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** Shinjiro, of all people. Socially awkward? Check. [[HiddenHeartOfGold Rough on the outside, squishy in the inside]]? Check. All in sharp contrast in his [[JerkassFacade gruff appearance]]? Check.

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** Shinjiro, of all people. Socially awkward? Check. [[HiddenHeartOfGold Rough on the outside, squishy in the inside]]? Check. All in sharp contrast in his [[JerkassFacade gruff appearance]]? appearance? Check.

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* GeniusBonus: There's a clever reference to real-life events in the flavor text that only space enthusiasts are likely to catch. In ''Portable'', if you turn on the TV at the dorm's lounge on 6/11 of the in-game calendar, the newscaster will say "Japan's lunar probe completed its two-year observation at 3:25 AM today and made a controlled landing on the Moon." This is the exact time the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE SELENE]] [[http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/communication/KAGUYA_Lunar_Impact_e.htm lunar impact]] took place, although there seems to be a bit of AlternateHistory going on (or just a mistranslation) because, in reality, [[FanNickname "Kaguya"]] was a lunar orbiter that was made to crash near the crater Gill rather than a probe that safely landed on it.


** While not exactly popular in Japan, Ken gets a worse far rap from American audiences. His social link in ''Portable'', despite being heavily {{Bowdlerized}} and giving him more CharacterDevelopment, still toes toward [[LoliconAndShotacon shotacon]] territory, which remains an [[ValuesDissonance apocalyptic no-no]] for Western fans. Additionally, the localization changed his anger at himself over [[spoiler: Shinjiro's death]] to being angry over [[spoiler: not killing Shinjiro himself]], which makes him come off as unsympathetic; the localization further doesn't help him with inconsistent and grating voice acting.

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** While not exactly popular in Japan, Ken gets a worse far rap from American audiences. His social link in ''Portable'', despite being heavily {{Bowdlerized}} and giving him more CharacterDevelopment, still toes toward [[LoliconAndShotacon shotacon]] territory, which remains an [[ValuesDissonance apocalyptic no-no]] for Western fans. Additionally, the localization changed his anger at himself over [[spoiler: Shinjiro's [[spoiler:Shinjiro's death]] to being angry over [[spoiler: not [[spoiler:not killing Shinjiro himself]], which makes him come off as unsympathetic; the localization further doesn't help him with inconsistent and grating voice acting.



** The RonTheDeathEater treatment of Ken becomes this with the release of ''VideoGame/Persona5'' in regards to [[spoiler: Goro Akechi, who's considered to be a {{Foil}} to Ken (on account of being Justice arcana characters that lost their mothers and desire revenge; not to mention looking like an older version of him), except played as a far more villainous version of him. In addition, like Ken, some fans regard Akechi as being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic and he has gain some RonTheDeathEater treatment to the point that some of his haters started to harass cosplayers of Akechi (in which that is something that has never happened to Ken before).]]

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** The RonTheDeathEater treatment of Ken becomes this with the release of ''VideoGame/Persona5'' in regards to [[spoiler: Goro [[spoiler:Goro Akechi, who's considered to be a {{Foil}} to Ken (on account of being Justice arcana characters that lost their mothers and desire revenge; not to mention looking like an older version of him), except played as a far more villainous version of him. In addition, like Ken, some fans regard Akechi as being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic and he has gain some RonTheDeathEater treatment to the point that some of his haters started to harass cosplayers of Akechi (in which that is something that has never happened to Ken before).]]



* HesJustHiding: [[spoiler: The Fanbase believed this about the main character until the release of FES which revealed that he did in fact die, at least physically. However, Elizabeth states she's trying to find a way to bring him back in ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena''.]]

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* HesJustHiding: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Fanbase believed this about the main character until the release of FES which revealed that he did in fact die, at least physically. However, Elizabeth states she's trying to find a way to bring him back in ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena''.]]



** The name of the game's main antagonistic faction is just two letters off from that of [[{{Creator/Sega}} the company that would buy Atlus 7 years later,]] making it seem like retroactive BitingTheHandHumor.

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** The name of the game's main antagonistic faction is just two letters off from that of [[{{Creator/Sega}} [[Creator/{{Sega}} the company that would buy Atlus 7 years later,]] making it seem like retroactive BitingTheHandHumor.



* IdiosyncraticShipNaming: [[DefrostingIceQueen Mitsuru/Yukari]] is sometimes referred to as [[spoiler: "[=DaddyIssuesShipping=]."]]
* IronWoobie: Akinari is so positive during his last days.... [[spoiler: Even more so if you complete his S-Link, and his soul comes in to cheer for you in the last battle.]]

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* IdiosyncraticShipNaming: [[DefrostingIceQueen Mitsuru/Yukari]] is sometimes referred to as [[spoiler: "[=DaddyIssuesShipping=].[[spoiler:"[=DaddyIssuesShipping=]."]]
* IronWoobie: Akinari is so positive during his last days.... [[spoiler: Even [[spoiler:Even more so if you complete his S-Link, and his soul comes in to cheer for you in the last battle.]]



