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** [[spoiler:Yaldabaoth may have long since crossed it when he bestowed the power of Personas to Goro Akechi, knowing full well of the atrocities he may commit while abusing that power.]] However, his definitive moment would be his HopeCrusher moment when the Phantom Thieves first [[spoiler:confront the Holy Grail, where he slowly and painfully [[CessationOfExistence erases them from existence one by one]]. Afterwards, he as Igor orders Caroline and Justine to execute the Protagonist in a case of YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness, all the while gleefully watching them from the sidelines]]. Of course, [[spoiler:[[HeKnowsTooMuch considering how close you came to finding out the truth]], [[GenreSavvy he's also simply smart enough to know that he should get rid of you while he still can]]]]. It's interesting to note that in contrast to Shido, [[spoiler:his WeCanRuleTogether offer is actually genuine]].

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** [[spoiler:Yaldabaoth may have long since crossed it when he bestowed the power of Personas to Goro Akechi, knowing full well of the atrocities he may commit while abusing that power.]] However, his definitive moment would be his HopeCrusher moment when the Phantom Thieves first [[spoiler:confront the Holy Grail, where he slowly and painfully [[CessationOfExistence erases them from existence one by one]]. Afterwards, he as Igor orders Caroline and Justine to execute the Protagonist in a case of YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness, all the while gleefully watching them from the sidelines]]. Of course, [[spoiler:[[HeKnowsTooMuch considering how close you came to finding out the truth]], [[GenreSavvy he's also simply smart enough to know that he should get rid of you while he still can]]]].can]]. It's interesting to note that in contrast to Shido, [[spoiler:his WeCanRuleTogether offer is actually genuine]].


** Surprisingly, Masayoshi Shido. Despite his role as the [[spoiler:BigBad]] as well as his study of the mementos his role is somehow underutilized. For one thing unlike previous antagonists he can't enter the cognitive world or use a Persona, not to mention despite all his research it amounts to no real benefit him in [[spoiler:his palace]] as the only thing he could do is take [[spoiler:temporary death serum]] that amounted to nothing. Not to mention a major problem is how much of a flat CardCarryingVillain he comes as.

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** Surprisingly, Astonishingly, Masayoshi Shido. Shido himself. Despite his role as the [[spoiler:BigBad]] as well as his study of the mementos research on Mementos, his role is somehow winds up being underutilized. For one thing thing, unlike previous antagonists antagonists, he can't enter the cognitive world or use a Persona, not to mention despite all his research it amounts to no real said investigation, that doesn't benefit him in [[spoiler:his palace]] as the only thing he could do is take a [[spoiler:temporary death serum]] that amounted to accomplished nothing. Not to mention a A major problem issue is how much of a flat CardCarryingVillain he comes across as.



