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* HeartwarmingMoment: Despite having just met the girl a couple minutes ago, Alternate!Joyce reassures Alex that Buffy and her friends will get her home.

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* HeartwarmingMoment: SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Despite having just met the girl a couple minutes ago, Alternate!Joyce reassures Alex that Buffy and her friends will get her home.


* [[DesignatedHero Designated Heroine]]: Some critics of the story maintain that because of Alex's ruthless attitude toward those who threaten her loved ones and friends, she isn't actually a hero but a borderline villain. Alex's philosophy is pretty simple: threaten her, or even worse threaten those she loves and she takes you down as hard and as definitively as she can. And given that she's a Kryptonian, "hard and definitive" are pretty hard and definitive. It should be noted that she's not a bloodthirsty monster, though she may do a pretty good imitation of one on occasions. Its just that if you are a threat, she figures you've earned whatever pain is coming to you, not unlike Magneto or Wolverine. Nevertheless... Kryptonian PhysicalGod powers and Buffy-verse-style cold-bloodedness? Stuff of nightmares, InUniverse ''and'' out.

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* [[DesignatedHero Designated Heroine]]: Some critics of the story maintain that because of Alex's ruthless attitude toward those who threaten her loved ones and friends, she isn't actually a hero but a borderline villain. Alex's philosophy is pretty simple: threaten her, or even worse threaten those she loves and she takes you down as hard and as definitively as she can. And given that she's a Kryptonian, "hard and definitive" are pretty hard and definitive. It should be noted that she's not a bloodthirsty monster, though she may do a pretty good imitation of one on occasions. Its just that if you are a threat, she figures you've earned whatever pain is coming to you, not unlike Magneto or Wolverine. Nevertheless... Kryptonian PhysicalGod powers and Buffy-verse-style cold-bloodedness? Stuff of nightmares, InUniverse ''and'' out. Alex's is also pretty much a self-insert mary-sue with little to no personality.


** All the [=SHIELD=] agents and the Avengers are absolutely disgusted when they learn that Karen Starr had been repeatedly raped by her father ever since she was eleven, until he murdered her four years later. Tony (still in his early "pro-Reg" phase, mind you) later says that Mr. Starr has been sent to prison for life and implies he easily expects the mn to get shivved within a few years.

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** All the [=SHIELD=] agents and the Avengers are absolutely disgusted when they learn that Karen Starr had been repeatedly raped by her father ever since she was eleven, until he murdered her four years later. Tony (still in his early "pro-Reg" phase, mind you) later says that Mr. Starr has been sent to prison for life and implies he easily expects the mn man to get shivved within a few years.


--> '''Author:''' [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Everything Alex accused Carol Danvers of doing in the previous chapter was actually done by Carol Danvers]]. [[TheAlcoholic She is an alcoholic who regularly falls off the wagon with no care for the consequences]]. [[BadBoss She is an abusive authority figure]] [[DisproportianateRetribution who gets righteously pissed off whenever someone refuses to follow one of her orders]]. [[ReallyGetsAround She does prefer cheap sex with friends whom she can then disregard to serious relationships]]. [[KickTheDog And lastly, she really did beat the shit out of a mom in front of her child...]][[MyGodYouAreSerious This all actually happened]].

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--> '''Author:''' [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Everything Alex accused Carol Danvers of doing in the previous chapter was actually done by Carol Danvers]]. [[TheAlcoholic She is an alcoholic who regularly falls off the wagon with no care for the consequences]]. [[BadBoss She is an abusive authority figure]] [[DisproportianateRetribution [[DisproportionateRetribution who gets righteously pissed off whenever someone refuses to follow one of her orders]]. [[ReallyGetsAround She does prefer cheap sex with friends whom she can then disregard to serious relationships]]. [[KickTheDog And lastly, she really did beat the shit out of a mom in front of her child...]][[MyGodYouAreSerious This all actually happened]].


--> '''Author:''' [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Everything Alex accused Carol Danvers of doing in the previous chapter was actually done by Carol Danvers]]. [[TheAlcoholic She is an alcoholic who regularly falls off the wagon with no care for the consequences]]. [[BadBoss She is an abusive authority figure]] [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem who gets righteously pissed off whenever someone refuses to follow one of her orders]]. [[ReallyGetsAround She does prefer cheap sex with friends whom she can then disregard to serious relationships]]. [[KickTheDog And lastly, she really did beat the shit out of a mom in front of the child...]][[MyGodYouAreSerious This all actually happened]].
* MoralEventHorizon: In universe, the Avengers see Carol's disposal of Alex, the coup against Tony Stark, and the attempt to turn the Avengers into a "tool of policy" for the US Government means she passed the MoralEventHorizon at full speed and never once looked back.

