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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', being another fanfic of a popular SpeculativeFiction series that starts from the premise that the protagonist is now some flavor of rationalist. ''Luminosity'''s author, Alicorn, is a part of the same community blog, Blog/LessWrong, as ''Methods of Rationality'''s author Creator/EliezerYudkowsky.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', being another fanfic of a popular SpeculativeFiction series that starts from the premise that the protagonist is now some flavor of rationalist. ''Luminosity'''s ''Luminosity''[='=]s author, Alicorn, is a part of the same community blog, Blog/LessWrong, as ''Methods of Rationality'''s author Creator/EliezerYudkowsky.
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** Is Bella an altruistic and rational heroine who’s willing to put her life on the line for what’s right and do something about vampires eating humans when no one else will? Or is she a WellIntentionedExtremist who’s convinced she has all the answers and takes irresponsible risks with other people’s lives as much as her own?
*** For that matter, Bella’s mental control. Is she simply levelheaded and good at managing her emotions, or is she an EmotionlessGirl?

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** Is Bella an altruistic and rational heroine who’s who's willing to put her life on the line for what’s what's right and do something about vampires eating humans when no one else will? Or is she a WellIntentionedExtremist who’s who's convinced she has all the answers and takes irresponsible risks with other people’s people's lives as much as her own?
*** For that matter, Bella’s Bella's mental control. Is she simply levelheaded and good at managing her emotions, or is she an EmotionlessGirl?



** Siobhan’s choice to [[spoiler:help put a VegetarianVampire government in power]] is also subject to this. Did she decide she was willing to give up human blood in order to have a stable government not prone to holding innocents in [[BlackSite Black Sites]] (and not have to run said government herself)? Alternatively, did she expect to be able to worm her way out of that restriction, and realize only too late that she wouldn't?

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** Siobhan’s Siobhan's choice to [[spoiler:help put a VegetarianVampire government in power]] is also subject to this. Did she decide she was willing to give up human blood in order to have a stable government not prone to holding innocents in [[BlackSite Black Sites]] (and not have to run said government herself)? Alternatively, did she expect to be able to worm her way out of that restriction, and realize only too late that she wouldn't?



** Chelsea was treated poorly by her father, and it’s implied this is the reason she’s so obsessed with being loved. Combined with how emotionally fragile she's shown to be under her [[StepfordSmiler smiling exterior]], it's hard not to feel at least a little bad for her.
** Jane and Alec’s entire backstory. Hated and feared as witches from the time they were young children, to the point where they were burned at the stake and nearly died. It gets even worse when [[spoiler:Jane is killed and Alec is basically doomed to a life of loneliness after agreeing to be snipped from her]].

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** Chelsea was treated poorly by her father, and it’s it's implied this is the reason she’s she's so obsessed with being loved. Combined with how emotionally fragile she's shown to be under her [[StepfordSmiler smiling exterior]], it's hard not to feel at least a little bad for her.
** Jane and Alec’s Alec's entire backstory. Hated and feared as witches from the time they were young children, to the point where they were burned at the stake and nearly died. It gets even worse when [[spoiler:Jane is killed and Alec is basically doomed to a life of loneliness after agreeing to be snipped from her]].



* {{SugarWiki/Fiction Identity Postulate}}. To the friggin' ''max''. The series requires zero background knowledge of ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'', to the point where it can be read like an original work. As a result, there are a lot of people who have never read or watched ''Twilight'', or who read it and hated it, but love ''Luminosity''.
* FridgeHorror: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=5dt6ub9yrpgzcwi5gjw1r0mf&page=24 Pointed out by the author on this very site]]. Allirea's state of rest - what happens when she's not actively exerting effort - is to be unnoticeable. This has always been the case for her. Anything that is clearly "about" Allirea is not worth notice unless she acts to counteract that default. She's also a half-vampire. [[spoiler: This means that her mother died an agonizing death by childbirth. And no one cared.]]