* ItWasHisSled: With the announcement of ''Dancing Moon Night'' and the jokes that come with it, it seems that [[spoiler: the main character's death]] has become this.
* JerkassWoobie:

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* ItWasHisSled: With the announcement of ''Dancing Moon Night'' and the jokes that come with it, it seems that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the main character's death]] has become this.
* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:



* MemeticTroll: [[spoiler:Nyx Avatar,]] the final boss of the game. With a massive roadblock of [[MarathonBoss thirteen phases]] and the tendency to repeat the same quote over and over again, fans are wondering if its deliberately trying to get on the player's nerves. But the high point is when [[spoiler: it unleashes [[ThatOneAttack ''Night Queen'']]]], as infamously displayed in DSP's playthrough where he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD87waPSvc4 rage quits the game]]. [[MemeticMutation The charm salt is real indeed.]]
* {{Moe}}:

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* MemeticTroll: [[spoiler:Nyx Avatar,]] the final boss of the game. With a massive roadblock of [[MarathonBoss thirteen phases]] and the tendency to repeat the same quote over and over again, fans are wondering if its deliberately trying to get on the player's nerves. But the high point is when [[spoiler: it [[spoiler:it unleashes [[ThatOneAttack ''Night Queen'']]]], as infamously displayed in DSP's playthrough where he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD87waPSvc4 rage quits the game]]. [[MemeticMutation The charm salt is real indeed.]]
* {{Moe}}: {{Moe}}:



---> I never felt like... Cemented lightbulb...

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---> I --->I never felt like... Cemented lightbulb...



** Takaya crosses this by [[WouldHurtAChild trying to kill Ken, an elementary schooler]], when Ken [[IAmSpartacus claims to be]] the MissionControl for S.E.E.S., resulting in [[spoiler:Shinjiro dying while protecting Ken]]. Although, the MisaimedFandom would rather portray this to be [[spoiler: Ken's]] MoralEventHorizon over Takaya's.

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** Takaya crosses this by [[WouldHurtAChild trying to kill Ken, an elementary schooler]], when Ken [[IAmSpartacus claims to be]] the MissionControl for S.E.E.S., resulting in [[spoiler:Shinjiro dying while protecting Ken]]. Although, the MisaimedFandom would rather portray this to be [[spoiler: Ken's]] [[spoiler:Ken's]] MoralEventHorizon over Takaya's.



** Mitsuru also gets it to a lesser extent. Her joining Yukari in [[spoiler: going back to prevent the Protagonist's death, risking the revival of Nyx]] [[PillarsOfMoralCharacter largely because she feels indebted to her]] has led some to believe that her intellect has become an InformedAttribute.

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** Mitsuru also gets it to a lesser extent. Her joining Yukari in [[spoiler: going [[spoiler:going back to prevent the Protagonist's death, risking the revival of Nyx]] [[PillarsOfMoralCharacter largely because she feels indebted to her]] has led some to believe that her intellect has become an InformedAttribute.



* RonTheDeathEater: Probably the biggest reason why Ken is seen as TheScrappy by many. Some people hate Ken just for hating [[spoiler: and wanting to kill]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse Shinjiro]], despite having understandable (albeit disproportionate) reasons for doing so. A fair amount of people ignore the fact that Shinjiro actually is accountable for the death of Ken's mother. In fact, some fans blame Ken entirely for [[spoiler: Shinjiro's death despite the fact that Shinjiro voluntarily died for him without Ken asking him to]]. And many would have preferred that [[spoiler: Ken died instead.]] And they seem to ''[[KarmaHoudini completely forget]]'' [[spoiler: [[TheDragon Takaya]], you know, ''the guy who actually killed Shinjiro.'']] While Ken had admittedly [[spoiler: put himself and Shinjiro in the situation by calling for the meeting during the fight with the Strength and Fortune Shadows]], it isn't exactly 100% his fault.
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** While there are members of S.E.E.S. who are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]], Ken Amada is considered to have the least number of fans. This is due to his similarly [[DullSurprise uncharismatic English voice acting]], vehement dislike for Shinjiro (the dub even made it more explicit - see JerkassWoobie below), claims that he's out of place in the cast (despite a dog and robot being on the team) inclusion as a romance option (unless you like shotacon), [[OvershadowedByAwesome rather average combat stats]], a balanced skill-set that [[MasterOfNone is outclassed by other characters]] - with his [[OneHitKO one]] [[LightEmUp specialty]] being useless for bosses -and can be done more easily with the protagonist, and [[DemotedToExtra gradual lack of prominence]] after his confrontation with Shinjiro. His ''[=P3P=]'' incarnation, on the other hand, is much more [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap well-liked]], due to giving him a role beyond being DemotedToExtra by making him a Social Link evidently, it's much more easier to find fanart of him with the female protagonist than standalone art of him.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Probably the biggest reason why Ken is seen as TheScrappy by many. Some people hate Ken just for hating [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and wanting to kill]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse Shinjiro]], despite having understandable (albeit disproportionate) reasons for doing so. A fair amount of people ignore the fact that Shinjiro actually is accountable for the death of Ken's mother. In fact, some fans blame Ken entirely for [[spoiler: Shinjiro's [[spoiler:Shinjiro's death despite the fact that Shinjiro voluntarily died for him without Ken asking him to]]. And many would have preferred that [[spoiler: Ken [[spoiler:Ken died instead.]] And they seem to ''[[KarmaHoudini completely forget]]'' [[spoiler: [[TheDragon [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Takaya]], you know, ''the guy who actually killed Shinjiro.'']] While Ken had admittedly [[spoiler: put [[spoiler:put himself and Shinjiro in the situation by calling for the meeting during the fight with the Strength and Fortune Shadows]], it isn't exactly 100% his fault.
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** While there are members of S.E.E.S. who are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]], Ken Amada is considered to have the least number of fans. This is due to his similarly [[DullSurprise uncharismatic English voice acting]], vehement dislike for Shinjiro (the dub even made it more explicit - see JerkassWoobie below), claims that he's out of place in the cast (despite a dog and robot being on the team) inclusion as a romance option (unless you like shotacon), [[OvershadowedByAwesome rather average combat stats]], a balanced skill-set that [[MasterOfNone is outclassed by other characters]] - with his [[OneHitKO one]] [[LightEmUp specialty]] being useless for bosses -and can be done more easily with the protagonist, and [[DemotedToExtra gradual lack of prominence]] after his confrontation with Shinjiro. His ''[=P3P=]'' incarnation, on the other hand, is much more [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap well-liked]], due to giving him a role beyond being DemotedToExtra by making him a Social Link evidently, it's much more easier to find fanart of him with the female protagonist than standalone art of him. him.