** Like Makoto, Ann's Confidant is often seen as one of the weakest stories for a Confidant due to a lack of focus on telling a interesting, or meaningful story. The Confidant starts with Ann wanting to understand how Personas work better, which is something that very few characters in the series that aren't associated with the Velvet Room or antagonists ask, with the initial focus being her trying to be more understanding of people in the hopes that it would help her better grasp her Persona. However, not long into it, the story abruptly becomes about Ann trying to become a better model and her rivalry with a fellow model named Mika, a shift that feels very disconnected from Ann's original reasons for wanting the protagonist to help her out. Jarringly the Confidant does deal with her relationship with Shiho, and has Ann help her through the trauma she suffered from [[spoiler:Kamoshida]], but this occurs towards the very end of the Confidant before shifting back to her modeling rivalry with Mika. With how the Confidant is written, it almost looks like an entirely different plotline was thrown in midway as it wasn't "interesting enough". The fact you don't get to go after Mika and change her heart means she gets away with ruining a lot of young models, which isn't helped by the fact that the game railroads the player into agreeing with Mika, [[JerkassHasAPoint which as much as her words might be true towards Ann]], leaves many with a sour taste since the player isn't given the chance to form their own opinion on the subject, and are effectively told they have to agree with Mika. Had Ann's Confidant focused on her trying to empathize and understand people better to make up for her own admittance of shame for not helping Shiho, it would've been debatably one of the best Confidants, but instead it feels like a confusingly structured story with a poor "villain" the player can't go after.
** Considering that the game uses Sae Niijima's interrogation of Joker as a FramingDevice to explain HowWeGotHere and that one of Joker's potential love interests is Makoto Niijima, many players were disappointed that Sae never once reacts to the revelation that the prime suspect of the Phantom Thieves case could be dating her younger sister. Whats worse about this is that the game has a few instances of DevelopersForesight where who you are in a relationship with is commented on or factored into even in voiced dialogue, such as Sojiro reacting differently if the player spends time with [[OverprotectiveDad Futaba]], or [[StudentTeacherRomance Kawakami]] on Valentines Day.
** Sojiro's history with [[spoiler:Shido and the reveal he knew about Wakaba's research into the Metaverse]]. For the former, the game drops various hints of their past history with Sojiro's knee-jerk reaction whenever he hears Shido's speeches on television, yet the games explanation of their history serves no real purpose in the story since Sojiro other than FlavorText more then an attempt to flesh him out. For the latter, Sojiro's [[spoiler:knowledge about Wakaba's research]] is a pretty big reveal, but ends up being pointless since it really doesn't accomplish anything in the story beyond giving him ties to Futaba. It would've been cool to see Sojiro help out the heroes by offering his experience and knowledge of the various problems they face in the [[spoiler:Metaverse]], or even help the group [[spoiler:figure out Shido's]] motives or plans. Instead both ideas seem to exist to justify why Sojiro knows Wakaba and explain why he would've adopted Futaba, which wouldn't have been an issue if both ideas were somewhat important and actually had an impact on the story in some way.

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** Like Makoto, Ann's Confidant is often seen as one of the weakest stories for a Confidant due to a lack of focus on telling a interesting, interesting or meaningful story.narrative. The Confidant starts with Ann wanting to understand how Personas work better, which is something that very few characters in the series that aren't associated with the Velvet Room or antagonists ask, with the initial focus being her trying to be more understanding of people in the hopes that it would help her better grasp her Persona. However, not long into it, the story abruptly becomes about Ann trying to become a better model and her rivalry with a fellow model named Mika, a shift that feels very disconnected from Ann's original reasons for wanting the protagonist to help her out. Jarringly the Confidant does deal with her relationship with Shiho, and has Ann help her through the trauma she suffered from [[spoiler:Kamoshida]], but this occurs towards the very end of the Confidant before shifting back to her modeling rivalry with Mika. With how the Confidant is written, it almost looks like an entirely different plotline was thrown in midway as it wasn't "interesting enough". The fact you don't get to go after Mika and change her heart means she gets away with ruining a lot of young models, which isn't helped by the fact that the game railroads the player into agreeing with Mika, [[JerkassHasAPoint which as much as her words might be true towards Ann]], leaves many with a sour taste since the player isn't given the chance to form their own opinion on the subject, and are effectively told they have to agree with Mika. Had Ann's Confidant focused on her trying to empathize and understand people better to make up for her own admittance of shame for not helping Shiho, it would've been debatably one of the best Confidants, but instead it feels like a confusingly structured story with a poor "villain" the player can't go after.
** Considering that the game uses Sae Niijima's interrogation of Joker as a FramingDevice to explain HowWeGotHere and that one of Joker's potential love interests is Makoto Niijima, many players were disappointed that Sae never once reacts to the revelation that the prime suspect of the Phantom Thieves case could be dating her younger sister. Whats What's worse about this is that the game has a few instances of DevelopersForesight where who you are in a relationship with is commented on or factored into even in voiced dialogue, such as Sojiro reacting differently if the player spends time with [[OverprotectiveDad Futaba]], or [[StudentTeacherRomance Kawakami]] on Valentines Day.
** Sojiro's history with [[spoiler:Shido and the reveal he knew about Wakaba's research into the Metaverse]]. For the former, the game drops various hints of their past history with Sojiro's knee-jerk reaction whenever he hears Shido's speeches on television, yet the games game's explanation of their history serves no real purpose in the story since Sojiro other than storyline outside of FlavorText more then rather than an attempt to flesh him out. For the latter, Sojiro's [[spoiler:knowledge about Wakaba's research]] is a pretty big reveal, but ends up being pointless since it really doesn't accomplish anything in the story beyond giving him ties to Futaba. It would've been cool great to see Sojiro help out the heroes by offering his experience and knowledge know-how of the various problems they face in the [[spoiler:Metaverse]], or even help the group [[spoiler:figure out Shido's]] motives or plans. Instead both ideas seem to exist to justify why Sojiro knows Wakaba and explain why he would've adopted Futaba, which wouldn't have been an issue if both ideas were somewhat important and actually had an impact on the story in some way.



