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* AmericansHateTingle: The gameplay is generally looked down upon in Western countries compared to Japan. This is because it is part of the Musou game genre, which is seen as a repetitive button masher, whereas it's more popular in Japan due to the Dynasty Warriors games.

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* AmericansHateTingle: The gameplay is generally looked down upon in Western countries compared to Japan. This is because it is part of the Musou game genre, which is seen as a repetitive button masher, whereas it's more popular in Japan due to the Dynasty Warriors games. There is also how the game is generally more simpler than any flagship Musou title in terms of gameplay, due to more emphasis on storyline.


** [[spoiler: Saber Venus]] is [[PurposelyOverpowered specifically created to be this]]. Her normal attacks can stagger Servants even if they are in Moon Crux/Regalia Mode and is an incredible LightningBruiser. Her only flaws are that she cannot use Moon Crux/Regalia Mode (since [[spoiler:Saber Venus]] itself '''is''' a SuperMode, this makes sense) and Noble Phantasm (considering how powerful it is [[spoiler:at the end of the True Route, it could easily destroy the battlefield]] this also makes sense) in Free Battle and her Bond Level Growth is incredibly limited [[note]] You can only use Code Casts to improve her Bond Level [[FridgeLogic which is also odd]] because [[spoiler:Saber Venus is Nero]][[/note]] but she is incredibly powerful.

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** [[spoiler: Saber Venus]] is [[PurposelyOverpowered specifically created to be this]]. Her normal attacks can stagger Servants even if they are in Moon Crux/Regalia Mode and is an incredible LightningBruiser. Her only flaws are that she cannot use Moon Crux/Regalia Mode (since [[spoiler:Saber Venus]] itself '''is''' a SuperMode, this makes sense) and Noble Phantasm (considering how powerful it is [[spoiler:at the end of the True Route, it could easily destroy the battlefield]] battlefield]], this also makes sense) in Free Battle and her Bond Level Growth is incredibly limited [[note]] You can only use Code Casts to improve her Bond Level [[FridgeLogic which is also odd]] because [[spoiler:Saber Venus is Nero]][[/note]] but she is incredibly powerful.


** [[spoiler: Saber Venus]] is [[PurposelyOverpowered specifically created to be this]]. Her normal attacks can stagger Servants even if they are in Moon Crux/Regalia Mode and is an incredible LightningBruiser. Her only flaws are that she cannot use a Moon Crux Mode (since [[spoiler:Saber Venus]] itself '''is''' a SuperMode) and Noble Phantasm (considering how powerful it is [[spoiler:at the end of the True Route, it could easily destroy the battlefield]] this also makes sense) in Free Battle and her Bond Level Growth is incredibly limited [[note]] You can only use Code Casts to improve her Bond Level [[FridgeLogic which is also odd]] because [[spoiler:Saber Venus is Nero]][[/note]] but she is incredibly powerful.

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** [[spoiler: Saber Venus]] is [[PurposelyOverpowered specifically created to be this]]. Her normal attacks can stagger Servants even if they are in Moon Crux/Regalia Mode and is an incredible LightningBruiser. Her only flaws are that she cannot use a Moon Crux Crux/Regalia Mode (since [[spoiler:Saber Venus]] itself '''is''' a SuperMode) SuperMode, this makes sense) and Noble Phantasm (considering how powerful it is [[spoiler:at the end of the True Route, it could easily destroy the battlefield]] this also makes sense) in Free Battle and her Bond Level Growth is incredibly limited [[note]] You can only use Code Casts to improve her Bond Level [[FridgeLogic which is also odd]] because [[spoiler:Saber Venus is Nero]][[/note]] but she is incredibly powerful.


** [[spoiler: Saber Venus]] is [[PurposelyOverpowered specifically created to be this]]. Her normal attacks can stagger Servants even if they are in Moon Crux/Regalia Mode and is an incredible LightningBruiser. Her only flaws are that she cannot use a Moon Crux Mode and Noble Phantasm in Free Battle and her Bond Level Growth is incredibly limited [[note]] You can only use Code Casts to improve her Bond Level [[FridgeLogic which is also odd]] because [[spoiler:Saber Venus is Nero]][[/note]] but she is incredibly powerful.

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** [[spoiler: Saber Venus]] is [[PurposelyOverpowered specifically created to be this]]. Her normal attacks can stagger Servants even if they are in Moon Crux/Regalia Mode and is an incredible LightningBruiser. Her only flaws are that she cannot use a Moon Crux Mode (since [[spoiler:Saber Venus]] itself '''is''' a SuperMode) and Noble Phantasm (considering how powerful it is [[spoiler:at the end of the True Route, it could easily destroy the battlefield]] this also makes sense) in Free Battle and her Bond Level Growth is incredibly limited [[note]] You can only use Code Casts to improve her Bond Level [[FridgeLogic which is also odd]] because [[spoiler:Saber Venus is Nero]][[/note]] but she is incredibly powerful.