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--> '''Author:''' [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Everything Alex accused Carol Danvers of doing in the previous chapter was actually done by Carol Danvers]]. [[TheAlcoholic She is an alcoholic who regularly falls off the wagon with no care for the consequences]]. [[BadBoss She is an abusive authority figure]] [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem [[DisproportianateRetribution who gets righteously pissed off whenever someone refuses to follow one of her orders]]. [[ReallyGetsAround She does prefer cheap sex with friends whom she can then disregard to serious relationships]]. [[KickTheDog And lastly, she really did beat the shit out of a mom in front of the her child...]][[MyGodYouAreSerious This all actually happened]].
* MoralEventHorizon: In universe, In-universe, the Avengers see Carol's disposal of Alex, the coup against Tony Stark, and the attempt to turn the Avengers into a "tool of policy" for the US Government means she passed the MoralEventHorizon at full speed and never once looked back.



* RonTheDeathEater: Despite the fact that he is basing his portrayals on actual Marvel canon (though as the counter argument goes, this is selective to say the least), this is one of the other accusations made by critics of the story. Also, it turns out that a lot of the characters he's been accused of doing this to are secretly under a Hydra mind-control scheme, and thus are ''supposed'' to be acting out of character.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Despite the fact that he is basing his portrayals on actual Marvel canon (though as the counter argument counter-argument goes, this is selective selective, to say the least), this is one of the other accusations made by critics of the story. Also, it turns out that a lot of the characters he's been accused of doing this to are secretly under a Hydra mind-control scheme, and thus are ''supposed'' to be acting out of character.

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** All the [=SHIELD=] agents and the Avengers are absolutely disgusted when they learn that Karen Starr had been repeatedly raped by her father ever since she was eleven, until he murdered her four years later. Tony (still in his early "pro-Reg" phase, mind you) later says that Mr. Starr has been sent to prison for life and implies he easily expects the mn to get shivved within a few years.

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--> '''Author:''' [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Everything Alex accused Carol Danvers of doing in the previous chapter was actually done by Carol Danvers]]. [[TheAlcoholic She is an alcoholic who regularly falls off the wagon with no care for the consequences]]. [[BadBoss She is an abusive authority figure]] [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem who gets righteously pissed off whenever someone refuses to follow one of her orders]]. [[ReallyGetsAround She does prefer cheap sex with friends whom she can then disregard to serious relationships]]. [[KickTheDog And lastly, she really did beat the shit out of a mom in front of the child...]][[MyGodYouAreSerious This all actually happened]].


* {{Jerkass}}: '''Carol Danvers''', ''and how''. Epic CharacterDeRailment is required to justify it, as WordOfGod uses heavily skewed evidence from Marvel's portrayal of her character during this time period to justify his interpretation of her in this story:
--> '''Author:''' [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Everything Alex accused Carol Danvers of doing in the previous chapter was actually done by Carol Danvers]]. [[TheAlcoholic She is an alcoholic who regularly falls off the wagon with no care for the consequences]]. [[BadBoss She is an abusive authority figure]] [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem who gets righteously pissed off whenever someone refuses to follow one of her orders]]. [[ReallyGetsAround She does prefer cheap sex with friends whom she can then disregard to serious relationships]]. [[KickTheDog And lastly, she really did beat the shit out of a mom in front of the child...]][[MyGodYouAreSerious This all actually happened]].
** Of course, it is also worth bearing in mind a) alcoholism is a serious problem and as of the time of writing, Carol has not fallen off the wagon in most of 15 years, b) the next two are... dubious, c) preferring casual sex is an entirely valid choice (nor does she sleep around to anywhere ''near'' the extent that Worldmaker claims) and she has had a number of long term relationships, d) she did indeed apprehend Julia Carpenter under the SRA in front of her daughter... and lamented what she'd done later to Wonder Man, that to Julia's daughter, she'd always be the woman who took her mother away. And this was during the same event when Tony, Reed and Hank Pym created Ragnarok - a psychotic cyborg clone of Thor that ''killed'' Goliath, 42 - an extradimensional superhuman gulag, and enslaved supervillains with explosive restraining collars to do their bidding. Honestly, by that standard, forcibly apprehending Julia Carpenter is very small potatoes. But hey, why let inconvenient things like the facts get in the way of a good story?