** After it is revealed that the final boss is [[spoiler:Yaldabaoth]], some feel that the game did not take advantage of using a Gnostic theme.

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** After it is revealed that the final boss is [[spoiler:Yaldabaoth]], [[spoiler:Jaldabaoth]], some feel that the game did not take advantage of using a Gnostic theme.


** Surprisingly, Masayoshi Shido. Despite his role as the [[spoiler:BigBad]] as well as his study of the mementos his role is somehow underutilized. For one thing unlike previous antagonists he can't enter the cognitive world or use a Persona, not to mention despite all his research it amounts to no real benefit him in [[spoiler:his palace]] as the only thing he could do is take [[spoiler:temporary death serum]] that amounted to nothing. Not to mention a major problem is how much of a flat CardCarryingVillain he comes as. Unlike previous antagonists you never find out why Shido became the person today or why he [[spoiler:does all of his villainous acts.]] Instead, all you know about him is he is a jerk who wants money and power for the sake of having it. It doesn't help that the first antagonist of the game Kamoshida is much more complex of a character than he is.

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** Surprisingly, Masayoshi Shido. Despite his role as the [[spoiler:BigBad]] as well as his study of the mementos his role is somehow underutilized. For one thing unlike previous antagonists he can't enter the cognitive world or use a Persona, not to mention despite all his research it amounts to no real benefit him in [[spoiler:his palace]] as the only thing he could do is take [[spoiler:temporary death serum]] that amounted to nothing. Not to mention a major problem is how much of a flat CardCarryingVillain he comes as. Unlike previous antagonists you never find out why Shido became the person today or why he [[spoiler:does all of his villainous acts.]] Instead, all you know about him is he is a jerk who wants money and power for the sake of having it. It doesn't help that the first antagonist of the game Kamoshida is much more complex of a character than he is.

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** Surprisingly, Masayoshi Shido. Despite his role as the [[spoiler:BigBad]] as well as his study of the mementos his role is somehow underutilized. For one thing unlike previous antagonists he can't enter the cognitive world or use a Persona, not to mention despite all his research it amounts to no real benefit him in [[spoiler:his palace]] as the only thing he could do is take [[spoiler:temporary death serum]] that amounted to nothing. Not to mention a major problem is how much of a flat CardCarryingVillain he comes as. Unlike previous antagonists you never find out why Shido became the person today or why he [[spoiler:does all of his villainous acts.]] Instead, all you know about him is he is a jerk who wants money and power for the sake of having it. It doesn't help that the first antagonist of the game Kamoshida is much more complex of a character than he is.


