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** Johanna can also be interpreted as being genuinely in love with Anthony or just using him as a means to escape the Judge. The 2007 film, for example, goes with the latter.

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** Johanna can also be interpreted as being genuinely in love with Anthony or just using him as a means to escape the Judge. The 2007 film, for example, goes with the latter. However, some stagings go for a blend of both; she's certainly eager to marry Anthony and get the hell away from the Judge, but does sincerely love him. Or maybe she fell for him ''because'' [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan he came to rescue her]] after seeing what kind of situation she was in.
** During "Johanna (Quartet)", Johanna's part has her singing a reprise of "Kiss Me" while locked up in the asylum. Is it a MadnessMantra, with her mind cracking after so much abuse, unable to fully grasp that she will ''not'' marry Anthony on Sunday as the song says? Or is it actually a SurvivalMantra, with Johanna repeating Anthony's declarations of love to herself, helping her hang in there long enough for Anthony to find her? Depending on how literally you take the singing, it's also possible she's singing (or shouting) diegetically in the hopes that Anthony will hear her?



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** As tragic as the whole thing is, it's actually pretty sweet that [[spoiler:Lucy spends her days hanging around her old house, or the house where her daughter is now living. She doesn't remember or recognize Johanna, but she still has enough maternal instinct left to want to be near her]].
** While Sweeney doesn't kill a man who comes in with his daughter mostly for [[PragmaticVillainy practical reasons]], some productions have him give her a piece of candy or something, [[PetTheDog which is nice]].
** If you take a more favorable interpretation of Anthony, his part of "Johanna (Reprise)" becomes this, as it becomes a vow to Johanna, who at this point is locked away in a madhouse with God-knows-what being done to her, [[IWillFindYou that he]] ''[[DeclarationOfProtection will]]'' [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl find and rescue her]], [[{{Determinator}} no matter what]].


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* RonTheDeathEater: Anthony tends to get hit with this by fans who disdain him as being an insufferable StalkerWithACrush who messes things up for Todd. However, the show itself makes it clear the LoveAtFirstSight with Johanna is mutual, and he only sings the infamous lyrics about stealing her away ''after'' seeing evidence that she lives in an abusive household (with some stagings even having him overhear Turpin making creepy, incestuous comments to her), with him then stopping at ''nothing'' to find her when Turpin has her locked up in a madhouse. While his rescue of Johanna is motivated by wanting to marry her, he also rightfully fears for her safety and wants to get her out of there, which she is completely on board with. He's also very loyal to Todd, having saved his life and respecting his wishes not to talk about his past, and he only manages to mess up the revenge plot because ''Todd'' decided to take his sweet time killing Turpin once he has him where he wants him.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Hey, that's [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga Caius]]/[[spoiler:[[Series/StrangerThings Vecna]]]] playing Anthony!

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Hey, that's [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga Caius]]/[[spoiler:[[Series/StrangerThings Vecna]]]] playing Anthony!Creator/JamieCampbellBower as Anthony, in his film role.
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* NarmCharm: Compared to Creator/LenCariou or George Hearn, it's clear that Creator/JohnnyDepp isn't a trained singer, but he more than makes up for it by displaying the tragedy and insanity of Todd perfectly.

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* NarmCharm: Compared to Creator/LenCariou or George Hearn, it's clear that Creator/JohnnyDepp isn't a trained singer, singer and can lead to unintentionally hilarious moments when trying to hit some notes, but he more than makes up for it by displaying the tragedy and insanity of Todd perfectly.
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* RefrainFromAssuming: "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd", "The Contest", and "Epiphany" do not contain their titles within the lyrics. The film adaptation adds "God, That's Good!" to the list by removing all crowd singers throughout the songs, and thus the crowd refrain from the song which does serve as its title.
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* The relationship between Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett has been played in all sorts of different ways over the years, and while she's obviously very into him, it varies between productions on how much he's into her. (Sondheim himself said in a letter to a fan that he wrote the musical believing them to be sleeping together, but at the same time he didn't attribute much importance to it.) It even carries through to the closing moments of the show: [[spoiler:in the original 1979 production Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett go off in separate directions, him glaring at her and her departing in fear, while in the 2023 revival Sweeney and Lovett walk to the back of the stage, clasp hands, share a glance and jump down into their graves, and implicitly into Hell, TogetherInDeath.]]

