potential for storytelling and for being more loyal to the original source material; dismissing the former turtles as "corporate sellouts" that restricts the franchise to an Animation Age Ghetto for kids. What camp one falls under largely depends on which version of the TMNT the fan grew up with and became attached to, which leaves them surprised when other entries of the TMNT that are different from what they expect and eventually come to demand more of what made them fall in love with the Turtles. And of course, there are many fans who are perfectly fine with either approach and wish this divide would come to an end.


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** It's very common for fans of the 2003 series to treat ''Fast Forward'' and ''Back to the Sewers'' this way. To a lesser extent, some fans of the 1987 series treat ''Turtles Forever'' this way due to its divisive handling of those characters.
** Many fans see the IDW series as having gone downhill after issue 100, so they'll suggest just stopping there.
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* AmericansHateTingle: Ironically, TMNT has a rather weak Japanese audience. TMNT enjoyed a few years of popularity when it was first brought there in the early 1990s, but it quickly nosedived and failed to find any continuous success due to lack of interest. The Japanese dubs of TMNT shows tend to be short lived and the Imagi movie was put straight-to-video -- there were also short-lived anime and manga adaptations that never really caught on. This is often attributed to some of the Japanese elements reaching ShallowParody levels. The most popular aspect of the series for Japanese fans seems to be the games, which were mostly created by Japanese developers and also avoided the more shallow aspects thanks to their {{excuse plot}}s.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Ironically, TMNT has a rather weak Japanese audience. TMNT enjoyed a few years of popularity when it was first brought there in the early 1990s, but it quickly nosedived and failed to find any continuous success due to lack of interest. The Japanese dubs of TMNT shows tend to be short lived (with ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles'' notably never even being dubbed; only the [[WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTheMovie finale movie]] got a Japanese vocal track) and the Imagi movie was put straight-to-video -- there were also short-lived anime and manga adaptations that never really caught on. This is often attributed to some of the Japanese elements reaching ShallowParody levels. The most popular aspect of the series for Japanese fans seems to be the games, which were mostly created by Japanese developers and also avoided the more shallow aspects thanks to their {{excuse plot}}s.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]];[[YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]], [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesShreddersRevenge The Shredder]]. See those pages for details.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]];[[YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]], Repulsa]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesShreddersRevenge The Shredder]]. See those pages for details.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]];[[YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]]. See those pages for details.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]];[[YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]].Repulsa]], [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesShreddersRevenge The Shredder]]. See those pages for details.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The Ninja Turtles, as a whole is extremely well loved in Mexico, becoming one of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s biggest names in the country, along with ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'', and ''WesternAnimation/PAWPatrol''.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The Ninja Turtles, Turtles franchise as a whole is extremely well loved in Mexico, becoming one of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s biggest names in the country, along with ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'', and ''WesternAnimation/PAWPatrol''.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The Ninja Turtles, as a whole is extremely well loved Mexico, becoming one of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s biggest names in the country, along with ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'', and ''WesternAnimation/PAWPatrol''.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The Ninja Turtles, as a whole is extremely well loved in Mexico, becoming one of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s biggest names in the country, along with ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'', and ''WesternAnimation/PAWPatrol''.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The Ninja Turtles, as a whole is extremely well loved Mexico, becoming one of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s biggest names in the country, along with WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants, and WesternAnimation/PAWPatrol.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The Ninja Turtles, as a whole is extremely well loved Mexico, becoming one of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s biggest names in the country, along with WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants, ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'', and WesternAnimation/PAWPatrol.''WesternAnimation/PAWPatrol''.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]];[[''YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]]. See those pages for details.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]];[[''YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Masseur]];[[YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]]. See those pages for details.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]]. See those pages for details.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage Karai]]; [[YMMV/LegendsSoulsWinter Oroku Saki]]; [[YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 Agent John Bishop]]; [[YMMV/{{TMNT}} Max Winters]]; [[YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Yokai Masseur]].Masseur]];[[''YMMV/MightyMorphinPowerRangersTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles The Shredder and Rita Repulsa]]. See those pages for details.
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* FandomRivalry: Unfortunately, the TMNT fandom suffers from one of the largest inter-fandom wars in popular culture. This is in large part due to the franchise alternating between two wildly distinct tonal directions across its many incarnations that could not have been more different from each other. These include the lighter and softer entries popularized by the 1987 show and continued on in the 2012 show that stands in contrast to the darker and edgier entries as seen in the 2003 show and the original 1990 movie. Fans of the former turtles appreciate them for their more adventurous, humorous, and light-hearted spirit while also insisting that they also have their fair share of dramatic events and aren't just non-stop goofy nonsense; while the deriding the latter entries as removing the fun from the franchise by taking themselves far too seriously. Fans of the latter turtles appreciate their version for providing more mature, dark, and daring narratives that elevate the turtles' potential for storytelling and for being more loyal to the original source material; dismissing the former turtles as "corporate sellouts" that restricts the franchise to an Animation Age Ghetto for kids. What camp one falls under largely depends on which version of the TMNT the fan grew up with and became attached to, which leaves them surprised when other entries of the TMNT that are different from what they expect and eventually come to demand more of what made them fall in love with the Turtles. And of course, there are many fans who are perfectly fine with either approach and wish this divide would come to an end.