** The identity of the traitor has been a magnet for fan speculation. As of now, the one most suspected of is Goro Akechi due to how little was revealed of him and one of the revealed shots revealing that, while he appears to be a fanboy of the Phantom Thieves, he finds their methods unacceptable. [[spoiler:It turns out to be him after all, despite him being [[CaptainObviousReveal the obvious choice]], though it does serve to [[RedHerring divert attention]] from the game's ''second'' big bad.]]
** [[spoiler:Goro Akechi's ultimate fate. Is he dead or still alive? We NeverFoundTheBody, so will he return in a future spinoff?]] Suffice to say, he's gained quite a lot of debate and speculation in the fanbase. %%[[https://i.redd.it/3uabxsdneau21.jpg A screenshot]] from the official Japanese trailer of the updated re-release, Persona 5 Royal, reveals that [[spoiler:he may have indeed survived and rejoined the team]]. Hiding this part until Royal actually comes out and we can confirm why he's there.

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** The identity of the traitor has been was a magnet for fan speculation. As of now, speculation, with the one most suspected of is being Goro Akechi due to how little was revealed of him and one of the revealed shots revealing that, while he appears to be a fanboy of the Phantom Thieves, he finds their methods unacceptable. [[spoiler:It turns out to be him after all, despite him being [[CaptainObviousReveal the obvious choice]], though it does serve to [[RedHerring divert attention]] from the game's ''second'' big bad.]]
** [[spoiler:Goro Akechi's ultimate fate. Is he dead or still alive? We NeverFoundTheBody, so will he return in a future spinoff?]] Suffice to say, he's gained quite a lot of debate and speculation in the fanbase. %%[[https://i.%% Don't unhide until Royal is released: [[https://i.redd.it/3uabxsdneau21.jpg A screenshot]] from the official Japanese trailer of the updated re-release, Persona 5 Royal, reveals that [[spoiler:he may have indeed survived and rejoined the team]]. Hiding this part until Royal actually comes out and we can confirm why he's there.



** Likewise, pretty much no-one predicted that Kasumi's Persona would be [[{{Literature/Cinderella}} Cendrillon]], especially since Cendrillon herself is not a thief, although the story of Cinderella is about rising above opression and injustice.

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** Likewise, pretty much no-one predicted that Kasumi's Persona would be [[{{Literature/Cinderella}} Cendrillon]], especially since Cendrillon herself is not a thief, although the story of Cinderella is about rising above opression oppression and injustice.injustice which fits in line with the story themes of ''Persona 5''.


** Shiho due to her [[NiceGirl kind nature]] (being one of the first students to actually talk to Joker like a normal person, as well as to talk to Ann without thinking first about Ann's MixedAncestry), her [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status and the [[SmallRoleBigImpact impact she has on the story]]. Many fans hope that if there's an expanded re-release ala ''Persona 4 Golden'' that Shiho gets her own Confidant role.

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** Shiho due to her [[NiceGirl kind nature]] (being one of the first students to actually talk to Joker like a normal person, as well as to talk to Ann without thinking first about Ann's MixedAncestry), her [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status and the [[SmallRoleBigImpact impact she has on the story]]. Many fans hope that if there's an expanded re-release ala ''Persona 4 Golden'' that Shiho gets can get her own Confidant role.role such as in ''the Royal''.


*** Shiho shall appear in more cutscnes in ''Royal'' if Ann's trailer is anything to go on. This fixes the TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter problem people had with Shiho.


** Another theory for ''Royal'' is that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. The first promo shots showed that Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana supposedly has a human body. Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball as well near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention, despite the fact that Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career. Ann's character trailer adds further fuel to the fire by revealing that Shiho is in Tokyo, very healthy and lacking bandages around her busted leg and seemingly very cheerful.[[note]]The penultimate rank of Ann's Confidant reveals that Shiho's parents have decided to have her transfer schools and has to leave Tokyo[[/note]]

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** Another theory for ''Royal'' is that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. The first promo shots showed that Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana supposedly has a human body. Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball as well near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention, despite the fact that Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career. Ann's character trailer adds further fuel to the fire by revealing that Shiho is in Tokyo, very healthy and lacking bandages around her busted leg and seemingly very cheerful.[[note]]The penultimate rank of Ann's Confidant reveals that Shiho's parents have decided to have her transfer schools and has to leave Tokyo[[/note]]Tokyo[[/note]] Yusuke's trailer only seems to make the theory more credible as he shows Joker the Sayuri at an art museum...and by Sayuri, we mean the genuine article -- the self portrait created by Yusuke's mother before she died and not the altered one that was claimed by Madarame as his masterpiece.