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* ** The relationship between Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett has been played in all sorts of different ways over the years, and while she's obviously very into him, it varies between productions on how much he's into her. (Sondheim himself said in a letter to a fan that he wrote the musical believing them to be sleeping together, but at the same time he didn't attribute much importance to it.) It even carries through to the closing moments of the show: [[spoiler:in the original 1979 production Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett go off in separate directions, him glaring at her and her departing in fear, while in the 2023 revival Sweeney and Lovett walk to the back of the stage, clasp hands, share a glance and jump down into their graves, and implicitly into Hell, TogetherInDeath.]]
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* The relationship between Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett has been played in all sorts of different ways over the years, and while she's obviously very into him, it varies between productions on how much he's into her. (Sondheim himself said in a letter to a fan that he wrote the musical believing them to be sleeping together, but at the same time he didn't attribute much importance to it.) It even carries through to the closing moments of the show: [[spoiler:in the original 1979 production Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett go off in separate directions, him glaring at her and her departing in fear, while in the 2023 revival Sweeney and Lovett walk to the back of the stage, clasp hands, share a glance and jump together down into their graves, and implicitly into Hell, TogetherInDeath.]]

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* The relationship between Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett has been played in all sorts of different ways over the years, and while she's obviously very into him, it varies between productions on how much he's into her. (Sondheim himself said in a letter to a fan that he wrote the musical believing them to be sleeping together, but at the same time he didn't attribute much importance to it.) It even carries through to the closing moments of the show: [[spoiler:in the original 1979 production Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett go off in separate directions, him glaring at her and her departing in fear, while in the 2023 revival Sweeney and Lovett walk to the back of the stage, clasp hands, share a glance and jump together down into their graves, and implicitly into Hell, TogetherInDeath.]]
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* The relationship between Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett has been played in all sorts of different ways over the years, and while she's obviously very into him, it varies between productions on how much he's into her. (Sondheim himself said in a letter to a fan that he wrote the musical believing them to be sleeping together, but at the same time he didn't attribute much importance to it.) It even carries through to the closing moments of the show: [[spoiler:in the original 1979 production Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett go off in separate directions, him glaring at her and her departing in fear, while in the 2023 revival Sweeney and Lovett walk to the back of the stage, clasp hands, share a glance and jump together down into their graves, and implicitly into Hell, TogetherInDeath.]]

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: "A Little Priest" crosses multiple lines, as it not only has Todd and Mrs. Lovett singing about killing people and putting them into pies, but also cracking numerous terrible {{pun}}s about their potential victims.

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"A Little Priest" crosses multiple lines, as it not only has Todd and Mrs. Lovett singing about killing people and putting them into pies, but also cracking numerous terrible {{pun}}s about their potential victims.victims.
** "Johanna (Reprise)" has Sweeney taking part in a beautiful and sombre quartet, about how he both misses his daughter and yet realises that he never knew her and never will -- all while slicing the throats of several customers and sending their bodies down a disposal chute. It often garners shocked and nervous giggles from audiences.
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* CreepyAwesome[=/=]EvilIsSexy: Sweeney Todd, a sunken-eyed, gaunt, and ruthlessly murderous barber played by Johnny Depp.

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* CreepyAwesome[=/=]EvilIsSexy: CreepyAwesome: Sweeney Todd, a sunken-eyed, gaunt, and ruthlessly murderous barber played by Johnny Depp.
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* NarmCharm: Compared to Creator/LenCariou or George Hearn, it's clear that Creator/JohnnyDepp isn't a trained singer, but he more than makes up for it by displaying the tragedy and insanity of Todd perfectly.
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** Most productions will establish that Sweeney doesn't kill men with families. Is this because he doesn't want to put their wives and children through the grief his own family suffered after he was deported? Or is it because [[PragmaticVillainy families mean witnesses and investigations]]?



* CrossesTheLineTwice: "A Little Priest" crosses multiple lines, as it not only has Todd and Mrs. Lovett singing about killing people and putting them into pies, but also cracking numerous terrible puns about their potential victims.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: "A Little Priest" crosses multiple lines, as it not only has Todd and Mrs. Lovett singing about killing people and putting them into pies, but also cracking numerous terrible puns {{pun}}s about their potential victims.

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** The scene where Mrs. Lovett [[spoiler:locks Toby in the meat-grinder basement so Sweeney can kill him]]. It's made clear that Mrs. Lovett understands what she's doing, since she's crying throughout. Creepy. [[spoiler:Though, she probably crosses it even earlier when she deliberately hides the truth about Lucy from Sweeney]].