** [[spoiler: Night Queen]], the final boss's most powerful attack, [[TurnsRed which it will only use once it has only a remaining third of HP of its]] [[MarathonBoss fourteenth lifebar.]] It deals massive Almighty damage to the party, and has the capability of inflicting any status effect on the party. Worst case scenario, if one or more of your party members is killed, charmed, enraged or inflicted with fear, you have pretty much no hope of victory at this point. If just ''the protagonist'' is enraged or charmed, it can be just as bad if the protagonist had a persona that healed, since then [[NiceJobBreakingItHero YOU can end up FULLY healing (*6000* HP) the FinalBoss]], or getting your team in a nearly hopeless position depending on the tactics you had on them when you got enraged and can't heal the team. That [[spoiler: Nyx Avatar]] mix things up with Moonless Gown, which allows it to repel ''everything'' you throw at it for a few turns, you can potentially end up screwing yourself over depending on how everything goes.

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** [[spoiler: Night [[spoiler:Night Queen]], the final boss's most powerful attack, [[TurnsRed which it will only use once it has only a remaining third of HP of its]] [[MarathonBoss fourteenth lifebar.]] It deals massive Almighty damage to the party, and has the capability of inflicting any status effect on the party. Worst case scenario, if one or more of your party members is killed, charmed, enraged or inflicted with fear, you have pretty much no hope of victory at this point. If just ''the protagonist'' is enraged or charmed, it can be just as bad if the protagonist had a persona that healed, since then [[NiceJobBreakingItHero YOU can end up FULLY healing (*6000* HP) the FinalBoss]], or getting your team in a nearly hopeless position depending on the tactics you had on them when you got enraged and can't heal the team. That [[spoiler: Nyx [[spoiler:Nyx Avatar]] mix things up with Moonless Gown, which allows it to repel ''everything'' you throw at it for a few turns, you can potentially end up screwing yourself over depending on how everything goes.



** Ken. As pointed out above, many people very much would prefer if [[spoiler: he had died instead of Shinjiro. However, what many people forget is that Takaya was going to kill ''him'' '''first'''. Given that you've known him much longer than Shinjiro, he's only a grade-schooler, and is much less useful party-wise than him, players would've been hit just as hard if not harder while not missing his skillset in battle. It would've been a huge wham moment given Ken wanted to avenge his mother's death, and now Shinjiro would've been responsible for Ken's too.]] Besides that, he is also hit with a case of DemotedToExtra after his arc was over and doesn't really do anything for the rest of the game, which serves as another point of contention for his character.

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** Ken. As pointed out above, many people very much would prefer if [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he had died instead of Shinjiro. However, what many people forget is that Takaya was going to kill ''him'' '''first'''. Given that you've known him much longer than Shinjiro, he's only a grade-schooler, and is much less useful party-wise than him, players would've been hit just as hard if not harder while not missing his skillset in battle. It would've been a huge wham moment given Ken wanted to avenge his mother's death, and now Shinjiro would've been responsible for Ken's too.]] Besides that, he is also hit with a case of DemotedToExtra after his arc was over and doesn't really do anything for the rest of the game, which serves as another point of contention for his character.



** So, one of your [[spoiler: best friends has been shot]] and is nearly dead. Maybe, just maybe ''use a healing spell''? But no, [[GameplayAndStorySegregation none of the seven party members, five of whom have access to these, think of doing that]], instead lamenting that as it's the Dark Hour, electrical equipment is useless and taking him to the hospital likely won't help. The manga adaptation somewhat addresses this, since Yukari, the most healing-oriented party member, is the only one shown using healing spells, and at the time, [[spoiler:Akihiko and Ken]] are the only ones present besides the dying [[spoiler:Shinjiro]].

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** So, one of your [[spoiler: best [[spoiler:best friends has been shot]] and is nearly dead. Maybe, just maybe ''use a healing spell''? But no, [[GameplayAndStorySegregation none of the seven party members, five of whom have access to these, think of doing that]], instead lamenting that as it's the Dark Hour, electrical equipment is useless and taking him to the hospital likely won't help. The manga adaptation somewhat addresses this, since Yukari, the most healing-oriented party member, is the only one shown using healing spells, and at the time, [[spoiler:Akihiko and Ken]] are the only ones present besides the dying [[spoiler:Shinjiro]].



** In the UpdatedRerelease, ''Persona 3 Portable'', [[spoiler: Ken, the {{Jailbait}} AdorablyPrecociousChild, is a romance option with a "spend the night" event at S-Link level 10.]] [[ValuesDissonance This was heavily edited in the US version.]]