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!!Tropes that pertain to the entire franchise:

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!!Tropes that pertain to the entire franchise:
!!YMMV Pages for Specific Works:
!!Comics:



* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesAdventures''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesIDW''

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* ''YMMV/TurtlesForever''

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* ** ''YMMV/TurtlesForever''



* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesIDW''




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** ''YMMV/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTheMovie''

!!Films:
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1990''
** ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesIITheSecretOfTheOoze''
** ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesIII''
* ''YMMV/{{TMNT}}''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014''
** ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesOutOfTheShadows''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMutantMayhem''

!!Video Games:
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1989''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTheArcadeGame''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTurtlesInTime''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTournamentFighters''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesSmashUp''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesOutOfTheShadows''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2013''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesShreddersRevenge''



!!YMMV Items That Pertain to the Entire Franchise:



* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Hasbro, Mattel and other companies passed on making toys based on the comic thinking ItWillNeverCatchOn. Creator/PlaymatesToys, who was trying to break into the American market, signed on with the condition of having [[Westernanimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987 an associated cartoon]], and it resulted in both making this kooky concept a worldwide hit and Playmates a big player in the action figure market.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Hasbro, Mattel and other companies passed on making toys based on the comic thinking ItWillNeverCatchOn.comic. Creator/PlaymatesToys, who was trying to break into the American market, signed on with the condition of having [[Westernanimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987 an associated cartoon]], and it resulted in both making this kooky concept a worldwide hit and Playmates a big player in the action figure market.



* SoBadItsGood:
** Try watching the Christmas Special, ''We Wish You a Turtles Christmas'' without laughing.
** Some episodes of the 1987 series.

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SoBadItsGood: Try watching the Christmas Special, ''We Wish You a Turtles Christmas'' without laughing.
** Some episodes of the 1987 series.
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!!Tropes that pertain to the video games:

* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1989''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTheArcadeGame''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTurtlesInTime''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesTournamentFighters''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesSmashUp''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesOutOfTheShadows''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2013''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesShreddersRevenge''

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!!Tropes that pertain to the films:

* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesIITheSecretOfTheOoze''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesIII''
* ''YMMV/{{TMNT}}''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesOutOfTheShadows''
* ''YMMV/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMutantMayhem''