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* {{Jerkass}}: '''Carol Danvers''', ''and how''. Epic CharacterDeRailment is required to justify it, as WordOfGod uses heavily skewed evidence from Marvel's portrayal of her character during this time period to justify his interpretation of her in this story:
--> '''Author:''' [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Everything Alex accused Carol Danvers of doing in the previous chapter was actually done by Carol Danvers]]. [[TheAlcoholic She is an alcoholic who regularly falls off the wagon with no care for the consequences]]. [[BadBoss She is an abusive authority figure]] [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem who gets righteously pissed off whenever someone refuses to follow one of her orders]]. [[ReallyGetsAround She does prefer cheap sex with friends whom she can then disregard to serious relationships]]. [[KickTheDog And lastly, she really did beat the shit out of a mom in front of the child...]][[MyGodYouAreSerious This all actually happened]].
** Of course, it is also worth bearing in mind a) alcoholism is a serious problem and as of the time of writing, Carol has not fallen off the wagon in most of 15 years, b) the next two are... dubious, c) preferring casual sex is an entirely valid choice (nor does she sleep around to anywhere ''near'' the extent that Worldmaker claims) and she has had a number of long term relationships, d) she did indeed apprehend Julia Carpenter under the SRA in front of her daughter... and lamented what she'd done later to Wonder Man, that to Julia's daughter, she'd always be the woman who took her mother away. And this was during the same event when Tony, Reed and Hank Pym created Ragnarok - a psychotic cyborg clone of Thor that ''killed'' Goliath, 42 - an extradimensional superhuman gulag, and enslaved supervillains with explosive restraining collars to do their bidding. Honestly, by that standard, forcibly apprehending Julia Carpenter is very small potatoes. But hey, why let inconvenient things like the facts get in the way of a good story?


* {{Jerkass}}: '''Carol Danvers''', ''and how''. Keep in mind that WordOfGod uses actual facts and other evidence from Marvel's portrayal of her character during this time period to justify his interpretation of her in this story:

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* {{Jerkass}}: '''Carol Danvers''', ''and how''. Keep in mind that Epic CharacterDeRailment is required to justify it, as WordOfGod uses actual facts and other heavily skewed evidence from Marvel's portrayal of her character during this time period to justify his interpretation of her in this story:



** Of course, it is also worth bearing in mind a) alcoholism is a serious problem and as of the time of writing, Carol has not fallen off the wagon in most of 15 years, b) the next two are... dubious, c) preferring casual sex is an entirely valid choice (nor does she sleep around to anywhere ''near'' the extent that Worldmaker claims) and she has had a number of long term relationships, d) she did indeed apprehend Julia Carpenter under the SRA in front of her daughter... and lamented what she'd done later to Wonder Man, that to Julia's daughter, she'd always be the woman who took her mother away. And this was during the same event when Tony, Reed and Hank Pym created Ragnarok - a psychotic cyborg clone of Thor that ''killed'' Goliath, 42 - an extradimensional superhuman gulag, and enslaved supervillains with explosive restraining collars to do their bidding. Honestly, by that standard, forcibly apprehending Julia Carpenter is very small potatoes. But hey, why let inconvenient things like the facts get in the way of a good story?



* RonTheDeathEater: Despite the fact that he is basing his portrayals on actual Marvel canon, this is one of the other accusations made by critics of the story. Also, it turns out that a lot of the characters he's been accused of doing this to are secretly under a Hydra mind-control scheme, and thus are ''supposed'' to be acting out of character.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Despite the fact that he is basing his portrayals on actual Marvel canon, canon (though as the counter argument goes, this is selective to say the least), this is one of the other accusations made by critics of the story. Also, it turns out that a lot of the characters he's been accused of doing this to are secretly under a Hydra mind-control scheme, and thus are ''supposed'' to be acting out of character.


* TheyWastedAPrettyGoodPlot: Right after the Scooby Gang get a WhatTheHellHero speech regarding their cold treatment of Alex, they pick up books and start to research a way back. Two chapters later, we see Alex's arrival to the Marvelverse without any information of how long it took for the Gang to look into said spell or if they ever said they were sorry.

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* TheyWastedAPrettyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Right after the Scooby Gang get a WhatTheHellHero speech regarding their cold treatment of Alex, they pick up books and start to research a way back. Two chapters later, we see Alex's arrival to the Marvelverse without any information of how long it took for the Gang to look into said spell or if they ever said they were sorry.


* TearJerker: Alex's reaction to having been forcefully returned to the Buffyverse (now that she has a very good reason to stay on the Marvel Universe, and that is ''being married''). Also, her seeing the Alternate version of Joyce Summers--which on this universe survived the aneurysm that killed her on "The Body", but left her pretty bad and this latter just being nice and trusting to Alex, which brings her to tears.

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* TearJerker: Alex's reaction to having been forcefully returned to the Buffyverse (now that she has a very good reason to stay on the Marvel Universe, and that is ''being married''). Also, her seeing the Alternate version of Joyce Summers--which on this universe survived the aneurysm that killed her on "The Body", but left her pretty bad and this latter just being nice and trusting to Alex, which brings her to tears.tears.
* TheyWastedAPrettyGoodPlot: Right after the Scooby Gang get a WhatTheHellHero speech regarding their cold treatment of Alex, they pick up books and start to research a way back. Two chapters later, we see Alex's arrival to the Marvelverse without any information of how long it took for the Gang to look into said spell or if they ever said they were sorry.


