History YMMV / SuikodenTierkreis

* TearJerker: [[spoiler:Cougar's fate.]]

* GoddamnedBats: Practically everything in the VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon. They deal too much damage for mooks, award too little EXP, and you can't hoard their VendorTrash drops, meaning that after a while, battling them is completely pointless.

** To elaborate, there's Roberto's {{Tsundere}} tendencies, usually reserved for the main character, Jale's unquestioning loyalty and affection, also towards the main character, and Chrodechild and Fredegund's really, really close sisterly relationship, which is even [[LampShadeHanging mentioned]] by Asad.
** No mention of Sieg and Atrie? I'm surprised.
** No mention of Shams and Taj? Both are friendly loyal to each other, risking life and limb. Shams does his best to keep Taj happy [[spoiler:He goes so far as to order Taj not to touch a chronicle in case he becomes a starbearer because he wants to spare Taj the pain of knowing what happened to the Magedom. Taj, of course, isn't having of it, and manages to convince his prince to let him. They have several moments where you can tell that if it was fully animated instead of sprites there would be hugging.]]

** [[spoiler:The destruction of the Magedom, along with its million inhabitants. Made even worse when you see Manaril´s reaction.]]
*** Related to this one, there's a pair of nameless [=NPCs=]- a woman in the Magedom and her husband in Salsabil. If you talk to them, she's worried about him, and he's been putting a lot of effort into getting a present for her. [[spoiler:If you talk to him after the Magedom is erased, he's forgotten why he wanted it. And wonders why he started crying when you asked about his wife; he's single, after all.]]

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The most common complaint heard when ''Suikoden'' (specifically, ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'') nuts unaware of the game hear of what this installment lacks or has changed. The removal of the different combat system for [[DuelBoss Duel Bosses]] and war battles and the fact that it takes place in an AlternateContinuity adds fuel to the fire.

* MostAnnoyingSound: The hero's English voice, during his MotorMouth phase.

* {{Moe}}: '''Manaril'''. Even in-universe, she causes numerous characters to devolve into CutenessProximity mode.

** [[spoiler: Cougar, made worse by his people not remembering him when returns to them.]]

* TheScrappy: Namna, ''Namna,'' '''Namna.''' See ThatOneSidequest down below for why.

* StoicWoobie: [[spoiler:Nova.]]

* ThatOneSidequest: Recruiting Namna, who will only join you in a particular month, except that most of the time he won't.

* TheWoobie: Poor, poor BlessedWithSuck Manaril.
** Once their backstory is revealed, [[spoiler:Sophia]] and [[spoiler:Nova]] can qualify as well.
** [[spoiler: The Scribes]] are an entire ''race'' of [[TheWoobie woobies]].
** Shams.

* ThatOneLevel: The Coastal Cave, a confusing maze of dead ends and secret passages full of obnoxious enemies, and ''[[CharacterSelectForcing your party is fixed]]''. Of that fixed party, one character has no skills at this point, one can't have his equipment changed, and only one has a heal spell.

* NighhtmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/Suikoden Has its own page.]]

* NightmareFuel: Quite a number of elements of this game can qualify.
** How the followers of the Order of the One True Way, especially Cynas townspeople, live their life. Are those guys even human at all?
** [[spoiler:What happened to people when they were in a place where the world fusion occurred.]] Also overlaps with FateWorseThanDeath.
** And then there's Rarohenga, especially when you learn why the place is so twisted. Music doesn't help.
** [[spoiler: Macoute's]] transformation definitely counts. A pale bloated angel-blob ''crying tears of blood?!'' *shiver*
*** ''All'' of the OneWingedAngel moments. Even if the other monster forms (mostly) aren't all that creepy, the presentation of the accompanying SanitySlippage is... disturbing, to say the least.
*** At least the others' OneWingedAngel moment tend to showcase PhlebotinumOverdose, if anything. [[spoiler:Macoute]] [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity being reduced to a giggling wreck]] is just... unsettling.

** And then there's Mt. Svatgol. AwesomeMusic aside, the level is a gigantic pain in the ass. To start, you're forced to take Vaslof with you. While he's a phenomenal character who hits like a truck, he's also very, very slow, meaning escaping enemies becomes nigh impossible -- and since there are a lot of hidden passages in this dungeon filled with great equipment, that's a bad combination in a level with a high encounter rate in a game with an already annoying high encounter rate. It also doesn't help that the game subtly insists that you also take Zenoa with you for some extra scenes, who, like Vaslof, is also very good, but slow. God help you if you ''also'' take Resno, Vaslof's wife, who completes the trifecta for MightyGlacier party status.

* GameBreaker: DualWielding. Giving a character two mid-level swords will give them an attack bonus on par with many top-tier weapons. If you abuse the trade system, money isn't an issue ''and'' you can get higher-level weapons early, so it's not difficult to get everyone capable of it properly outfitted, either.

* PlayerPunch: It's ''{{Suikoden}}''; there's ''always'' Player Punches in ''Suikoden''.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The most common complaint heard when ''Suikoden'' (specifically, ''SuikodenII'') nuts unaware of the game hear of what this installment lacks or has changed. The removal of the different combat system for [[DuelBoss Duel Bosses]] and war battles and the fact that it takes place in an AlternateContinuity adds fuel to the fire.

* EnsembleDarkhorse - Arguably, Tsaubern and Buchse. They are pretty popular on Japanese fanbase. Also, Luo-Tao.

* GameBreaker - DualWielding. Giving a character two mid-level swords will give them an attack bonus on par with many top-tier weapons. If you abuse the trade system, money isn't an issue ''and'' you can get higher-level weapons early, so it's not difficult to get everyone capable of it properly outfitted, either.

* {{Moe}} - '''Manaril'''. Even in-universe, she causes numerous characters to devolve into CutenessProximity mode.
* MostAnnoyingSound - The hero's English voice, during his MotorMouth phase.
* {{Narm}} - Unfortunately, the voice acting can cause some parts of the game to fall into Narm territory.
* NightmareFuel - Quite a number of elements of this game can qualify.

* PlayerPunch - It's ''{{Suikoden}}''; there's ''always'' Player Punches in ''Suikoden''.

* ThatOneLevel - The Coastal Cave, a confusing maze of dead ends and secret passages full of obnoxious enemies, and ''[[CharacterSelectForcing your party is fixed]]''. Of that fixed party, one character has no skills at this point, one can't have his equipment changed, and only one has a heal spell.
* ThatOneSidequest - recruiting Namna, who will only join you in a particular month, except that most of the time he won't.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks - the most common complaint heard when ''Suikoden'' (specifically, ''SuikodenII'') nuts unaware of the game hear of what this installment lacks or has changed. The removal of the different combat system for [[DuelBoss Duel Bosses]] and war battles and the fact that it takes place in an AlternateContinuity adds fuel to the fire.
* ViewerGenderConfusion - Chrodechild's short hair and heavy armor have been known to throw off players until people start referring to her as "she."
* TheWoobie - Poor, poor BlessedWithSuck Manaril.