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*** The Xaositects faction in particular earns a lot of flak because their faction write up actually holds up ChaoticStupid as ''an ideal to live up to''. Needless to say, many [[GameMaster DMs]] ban party members from belonging to this faction.
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** Whether the Lady of Pain is a good concept, forcing limits on the setting by just existing, or is a ridiculous excuse for screwing players. This is ''not'' helped by the degree to which individual [=GMs=] can "get" the Lady.
*** Making this even more complicated in 2022 was the reveal in a [[https://www.expositionbreak.com/a-walk-through-the-planes-an-interview-with-monte-cook-ray-vallese-and-colin-mccomb/ retrospective interview]] with Monte Cook, Ray Vallese, and and Colin [=McComb=] that the Lady of Pain was an allegory for [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_Williams Lorraine Williams]] and Sigil was one for working at [[Creator/{{TSR}} TSR]] in general at the time. This raises questions about whether the Lady is simply ''dated'' conceptually, since by the time the [=5e=] ''Planescape'' set was scheduled to come out, Williams hadn't been involved with ''[=D&D=]'' in any capacity for a quarter-century.
*** Making this even more complicated in 2022 was the reveal in a [[https://www.expositionbreak.com/a-walk-through-the-planes-an-interview-with-monte-cook-ray-vallese-and-colin-mccomb/ retrospective interview]] with Monte Cook, Ray Vallese, and and Colin [=McComb=] that the Lady of Pain was an allegory for [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_Williams Lorraine Williams]] and Sigil was one for working at [[Creator/{{TSR}} TSR]] in general at the time. This raises questions about whether the Lady is simply ''dated'' conceptually, since by the time the [=5e=] ''Planescape'' set was scheduled to come out, Williams hadn't been involved with ''[=D&D=]'' in any capacity for a quarter-century.
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** Whether the Lady of Pain is a good concept, forcing limits on the setting by just existing, or is a ridiculous excuse for screwing players. This is ''not'' helped by the degree to which individual [=GMs=] can "get" the Lady.
***Lady. Making this even more complicated in 2022 was the reveal in a [[https://www.expositionbreak.com/a-walk-through-the-planes-an-interview-with-monte-cook-ray-vallese-and-colin-mccomb/ retrospective interview]] with Monte Cook, Ray Vallese, and and Colin [=McComb=] that the Lady of Pain was an allegory for [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_Williams Lorraine Williams]] and Sigil was one for working at [[Creator/{{TSR}} TSR]] in general at the time. This raises questions about whether the Lady is simply ''dated'' conceptually, since by the time the [=5e=] ''Planescape'' set was scheduled to come out, Williams hadn't been involved with ''[=D&D=]'' in any capacity for a quarter-century.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: One of the key writers for the campaign was Tony [=DiTerlizzi=], who would later go on to write Literature/TheSpiderwickChronicles (along with Creator/HollyBlack) and the Literature/{{WondLa}} series, both of which later became favorites of children's literature.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: One of the key writers for the campaign was Tony [=DiTerlizzi=], who would later go on to write Literature/TheSpiderwickChronicles (along with Creator/HollyBlack) and the Literature/{{WondLa}} series, both of which later became favorites of children's literature.literature.
* ViewerPronunciationConfusion:
** Just how does one pronounce baatezu, tanar'ri, or Xaositect anyways? ''A Player's Primer to the Outlands'' and ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' helped a bit, but not enough to stop endless arguments at the game table.
** Creator/{{TSR}} briefly ''did'' have a recorded pronunciation guide on their website. Not that this had any effect except to intensify arguments over whether they were "right."
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* ViewerPronunciationConfusion:
** Just how does one pronounce baatezu, tanar'ri, or Xaositect anyways? ''A Player's Primer to the Outlands'' and ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' helped a bit, but not enough to stop endless arguments at the game table.
** Creator/{{TSR}} briefly ''did'' have a recorded pronunciation guide on their website. Not that this had any effect except to intensify arguments over whether they were "right."
