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** Sal Manella is widely despised for his gross sprites, [[AbhorrentAdmirer creepy behavior towards Maya]], annoying LeetLingo gimmick, and how despite [[spoiler:helping Dee Vasquez in cover up her manslaughter of Jack Hammer and frame Will Powers,]] he apparently [[KarmaHoudini faces no charges]].

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** Sal Manella is widely despised for his gross sprites, [[AbhorrentAdmirer creepy behavior towards Maya]], annoying LeetLingo gimmick, and how despite [[spoiler:helping Dee Vasquez in cover up her manslaughter of Jack Hammer and frame Will Powers,]] he apparently [[KarmaHoudini faces no charges]].
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** Sal Manella is widely despised for his gross sprites, [[AbhorrentAdmirer creepy behavior towards Maya]], annoying LeetLingo gimmick, and how despite [[spoiler:helping Dee Vasquez in cover up her manslaughter of Jack Hammer and frame Will Powers,]] he apparently [[KarmaHoudini faces no charges]].
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** It's often claimed by fans that Yanni Yogi was found by the court to have been the culprit of DL-6, with him [[OffOnATechnicality avoiding punishment due to an insanity plea from his attorney]]. In actuality, it is stated many times that DL-6 was never officially resolved, and Yogi was declared innocent on a lack of evidence, not an insanity plea. Yogi's [[spoiler:faked]] insanity is actually implied to have been a tactic used by Hammond to discredit evidence, as the only other witness was suffering from TraumaInducedAmnesia.

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** It's often claimed by fans that Yanni Yogi was found by the court to have been the culprit of DL-6, with him [[OffOnATechnicality avoiding punishment due to an insanity plea from his attorney]]. In actuality, it is stated many times that DL-6 was never officially resolved, and Yogi was declared innocent on a lack of evidence, not an insanity plea. Yogi's [[spoiler:faked]] insanity is actually implied to have been a tactic used by Hammond to discredit evidence, as the only other witness was suffering from TraumaInducedAmnesia. It also would have made no sense for Misty Fey to be disgraced if Yogi was declared the culprit since that is what her channeling claimed.
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** Did Gregory Edgeworth really believe Yanni Yogi had killed him, or was he trying to protect his son Miles from being accused of the murder? While Grossberg considers the latter a possibility, Yogi's behavior before he and the Edgeworths lost consciousness means that Gregory would have reason to believe that Yogi was the murderer. Alternatively, [[https://youtube.com/watch?v=_wV2fkhcCTM this video]] interprets that Gregory really only suggested Yogi was the most probable culprit when pressed, but the prosecution {{Quote Mine}}d his testimony to sound more like direct accusation.

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** Did Gregory Edgeworth really believe Yanni Yogi had killed him, or was he trying to protect his son Miles from being accused of the murder? While Grossberg considers the latter a possibility, Yogi's behavior before he and the Edgeworths lost consciousness means that Gregory would have reason to believe that Yogi was the murderer. Alternatively, [[https://youtube.com/watch?v=_wV2fkhcCTM this video]] interprets that Gregory really only suggested Yogi was the most probable ''probable'' culprit when pressed, but the prosecution {{Quote Mine}}d his testimony to sound more like a direct accusation.



** The tendency for the third case(or fourth case in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice'') to be largely irrelevant to the main storyline began with this game, but ''Turnabout Samurai'' isn't nearly as unpopular as cases like ''Turnabout Big Top'', ''Recipe for Turnabout'' and ''[[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Turnabout Serenade]]''. Not only was it a BreatherEpisode between the two cases directly tied to DL-6, but it also helped Edgeworth undergo CharacterDevelopment after his first loss in court and established the Phoenix-Maya dynamic. Subsequent third cases didn't add nearly as much to the story or characters, leading many to see them as filler episodes.

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** The tendency for the third case(or case (or fourth case in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice'') to be largely irrelevant to the main storyline began with this game, but ''Turnabout Samurai'' isn't nearly as unpopular as cases like ''Turnabout Big Top'', ''Recipe for Turnabout'' and ''[[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Turnabout Serenade]]''. Not only was it a BreatherEpisode between the two cases directly tied to DL-6, but it also helped Edgeworth undergo CharacterDevelopment after his first loss in court and established the Phoenix-Maya dynamic. Subsequent third cases didn't add nearly as much to the story or characters, leading many to see them as filler episodes.
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** Did Gregory Edgeworth really believe Yanni Yogi had killed him, or was he trying to protect his son Miles from being accused of the murder? While Grossberg considers the latter a possibility, Yogi's behavior before he and the Edgeworths lost consciousness means that Gregory would have reason to believe that Yogi was the murderer.