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Many major studios such as Creator/WaltDisneyPictures, Creator/ColumbiaPictures, Creator/{{MGM}}[=/=][[Creator/UnitedArtists UA]], Creator/OrionPictures, Creator/{{Paramount}} (whose parent company Viacom would ironically enough acquire the ''TMNT'' property in 2009) and Creator/WarnerBros turned down the first film for distribution as they were worried that despite the popularity of the 1987 series and the toy line, the film would potentially be a box office disappointment like ''Film/MastersOfTheUniverse'' was just a couple years prior. The film finally found distribution roughly halfway through the initial production via the then small and independent production company New Line Cinema which at that point had been known more for distributing low budget B movies and arthouse fare. New line at the time was mainly making its profits at that point from the Nightmare On Elm Street movies. The film would end up becoming a box office hit, having the second largest opening at the US box office at the time (behind 1989's ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'') and going on to make $200 million worldwide.
* AntiClimaxBoss: The Turtles finally confront Shredder in the first film and he spends roughly three minutes defeating them with little difficulty. Then Splinter appears and defeats the Shredder in one move.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** Shredder's Suite.
** The main theme for the Turtles in the first two movies.
** The build-up music for the climax in the first movie.
** "Message From Splinter," So awesome and bittersweet that it would be later used to pay tribute to the late James Avery in recognition of his role in the cartoon.
** Turtle Power!
* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Oroku Saki, the Shredder]], is the mysterious, hateful leader of the Foot Clan, using it to satisfy his own greed and vengeful goals. Years ago murdering the object of his affections, Tang Shen, and the man she loved to sate his own jealous rage, Shredder [[TheFagin lured dozens of troubled youths to join his Foot Clan]] by preying on their need for a family and turning them into criminals, all while uncaring of their well-being and subjecting them to [[TrainingFromHell harsh beatings]] as part of their daily lives. Capturing and torturing Master Splinter to gain info on the Ninja Turtles, Shredder orders the rat killed before trying to murder his surrogate turtle sons as well, claiming he will spare one of their number if the rest surrender, only to [[ILied try to kill them all anyway]]. Returning in the sequel, Shredder forces Professor Perry to create the mutant beasts Tokka and Rahzar, threatening to [[YouHaveFailedMe execute all three of them for failure]] when the monsters have the minds of "stupid infants" before bragging plans to unleash Tokka and Rahzar onto Central Park and endanger countless people. When his plans are foiled, Shredder takes an innocent woman as a hostage, threatening to douse her in mutagen and monstrously transform her while he makes his escape.
* CriticalDissonance: None of the films have gotten positive enough reviews to warrant a fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes, although the first film, while not considered a work of art, has a much more positive and enjoyable reception from audiences, particularly among fans of the franchise.
* FirstInstallmentWins: The first film is the only one whose quality the fanbase can widely regard as good. ''The Secret of the Ooze'' has its defenders, but many criticize it for being LighterAndSofter and not having enough action, ''Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III'' is widely considered the worst film in the entire franchise, and ''TMNT'' is a ContestedSequel at its finest. To say nothing of how divisive the Bay-produced films are, although ''Out of The Shadows'' is considered a mild step-up.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'' often gets flack for making April the [[HumanFocusedAdaptation focus of the story]], though the film still centers around the turtles. The Turtles personalities are well done, but they don't get much character development. Lacking Casey Jones[[note]]who was MIA in Secret of the Ooze[[/note]] and putting in a villain (Eric Sacks) who had nothing to do with any of the comics or cartoons prior to that point was a mitigating factor too. The thing is that this problem can be found all the way back in the [[Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles 1990]] original. As pointed out by WebVideo/CinemaSins, Raphael is the only one who gets a character arc of some sort, Leo gets some, and Donnie and Mikey don't get any at all. Plus, Danny, a minor character, had a sub-plot that while did not take over the whole film, was an odd decision. The reason why it wasn't noticeable back then was due to it being the Turtle's first film, the hype surrounding it, and a well written story with great practical effects and action scenes. The sequel, ''Secret of the Ooze'', tried to fix the character development issue by putting the focus on Donnie's [[IJustWantToBeSpecial arc]] [[note]]When the turtles find out they were created by accident.