History YMMV / Joker2019

* OneSceneWonder: A preteen Bruce Wayne is hanging out by the gates of Wayne Manor when Arthur shows up. He's [[TheStoic incredibly dour]] [[CreepyChild and his lips don't so much as twitch at Arthur's clownish antics]].

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation/Joker2019 Has its own page.]]

* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Some clueless parents were taking their kids to see this movie just because it was part of the Batman franchise, unaware that it was rated '''R'''. Alamo Drafthouse had to issue a [[https://ew.com/movies/2019/10/02/joker-parents-warning/ PSA]] to said parents about not taking their kids to see it, and at least one theater placed signs at the ticket office stating that the movie was a hard "R", listed a content warning, and stated that they'd be strictly carding younger-looking ticket customers. And while there's no shortage of [[Film/Watchmen2009 R]]-[[Film/{{Logan}} Rated]] [[Film/{{Deadpool}} superhero]] [[Film/TheSuicideSquad movies]] not meant for younger audiences, most of them still have enough elements of typical superhero fare (colourful characters or creative, superpowered battle sequences) that kids can get into them. Meanwhile, ''Joker'' is an adult drama entirely devoid of action and focused mainly on dialogue, meaning that it would probably bore any kid who did manage to see it.

** When you are dealing with a violent person, don't get confrontational with them-most especially when they have admitted that they have admitted to murder. No matter how just you might feel you are to call them out, that person is still dangerous and will not think twice about harming you.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Arthur, especially throughout his search for his father, whom he believes is Thomas Wayne. We're supposed to be angry at Thomas Wayne for being classist and for not being kind to Arthur when he speaks to him, but before, Arthur had gone to his Wayne Manor without asking and approached Bruce. Then he stalked Thomas at the theatre before staring at Thomas uncomfortably in the bathroom, accosting Thomas and asking him to give him a hug. While Thomas hitting him was a little far, it's understandable why Wayne reacted that way with that foreknowledge.

* TrueArtIsAngsty: A lot of the praise towards the film is centered around its no-nonsense, grim, and outright depressing (bordering on nihilistic) portrayal of an apathetic, self-destructive society that many note at times seems to ''deserve'' the Joker. Phoenix himself is praised for his compelling performance as Arthur Fleck, and how he was able to add a deep layer of tragedy to a character known for basically embodying CrossesTheLineTwice.

** Being right about someone's bad behavior doesn't justify throwing gasoline into the fire and making them feel worse. While Arthur's behavior leaves a lot to be desired, [[JerkassHasAPoint and many people are right to be annoyed with him]], nobody actually tries to spell out for him what he should do to better himself. His therapist asks him useless questions, he is constantly berated by the people around him, and Murray Franklin makes the [[SarcasmMode extremely wise decision]] of [[BullyingADragon castigating a self-confessed murderer]], which ends quite poorly.

** The scene where Joker silently does a slow dance in a bathroom after killing three Wayne Enterprises employees who harassed him on a train.
** The subway scene itself has also become one; even many critics who disliked the movie admitted that that scene was well done.

** Joker ranting about his mistreatment from society on Murray Franklin's talk show, which instigates an argument between the two of them that culminates in Joker shooting Murray on live television.
** Joker standing on a car above a crowd of cheering supporters near the end, with the climactic moment of the scene being him painting a smile onto his face using his blood.