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** The scene where Mrs. Lovett [[spoiler:locks Toby in the meat-grinder basement so Sweeney can kill him]]. It's made clear that Mrs. Lovett understands what she's doing, since she's crying throughout. Creepy. [[spoiler:Though, she probably crosses it even earlier when she deliberately hides the truth about Lucy from Sweeney]].Sweeney.]]



* QuestionableCasting: The original is a notoriously difficult score, yet the cast here is made up almost entirely of non-professional singers. However, it's worth noting that this is the ''only'' film adaptation of any of Sondheim's works that he fully approved of.



* WTHCastingAgency: The original is a notoriously difficult score, yet the cast here is made up almost entirely of non-professional singers. However, it's worth noting that this is the ''only'' film adaptation of any of Sondheim's works that he fully approved of.
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: Much like ''Film/BatmanReturns'', this film's horror, violence, and nihilism are a shining example of what happens when you allow Creator/TimBurton to go as dark as he wants to.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The film ends with Todd [[spoiler:throwing Mrs. Lovett into the furnace to burn to death.]] During Johnny Depp's defamation lawsuit against Amber Heard, Heard's lawyers brought out text messages in which Depp and Creator/PaulBettany joked about burning, raping and drowning Heard.
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** The casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor -– George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD (or VillainousBreakdown / [[VillainousBSOD BSOD]] in this case) song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. On the other hand, Creator/JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.

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** The casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor -– George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD (or VillainousBreakdown / [[VillainousBSOD BSOD]] in this case) song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. On the other hand, Creator/JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.
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He said it'd be hard to see his daughter because it'd remind him of his wife, this is a weird and creepy stretch


* IncestSubtext: Todd's "Johanna (Reprise)", hinting it would be dangerous for him to meet Johanna if she looks too much like her mother...
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* SpiritualSuccessor: To Burton’s previous film, ''Film/SleepyHollow1999''. Both are gory Victorian murder stories starring Johnny Depp.
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** For the Victorian audience, this story made a simple and normal trip to the barber's, or a pie shop, very creepy. For the typical modern audience, it made the straight razor unsettlingly best known as a weapon of murder; and even though the modern viewer has far less need to worry that their barber's going to slit their throat, the story amps up the dread that someone who's apparently completely sane and mundane will suddenly turn on you when you're defenceless and least expecting it -- or tamper in some dangerous or disgusting way with your food.

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** For the Victorian audience, this story made a simple and normal trip to the barber's, or a pie shop, very creepy. For the typical modern audience, it made the straight razor unsettlingly best known as a weapon of murder; and murder. And even though the modern viewer has far less need to worry that their barber's going to slit their throat, the story amps up the dread that someone who's apparently completely sane and mundane will suddenly turn on you when you're defenceless and least expecting it -- or tamper in some dangerous or disgusting way with your food.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Hey, that's [[Literature/{{Twilight}} Caius]]/[[spoiler:[[Series/StrangerThings Vecna]]]] playing Anthony!

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Hey, that's [[Literature/{{Twilight}} [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga Caius]]/[[spoiler:[[Series/StrangerThings Vecna]]]] playing Anthony!
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** For the Victorian audience, this story made a simple and normal trip to the barber's, or a pie shop, very creepy. For the typical modern audience, this story has made the straight razor unsettlingly best known as a weapon of murder; and even though the modern viewer has far less need to worry that their barber's going to slit their throat, the story amps up the dread that someone who's apparently completely sane and mundane will suddenly turn on you when you're defenceless and least expecting it, or tamper in some dangerous or disgusting way with your food.

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** For the Victorian audience, this story made a simple and normal trip to the barber's, or a pie shop, very creepy. For the typical modern audience, this story has it made the straight razor unsettlingly best known as a weapon of murder; and even though the modern viewer has far less need to worry that their barber's going to slit their throat, the story amps up the dread that someone who's apparently completely sane and mundane will suddenly turn on you when you're defenceless and least expecting it, it -- or tamper in some dangerous or disgusting way with your food.
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: "A Little Priest" crosses multiple lines, as it not only has Todd and Mrs. Lovett singing about killing people and putting them into pies, but also cracking numerous terrible puns about their potential victims.
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** For the Victorian audience, this story made a simple and normal trip to the barber's, or a pie shop, very creepy. For the typical modern audience, this story has made the straight razor unsettlingly best known as a weapon of murder, and even though the modern viewer has far less need to worry that their barber's going to slit their throat, the story amps up the dread that someone who's apparently completely sane and mundane will suddenly turn on you when you're defenceless and least expecting it, or tamper in some dangerous or disgusting way with your food.

