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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie has been demmed forgettable, but the score by Music/{{Vangelis}}, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs eponymous theme]], is not.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie has been demmed forgettable, but the score by Music/{{Vangelis}}, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs eponymous theme]], is not.simply unforgettable.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score by Music/{{Vangelis}}, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs eponymous theme]], is not.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was has been demmed forgettable, but the score by Music/{{Vangelis}}, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs eponymous theme]], is not.
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* AmericansHateTingle: Filmic aspects aside, the movie keeps an ill reputation among Spanish critics as a fist-pumping example of the Spanish Black Legend, in this case to the extent of portraying history exactly backwards and having the Genoese Columbus, whom even the Spaniards of his time would come to consider a criminal, portrayed as saintly and heroic in stark contrast to the racist and murderous Kingdom of Spain.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Filmic aspects aside, the movie keeps an ill reputation among Spanish critics as a fist-pumping example of the Spanish Black Legend, in this case to the extent of portraying history exactly backwards and having the Genoese Columbus, UsefulNotes/ChristopherColumbus, whom even the Spaniards of his time would come to consider a criminal, portrayed as saintly and heroic in stark contrast to the racist and murderous [[UsefulNotes/TheKingdomOfSpain Kingdom of Spain.Spain]].
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* MemeticMutation: The glum description of Spain given in the prologue, especially the point about men being "persecuted for daring to dream", is sometimes sarcastically quoted among detractors of the Black Legend.

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* MemeticMutation: The glum description of Spain given in the prologue, especially the point about men being "persecuted for daring to dream", is sometimes sarcastically quoted among detractors by critics of the Black Legend.Legend. It was so memorable that popular Spanish historian Javier Rubio Donzé used the quote to promote his book about the topic in 2023, thirty years after the film was released.



* UncertainAudience: Considering historical colonists are not in vogue anymore, the film clearly doesn't appeal to wide audiences, but in turn it gives Columbus a level of HistoricalHeroUpgrade that no history buff buys nowadays, and also leaves Spain, its most likely crowd in any case, with a purple eye by giving them a HistoricalVillainUpgrade blatant even for the usual standards. It's not hard to see why the film failed in most fields.

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* UncertainAudience: Considering historical colonists are not in vogue anymore, the film clearly doesn't didn't appeal to wide audiences, but in turn given that it gives also gave Columbus a high level of HistoricalHeroUpgrade that no HistoricalHeroUpgrade, it alienated history buff buys nowadays, buffs too -- and also leaves Spain, its most likely crowd in any case, given that it ''also'' left Spain with a purple eye by giving them a HistoricalVillainUpgrade blatant even for the usual standards. standards, the film also managed to ruin its safest crowd. It's not hard to see why the film failed in most fields.it failed.

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* QuestionableCasting: The famously French Creator/GerardDepardieu being cast as the famously Italian Columbus raised more than a few eyebrows, though upon release many critics conceded that he did a damn good job in a film which was otherwise mediocre at best.



* WTHCastingAgency: The famously French Creator/GerardDepardieu being cast as the famously Italian Columbus raised more than a few eyebrows, though upon release many critics conceded that he did a damn good job in a film which was otherwise mediocre at best.

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* MemeticMutation: The glum description of Spain given in the prologue, especially the point about men being "persecuted for daring to dream", is often sarcastically quoted among Hispanism-oriented people.

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* MemeticMutation: The glum description of Spain given in the prologue, especially the point about men being "persecuted for daring to dream", is often sometimes sarcastically quoted among Hispanism-oriented people.detractors of the Black Legend.


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* UncertainAudience: Considering historical colonists are not in vogue anymore, the film clearly doesn't appeal to wide audiences, but in turn it gives Columbus a level of HistoricalHeroUpgrade that no history buff buys nowadays, and also leaves Spain, its most likely crowd in any case, with a purple eye by giving them a HistoricalVillainUpgrade blatant even for the usual standards. It's not hard to see why the film failed in most fields.
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* AmericansHateTingle: Filmic aspects aside, the movie keeps an ill reputation among Spanish critics as a fist-pumping example of the Spanish Black Legend, in this case to the extent of portraying history exactly backwards and having the Genoese Columbus, whom even the Spaniards of his time would come to consider a criminal, portrayed as saintly and heroic in stark contrast to the racist and murderous Kingdom of Spain.


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* MemeticMutation: The glum description of Spain given in the prologue, especially the point about men being "persecuted for daring to dream", is often sarcastically quoted among Hispanism-oriented people.

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*CompleteMonster: [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade Adrián de Moxica]] is imagined as UsefulNotes/ChristopherColumbus's ArchEnemy, a Spanish blackguard who immediately sees it fit to start indiscriminately slaughtering Native tribes the second he has pretext to. Swayed against this by [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade Columbus]], Moxica enslaves the natives instead, lopping off the hand of one who fails to bring him any gold. Moxica attempts to lead a bloody mutiny against Columbus and [[SpitefulSuicide spitefully commits suicide]] when this fails, mocking Columbus over how his dreams of a new Eden have failed.



* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation (including among historians), a movie where he's depicted as benevolent to the natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably undoubtedly a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation (including among historians), a movie where he's depicted as benevolent to the natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score by Music/{{Vangelis}}, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs main theme]], is not.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score by Music/{{Vangelis}}, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs main eponymous theme]], is not.



* WTHCastingAgency: Gérard Depardieu, a famously French actor, being cast as the famously Italian Columbus raised more than a few eyebrows, though upon release many critics conceded that he did a damn good job in a film which was otherwise mediocre at best.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Gérard Depardieu, a The famously French actor, Creator/GerardDepardieu being cast as the famously Italian Columbus raised more than a few eyebrows, though upon release many critics conceded that he did a damn good job in a film which was otherwise mediocre at best.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Some have suggested that the film would have worked better as a miniseries than as a theatrical film, thus adding some much-needed depth to the plot and characterization and potentially avoiding the PoliticallyCorrectHistory for which the film has often been criticized.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Some Many have suggested that the film would have worked better as a miniseries than as a theatrical film, thus adding some much-needed depth to the plot and characterization and potentially avoiding the PoliticallyCorrectHistory for which the film has often been criticized.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Some have suggested that the film would have worked better as a miniseries than as a theatrical film, thus adding some much-needed depth to the plot and characterization and potentially avoiding the PoliticallyCorrectHistory for which the film has often been criticized.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Some have suggested that the film would have worked better as a miniseries than as a theatrical film, thus adding some much-needed depth to the plot and characterization and potentially avoiding the PoliticallyCorrectHistory for which the film has often been criticized.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation (including among historians), a movie where he's depicted as benevolent to the natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.



* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation (including among historians), a movie where he's depicted as benevolent to the natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.
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* WTHCastingAgency: Gérard Depardieu, a famously French actor, being cast as the famously Italian Columbus raised more than a few eyebrows, though upon release many critics conceded that he did a damn good job in a film which was otherwise mediocre at best.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation, a movie where he's depicted as benevolent to the natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation, interpretation (including among historians), a movie where he's depicted as benevolent to the natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent to natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent to the natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation in the decades since, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent to natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as the collective narrative of Columbus and other Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal monsters became has since become more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation in the decades since, interpretation, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent to natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as Columbus and other Spanish/Europeans being genocidal evil monsters became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation after the film's release, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent to natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as Columbus and other Spanish/Europeans Spanish/European colonizers being genocidal evil monsters became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation after in the film's release, decades since, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent to natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as Columbus being a genocidal monster became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation after the film's release, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent to natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as Columbus and other Spanish/Europeans being a genocidal monster evil monsters became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation after the film's release, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent to natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/72177/1492-conquest-of-paradise/ DVD Talk's review]] suggests that the film would have worked better as a miniseries than as a theatrical film, thus adding some much-needed depth to the plot and characterization and potentially avoiding the PoliticallyCorrectHistory for which the film has often been criticized.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/72177/1492-conquest-of-paradise/ DVD Talk's review]] suggests Some have suggested that the film would have worked better as a miniseries than as a theatrical film, thus adding some much-needed depth to the plot and characterization and potentially avoiding the PoliticallyCorrectHistory for which the film has often been criticized.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/72177/1492-conquest-of-paradise/ DVD Talk's review]] suggests that the film would have worked better as a miniseries than as a theatrical film, thus adding some much-needed depth to the plot and characterization and potentially avoiding the PoliticallyCorrectHistory for which the film has often been criticized.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as Columbus being a genocidal monster became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation after the film's release, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent would be considered downright racist propaganda these days.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in its failure, as Columbus being a genocidal monster became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation after the film's release, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent would be considered downright to natives now comes off as outright racist propaganda these days.propaganda.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in it's original release and was undoubtably a major factor in it's failure, as Columbus's true nature as a genocidal monster became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation after the film's release, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent would be considered downright racist propaganda these days.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in it's its original release and was undoubtably a major factor in it's its failure, as Columbus's true nature as Columbus being a genocidal monster became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation after the film's release, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent would be considered downright racist propaganda these days.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in it's original release and was undoubtably a major factor in it's failure, now that Columbus's true nature as a genocidal monster are more widely accepted as fact rather than interpretation, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent would be considered downright racist propaganda these days.

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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in it's original release and was undoubtably a major factor in it's failure, now that as Columbus's true nature as a genocidal monster are became more widely accepted as a fact rather than interpretation, interpretation after the film's release, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent would be considered downright racist propaganda these days.
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* ValuesDissonance: While the film's PoliticallyCorrectHistory made it unpopular in it's original release and was undoubtably a major factor in it's failure, now that Columbus's true nature as a genocidal monster are more widely accepted as fact rather than interpretation, a movie where he's depicted as even remotely benevolent would be considered downright racist propaganda these days.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs main theme]], is not.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score, score by Music/{{Vangelis}}, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs main theme]], is not.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs main theme]], is not.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs main theme]], is not.not.

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* AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs main theme]], is not.

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* AwesomeMusic: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The movie was forgettable, but the score, particularly the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmlAaybIEs main theme]], is not.
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