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** In the UpdatedRerelease, ''Persona 3 Portable'', [[spoiler: Ken, [[spoiler:Ken, the {{Jailbait}} AdorablyPrecociousChild, is a romance option with a "spend the night" event at S-Link level 10.]] [[ValuesDissonance This was heavily edited in the US version.]]

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** This isn't [[Manga/{{Gintama}} the first time]] a character voiced by Creator/AkiraIshida has hung out with a person named Elizabeth.


* AccidentalInnuendo: Ryoji will not stop talking about [[spoiler:being inside of the protagonist. [[https://twitter.com/PersonaOOC/status/1184212349110181889 Especially]] if playing as the female protagonist]], because ''[[OptionalSexualEncounter that can happen.]]''

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* AccidentalInnuendo: Ryoji will not stop talking about [[spoiler:being inside of the protagonist. [[https://twitter.com/PersonaOOC/status/1184212349110181889 Especially]] if playing as the female protagonist]], because ''[[OptionalSexualEncounter that that]] [[DidYouJustRomanceCthulu can happen.]]''


%% This page is about Persona 3, not Vic Mignogna.


* FanPreferredCouple:
** In the case of ''Persona 3 Portable'', Female Protagonist/Shinjiro [[spoiler:due to the fact that completing his S.Link actually gives the player the ability to prevent his death]]. Some official side materials have jumped on this ship: they have some interaction in the ''Persona 3 Portable'' CD Drama, and they actually ''are'' paired up in the stage play.
** Junpei and the Female MC have gotten a lot of support for their PlatonicLifePartners portrayal.
** While the Male MC is tied surprisingly evenly to all the female SEES, [[BaseBreakingCharacter Yukari and Aigis']] status and [[TheScrappy Fuuka's]] rather grating voice has given Mitsuru a slight edge.
** For couplings not involving either MC, Junpei/Chidori received a decent amount of traction for CharacterDevelopment their story-driven relationship gives them.
%%** MC/Mitsuru, MC/Aigis and MC/Elizabeth are closely tied in popularity.

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* FanPreferredCouple:
** In the case of ''Persona 3 Portable'', Female Protagonist/Shinjiro [[spoiler:due to the fact that completing his S.Link actually gives the player the ability to prevent his death]]. Some official side materials have jumped on this ship: they have some interaction in the ''Persona 3 Portable'' CD Drama, and they actually ''are'' paired up in the stage play.
** Junpei and the Female MC have gotten a lot of support for their PlatonicLifePartners portrayal.
** While the Male MC is tied surprisingly evenly to all the female SEES, [[BaseBreakingCharacter Yukari and Aigis']] status and [[TheScrappy Fuuka's]] rather grating voice has given Mitsuru a slight edge.
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FanPreferredCouple: For couplings not involving either MC, Junpei/Chidori received a decent amount of traction for CharacterDevelopment their story-driven relationship gives them.
%%** MC/Mitsuru, MC/Aigis and MC/Elizabeth are closely tied in popularity.
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** The collected Volume I of the manga adaptation contains a crudely drawn comic from the manga's writer, Shuji Sogabe, thanking Atlus for releasing [[UpdatedRerelease Persona 3 FES]], but then noting that with the release of Persona 4 coming soon, it's making him nervous since any Persona 3 product is about to be overshadowed [[note]]Incidentally, he was right. The manga would be put on hiatus for several years once Persona 4 was released[[/note]]. His solution? Pleading with Atlus do ''another'' UpdatedRerelease. [[https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Persona_3_Portable Apparently somebody at Atlus liked that idea.]]

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*** If not for the reasons above, others dislike it for [[spoiler:outright [[KilledOffForReal confirming the death]] of the main character, who's fate was left amgiguous in the ending of ''The Journey''.]] It is for this reason that some players ignore ''The Answer'' entirely so that it's easier to believe that [[spoiler:[[HesJustHiding the main character was just taking a nap in the ending.]]]]


* MemeticTroll: [[spoiler:Nyx Avatar,]] the final boss of the game. With a massive roadblock of [[MarathonBoss thirteen phases]] and the tendency to repeat the [[MostAnnoyingSound same quote over and over again]], fans are wondering if its deliberately trying to get on the player's nerves. But the high point is when [[spoiler: it unleashes [[ThatOneAttack ''Night Queen'']]]], as infamously displayed in DSP's playthrough where he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD87waPSvc4 rage quits the game]]. [[MemeticMutation The charm salt is real indeed.]]

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* MemeticTroll: [[spoiler:Nyx Avatar,]] the final boss of the game. With a massive roadblock of [[MarathonBoss thirteen phases]] and the tendency to repeat the [[MostAnnoyingSound same quote over and over again]], again, fans are wondering if its deliberately trying to get on the player's nerves. But the high point is when [[spoiler: it unleashes [[ThatOneAttack ''Night Queen'']]]], as infamously displayed in DSP's playthrough where he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD87waPSvc4 rage quits the game]]. [[MemeticMutation The charm salt is real indeed.]]


* MostAnnoyingSound:
** The Hermit's screams every time you land an attack on it.
** Don't forget the sound Shadows make when they're a much lower level then you.
** Fuuka's English voice actress. [[Creator/MamikoNoto Her Japanese voice actress]], however, is much better received.
** "The Arcana is the means by which all is revealed..." You only said it ''how'' many damn times?!
** "Yes yes yes, my skill level has increased!" (Ken's level up quote)
** During the BonusBoss fight with Margaret in Portable, she [[BigNo yells "No!"]] ''every time you hit her'' (multiple times when suffering a CriticalHit), unlike in ''VideoGame/Persona4'', in which she only says that once she's defeated.
** The whimper made by shadows significantly weaker than you. You'll hear it pretty often if you're returning to a lower level of Tartarus to hunt some of them down for Velvet Room requests, since they run away from you there might be two or three of them in a room to make the noise, and they do not shut up until you move away or enter a battle.