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** [[spoiler: Saber Venus]] is [[PurposelyOverpowered specifically created to be this]]. Her normal attacks can stagger Servants even if they are in Moon Crux/Regalia Mode and is an incredible LightningBruiser. Her only flaws are that she cannot use a Moon Crux Mode and Noble Phantasm in Free Battle and her Bond Level Growth is incredibly limited [[note]] You can only use Code Casts to improve her Bond Level [[FridgeLogic which is also odd]] because [[spoiler:Saber Venus is Nero]][[/note]] but she is incredibly powerful.


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** The portrayal of the two heroines and the two heroes contributed to this even further. In VideoGame/FateExtra and CCC all four of the main servants had been depicted as Anti-Heroes, and their flaws were always emphasized by the games. Extella gave Nero another HistoricalHeroUpgrade beyond the one Extra had given her, and played up her better traits while simultaneously highlighting Tamamo's worst ones. Combined with the sidelining of Nameless and Gilgamesh (both of them were made their factions NumberTwo and didn't contribute much to the story) it made the player base feel like not only was Nero being pushed, but other characters were actively being sidelined or sabotaged to promote her.
** Archimedes' [[spoiler:reveal as the BigBad. One camp sees him as an effective, entertaining chessmaster, while others decry him claiming that his reveal completely sidelines and damsels the much more well received Altera, his plan and motivations make no sense, and his lore as a Velber-corrupted Servant completely contradicts the laws of Moon Cell Servants being ''literally'' incapable of defying the Moon Cell's will in ''any'' way.]]

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* BrokenBase:
** The portrayal of the two heroines and the two heroes contributed to this even further. In VideoGame/FateExtra and CCC all four of the main servants had been depicted as Anti-Heroes, and their flaws were always emphasized by the games. Extella gave Nero another HistoricalHeroUpgrade beyond the one Extra had given her, and played up her better traits while simultaneously highlighting Tamamo's worst ones. Combined with the sidelining of Nameless and Gilgamesh (both of them were made their factions NumberTwo and didn't contribute much to the story) it made the player base feel like not only was Nero being pushed, but other characters were actively being sidelined or sabotaged to promote her.
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BrokenBase: Archimedes' [[spoiler:reveal as the BigBad. One camp sees him as an effective, entertaining chessmaster, while others decry him claiming that his reveal completely sidelines and damsels the much more well received Altera, his plan and motivations make no sense, and his lore as a Velber-corrupted Servant completely contradicts the laws of Moon Cell Servants being ''literally'' incapable of defying the Moon Cell's will in ''any'' way.]]

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* GameBreaker: Gawain in ''Umbral Star''. Once his full moveset is unlocked, Gawain have a self buff that gives him improved attack range, and 2 move that staggers the opponent in place for high combo count before exploding them for massive damage with the full version of C4 and C5. During the duration of his self buff, C4 fills the Extella gauge at ridiculous pace, allowing Gawain to freely use Extella Maneuver to fulfill killcounts quota and quickly fills out his Moon Drive gauge. In his Moon Drive form, Gawain's C5 turns into a monstrous move, it locks enemy servant in place even through SuperArmor, and the explosion finisher does massive damage, able to 1-2 shot most boss servant.
** In general Extella Maneuver is broken, but what really breaks it is [[BoringButPractical using it by forgoing extended Extella Maneuver in favor of spamming it for 1 bar each]]. To begin with, the start up for Extella Meneuver gives you invincibility, and the move is executed during a time stop state making it really safe, and it covers the entire screen. While the overall damage of Extella Maneuver is tied towards the gauge spent during the move, the finisher of Extella Maneuver still have enough damage to clear most mobs, and do a decent damage against servant enemies. Used this way, Extella Maneuver is essentially a crowd clearing, safety, and offensive move all at once, and the only thing that comes close to its limitation is the amount of Extella gauge to use, something that is easilly solved with instant skills, and the sheer amount of kill counts you get by spamming the move.


** The second stage isn't much better as you can't use Code Casts until during your battle against Gilgamesh and since the scene cuts into the battle against Jeanne first, you can't use skills to help you. Even if you manage to defeat Ruler, you then get pitted against Gilgamesh right afterwards who's much more frustrating to get around.

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** The second stage isn't much better as you can't use Code Casts until during your battle against Gilgamesh and since the scene cuts into the battle against Jeanne first, you can't use skills to help you. Even if you manage to defeat Ruler, you then get pitted against Gilgamesh right afterwards who's much more frustrating to get around.around.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The drastic change in gameplay and aesthetic, combined with MergingTheBranches has alienated some fans. Made worse because the player has no freedom to explore the world outside of battle, forcing lore and character interactions to be spoonfed to the player, or relegated to encyclopedia-style info dumps.