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* {{SugarWiki/Fiction Identity Postulate}}.SugarWiki/FictionIdentityPostulate. To the friggin' ''max''. The series requires zero background knowledge of ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'', to the point where it can be read like an original work. As a result, there are a lot of people who have never read or watched ''Twilight'', or who read it and hated it, but love ''Luminosity''.
* FridgeHorror: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=5dt6ub9yrpgzcwi5gjw1r0mf&page=24 Pointed out by the author on this very site]]. Allirea's state of rest - -- what happens when she's not actively exerting effort - -- is to be unnoticeable. This has always been the case for her. Anything that is clearly "about" Allirea is not worth notice unless she acts to counteract that default. She's also a half-vampire. [[spoiler: This means that her mother died an agonizing death by childbirth. And no one cared.]]



* HilariousInHindsight: When Bella learns about Edward’s past [[SerialKillerKiller hunting human murderers and the like]], she briefly wonders if he’s considered “going on with the Batman routine sans complimentary beverages”. Later, [[Creator/RobertPattinson Edward’s actor in the Twilight movies]] would go on to play Batman, in [[Film/TheBatman2022 a movie]] that sees him hanging out with a woman named Bella who has aspirations of political leadership and social change.

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* HilariousInHindsight: When Bella learns about Edward’s Edward's past [[SerialKillerKiller hunting human murderers and the like]], she briefly wonders if he’s he's considered “going "going on with the Batman routine sans complimentary beverages”. beverages". Later, [[Creator/RobertPattinson Edward’s Edward's actor in the Twilight movies]] would go on to play Batman, in [[Film/TheBatman2022 a movie]] that sees him hanging out with a woman named Bella who has aspirations of political leadership and social change.



** Allirea’s attitude toward humans and belief in her father Joham’s ideas about hybrids as a MasterRace don’t exactly inspire sympathy, but ''no one'' deserves [[DomesticAbuse what she had to go through.]]
** As awful as Chelsea is, it can’t be easy for her to constantly have her emotional wellbeing hinge on what everyone around her thinks of her.
* MindGameShip: A lot of readers saw subtext of this kind between Addy and Elspeth in ''Radiance'', to the point where the author actually edited the end of chapter 14 to avoid ending on a certain line. This was only made worse by Flash 4 (“Mimicry”), which details how Addy finds Elspeth’s power to be extremely [[MagicalSensoryEffect tasty]] and wants to teach her just to experience how it will develop.

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** Allirea’s Allirea's attitude toward humans and belief in her father Joham’s Joham's ideas about hybrids as a MasterRace don’t don't exactly inspire sympathy, but ''no one'' deserves [[DomesticAbuse what she had to go through.]]
through]].
** As awful as Chelsea is, it can’t can't be easy for her to constantly have her emotional wellbeing well-being hinge on what everyone around her thinks of her.
* MindGameShip: A lot of readers saw subtext of this kind between Addy and Elspeth in ''Radiance'', to the point where the author actually edited the end of chapter 14 to avoid ending on a certain line. This was only made worse by Flash 4 (“Mimicry”), ("Mimicry"), which details how Addy finds Elspeth’s Elspeth's power to be extremely [[MagicalSensoryEffect tasty]] and wants to teach her just to experience how it will develop.



* NoYay: The author’s reaction to the perceived Addy/Elspeth LesYay. Between Addy subjecting Elspeth to ColdBloodedTorture and threatening Jacob’s life to make her compliant, and the fact that Elspeth is [[YoungerThanTheyLook five years old]], this reaction is understandable.

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* NoYay: The author’s author's reaction to the perceived Addy/Elspeth LesYay. Between Addy subjecting Elspeth to ColdBloodedTorture and threatening Jacob’s Jacob's life to make her compliant, and the fact that Elspeth is [[YoungerThanTheyLook five years old]], this reaction is understandable.



** Allirea, for similar reasons. She can be right in the room with you and you won’t notice ''anything'' she does unless she wants you to (or you have a power that specifically counters hers).
* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', being another fanfic of a popular SpeculativeFiction series that starts from the premise that the protagonist is now some flavor of rationalist. ''Luminosity''’s author, Alicorn, is a part of the same community blog, Blog/LessWrong, as ''Methods of Rationality''’s author Creator/EliezerYudkowsky.

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** Allirea, for similar reasons. She can be right in the room with you and you won’t won't notice ''anything'' she does unless she wants you to (or you have a power that specifically counters hers).
* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', being another fanfic of a popular SpeculativeFiction series that starts from the premise that the protagonist is now some flavor of rationalist. ''Luminosity''’s ''Luminosity'''s author, Alicorn, is a part of the same community blog, Blog/LessWrong, as ''Methods of Rationality''’s Rationality'''s author Creator/EliezerYudkowsky.



