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** In the middle of the game, the producer of the Muses group has a reputation for [[CastingCouch taking advantage of the girls he manage]]. Given that [[spoiler:Lisa Silverman]] is part of the group, it becomes uncomfortable to watch given that her Voice Actress Creator/HirokoKonishi was in the situation of the CastingCouch.

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** In the middle of the game, the producer of the Muses group has a reputation for [[CastingCouch taking advantage of the girls he manage]]. manages]]. Given that [[spoiler:Lisa Silverman]] is part of the group, it becomes uncomfortable to watch given that her Voice Actress Creator/HirokoKonishi was once in the situation of the CastingCouch.a CastingCouch situation.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Many fans interpret Katsuya as being on the autism spectrum, due to numerous instances of being incredibly LiteralMinded and fixated on the rules, as well his tendency to frequently miss or misinterpret others' social cues.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: While still [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny showing its age]] as a [=PS1=] [=RPG=] in many ways, it's generally accepted that ''Persona 2'' is a massive improvement over [[VideoGame/{{Persona1}} its predecessor]], removing most of the [[ScrappyMechanic Scrappy Mechanics]] that bogged down the original game. Its writing is also held in a higher regard, with specific commendation given to its cast, narrative, and atmosphere. It's no wonder that even though Personas [[VideoGame/Persona3 3]], [[VideoGame/Persona4 4]], and [[VideoGame/Persona5 5]] are the more popular, well regarded iterations of the franchise, there is [[CultClassic a small portion of the fandom]] that still considers ''Innocent Sin'' and ''Eternal Punishment'' to be the amongst if not the best games in the franchise.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: While still [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny showing its age]] age as a [=PS1=] [=RPG=] in many ways, it's generally accepted that ''Persona 2'' is a massive improvement over [[VideoGame/{{Persona1}} its predecessor]], removing most of the [[ScrappyMechanic Scrappy Mechanics]] that bogged down the original game. Its writing is also held in a higher regard, with specific commendation given to its cast, narrative, and atmosphere. It's no wonder that even though Personas [[VideoGame/Persona3 3]], [[VideoGame/Persona4 4]], and [[VideoGame/Persona5 5]] are the more popular, well regarded iterations of the franchise, there is [[CultClassic a small portion of the fandom]] that still considers ''Innocent Sin'' and ''Eternal Punishment'' to be the amongst if not the best games in the franchise.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: While the constantly recurring plot thread of having an embodiment of some kind of human vice have become a tired trope in the series these days, it originally started here. The main difference that made it more acceptable here was that not only was it a new idea at the time, but the entity was more directly involved into the plot rather than being an endgame reveal and even being more personal to the characters, represented a broader concept rather than something specific, had an active opposite and was a fully fleshed out character in its own right.

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* ValuesDissonance: Tatsuya Sudou's ''Innocent Sin'' version is a person who is mentally ill, thrown out by his father instead of getting any help, suffers immensely from hearing voices and continues to lash out at anyone. The kid is very ill before rumors even set in. Make no mistake, he had to be stopped and it can be argued that he's a lost cause by that point in the game. However, 20 years ago, he would've been condemned as a whiny brat who relies on other people to fix his problems as Maya says as much at the top of the Sky Museum. In modern times, he'd be seen as someone who does need actual psychiatric help and can be interpreted as a kid screaming in pain for help that he's clearly not getting. What's worse is that in the additional scenario added in the PSP re-release of ''Eternal Punishment'' made 12 years later, Tadashi Satomi uses the new character Saori to [[AuthorTract bluntly express his disdain for a law in Japan which remits convicted felons who are
diagnosed with mental disorders through the portrayal of Sudou]] with all the grace and subtlety of [[{{Anvilicious}} a large anvil falling at mach 37]].

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* ValuesDissonance: Tatsuya Sudou's ''Innocent Sin'' version is a person who is mentally ill, thrown out by his father instead of getting any help, suffers immensely from hearing voices and continues to lash out at anyone. The kid is very ill before rumors even set in. Make no mistake, he had to be stopped and it can be argued that he's a lost cause by that point in the game. However, 20 years ago, he would've been condemned as a whiny brat who relies on other people to fix his problems as Maya says as much at the top of the Sky Museum. In modern times, he'd be seen as someone who does need actual psychiatric help and can be interpreted as a kid screaming in pain for help that he's clearly not getting. What's worse is that in the additional scenario added in the PSP re-release of ''Eternal Punishment'' made 12 years later, Tadashi Satomi uses the new character Saori to [[AuthorTract bluntly express his disdain for a law in Japan which remits convicted felons who are
are diagnosed with mental disorders through the portrayal of Sudou]] with all the grace and subtlety of [[{{Anvilicious}} a large anvil falling at mach 37]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: In order to sell the game outside of Japan as well as even provide some foreshadowing to the true nature (See {{Woolseyism}}), the Swastikas were replaced with Iron crosses. The use of the Iron Cross by neo-nazis proved almost eerily prophetic to TheNewTens, where the Iron Cross returned, was mistaken for being a nazi symbol, and even started to be used by actual Neo-nazis.