** Ikutsuki being his usual PungeonMaster self during his recording. Was he deliberately putting on an act, since he presumably knew about the cameras, or is this proof that aspect of his personality was real?



** Fuuka. Unlike the previous two, Western players take more issue with her English voice actress. Her poor in-battle comments, due to their monotone delivery, had made a lot of people cringe every time she speaks during battles.

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** Fuuka. Unlike the previous two, Western players take more issue with her English voice actress. Her poor in-battle comments, due to their monotone delivery, had made a lot of people cringe every time she speaks during battles. Despite that, many people like Fuuka for being a cute and [[NiceGirl highly compassionate]] young woman, as well as one of the relatively well-adjusted party members.



** During the Rank 8 event of the Tower Social Link, Mutatsu will mistake the protagonist as his son, even if the currently played protagonist is a female.

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** During the Rank 8 event of the Tower Social Link, Mutatsu will mistake the protagonist as for his son, even if the currently played protagonist is a female.female. Granted, he is rather drunk at the time.



** "Yes yes yes, my skill level has increased!"

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** "Yes yes yes, my skill level has increased!"increased!" (Ken's level up quote)



* RonTheDeathEater: Probably the biggest reason why Ken is seen as TheScrappy by many. Some people hate Ken just for hating [[spoiler: and wanting to kill]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse Shinjiro]], despite having understandable (albeit disproportionate) reasons for doing so. A fair amount of people ignore the fact that Shinjiro actually is accountable for the death of Ken's mother. In fact, some fans blame Ken entirely for [[spoiler: Shinjiro's death despite the fact that Shinjiro voluntarily died for him without Ken asking him to]]. And many would have preferred that [[spoiler: Ken died instead.]] And they seem to ''[[KarmaHoudini completely forget]]'' [[spoiler: [[TheDragon Takaya]], you know, ''the guy who actually killed Shinjiro.'']] While Ken had admittedly [[spoiler: put Shinjiro and him in the situation]], it isn't exactly 100% his fault.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Probably the biggest reason why Ken is seen as TheScrappy by many. Some people hate Ken just for hating [[spoiler: and wanting to kill]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse Shinjiro]], despite having understandable (albeit disproportionate) reasons for doing so. A fair amount of people ignore the fact that Shinjiro actually is accountable for the death of Ken's mother. In fact, some fans blame Ken entirely for [[spoiler: Shinjiro's death despite the fact that Shinjiro voluntarily died for him without Ken asking him to]]. And many would have preferred that [[spoiler: Ken died instead.]] And they seem to ''[[KarmaHoudini completely forget]]'' [[spoiler: [[TheDragon Takaya]], you know, ''the guy who actually killed Shinjiro.'']] While Ken had admittedly [[spoiler: put himself and Shinjiro and him in the situation]], situation by calling for the meeting during the fight with the Strength and Fortune Shadows]], it isn't exactly 100% his fault.



** Hanging out with Social Links on days off. While it does give relationship points, unlike in the fourth and fifth games, you can't advance party member social links on those days, thus giving you fewer opportunities to rank up with them. Similarly, the fact that you can't advance school social links over the summer means that there's over a month in which you're unable to advance most social links (even if part of the time is spent training for the meet, and in summer classes).

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** Hanging out with Social Links on days off. While it does give relationship points, unlike in the fourth and fifth games, you can't advance party member social links on those days, thus giving you fewer opportunities to rank up with them. Similarly, the fact that you can't advance school social links over the summer means that there's over a month in which you're unable to advance most social links (even if part of the time is spent training for the meet, and in summer classes). While the subsequent two games have hang-out events that don't give rank ups, they often give points for multiple Social Links, which is not the case here.



** Ken, due to mainly specializing in Hama spells, and mainly only having single-target spells.



** So, one of your [[spoiler: best friends has been shot]] and is nearly dead. Maybe, just maybe ''use a healing spell''? But no, [[GameplayAndStorySegregation none of the seven party members, five of whom have access to these, think of doing that]], instead lamenting that as it's the Dark Hour, electrical equipment is useless and taking him to the hospital likely won't help.

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** So, one of your [[spoiler: best friends has been shot]] and is nearly dead. Maybe, just maybe ''use a healing spell''? But no, [[GameplayAndStorySegregation none of the seven party members, five of whom have access to these, think of doing that]], instead lamenting that as it's the Dark Hour, electrical equipment is useless and taking him to the hospital likely won't help. The manga adaptation somewhat addresses this, since Yukari, the most healing-oriented party member, is the only one shown using healing spells, and at the time, [[spoiler:Akihiko and Ken]] are the only ones present besides the dying [[spoiler:Shinjiro]].