** To some readers, Bella in the first book comes off as megalomaniacal in her ambitions to change the vampire world, and unwilling to consider when she might be wrong. This isn’t helped by her tendency to go behind her family's backs to do things that may [[spoiler:and do]] have disastrous consequences for them all. The impact of her actions on the rest of the Cullens is explored in Flash 16 (“Esme”).
** Particularly while the fic was ongoing, some readers were turned off by Bella’s propensity to push her pro-vampirism beliefs on humans, particularly in regards to persuading them to turn. This reaction died down for the most part after [[spoiler:chapter 52 of Radiance was posted, where Bella is shown carefully designing the new laws to [[ProHumanTranshuman protect the right of free choice for humans]], including stringent penalties for non-consensual turning under any circumstances, in the face of opposition from other characters. Though given the nature of ''Twilight'' vampires, her ''believing'' these penalties will mean anything might make her come off as naive]].

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** To some readers, Bella in the first book comes off as megalomaniacal in her ambitions to change the vampire world, and unwilling to consider when she might be wrong. This isn’t isn't helped by her tendency to go behind her family's backs to do things that may [[spoiler:and do]] have disastrous consequences for them all. The impact of her actions on the rest of the Cullens is explored in Flash 16 (“Esme”).
("Esme").
** Particularly while the fic was ongoing, some readers were turned off by Bella’s Bella's propensity to push her pro-vampirism beliefs on humans, particularly in regards to persuading them to turn. This reaction died down for the most part after [[spoiler:chapter [[spoiler:Chapter 52 of Radiance ''Radiance'' was posted, where Bella is shown carefully designing the new laws to [[ProHumanTranshuman protect the right of free choice for humans]], including stringent penalties for non-consensual turning under any circumstances, in the face of opposition from other characters. Though given the nature of ''Twilight'' vampires, her ''believing'' these penalties will mean anything might make her come off as naive]].
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** Particularly while the fic was ongoing, some readers were turned off by Bella’s propensity to push her pro-vampirism beliefs on humans, particularly in regards to persuading them to turn. This reaction died down for the most part after [[spoiler:chapter 52 of Radiance was posted, where Bella is shown carefully designing the new laws to [[ProHumanTranshuman protect the right of free choice for humans]], including stringent penalties for non-consensual turning under any circumstances, in the face of opposition from other characters]].

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** Particularly while the fic was ongoing, some readers were turned off by Bella’s propensity to push her pro-vampirism beliefs on humans, particularly in regards to persuading them to turn. This reaction died down for the most part after [[spoiler:chapter 52 of Radiance was posted, where Bella is shown carefully designing the new laws to [[ProHumanTranshuman protect the right of free choice for humans]], including stringent penalties for non-consensual turning under any circumstances, in the face of opposition from other characters]].characters. Though given the nature of ''Twilight'' vampires, her ''believing'' these penalties will mean anything might make her come off as naive]].
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* BetterThanCanon: How a lot of people feel about the fic.
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* {{SugarWiki/Fiction Identity Postulate}}. To the friggin' ''max''. The series requires zero background knowledge of ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', to the point where it can be read like an original work. As a result, there are a lot of people who have never read or watched ''Twilight'', or who read it and hated it, but love ''Luminosity''.

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* {{SugarWiki/Fiction Identity Postulate}}. To the friggin' ''max''. The series requires zero background knowledge of ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'', to the point where it can be read like an original work. As a result, there are a lot of people who have never read or watched ''Twilight'', or who read it and hated it, but love ''Luminosity''.



* FridgeLogic: An in-universe example. ''Luminosity's'' Bella is much more inquisitive and logical than ''[[Literature/{{Twilight}} Twilight's]]'' Bella and outright questions and resolves some Fridgy issues from the original books. The issue of female vampires not being able to procreate, for example, is resolved when Bella proposes freezing her eggs while she's human in the event that she may want children as a vampire.