** It should perhaps be noted that the only people to receive the full brunt of Alex's ruthlessness are themselves incredibly ruthless and perfectly willing to kill or harm Alex or her loved ones to achieve their ends, and she otherwise repeatedly tries to avoid or defuse conflict with those she comes across with. For example, in her second battle with the Thunderbolts, she makes a point of only killing those she knows to be murderers themselves. It's also only because SHIELD arrested and detained her without cause or charge, betrayed and railroaded her after she fully cooperated under the understanding that they'd let her go if she did, and then repeatedly wouldn't stop hounding or attacking her (via the Avengers and the Thunderbolts) despite her repeated pleas that she just wanted to be left alone when they could have taken a more diplomatic "softly-softly" approach that she decided to take the gloves off. So while Alex has definitely developed a ruthless streak, ultimately SHIELD only have themselves to blame.

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** It should perhaps be noted that the only people to receive the full brunt of Alex's ruthlessness are themselves incredibly ruthless and perfectly willing to kill or harm Alex or her loved ones to achieve their ends, and she otherwise repeatedly tries to avoid or defuse conflict with those she comes across with. For example, in her second battle with the Thunderbolts, she makes a point of only killing those she knows to be murderers themselves. It's also only because SHIELD arrested and detained her without cause or charge, betrayed and railroaded her after she fully cooperated under the understanding that they'd let her go if she did, and then repeatedly wouldn't stop hounding or attacking her (via the Avengers and the Thunderbolts) despite her repeated pleas that she just wanted to be left alone when they could have taken a more diplomatic "softly-softly" approach that she decided to take the gloves off.off. While there may have been a mild element of JerkassHasAPoint to all of this, ultimately they could have taken a softly-softly approach at several points but chose to go all-in. So while Alex has definitely developed a ruthless streak, ultimately SHIELD only have themselves to blame.

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** It should perhaps be noted that the only people to receive the full brunt of Alex's ruthlessness are themselves incredibly ruthless and perfectly willing to kill or harm Alex or her loved ones to achieve their ends, and she otherwise repeatedly tries to avoid or defuse conflict with those she comes across with. For example, in her second battle with the Thunderbolts, she makes a point of only killing those she knows to be murderers themselves. It's also only because SHIELD arrested and detained her without cause or charge, betrayed and railroaded her after she fully cooperated under the understanding that they'd let her go if she did, and then repeatedly wouldn't stop hounding or attacking her (via the Avengers and the Thunderbolts) despite her repeated pleas that she just wanted to be left alone when they could have taken a more diplomatic "softly-softly" approach that she decided to take the gloves off. So while Alex has definitely developed a ruthless streak, ultimately SHIELD only have themselves to blame.


* [[DesignatedHero Designated Heroine]]: Some critics of the story maintain that because of Alex's ruthless attitude toward those who threaten her loved ones and friends, she isn't actually a hero but a borderline villain. Alex's philosophy is pretty simple: threaten her, or even worse threaten those she loves and she takes you down as hard and as definitively as she can. And given that she's a Kryptonian, "hard and definitive" are pretty hard and definitive. It should be noted that she's not a bloodthirsty monster, though she may do a pretty good imitation of one on occasions. Its just that if you are a threat, she figures you've earned whatever pain is coming to you, not unlike Magneto or Wolverine.

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* [[DesignatedHero Designated Heroine]]: Some critics of the story maintain that because of Alex's ruthless attitude toward those who threaten her loved ones and friends, she isn't actually a hero but a borderline villain. Alex's philosophy is pretty simple: threaten her, or even worse threaten those she loves and she takes you down as hard and as definitively as she can. And given that she's a Kryptonian, "hard and definitive" are pretty hard and definitive. It should be noted that she's not a bloodthirsty monster, though she may do a pretty good imitation of one on occasions. Its just that if you are a threat, she figures you've earned whatever pain is coming to you, not unlike Magneto or Wolverine. Nevertheless... Kryptonian PhysicalGod powers and Buffy-verse-style cold-bloodedness? Stuff of nightmares, InUniverse ''and'' out.


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** Minor example with the Buffyverse characters being paranoid around Alex. While it is not unusual within the series for them to distrust newcomers into the group (and even long after they have become allies, this distrust still coming upfront occasionally), the way they treat Alex is UngratefulBastard at best and passive-aggressive IrrationalHatred at worst.

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* FanPreferredCouple: From the moment [[Series/AgentsOfShield Phil Coulson]] appeared in the story, the writer began receiving demands that Alex Harris -- a confirmed lesbian in a ''seriously'' committed monogamous relationship with another woman -- hook up with him. According to the writer, the primary relationship between Alex and Louise has received zero comments aside from one troll who threatened to drop the story if "those damned lesbo carpet-munchers" (an exact quote) were removed from the story.

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