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* FridgeLogic: The humans learn that in the future, [[AnimalIsTheNewMan apes will talk and treat humans like animals]]. So they want to prevent Cornelius and Zira from having descendants as their descendants would probably be talking apes. They fail. But does this mean that Cornelius and Zira are their own ancestors?
** No, because the origin story they told (of an ape slave who one day said to humans what had been said to him a thousand times over - "no") is different from what came to be after they traveled back in time - their son Milo/Caesar became the [[MessianicArchetype savior of the apes]] instead.
** Probably not. Other chimps evolve by the time of the next film, after all.
** And their son, Milo, [[spoiler:who becomes Caesar in that next film, loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]
** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to (a) find out which lake in the Forbidden Zone Taylor's ship was in, (b) find out ''where'' in the lake the ship was, (c) bring boats to the lake capable of raising Taylor's ship, (d) raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, (e) figure out how to use its vastly superior technology and get it working again, including ''refitting its blown hatches'' , and (f) launch it, all in the short period of time shown in the first two movies, just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...
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** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to (a) find out which lake in the Forbidden Zone Taylor's ship was in, (b) find out ''where'' in the lake the ship was, (c) bring boats to the lake capable of raising Taylor's ship, (d) raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, (e) figure out how to use its vastly superior technology and get it working again, including ''refitting its blown hatches'' , and (f) launch it, all in the short period of time shown in ''Film/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'' (at most a month), just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...

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** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to (a) find out which lake in the Forbidden Zone Taylor's ship was in, (b) find out ''where'' in the lake the ship was, (c) bring boats to the lake capable of raising Taylor's ship, (d) raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, (e) figure out how to use its vastly superior technology and get it working again, including ''refitting its blown hatches'' , and (f) launch it, all in the short period of time shown in ''Film/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'' (at most a month), the first two movies, just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...
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** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to (a) find out which lake in the Forbidden Zone Taylor's ship was in, (b) find out ''where'' in the lake the ship was, (c) bring boats to the lake capable of raising Taylor's ship, (d) raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, (e) ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, and (f) figure out how to use its vastly superior technology and launch it, all in the short period of time shown in ''Film/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'' (at most a few weeks), just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...

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** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to (a) find out which lake in the Forbidden Zone Taylor's ship was in, (b) find out ''where'' in the lake the ship was, (c) bring boats to the lake capable of raising Taylor's ship, (d) raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, (e) ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, and (f) figure out how to use its vastly superior technology and get it working again, including ''refitting its blown hatches'' , and (f) launch it, all in the short period of time shown in ''Film/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'' (at most a few weeks), month), just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...
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** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to (a) find out which lake in the Forbidden Zone Taylor's ship was in, (b) find out ''where'' in the lake the ship was, (c) bring boats to the lake capable of raising Taylor's ship, (d) raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, (e) ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, and (f) figure out how to use its vastly superior technology and launch it, all in the short period of time shown in ''Film/BeneaththePlanetOftheapes'' (at most a few weeks), just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...

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** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to (a) find out which lake in the Forbidden Zone Taylor's ship was in, (b) find out ''where'' in the lake the ship was, (c) bring boats to the lake capable of raising Taylor's ship, (d) raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, (e) ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, and (f) figure out how to use its vastly superior technology and launch it, all in the short period of time shown in ''Film/BeneaththePlanetOftheapes'' ''Film/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'' (at most a few weeks), just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...
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** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...

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** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to (a) find out which lake in the Forbidden Zone Taylor's ship was in, (b) find out ''where'' in the lake the ship was, (c) bring boats to the lake capable of raising Taylor's ship, (d) raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, (e) ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, and (f) figure out how to use its vastly superior technology and launch it, all in the short period of time shown in ''Film/BeneaththePlanetOftheapes'' (at most a few weeks), just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Dr. Hasslein's traits as an AntiVillain in trying to save the human race should have been explored more much like his later fleshed-out counterpart [[Film/WarForThePlanetOfTheApes Colonel McCullough]], but is instead sold as a little characterized BigBad to a point his portrayer Creator/EricBraeden viewed his role as an OldShame for being another caricature in his film and television filmography of playing TheHeavy.

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* FridgeLogic: The humans learn that in the future, [[AnimalIsTheNewMan apes will talk and treat humans like animals]]. So they want to prevent Cornelius and Zira from having descendants as their descendants would probably be talking apes. [[ItWasHisSled They fail]]. But does this mean that Cornelius and Zira are their own ancestors?