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** For the Victorian audience, this story made a simple and normal trip to the barber's, or a pie shop, very creepy. For the typical modern audience, this story has made the straight razor unsettlingly best known as a weapon of murder, murder; and even though the modern viewer has far less need to worry that their barber's going to slit their throat, the story amps up the dread that someone who's apparently completely sane and mundane will suddenly turn on you when you're defenceless and least expecting it, or tamper in some dangerous or disgusting way with your food.
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ZCO; additionally, Judge Turpin is the Big Bad, so he doesn't fit the criteria for Ensemble Darkhorse.


* EnsembleDarkhorse: Creator/AlanRickman as Judge Turpin and Creator/TimothySpall as the Beadle.
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** While Sweeney doesn't kill a man who comes in with his daughter mostly for [[PragmaticVillainy practical reasons]], some products have him give her a piece of candy or something, [[PetTheDog which is nice]].

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** While Sweeney doesn't kill a man who comes in with his daughter mostly for [[PragmaticVillainy practical reasons]], some products productions have him give her a piece of candy or something, [[PetTheDog which is nice]].
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** Todd probably more so. True, his [[KillEmAll method of vengeance once he snaps]] doesn't invite much sympathy, but his reasons for snapping? Just try not to feel the least bit sorry for him -- you'll probably find it's nearly impossible.

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** Todd probably more so. True, his [[KillEmAll method of vengeance once he snaps]] snaps doesn't invite much sympathy, but his reasons for snapping? Just try not to feel the least bit sorry for him -- you'll probably find it's nearly impossible.

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* BrokenBase: As is normally the case with shows, trying to discuss whoever played the title role (or Mrs Lovett) the best ''will'' bring the normally-peaceful fandom into an uproar, particularly when limited to the versions available on film. There's also a minor BrokenBase over which concert version (2001 or 2014) is better in terms of spectacle and telling the story. Similarly, the "child Toby" vs "mentally challenged Toby" debates quickly tend to become this.

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As is normally the case with shows, trying to discuss whoever played the title role (or Mrs Lovett) the best ''will'' bring the normally-peaceful fandom into an uproar, particularly when limited to the versions available on film. There's also a minor BrokenBase over which concert version (2001 or 2014) is better in terms of spectacle and telling the story. Similarly, the "child Toby" vs "mentally challenged Toby" debates quickly tend to become this.



* HoYay: In the movie, there seem to be overtones of this between Beadle Bamford and Judge Turpin, mostly coming from Bamford's end, though it IS kinda odd that he seems to spend so much time with the judge...
** Notably, in the stage musical it's made clear in the reprise of "The Barber and His Wife" that both Turpin and Bamford have a thing for Lucy. In the movie, however, the lyrics are changed so that only the Judge's affections are mentioned.

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* HoYay: In the movie, there seem to be overtones of this between Beadle Bamford and Judge Turpin, mostly coming from Bamford's end, though it IS kinda odd that he seems to spend so much time with the judge...
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judge. Notably, in the stage musical it's made clear in the reprise of "The Barber and His Wife" that both Turpin and Bamford have a thing for Lucy. In the movie, however, the lyrics are changed so that only the Judge's affections are mentioned.



* ParanoiaFuel: For the Victorian audience, this story made a simple and normal trip to the barber's, or a pie shop, very creepy. For the typical modern audience, this story has made the straight razor unsettlingly best known as a weapon of murder, and even though the modern viewer has far less need to worry that their barber's going to slit their throat, the story amps up the dread that someone who's apparently completely sane and mundane will suddenly turn on you when you're defenceless and least expecting it, or tamper in some dangerous or disgusting way with your food.

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* HarsherInHindsight: A character played by Creator/JohnnyDepp suffering for years on a false charge.
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** What does Todd mean when he remarks that Johanna might "look too much" like her mother Lucy, and why does this make him reluctant to see her again? Would the resemblance just be too painful for him to see, since Lucy is gone? Or is he afraid that he'll be tempted to [[IncestSubtext treat Johanna as a Lucy substitute]]?

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