* TheWoobie: Practically every member of SEES is a Woobie in one way or another, though these examples particularly stand out.
** Yukari. In ''The Journey'', she's spent the last ten years being ostracized because people blame her father for the explosion (and [[BrokenPedestal her faith in him is shaken]] when she sees his final video [[spoiler:which Ikutsuki had doctored]]). She also has a strained relationship with her mother, who'd been deeply wounded by Eiichiro's passing, so Yukari doesn't have a very good home life.
** Junpei. Growing up with an alcoholic and abusive dad and forced to move from the domes, and has deep-rooted issues such as low self-esteem and DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife. Then, he meets [[spoiler:Chidori whom he grows feelings for, only to realise that she was only using him to gain information.]] To twist the knife even further, [[spoiler:he ends up losing her when she sacrificed her own life to save him.]] Afterwards, [[spoiler:he loses his best friend as well, and could only helplessly watch as the rest of his team began fighting amongst themselves.]]
** Mitsuru Kirijo. She constantly dedicated her life to fix the mistakes her grandfather had made in the past, as well as protecting her father. However, her efforts ended up affecting her social skills and she ends up not having many friends sans Akihiko and Shinjiro. Then, she discovers that [[spoiler:her efforts to make amends were AllForNothing thanks to Ikutsuki's manipulations, and her father gets murdered protecting her soon afterwards.]]
** Shinjiro Aragaki. Despite being cold and aloof on the outside, deep down he has a lot of issues. Growing up an orphan alongside Akihiko, they end up losing Akihiko's sister in a fire. Joining [=SEES=] only serves to make his life worse, as his inability to control his persona properly [[spoiler:ended up killing Ken's mother by accident.]] As a result, he's forced to take suppressants to control his persona, but it gives him constant pain and implied to be slowly killing him. His social link in the female route only adds more woobie points as we see [[BruiserWithASoftCenter who he really is beneath that hard exterior]]. [[spoiler:Finally, he ends up sacrificing himself to save Ken from Takaya, even when the former attempted to seek revenge on him.]] He's left broken to the point that he's become a DeathSeeker.



** In the Japanese version, Mitsuru would sometimes [[GratuitousEnglish speak in English]] in order to highlight [[TheOjou how cultured she was]] in comparison to the rest of the SEES members. This was replaced with GratuitousFrench in the English Dub.
* TheWoobie: Practically every member of SEES is a Woobie in one way or another, though these examples particularly stand out.
** Yukari. In ''The Journey'', she's spent the last ten years being ostracized because people blame her father for the explosion (and [[BrokenPedestal her faith in him is shaken]] when she sees his final video [[spoiler:which Ikutsuki had doctored]]). She also has a strained relationship with her mother, who'd been deeply wounded by Eiichiro's passing, so Yukari doesn't have a very good home life.
** Junpei. Growing up with an alcoholic and abusive dad and forced to move from the domes, and has deep-rooted issues such as low self-esteem and DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife. Then, he meets [[spoiler:Chidori whom he grows feelings for, only to realise that she was only using him to gain information.]] To twist the knife even further, [[spoiler:he ends up losing her when she sacrificed her own life to save him.]] Afterwards, [[spoiler:he loses his best friend as well, and could only helplessly watch as the rest of his team began fighting amongst themselves.]]
** Mitsuru Kirijo. She constantly dedicated her life to fix the mistakes her grandfather had made in the past, as well as protecting her father. However, her efforts ended up affecting her social skills and she ends up not having many friends sans Akihiko and Shinjiro. Then, she discovers that [[spoiler:her efforts to make amends were AllForNothing thanks to Ikutsuki's manipulations, and her father gets murdered protecting her soon afterwards.]]
** Shinjiro Aragaki. Despite being cold and aloof on the outside, deep down he has a lot of issues. Growing up an orphan alongside Akihiko, they end up losing Akihiko's sister in a fire. Joining [=SEES=] only serves to make his life worse, as his inability to control his persona properly [[spoiler:ended up killing Ken's mother by accident.]] As a result, he's forced to take suppressants to control his persona, but it gives him constant pain and implied to be slowly killing him. His social link in the female route only adds more woobie points as we see [[BruiserWithASoftCenter who he really is beneath that hard exterior]]. [[spoiler:Finally, he ends up sacrificing himself to save Ken from Takaya, even when the former attempted to seek revenge on him.]] He's left broken to the point that he's become a DeathSeeker.

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** In the Japanese version, Mitsuru would sometimes [[GratuitousEnglish speak in English]] in order to highlight [[TheOjou how cultured she was]] in comparison to the rest of the SEES members. This was replaced with GratuitousFrench in the English Dub.
* TheWoobie: Practically every member of SEES is a Woobie in one way or another, though these examples particularly stand out.
** Yukari. In ''The Journey'', she's spent the last ten years being ostracized because people blame her father for the explosion (and [[BrokenPedestal her faith in him is shaken]] when she sees his final video [[spoiler:which Ikutsuki had doctored]]). She also has a strained relationship with her mother, who'd been deeply wounded by Eiichiro's passing, so Yukari doesn't have a very good home life.
** Junpei. Growing up with an alcoholic and abusive dad and forced to move from the domes, and has deep-rooted issues such as low self-esteem and DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife. Then, he meets [[spoiler:Chidori whom he grows feelings for, only to realise that she was only using him to gain information.]] To twist the knife even further, [[spoiler:he ends up losing her when she sacrificed her own life to save him.]] Afterwards, [[spoiler:he loses his best friend as well, and could only helplessly watch as the rest of his team began fighting amongst themselves.]]
** Mitsuru Kirijo. She constantly dedicated her life to fix the mistakes her grandfather had made in the past, as well as protecting her father. However, her efforts ended up affecting her social skills and she ends up not having many friends sans Akihiko and Shinjiro. Then, she discovers that [[spoiler:her efforts to make amends were AllForNothing thanks to Ikutsuki's manipulations, and her father gets murdered protecting her soon afterwards.]]
** Shinjiro Aragaki. Despite being cold and aloof on the outside, deep down he has a lot of issues. Growing up an orphan alongside Akihiko, they end up losing Akihiko's sister in a fire. Joining [=SEES=] only serves to make his life worse, as his inability to control his persona properly [[spoiler:ended up killing Ken's mother by accident.]] As a result, he's forced to take suppressants to control his persona, but it gives him constant pain and implied to be slowly killing him. His social link in the female route only adds more woobie points as we see [[BruiserWithASoftCenter who he really is beneath that hard exterior]]. [[spoiler:Finally, he ends up sacrificing himself to save Ken from Takaya, even when the former attempted to seek revenge on him.]] He's left broken to the point that he's become a DeathSeeker.
Dub.