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In order to sell the game outside of Japan as well as even provide some foreshadowing to the true nature (See {{Woolseyism}}), the Swastikas were replaced with Iron crosses. The use of the Iron Cross by neo-nazis proved almost eerily prophetic to TheNewTens, where the Iron Cross returned, was mistaken for being a nazi symbol, and even started to be used by actual Neo-nazis.
** In the middle of the game, the producer of the Muses group has a reputation for [[CastingCouch taking advantage of the girls he manage]]. Given that [[spoiler:Lisa Silverman]] is part of the group, it becomes uncomfortable to watch given that her Voice Actress Creator/HirokoKonishi was in the situation of the CastingCouch.

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* ValuesDissonance: Tatsuya Sudou's ''Innocent Sin'' version is a person who is mentally ill, thrown out by his father instead of getting any help, suffers immensely from hearing voices and continues to lash out at anyone. The kid is very ill before rumors even set in. Make no mistake, he had to be stopped and it can be argued that he's a lost cause by that point in the game. However, 20 years ago, he would've been condemned as a whiny brat who relies on other people to fix his problems as Maya says as much at the top of the Sky Museum. In modern times, he'd be seen as someone who does need actual psychiatric help and can be interpreted as a kid screaming in pain for help that he's clearly not getting. What's worse is that in the additional scenario added in the PSP re-release of ''Eternal Punishment'' made 12 years later, Tadashi Satomi uses the new character Saori to [[AuthorTract bluntly express his disdain for a law in Japan which remits convicted felons who are diagnosed with mental disorders through the portrayal of Sudou]] with all the grace and subtlety of [[{{Anvilicious}} a large anvil falling at mach 37]].

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* ValuesDissonance: Tatsuya Sudou's ''Innocent Sin'' version is a person who is mentally ill, thrown out by his father instead of getting any help, suffers immensely from hearing voices and continues to lash out at anyone. The kid is very ill before rumors even set in. Make no mistake, he had to be stopped and it can be argued that he's a lost cause by that point in the game. However, 20 years ago, he would've been condemned as a whiny brat who relies on other people to fix his problems as Maya says as much at the top of the Sky Museum. In modern times, he'd be seen as someone who does need actual psychiatric help and can be interpreted as a kid screaming in pain for help that he's clearly not getting. What's worse is that in the additional scenario added in the PSP re-release of ''Eternal Punishment'' made 12 years later, Tadashi Satomi uses the new character Saori to [[AuthorTract bluntly express his disdain for a law in Japan which remits convicted felons who are are
diagnosed with mental disorders through the portrayal of Sudou]] with all the grace and subtlety of [[{{Anvilicious}} a large anvil falling at mach 37]].37]].
* ValuesResonance: ''Innocent Sin'' is notable in that Tatsuya is, for all intents and purposes, canonically bisexual, and has amongst his potential love interests Jun, who is canonically gay - in a game that released in 1999, where even the idea of LGBT characters in protagonist roles in games (that don't fulfill that niche) was practically unheard of. This also wouldn't be seen in future games in the series at all, with no GayOption to speak of despite the future games higher focus on Dating Sim-like aspects, making this one of the rare examples where a much older game in a series resonates more with present values than newer releases.
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The Female Protagonist in Persona 3 Portable also has same-sex romance options.


** For being the SixthRanger of ''Innocent Sin'' with the least amount of screentime, Jun Kurosu is ''beloved'' for his plot-relevance, depth of character, and for being the first and only [[GayOption same-sex romance option]] in the entire series. That he's also [[spoiler: the only BigBad in the series to actually [[TheAtoner atone]] for his actions]] has also done its part to bolster his reputation.

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** For being the SixthRanger of ''Innocent Sin'' with the least amount of screentime, Jun Kurosu is ''beloved'' for his plot-relevance, depth of character, and for being the first and only male/male [[GayOption same-sex romance option]] in the entire series. That he's also [[spoiler: the only BigBad in the series to actually [[TheAtoner atone]] for his actions]] has also done its part to bolster his reputation.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: ''Innocent Sin'''s international version changing Hitler to "The Fuhrer" and [[https://i.imgur.com/cfF4hV1.jpg?1 putting sunglasses on him instead]] comes off as a very poor attempt of {{Bowdlerization}}, yet it works - it's ''not'' actually Hitler you fight but Nyarlathotep's avatar taking Hitler's form, specifically to take advantage of one of the games' central themes of rumours becoming real. The sunglasses may also serve as a subtle call to Henrich Himmler - the ''actual'' high-ranking nazi known for the occult interests associated ''with'' Adolf Hitler and nazis. While Himmler did not wear sunglasses, he did wear a large pair of glasses after all - and many people often attribute the occult interests of Himmler to Hitler. This goes to show how many things become CommonKnowledge.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: ''Innocent Sin'''s international version changing Hitler to "The Fuhrer" and [[https://i.imgur.com/cfF4hV1.jpg?1 putting sunglasses on him instead]] comes off as a very poor attempt of {{Bowdlerization}}, yet it works - [[spoiler: it's ''not'' actually Hitler you fight but Nyarlathotep's avatar taking Hitler's form, specifically to take advantage of one of the games' central themes of rumours becoming real.real]]. The sunglasses may also serve as a subtle call to Henrich Himmler - the ''actual'' high-ranking nazi known for the occult interests associated ''with'' Adolf Hitler and nazis. While Himmler did not wear sunglasses, he did wear a large pair of glasses after all - and many people often attribute the occult interests of Himmler to Hitler. This goes to show how many things become CommonKnowledge.