** Shiho shall appear in more cutscnes in ''Royal'' if Ann's trailer is anything to go on. This fixes the TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter problem people had with Shiho.

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** *** Shiho shall appear in more cutscnes in ''Royal'' if Ann's trailer is anything to go on. This fixes the TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter problem people had with Shiho.


** ''Persona 5 Royal'' Edition seeks to address some of the larger issues the game had with viewers.

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** ''Persona 5 Royal'' Edition seeks to address some of the larger issues the game had with viewers.


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** Shiho shall appear in more cutscnes in ''Royal'' if Ann's trailer is anything to go on. This fixes the TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter problem people had with Shiho.


** Another theory for ''Royal'' is that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. The first promo shots showed that Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana supposedly has a human body. Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball as well near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention, despite the fact that Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career.

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** Another theory for ''Royal'' is that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. The first promo shots showed that Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana supposedly has a human body. Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball as well near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention, despite the fact that Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career. Ann's character trailer adds further fuel to the fire by revealing that Shiho is in Tokyo, very healthy and lacking bandages around her busted leg and seemingly very cheerful.[[note]]The penultimate rank of Ann's Confidant reveals that Shiho's parents have decided to have her transfer schools and has to leave Tokyo[[/note]]


** Another theory for ''Royal'' is that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. The first promo shots showed that Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana supposedly has a human body. Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball as well near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention. If one remembers, Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career..

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** Another theory for ''Royal'' is that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. The first promo shots showed that Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana supposedly has a human body. Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball as well near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention. If one remembers, Convention, despite the fact that Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career..career.


** Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention. If one remembers, Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career, so either someone hit the ResetButton, or this could lead into the theory that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. It would explain why Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana has a human body.

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** Another theory for ''Royal'' is that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. The first promo shots showed that Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana supposedly has a human body. Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball as well near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention. If one remembers, Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career, so either someone hit the ResetButton, or this could lead into the theory that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. It would explain why Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana has a human body.career..

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** Ryuji's new character introduction for ''Royal'' throws a bit of a curveball near the end where he's talking to Nakaoka and Takeishi. Nakaoka is shocked to learn that Ryuji has been scouted by a university while the latter mentions that he was the champion of the National Convention. If one remembers, Ryuji's leg was broken by Kamoshida and ended his career, so either someone hit the ResetButton, or this could lead into the theory that Tokyo is under the effects of a LotusEaterMachine. It would explain why Wakaba Ishiki is alive and Morgana has a human body.


** [[EvilTeacher PE Coach Suguru Kamoshida]] is a dangerous [[SerialRapist sexual predator]]. Protected by the school administration due to his past fame as an Olympian, Kamoshida perversely extorts sexual favors from his female students. Forcing his male students into [[TrainingFromHell brutal training regimes]], Kamoshida often beats them, resulting in students of both genders living in constant fear of him. Seeking to shut down the track team, Kamoshida provokes their star athlete into punching him and breaks the boy's leg in "self-defense". When his "favorite" victim refuses to sleep with him, Kamoshida rapes her best friend in petty vengeance, resulting in the girl almost committing suicide.

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** [[EvilTeacher PE Coach Suguru Kamoshida]] is a dangerous [[SerialRapist sexual predator]]. Protected by the school administration due to his past fame as an Olympian, Kamoshida perversely extorts sexual favors from his female students. Forcing his male students into [[TrainingFromHell brutal training regimes]], Kamoshida often beats them, resulting in students of both genders living in constant fear of him. Seeking to shut down the track team, Kamoshida provokes their star athlete into punching him and breaks the boy's leg in "self-defense". When his "favorite" victim refuses to sleep with him, Kamoshida rapes her best friend in petty vengeance, resulting in the girl almost committing attempting suicide.

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