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* FridgeLogic: An in-universe example. ''Luminosity's'' Bella is much more inquisitive and logical than ''[[Literature/{{Twilight}} ''[[Literature/TheTwilightSaga Twilight's]]'' Bella and outright questions and resolves some Fridgy issues from the original books. The issue of female vampires not being able to procreate, for example, is resolved when Bella proposes freezing her eggs while she's human in the event that she may want children as a vampire.
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* ValuesResonance: The message of introspection, self-understanding, and not letting your unexamined emotions get out of hand and control you has become a lot more relevant in recent years with the rise of mental health awareness.
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* HilariousInHindsight: When Bella learns about Edward’s past [[SerialKillerKiller hunting human murderers and the like]], she briefly wonders if he’s considered “going on with the Batman routine sans complimentary beverages”. Later, [[Creator/RobertPattinson Edward’s actor in the Twilight movies]] would go on to play Batman, in [[Film/TheBatman2022 a movie]] that sees him hanging out with a woman named Bella who has aspirations of political leadership and social change.

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* {{SugarWiki/Fiction Identity Postulate}}. To the friggin' ''max''. There are a lot of people who loathe Literature/{{Twilight}} and love this fic.

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* FanficFuel:
** The second book ends with the DawnOfAnEra as [[spoiler:Bella begins the transition to TheUnmasquedWorld where any human who wants to can become a vampire]]. What that era actually looks like is only shown in bits and pieces in ''Flashes''. As a result, there are a ton of [[RecursiveFanfiction fanfics]] depicting various aspects of everyday life in the post-''Radiance'' world.
** Whether [[spoiler:Elspeth and Jacob]] will become a couple is left unresolved, leading a number of fanfic writers to speculate in various directions.
* {{SugarWiki/Fiction Identity Postulate}}. To the friggin' ''max''. There The series requires zero background knowledge of ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', to the point where it can be read like an original work. As a result, there are a lot of people who loathe Literature/{{Twilight}} have never read or watched ''Twilight'', or who read it and hated it, but love this fic.''Luminosity''.

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* MindGameShip: A lot of readers saw subtext of this kind between Addy and Elspeth in ''Radiance'', to the point where the author actually edited the end of chapter 14 to avoid ending on a certain line. This was only made worse by Flash 4 (“Mimicry”), which details how Addy finds Elspeth’s power to be extremely [[MagicalSensoryEffect tasty]] and wants to teach her just to experience how it will develop.



* NoYay: What the author said to the perceived Addy/Elspeth LesYay. The reader base read so much LesYay between (old vampire) Addy and (five-year-old) Elspeth that she edited the end of chapter 14 to avoid ending on a certain line.

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* NoYay: What the author said The author’s reaction to the perceived Addy/Elspeth LesYay. The reader base read so much LesYay between (old vampire) Between Addy and (five-year-old) subjecting Elspeth to ColdBloodedTorture and threatening Jacob’s life to make her compliant, and the fact that she edited the end of chapter 14 to avoid ending on a certain line.Elspeth is [[YoungerThanTheyLook five years old]], this reaction is understandable.

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* ParanoiaFuel: Chelsea. You ''[[MindRape don't notice]]'' when she cuts all your emotional ties to your friends and family.
** Allirea, for similar reasons.
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* ParanoiaFuel: ParanoiaFuel:
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Chelsea. You ''[[MindRape don't notice]]'' ''don't even notice'' when she [[MindRape cuts all your emotional ties ties]] to your friends and family.
** Allirea, for similar reasons.
reasons. She can be right in the room with you and you won’t notice ''anything'' she does unless she wants you to (or you have a power that specifically counters hers).
* TearJerker: {{Invoked|Trope}}SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', being another fanfic of a popular SpeculativeFiction series that starts from the premise that the protagonist is now some flavor of rationalist. ''Luminosity''’s author, Alicorn, is a part of the same community blog, Blog/LessWrong, as ''Methods of Rationality''’s author Creator/EliezerYudkowsky.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Volturi cross this at the end of the first book when they [[spoiler:force all the Quileute wolves into their service via Chelsea, and then kill every human on the reservation, effectively committing genocide to cover up their actions]].
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* GatewaySeries: The fanfic has gotten more then a few people to read the original Twilight saga just for comparison.