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** Tatsuya's ultimate Persona Apollo can perform Nova Kaiser, which allows him to briefly stop time. This won't be the last time that Creator/TakehitoKoyasu will voice a [[Characters/JoJosBizarreAdventureDio character]] who can summon a spirit that can stop time.

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** Tatsuya's Tatsuya has high affinity with The World Arcana and his ultimate Persona Apollo can perform Nova Kaiser, which allows him to briefly stop time. This won't be the last time that Creator/TakehitoKoyasu will voice a [[Characters/JoJosBizarreAdventureDio character]] who can summon a spirit that can stop time.time.
*** The developers seemed to have taken note of this as one of the added Scenarios in the PSP remaster included a one-on-one boss battle between Tatsuya and [[spoiler:Kandori]] whose actor voiced Jotaro Kujo in the past.

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* MoralEventHorizon:
** Ginji Sasaki crossed it in ''Innocent Sin'' when he planted bombs all across Aoba Park, disregarding the large number of casualties that could result from the explosion. If that wasn't enough, he definitely cemented his crossing by draining the Ideal Energy of Lisa's friends out of spite, reducing them to lifeless husks.
** There are various times where Tatsuya Sudou/King Leo has crossed the line. Was it when he set one of his minions on fire until he got burnt to a crisp for failing him? Or was it when he planted bombs all over the city full of innocent people, and later did so? Or was it when he set the Aerospace Museum that was currently being visited by a group of elementary school children on fire? [[spoiler:He likely first crossed it all those years ago when he started the fire at Alaya Shrine and tried to murder a young Maya and Tatsuya there.]]
** [[spoiler: In ''Innocent Sin'', Okamura takes a nosedive across the horizon when she murders Maya with the Spear of Longinus so that the prophecies of In Lak'ech may be fulfilled.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon:
** Ginji Sasaki crossed it in ''Innocent Sin'' when he planted bombs all across Aoba Park, disregarding the large number of casualties that could result from the explosion. If that wasn't enough, he definitely cemented his crossing by draining the Ideal Energy of Lisa's friends out of spite, reducing them to lifeless husks.
** There are various times where Tatsuya Sudou/King Leo has crossed the line. Was it when he set one of his minions on fire until he got burnt to a crisp for failing him? Or was it when he planted bombs all over the city full of innocent people, and later did so? Or was it when he set the Aerospace Museum that was currently being visited by a group of elementary school children on fire? [[spoiler:He likely first crossed it all those years ago when he started the fire at Alaya Shrine and tried to murder a young Maya and Tatsuya there.]]
** [[spoiler: In ''Innocent Sin'', Okamura takes a nosedive across the horizon when she murders Maya with the Spear of Longinus so that the prophecies of In Lak'ech may be fulfilled.]]
MoralEventHorizon: See [[MoralEventHorizon/ShinMegamiTensei here]].
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* EvenBetterSequel: The persona series has had a rather rough relationship with its PostScriptSeason content in the various UpdatedReRelease's of the games. Tatsuya's Scenario from the PSP version of ''Eternal Punishment'' however is seen as some of the best additional content the series has ever produced with a plot that greatly helps to build on the preexisting story and characters while at the same time having new ones that don't feel shoehorned into the plot.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees:
** The urban legends peddled by Kashihara-sensei and Ideal-sensei are taken from real conspiracy theorists, mostly Ernst Zündel (made "famous" at the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faurisson_affair Faurisson trial]]), who claimed that Hitler fled to Antarctica and has been sending out swaths of [=UFOs=] for decades. In fact, pretty much all of the conspiracies in ''Innocent Sin'' have been promoted by Zündel at one time or another. (Overlaps with PoesLaw.)
** All the rumour demons are taken from Japanese [[UrbanLegend urban legends]].
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** One of Hitler's special moves in his boss fight is called "Holy Grail". [[Creator/DavidLodgeActor David Lodge]], who voices Hitler's English dub, [[spoiler:would voice the actual Holy Grail]] in ''VideoGame/Persona5''.

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** One of Hitler's special moves in his boss fight is called "Holy Grail". [[Creator/DavidLodgeActor [[Creator/DavidLodgeAmericanActor David Lodge]], who voices Hitler's English dub, [[spoiler:would voice the actual Holy Grail]] in ''VideoGame/Persona5''.
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Per TRS, this is YMMV

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* SequelDifficultySpike: ''Innocent Sin'' is a generally very easy game. The Personas given as the story progresses are enough to carry the player for basically the entire game, and only a handful of bosses are particularly challenging. ''Eternal Punishment'' is the polar opposite, and this becomes apparent at about the fourth boss.
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Continuation: As it is now Trivia.

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