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*** Making this even more complicated in 2022 was the reveal in a [[https://www.expositionbreak.com/a-walk-through-the-planes-an-interview-with-monte-cook-ray-vallese-and-colin-mccomb/ retrospective interview]] with Monte Cook, Ray Vallese, and and Colin [=McComb=] that the Lady of Pain was an allegory for [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_Williams Lorraine Williams]] and Sigil was one for working at [[Creator/{{TSR}} TSR]] in general at the time. This raises questions about whether the Lady is simply ''dated'' conceptually, since by the time the [=5e=] ''Planescape'' set was scheduled to come out, Williams hadn't been involved with ''[=D&D=]'' in any capacity for a quarter-century.
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** The Faction War is a deeply controversial aspect of the setting, resulting in deep divides between those who loved the original factions and those who hated them. What makes this more contentious is that both 3rd and 4th edition used the post-Faction War version of Sigil as the default in their cosmologies.
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** The Faction War is a deeply controversial aspect of the setting, resulting in deep divides between those who loved the original factions and those who hated them. What makes this more contentious is that both 3rd and 4th edition used the post-Faction War version of Sigil as the default in their cosmologies. An ''immediate'' question among the fanbase when the [=5th=] Edition version of ''Planescape'' was announced was how, exactly, the new boxed set would follow up on all this.
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** Whether the Lady of Pain is a good concept, forcing limits on the setting by just existing, or is a ridiculous excuse for screwing players.
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** Whether the Lady of Pain is a good concept, forcing limits on the setting by just existing, or is a ridiculous excuse for screwing players. This is ''not'' helped by the degree to which individual [=GMs=] can "get" the Lady.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Shemeshka the Marauder is an arcanoloth of AmbiguousGender and one of the biggest influencers in Sigil. On top of [[CardCarryingVillain reveling in her]] [[NeutralEvil Neutral Evil-dom]], her popularity is presumably one of the reasons why the arcanoloths became their own race (the Ravaasta) in 4e's World Axis cosmology -- and it's certainly why Shemeshka was basically established as having obtained her desire of becoming ''the'' most powerful and influential woman in Sigil's 4e version.
* FanonDiscontinuity: You would be very hardpressed to find a self-described Planescape fan who likes 4th edition's "planar material", with the biggest sticking points being the replacing of the Great Wheel cosmology with the smaller, more compact and explicitly non-CharacterAlignment-based World Axis, and the insistence on using a post-Faction War version of Sigil. While fans of the 4e-era cosmology do exist, they tend to be rather uninterested in ''Planescape.''
* FanonDiscontinuity: You would be very hardpressed to find a self-described Planescape fan who likes 4th edition's "planar material", with the biggest sticking points being the replacing of the Great Wheel cosmology with the smaller, more compact and explicitly non-CharacterAlignment-based World Axis, and the insistence on using a post-Faction War version of Sigil. While fans of the 4e-era cosmology do exist, they tend to be rather uninterested in ''Planescape.''
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Shemeshka the Marauder is an arcanoloth of AmbiguousGender and one of the biggest influencers in Sigil. On top of [[CardCarryingVillain reveling in her]] [[NeutralEvil Neutral Evil-dom]], Evil-dom, her popularity is presumably one of the reasons why the arcanoloths became their own race (the Ravaasta) in 4e's World Axis cosmology -- and it's certainly why Shemeshka was basically established as having obtained her desire of becoming ''the'' most powerful and influential woman in Sigil's 4e version.
* FanonDiscontinuity: You would be very hardpressed to find a self-described Planescape fan who likes 4th edition's "planar material", with the biggest sticking points being the replacing of the Great Wheel cosmology with the smaller, more compact and explicitlynon-CharacterAlignment-based non-alignment-based World Axis, and the insistence on using a post-Faction War version of Sigil. While fans of the 4e-era cosmology do exist, they tend to be rather uninterested in ''Planescape.''
* FanonDiscontinuity: You would be very hardpressed to find a self-described Planescape fan who likes 4th edition's "planar material", with the biggest sticking points being the replacing of the Great Wheel cosmology with the smaller, more compact and explicitly