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** Did Gregory Edgeworth really believe Yanni Yogi had killed him, or was he trying to protect his son Miles from being accused of the murder? While Grossberg considers the latter a possibility, Yogi's behavior before he and the Edgeworths lost consciousness means that Gregory would have reason to believe that Yogi was the murderer. Alternatively, [[https://youtube.com/watch?v=_wV2fkhcCTM this video]] interprets that Gregory really only suggested Yogi was the most probable culprit when pressed, but the prosecution {{Quote Mine}}d his testimony to sound more like direct accusation.
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** A prevalent way to mock the game's messed up legal system is the idea that [[spoiler:Miles Edgeworth]] and [[spoiler:Ema Skye]] would have been arrested if they were convicted of the {{Accidental Murder}}s they were alleged to have committed at times they were both minors (and in [[spoiler:Ema]]'s case, still underage by the time of the current trial). Except it was never actually stated anywhere they were at risk of legal punishment. Phoenix even notes to Lana that [[spoiler:Ema]] would not have been charged and in both cases the focus on proving them innocent is overall more about saving their reputations and mental states than preventing any real sentence.

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** A prevalent way to mock the game's messed up legal system is the idea that [[spoiler:Miles Edgeworth]] and [[spoiler:Ema Skye]] would have been arrested if they were convicted of the respective {{Accidental Murder}}s they were alleged to have committed at times they both were both minors (and in [[spoiler:Ema]]'s case, still underage by the time of the current trial).case). Except it was never actually stated anywhere they were at risk of legal punishment. Phoenix even notes to Lana that [[spoiler:Ema]] would not have been charged and in both cases the focus on proving them innocent is overall more about saving their reputations and mental states than preventing any real sentence.
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** A prevalent way to mock the game's messed up legal system is the idea that [[spoiler:Miles Edgeworth]] and [[spoiler:Ema Skye]] would have been arrested if they were convicted of accidentally killing [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth]] and [[spoiler:Neil Marshall]] respectively when they were both minors (and in [[spoiler:Ema]]'s case, still underage by the time of the current trial). Except it was never actually stated anywhere they would have been sent to jail if convicted. Phoenix even notes to [[spoiler:Lana]] that [[spoiler:Ema]] would not have been charged and in both cases the focus on finding them innocent is overall more about saving their reputations and mental states than preventing any real sentence.

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** A prevalent way to mock the game's messed up legal system is the idea that [[spoiler:Miles Edgeworth]] and [[spoiler:Ema Skye]] would have been arrested if they were convicted of accidentally killing [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth]] and [[spoiler:Neil Marshall]] respectively when the {{Accidental Murder}}s they were alleged to have committed at times they were both minors (and in [[spoiler:Ema]]'s case, still underage by the time of the current trial). Except it was never actually stated anywhere they would have been sent to jail if convicted. were at risk of legal punishment. Phoenix even notes to [[spoiler:Lana]] Lana that [[spoiler:Ema]] would not have been charged and in both cases the focus on finding proving them innocent is overall more about saving their reputations and mental states than preventing any real sentence.

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* CommonKnowledge: It's often claimed by fans that Yanni Yogi was found by the court to have been the culprit of DL-6, with him [[OffOnATechnicality avoiding punishment due to an insanity plea from his attorney]]. In actuality, it is stated many times that DL-6 was never officially resolved, and Yogi was declared innocent on a lack of evidence, not an insanity plea. Yogi's [[spoiler:faked]] insanity is actually implied to have been a tactic used by Hammond to discredit evidence, as the only other witness was suffering from TraumaInducedAmnesia.

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It's often claimed by fans that Yanni Yogi was found by the court to have been the culprit of DL-6, with him [[OffOnATechnicality avoiding punishment due to an insanity plea from his attorney]]. In actuality, it is stated many times that DL-6 was never officially resolved, and Yogi was declared innocent on a lack of evidence, not an insanity plea. Yogi's [[spoiler:faked]] insanity is actually implied to have been a tactic used by Hammond to discredit evidence, as the only other witness was suffering from TraumaInducedAmnesia.
** A prevalent way to mock the game's messed up legal system is the idea that [[spoiler:Miles Edgeworth]] and [[spoiler:Ema Skye]] would have been arrested if they were convicted of accidentally killing [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth]] and [[spoiler:Neil Marshall]] respectively when they were both minors (and in [[spoiler:Ema]]'s case, still underage by the time of the current trial). Except it was never actually stated anywhere they would have been sent to jail if convicted. Phoenix even notes to [[spoiler:Lana]] that [[spoiler:Ema]] would not have been charged and in both cases the focus on finding them innocent is overall more about saving their reputations and mental states than preventing any real sentence.