** While there are members of S.E.E.S. who are BaseBreakingCharacters, Ken Amada is considered to have the least number of fans. This is due to his similarly [[DullSurprise uncharismatic English voice acting]], vehement dislike for Shinjiro (the dub even made it more explicit - see JerkassWoobie below), claims that he's out of place in the cast (despite a dog and robot being on the team) inclusion as a romance option (unless you like shotacon), [[OvershadowedByAwesome rather average combat stats]], a balanced skill-set that [[MasterOfNone is outclassed by other characters]] - with his [[OneHitKO one]] [[LightEmUp specialty]] being useless for bosses -and can be done more easily with the protagonist, and [[DemotedToExtra gradual lack of prominence]] after his confrontation with Shinjiro. His ''[=P3P=]'' incarnation, on the other hand, is much more [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap well-liked]], due to giving him a role beyond being DemotedToExtra by making him a Social Link evidently, it's much more easier to find fanart of him with the female protagonist than standalone art of him.

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** While there are members of S.E.E.S. who are BaseBreakingCharacters, [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]], Ken Amada is considered to have the least number of fans. This is due to his similarly [[DullSurprise uncharismatic English voice acting]], vehement dislike for Shinjiro (the dub even made it more explicit - see JerkassWoobie below), claims that he's out of place in the cast (despite a dog and robot being on the team) inclusion as a romance option (unless you like shotacon), [[OvershadowedByAwesome rather average combat stats]], a balanced skill-set that [[MasterOfNone is outclassed by other characters]] - with his [[OneHitKO one]] [[LightEmUp specialty]] being useless for bosses -and can be done more easily with the protagonist, and [[DemotedToExtra gradual lack of prominence]] after his confrontation with Shinjiro. His ''[=P3P=]'' incarnation, on the other hand, is much more [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap well-liked]], due to giving him a role beyond being DemotedToExtra by making him a Social Link evidently, it's much more easier to find fanart of him with the female protagonist than standalone art of him.


** [[ArtificialStupidity Marin]] [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[UselessUsefulSkill Karin]]!

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** Sharing stories about how the AI [[ArtificialStupidity did perhaps the worst possible move.]]
*** "Mitsuru, I'm dying. Heal me, please." "[[ArtificialStupidity
Marin]] [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[UselessUsefulSkill Karin]]!Karin]]!"



** Sharing stories about how the AI [[ArtificialStupidity did perhaps the worst possible move.]]



** The charm salt is real. [[labelnote:explanation]]Atlus's snarky remark to [[LetsPlay/TheKingOfHate DSP's]] playthrough of the game, where he infamously rage-quits the FinalBoss after accidentally healing them back to full health due to getting charmed.[[/note]]

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** The charm salt is real. [[labelnote:explanation]]Atlus's snarky remark to [[LetsPlay/TheKingOfHate DSP's]] playthrough of the game, where he infamously rage-quits the FinalBoss after accidentally healing them back to full health due to getting charmed.[[/note]][[/labelnote]]


** Fuuka's English voice actress as well as poor in-battle comments had made a lot of people cringe every time she speaks during battles.

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** Fuuka's Fuuka. Unlike the previous two, Western players take more issue with her English voice actress as well as actress. Her poor in-battle comments comments, due to their monotone delivery, had made a lot of people cringe every time she speaks during battles.



** Junpei also qualifies, prominently early in the story where his jealousy of the protagonist brings out his nastier side. He has a deep-rooted InferioritySuperiorityComplex, his jealousy stemming from the protagonist [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter outclassing him]] in something that Junpei felt made him unique.

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** Junpei Junpei's also qualifies, one, prominently early in the story where his jealousy of the protagonist brings out his nastier side. He But he has a deep-rooted InferioritySuperiorityComplex, his jealousy stemming from the protagonist [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter outclassing him]] in something that Junpei felt made him unique.



* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Shuji Ikutsuki.]] He manages to manipulate the whole of S.E.E.S. into doing his dirty work [[spoiler: by making S.E.E.S believe that killing all the twelve shadows would end the Dark Hour, when in reality, their deaths would revive Nyx and bring about The Fall. All the while, he poses as a wise mentor figure and PungeonMaster to cast any suspicion and doubt from himself. He even goes as far to doctor the last recording of Yukari's father to trick S.E.E.S. into thinking they would save the world. Even when he unceremoniously dies shortly after he drops his act, his mission to revive Nyx had already been successful.]]