** It does not really help that in one of his interview from Type Moon Ace 11 magazine Nasu actually mentioned that prior to Extella his original plan was to create a Tamamo centered game. This lead some fans to believe that the entire problem with Extella is the result of ExecutiveMeddling.



* CharacterFocus: Nero's prominence. While ''EXTRA'' and ''CCC'' didn't originally treat any Servant as more canon than any other, Nero has since been declared Hakuno's [[CuttingOffTheBranches canon Servant]], is the star of TheAnimeOfTheGame, stars in the True Route, and even had a whole chapter of CharacterShilling in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder''. While other servants got their own routes as well, one could argue that Extella is focused on giving Nero more spotlight, HistoricalHeroUpgrade and playing up her better trait while at the same time [[SpotlightStealingSquad sidelining]] and [[RonTheDeathEater highlighting her rivals worse trait]].

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* CharacterFocus: Nero's prominence. While ''EXTRA'' and ''CCC'' didn't originally treat any Servant as more canon than any other, Nero has since been declared Hakuno's [[CuttingOffTheBranches canon Servant]], is the star of TheAnimeOfTheGame, stars in the True Route, and even had a whole chapter of CharacterShilling in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder''. While other servants got their own routes as well, one could argue that Extella is focused on giving Nero more spotlight, HistoricalHeroUpgrade and playing up her better trait while at the same time [[SpotlightStealingSquad sidelining]] and [[RonTheDeathEater highlighting her rivals worse trait]].


* BrokenBase: Nero's prominence. While ''EXTRA'' and ''CCC'' didn't originally treat any Servant as more canon than any other, Nero has since been declared Hakuno's [[CuttingOffTheBranches canon Servant]], is the star of TheAnimeOfTheGame, stars in the True Route, and even had a whole chapter of CharacterShilling in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder''. Some fans are upset that Nero keeps [[SpotlightStealingSquad stealing the spotlight]] away from Nameless, Gilgamesh, and ''especially'' Tamamo, who doesn't have any other appearances to fall back on. Not helped by the fact that she's ANOTHER Saberface, who tend to have to spotlight outright GIVEN to them by Nasu. Others think that Nero is a fine heroine, and point out that the others are still included in the overall story.

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* BrokenBase: Nero's prominence. While ''EXTRA'' and ''CCC'' didn't originally treat any Servant as more canon than any other, Nero has since been declared Hakuno's [[CuttingOffTheBranches canon Servant]], is the star of TheAnimeOfTheGame, stars in the True Route, and even had a whole chapter of CharacterShilling in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder''. Some fans are upset that Nero keeps [[SpotlightStealingSquad stealing the spotlight]] away from Nameless, Gilgamesh, and ''especially'' Tamamo, who doesn't have any other appearances to fall back on. Not helped by the fact that she's ANOTHER Saberface, who tend to have to spotlight outright GIVEN to them by Nasu. Others think that Nero is a fine heroine, and point out that the others are still included in the overall story.


** Archimedes' [[spoiler:reveal as the BigBad. One camp sees him as an effective, entertaining chessmaster, while others decry him claiming his plan and motivations make no sense and his lore as a Velber-corrupted Servant completely contradicts the laws of Moon Cell Servants being ''literally'' incapable of defying the Moon Cell's will in ''any'' way.]]

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** Archimedes' [[spoiler:reveal as the BigBad. One camp sees him as an effective, entertaining chessmaster, while others decry him claiming that his reveal completely sidelines and damsels the much more well received Altera, his plan and motivations make no sense sense, and his lore as a Velber-corrupted Servant completely contradicts the laws of Moon Cell Servants being ''literally'' incapable of defying the Moon Cell's will in ''any'' way.]]

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** Archimedes' [[spoiler:reveal as the BigBad. One camp sees him as an effective, entertaining chessmaster, while others decry him claiming his plan and motivations make no sense and his lore as a Velber-corrupted Servant completely contradicts the laws of Moon Cell Servants being ''literally'' incapable of defying the Moon Cell's will in ''any'' way.]]


** It does not really help that in one of his interview from Type Moon Ace 11 magazine Nasu actually mentioned that prior to Extella his original plan is to create a Tamamo centered game. This lead some fans to believe that the entire problem with Extella is the result of ExecutiveMeddling.

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** It does not really help that in one of his interview from Type Moon Ace 11 magazine Nasu actually mentioned that prior to Extella his original plan is was to create a Tamamo centered game. This lead some fans to believe that the entire problem with Extella is the result of ExecutiveMeddling.

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** It does not really help that in one of his interview from Type Moon Ace 11 magazine Nasu actually mentioned that prior to Extella his original plan is to create a Tamamo centered game. This lead some fans to believe that the entire problem with Extella is the result of ExecutiveMeddling.

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