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* CompleteMonster:
** ''Turnabout Sisters'': [[spoiler:[[SmugSnake Redd White]] is the flamboyantly narcissistic [[CorruptCorporateExecutive CEO]] of Bluecorp, a company that specializes in "buying and selling information"--which translates to the systemic {{blackmail}} of hundreds. Redd White holds the lives of hundreds of people in his sway with his industrial blackmail, such as [[Characters/AceAttorneyTheFeyClan the Fey clan]], whom he ruined by exposing their part in the DL-6 investigation, and Marvin Grossberg, whom he's turned into his tormented stooge for 15 years by threatening to leave him to the police for his role in the DL-6 catastrophe. Redd has ruined so many lives he's driven [[IndirectSerialKiller a sizable amount of people]] to [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]], to the point it takes up the largest space in the evidence folder Mia Fey compiled against him. Redd personally murdered Mia [[HeKnowsTooMuch because of this]], attempting to frame her younger sister Maya for it. When Phoenix Wright comes onto the case, Redd attempts to frame Phoenix for Mia's murder.]]
** ''Turnabout Goodbyes'': [[spoiler:[[AmoralAttorney Manfred von Karma]] is an amoral prosecutor who [[ThePerfectionist uses underhanded tactics to maintain his perfect win streak]]. Manfred is desperate enough to preserve his winning streak that he takes to subjecting Jeffrey Masters to a whole year of psychological torment to break him into confessing, finally coercing him after spitefully threatening to get his beloved daughter convicted instead. When defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth gets him penalized in a trial by exposing his illegal tactics, Manfred [[DisproportionateRetribution becomes enraged despite still winning said trial]], taking the chance given by an earthquake striking the courtroom to catch up with Gregory and his son [[Characters/AceAttorneyMilesEdgeworth Miles]] in an elevator and murdering Gregory, leading to Edgeworth having nightmares about the fact he might have killed his father every day for 15 years. Taking Miles under his wing, Manfred raises him to become a cold, ruthless prosecutor who cares for nothing but always winning a guilty verdict. Setting up a second murder, Manfred plans to frame Miles for both it and his own father's death, intending to see his adoptive son convicted for murder as the [[RevengeByProxy final act of his revenge]] against Gregory.]]

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* CompleteMonster:
** ''Turnabout Sisters'': [[spoiler:[[SmugSnake Redd White]] is the flamboyantly narcissistic [[CorruptCorporateExecutive CEO]] of Bluecorp, a company that specializes in "buying and selling information"--which translates to the systemic {{blackmail}} of hundreds. Redd White holds the lives of hundreds of people in his sway with his industrial blackmail, such as [[Characters/AceAttorneyTheFeyClan the Fey clan]], whom he ruined by exposing their part in the DL-6 investigation, and Marvin Grossberg, whom he's turned into his tormented stooge for 15 years by threatening to leave him to the police for his role in the DL-6 catastrophe. Redd has ruined so many lives he's driven [[IndirectSerialKiller a sizable amount of people]] to [[DrivenToSuicide suicide]], to the point it takes up the largest space in the evidence folder Mia Fey compiled against him. Redd personally murdered Mia [[HeKnowsTooMuch because of this]], attempting to frame her younger sister Maya for it. When Phoenix Wright comes onto the case, Redd attempts to frame Phoenix for Mia's murder.]]
** ''Turnabout Goodbyes'': [[spoiler:[[AmoralAttorney Manfred von Karma]] is an amoral prosecutor who [[ThePerfectionist uses underhanded tactics to maintain his perfect win streak]]. Manfred is desperate enough to preserve his winning streak that he takes to subjecting Jeffrey Masters to a whole year of psychological torment to break him into confessing, finally coercing him after spitefully threatening to get his beloved daughter convicted instead. When defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth gets him penalized in a trial by exposing his illegal tactics, Manfred [[DisproportionateRetribution becomes enraged despite still winning said trial]], taking the chance given by an earthquake striking the courtroom to catch up with Gregory and his son [[Characters/AceAttorneyMilesEdgeworth Miles]] in an elevator and murdering Gregory, leading to Edgeworth having nightmares about the fact he might have killed his father every day for 15 years. Taking Miles under his wing, Manfred raises him to become a cold, ruthless prosecutor who cares for nothing but always winning a guilty verdict. Setting up a second murder, Manfred plans to frame Miles for both it and his own father's death, intending to see his adoptive son convicted for murder as the [[RevengeByProxy final act of his revenge]] against Gregory.]]
CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/AceAttorney here]].

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