[[/note]], but it never really goes anywhere. ''Turtles III'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{TMNT}} (2007)'' both featured villains that had nothing to do with the comics or cartoons, albeit, the latter had Karai with hints of Shredder returning in a sequel that was never made. Tatsu wasn't in any prior media either, acting as a stand in for Karai, but he was the right hand man to Shredder, so that was okay. Karai was still obscure at the time unless one read the original comics, so that was understandable. ''Ooze'' had Tokka and Rahzar as expies for Bebop and Rocksteady, because Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman [[WordOfGod did not want them in the film]]. ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesOutOfTheShadows'', the sequel to the 2014 movie, [[AuthorsSavingThrow attempted to address these complaints]] by putting more focus on the Turtles themselves, and also included fan-favorites Bebop and Rocksteady.
* HilariousInHindsight: Any sports fan over the last decade who's read the stories on steroid use can now look back on Raph's comment on Casey's Jose Canseco bat with a whole new meaning.
** It ''was'' a two-for-one sale.
** Donatello gets ragged on by his brothers for trying to make the word "Acapella" sound cool. Years later Music/{{Eminem}} finishes what Don started, by using that word and the meaning behind it in a crucial moment against Papa Doc in ''Film/EightMile''.
** In one fight scene, Casey defeats [[TheDragon Tatsu]] by swinging a golf club at him, and he promptly kisses the club, saying, "I'll never call golf a dull game again." There's a ninja game for the Atari called ''Ninja Golf''.
** The song "Turtle Power" has Raphael erroneously identified as the leader. And then comes ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles'', where Raphael actually ''is'' the leader of the turtles.
** Kids nowadays, watching the scene with the teens in the warehouse, may have trouble understanding what is so subversive and rebellious about using an indoor skateboarding park, playing an electric bass, spraypainting a wall clearly set up for the purpose of spraypainting, playing arcade games, and doing a little recreational gambling. Now it seems that the least horrifying thing in the '80's ("Regular, or Menthol?") is the only bad behavior in the entire scene.
** During the first rooftop battle, Raph mocks the Foot ninjas by saying "You guys must be studying the abridged book of ninja fighting". In the [[Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014 2014 reboot]], Splinter learnt and taught Raph and the others ninjitsu by studying a book he found in the sewers, meaning Raph himself learned the art of ninja by essentially studying the abridged book of ninja fighting!
* MagicFranchiseWord: "Man, I ''love'' being a turtle!"
* MemeticMutation:
** God, I love being a TURTLE!!![[labelnote:Explanation]]Mikey says this after ducking his head into his shell to dodge an attack. The phrase has appeared in subsequent films and other media since.[[/labelnote]]
** DAMN!!![[labelnote:Explanation]]Raphael chases after Casey. Cut to DistantReactionShot of the New York skyline. Raphael yells.[[/labelnote]]
** Ninja kick the damn rabbit![[labelnote:Explanation]]Mikey's reaction as he and Donnie watch a cartoon based on "The Tortoise and the Hare".[[/labelnote]]
** You dirty rat! You killed my brother!
** Do you like penicillin on your pizza? (Proceeds to hum "Taps".)
** Wise men say: forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Mikey shortchanges the pizza delivery guy for being late and gives this line when he protests.[[/labelnote]]
* RetroactiveRecognition:
** The gang member who snitches to the cops at the conclusion is a young Creator/SamRockwell. He also delivers the line "Regular or Menthol" when asked if he had smokes.
** For a voice-only example, there's Creator/MichaelMcConnohie, aka [[Anime/CodeGeass Emperor Charles zi Britannia]], who dubbed Tatsu's dialogue.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** This was one of the first live-action adaptations of an animated property ever to become a major unqualified success, paving the way for future adaptations like the 1994 film adaptation of ''Film/TheFlintstones'', the 2002 live action adaptation of ''Film/ScoobyDoo'', and Creator/{{Disney}}'s whole slate of live-action remakes. If you're used to those sorts of films being semi-regular fixtures at the box office, it can be difficult to imagine what a big deal ''Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles'' was in 1990 (indeed, many people at the time were ''flabbergasted'' when news broke that it would be live-action).