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* GatewaySeries: The fanfic series has gotten more then than a few people to read the original Twilight saga books just for comparison. comparison.
* GeniusBonus: Gianna is given the last name Trafeli in this fic. The name Trafeli is heavily historically associated with and concentrated in Volterra -- nearly ''half'' of all households in Italy with the name are located there.[[note]][[https://www.italianames.com/italian-last-names-maps/TRAFELI Source]] (click through to see smaller geographies). For context, Volterra has a population of about 11,000, while Italy as a whole has a population of about 60 ''million''.[[/note]]

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* CryForTheDevil:
** Chelsea was treated poorly by her father, and it’s implied this is the reason she’s so obsessed with being loved. Combined with how emotionally fragile she's shown to be under her [[StepfordSmiler smiling exterior]], it's hard not to feel at least a little bad for her.
** Jane and Alec’s entire backstory. Hated and feared as witches from the time they were young children, to the point where they were burned at the stake and nearly died. It gets even worse when [[spoiler:Jane is killed and Alec is basically doomed to a life of loneliness after agreeing to be snipped from her]].



* JerkassWoobie: Allirea isn't particularly likeable, but ''no one'' deserves [[DomesticAbuse what she has to put up with.]]
** Chelsea. [[MindRape Mind Rapist]] StepfordSmiler.

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* JerkassWoobie: Allirea isn't particularly likeable, JerkassWoobie:
** Allirea’s attitude toward humans and belief in her father Joham’s ideas about hybrids as a MasterRace don’t exactly inspire sympathy,
but ''no one'' deserves [[DomesticAbuse what she has had to put up with.go through.]]
** Chelsea. [[MindRape Mind Rapist]] StepfordSmiler.As awful as Chelsea is, it can’t be easy for her to constantly have her emotional wellbeing hinge on what everyone around her thinks of her.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Bella. Is she a logical rationalist, a strong, intelligent heroine and a well-meaning altruist? Or is she simply an arrogant, self-righteous, power hungry megalomaniac? For that matter, is she a believable, well-constructed, intriguing character? Or is she a robot-like and inhuman character?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Bella. AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
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Is she a logical rationalist, a strong, intelligent Bella an altruistic and rational heroine who’s willing to put her life on the line for what’s right and a well-meaning altruist? do something about vampires eating humans when no one else will? Or is she simply an arrogant, self-righteous, power hungry megalomaniac? a WellIntentionedExtremist who’s convinced she has all the answers and takes irresponsible risks with other people’s lives as much as her own?
***
For that matter, Bella’s mental control. Is she simply levelheaded and good at managing her emotions, or is she a believable, well-constructed, intriguing character? an EmotionlessGirl?
** Does Aro genuinely believe in the stability of the vampire world under the Volturi, while happening to also enjoy the perks of his position?
Or is he purely motivated by his own love of power?
** Siobhan’s choice to [[spoiler:help put a VegetarianVampire government in power]] is also subject to this. Did
she decide she was willing to give up human blood in order to have a robot-like stable government not prone to holding innocents in [[BlackSite Black Sites]] (and not have to run said government herself)? Alternatively, did she expect to be able to worm her way out of that restriction, and inhuman character?realize only too late that she wouldn't?



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: A fair number of readers find Bella less than likable, with her plans to [[spoiler: kill the Volturi, convert to vegetarianism or kill every single vampire in existence, turn all or most humans into vampires, and ''take over the world''.]] Then there are the smaller things, like her tendencies to constantly go behind her family's backs to do things that may [[spoiler: and do]] have disastrous consequences to them all.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: A fair number of readers find UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** To some readers,
Bella less than likable, with in the first book comes off as megalomaniacal in her plans ambitions to [[spoiler: kill change the Volturi, convert to vegetarianism or kill every single vampire in existence, turn all or most humans into vampires, world, and ''take over the world''.]] Then there are the smaller things, like unwilling to consider when she might be wrong. This isn’t helped by her tendencies tendency to constantly go behind her family's backs to do things that may [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and do]] have disastrous consequences to for them all.
all. The impact of her actions on the rest of the Cullens is explored in Flash 16 (“Esme”).
** Particularly while the fic was ongoing, some readers were turned off by Bella’s propensity to push her pro-vampirism beliefs on humans, particularly in regards to persuading them to turn. This reaction died down for the most part after [[spoiler:chapter 52 of Radiance was posted, where Bella is shown carefully designing the new laws to [[ProHumanTranshuman protect the right of free choice for humans]], including stringent penalties for non-consensual turning under any circumstances, in the face of opposition from other characters]].

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