* MemeticTroll: [[spoiler:Nyx Avatar,]] the final boss of the game. With a massive roadblock of [[MarathonBoss thirteen phases]] and the tendency to repeat the [[MostAnnoyingSound same quote over and over again]], fans are wondering if its deliberately trying to get on the player's nerves. But the high point is when [[spoiler: it unleashes [[ThatOneAttack ''Night Queen'']]]], as infamously displayed in DSP's playthrough where he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD87waPSvc4 rage quits the game]] in a SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}. [[MemeticMutation The charm salt is real indeed.]]

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** The charm salt is real. [[labelnote:explanation]]Atlus's snarky remark to [[LetsPlay/TheKingOfHate DSP's]] playthrough of the game, where he infamously rage-quits the FinalBoss after accidentally healing them back to full health due to getting charmed.[[/note]]
* MemeticTroll: [[spoiler:Nyx Avatar,]] the final boss of the game. With a massive roadblock of [[MarathonBoss thirteen phases]] and the tendency to repeat the [[MostAnnoyingSound same quote over and over again]], fans are wondering if its deliberately trying to get on the player's nerves. But the high point is when [[spoiler: it unleashes [[ThatOneAttack ''Night Queen'']]]], as infamously displayed in DSP's playthrough where he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD87waPSvc4 rage quits the game]] in a SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}.game]]. [[MemeticMutation The charm salt is real indeed.]]



** The experiments that resulted in the creation of the twelve Shadows and the Dark Hour are essentially this for everyone involved except for Yukari's father (who tried to stop it), especially [[spoiler:Ikutsuki, who still wants to destroy the world]].

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** The experiments that resulted in the creation of the twelve Shadows and the Dark Hour are essentially this for everyone involved except for Yukari's father (who tried to stop it), especially [[spoiler:Ikutsuki, who still wants to destroy the world]].world and tries to sacrifice S.E.E.S. once [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they outlived their usefulness]]]].



** Fuuka's English voice actress. [[Creator/MamikoNoto Her Japanese voice actress however...]]

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** Fuuka's English voice actress. [[Creator/MamikoNoto Her Japanese voice actress however...]]actress]], however, is much better received.



*** And even taking The Answer out of account, the Rank 5 event of her Social Link is one for her in the eyes of [[ValuesDissonance Western players]], where her social link will get reversed for choosing attempting to comfort her with a CooldownHug.



** Fuuka and Natsuki are disliked for their grating English voices, which isn't helped at all by the lack of the same extensive CharacterDevelopment found in, for example, Junpei.
** The one most disliked, however, would be Ken Amada, due to his similarly [[DullSurprise uncharismatic English voice acting]], vehement dislike for Shinjiro (the dub even made it more explicit - see JerkassWoobie below), claims that he's out of place in the cast (despite a dog and robot being on the team) inclusion as a romance option (unless you like shotacon), [[OvershadowedByAwesome rather average combat stats]], a balanced skill-set that [[MasterOfNone is outclassed by other characters]] - with his [[OneHitKO one]] [[LightEmUp specialty]] being useless for bosses -and can be done more easily with the protagonist, and [[DemotedToExtra gradual lack of prominence]] after his confrontation with Shinjiro. His ''[=P3P=]'' incarnation, on the other hand, is much more [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap well-liked]], due to giving him a role beyond being DemotedToExtra by making him a Social Link evidently, it's much more easier to find fanart of him with the female protagonist than standalone art of him.

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** Fuuka and Natsuki While there are disliked for their grating English voices, which isn't helped at all by members of S.E.E.S. who are BaseBreakingCharacters, Ken Amada is considered to have the lack least number of the same extensive CharacterDevelopment found in, for example, Junpei.
** The one most disliked, however, would be Ken Amada,
fans. This is due to his similarly [[DullSurprise uncharismatic English voice acting]], vehement dislike for Shinjiro (the dub even made it more explicit - see JerkassWoobie below), claims that he's out of place in the cast (despite a dog and robot being on the team) inclusion as a romance option (unless you like shotacon), [[OvershadowedByAwesome rather average combat stats]], a balanced skill-set that [[MasterOfNone is outclassed by other characters]] - with his [[OneHitKO one]] [[LightEmUp specialty]] being useless for bosses -and can be done more easily with the protagonist, and [[DemotedToExtra gradual lack of prominence]] after his confrontation with Shinjiro. His ''[=P3P=]'' incarnation, on the other hand, is much more [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap well-liked]], due to giving him a role beyond being DemotedToExtra by making him a Social Link evidently, it's much more easier to find fanart of him with the female protagonist than standalone art of him.



* StoicWoobie: Shinjiro may act like a tough-as-nails badass, but that only hides the baggage that he carries deep down.



* ValuesDissonance: In the "Operation Babe Hunt" sequence, the UnsettlingGenderReveal for the one woman who expresses interest in the male SEES members can come across as being ''horribly'' transphobic today, especially with how it's PlayedForLaughs at Junpei's expense.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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In the "Operation Babe Hunt" sequence, the UnsettlingGenderReveal for the one woman who expresses interest in the male SEES members can come across as being ''horribly'' transphobic today, especially with how it's PlayedForLaughs at Junpei's expense.expense.
** The Rank 5 event of Yukari's social link, as mentioned in ScrappyMechanic. It would seem like a natural move for Western players to give Yukari a CooldownHug as a way to comfort her, but that would end up reversing her social link instead. In Japanese society, such a public display of affection would be frowned upon, especially since the protagonist and Yukari have yet to be OfficialCouple at this point.

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