** The animatronics themselves also fall under this. While they were groundbreaking for 1989/1990, not only was this process used for the sequels (the third to [[SpecialEffectFailure not as successful results]]) and other projects by Creator/JimHensonsCreatureShop; but many other effects artists would use similar methods to build upon and advance animatronics both for PeopleInRubberSuits effects and in general.
* ShockingMoments: Kids and reviewers, including Creator/RogerEbert, were shocked the film was ''live-action''.
-->'''Roger Ebert:''' I was surprised to discover it's a live-action film. I expected animation - a spinoff of the Saturday morning Turtle cartoon show. But no. These are actual human beings for the most part, including stunt men inside the life-size turtle suits (certain other characters have been created artificially by the Jim Henson folks).
* SpecialEffectFailure: While most of the effects work still holds up, there are instances where it does falter.
** A clearly human hand swings in front of the camera as Donatello does a spin on his skateboard, there's a moment where you can clearly see a microphone cord dangling from Raphael's shell, a few instances where the head and neck seams aren't bended in properly (Michelangelo when he and Donatello are talking about what Splinter told them while waiting for the pizza being a notable example), and a moment during Raphael's recovery where you can see the teeth of Donatello's actor Leif Tilden [[NightmareFuel peeking though his mouth.]]
** The switch from the hero suits (with the animatronics) and the stunt suits (with the static faces) is [[ObviousStuntDouble rather obvious]].
** The scene with the turtle [[SayMyName yelling out Splinter's name]] is supposed to be Raphael, but you can see nunchucks (Michelangelo's weapon) on the side. This was to try and cover up a deleted subplot involving Mikey.
* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The first film is a nice little snapshot of very, very late 80s culture: New Jack Swing soundtrack? Check. Skateboard ramps inside Shredder's warehouse? Check. Bulky Macintosh computer in April's shop? Check. Spiked hair and Casey mistaking Raphael for a punk? Check. April's gigantic, Kenny G-style perm? Check. Animatronic and puppet effects for the main characters? Check. And then there's Michaelangelo's Creator/JamesCagney and [[Franchise/{{Rocky}} Rocky Balboa]] impressions, and the appearance of ''[[WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle Aesop and Son]]'' on the TV in April's apartment, which dates the movie with what was nostalgic at the time.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Above errors aside, the animatronic suits and puppets still look unbelievably good even today; they should, since they were created by the Creator/JimHensonsCreatureShop and were the predecessors of all the current systems used for their full-bodied animatronics. The film even used Henson's involvement as a selling point.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: One of the biggest complaints from critics, parents, and MoralGuardians regarding the original film; and not necessarily without merit. Not only do the characters frequently brandish their weapons, but they suffer FamilyUnfriendlyViolence to varying degrees: Raphael is [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beaten to the point of becoming comatose]]; Splinter reveals his BackstoryHorror, where two characters are killed onscreen; and Shredder is ([[JokerImmunity supposedly]]) crushed to death in a trash compactor. There is also [[PrecisionFStrike the occasional use of the word "Damn" peppered throughout the film]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking along with some]] ProductPlacement [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking from Domino's]]. In response to these complaints, the sequel was made LighterAndSofter -- [[{{Sequelitis}} maybe too much so.]]
* {{Woolseyism}}: The European Spanish dub of the film is a rather infamous example, and also overlaps with SpiceUpTheSubtitles as well: Unlike with what happened with the dubs of the animated series and later movies, the famous "Cowabunga!" was translated as "¡De puta madre!" (literally "That's [[AtomicFBomb fucking]] great!") at the end of the movie. The worst part of the whole thing is the fact that ''Master Splinter'', [[OldMaster of all people]], was the one who came out with the idea of using that word. It should be noted that latter reruns of the movie in Spaniard TV gets that word censored through.

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