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* FridgeLogic: The humans learn that in the future, [[AnimalIsTheNewMan apes will talk and treat humans like animals]]. So they want to prevent Cornelius and Zira from having descendants as their descendants would probably be talking apes. [[ItWasHisSled They fail]].fail. But does this mean that Cornelius and Zira are their own ancestors?



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Due to the comparisons being made with the well-developed [[Film/WarForThePlanetOfTheApes Colonel McCullough]], some can feel this way in regards to the sequel's WellIntentionedExtremist AntiVillain BigBad Doctor Otto Hasslein who and whose motivations should have been given the proper amount of depth as [=McCullough=], but instead reduced to a typical bad guy to a point his portrayer Eric Braeden has viewed his role as an OldShame of a caricature similar to his little-characterized television VillainOfTheWeek and ThoseWackyNazis roles in TheSixties that he tries to put behind.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Due to the comparisons being made with the well-developed [[Film/WarForThePlanetOfTheApes Colonel McCullough]], some can feel this way in regards to the sequel's WellIntentionedExtremist AntiVillain BigBad Doctor Otto Hasslein who and whose motivations should have been given the proper amount of depth as [=McCullough=], but instead reduced to a typical bad guy to a point his portrayer Eric Braeden has viewed his role as an OldShame of a caricature NotSoDifferent from his little-characterized television VillainOfTheWeek and ThoseWackyNazis roles in TheSixties that he tries to put behind.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Due to the comparisons being made with the well-developed [[Film/WarForThePlanetOfTheApes Colonel McCullough]], some can feel this way in regards to the sequel's WellIntentionedExtremist AntiVillain BigBad Doctor Otto Hasslein who and whose motivations should have been given the proper amount of depth as [=McCullough=], but instead reduced to a typical bad guy to a point his portrayer Eric Braeden has viewed his role as an OldShame of a caricature NotSoDifferent from similar to his little-characterized television VillainOfTheWeek and ThoseWackyNazis roles in TheSixties that he tries to put behind.
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** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:, who becomes Caesar in that next film, loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]

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** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:, who Milo, [[spoiler:who becomes Caesar in that next film, loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Due to the comparisons being made with the well-developed [[Film/WarForThePlanetOfTheApes Colonel McCullough]], some can feel this way in regards to the sequel's WellIntentionedExtremist AntiVillain BigBad Doctor Otto Hasslein who should have been given the proper amount of depth as McCullough, but instead reduced to a typical bad guy to a point his portrayer Eric Braeden has viewed his role as an OldShame of a caricature NotSoDifferent from his little-characterized television VillainOfTheWeek and ThoseWackyNazis roles in TheSixties that he tries to put behind.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Due to the comparisons being made with the well-developed [[Film/WarForThePlanetOfTheApes Colonel McCullough]], some can feel this way in regards to the sequel's WellIntentionedExtremist AntiVillain BigBad Doctor Otto Hasslein who and whose motivations should have been given the proper amount of depth as McCullough, [=McCullough=], but instead reduced to a typical bad guy to a point his portrayer Eric Braeden has viewed his role as an OldShame of a caricature NotSoDifferent from his little-characterized television VillainOfTheWeek and ThoseWackyNazis roles in TheSixties that he tries to put behind.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Due to the comparisons being made with the well-developed [[Film/WarForThePlanetOfTheApes Colonel McCullough]], some can feel this way in regards to the sequel's WellIntentionedExtremist AntiVillain BigBad Doctor Otto Hasslein who should have been given the proper amount of depth as McCullough, but instead reduced to a typical bad guy to a point his portrayer Eric Braeden has viewed his role as an OldShame of a caricature NotSoDifferent from his little-characterized television VillainOfTheWeek and ThoseWackyNazis roles in TheSixties that he tries to put behind.
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* ScienceMarchesOn: "Grape Juice Plus" (wine) was said to be an excellent restorative, especially in the case of pregnancy. When the movie was made the dangers of alcohol consumption during pregnancy weren't widely understood. [[note]] Fetal Alcohol Syndrome wasn't recognised until two years after this movie was made. While it is generally agreed that some alcohol consumption during pregnancy isn't harmful, for safety the US Surgeon General recommended abstinence from alcohol during pregnancy in 1981 (ten years after this film was made).[[/note]]
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** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:, who becomes Caesar in that next film, [[spoiler:loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]

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** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:, who becomes Caesar in that next film, [[spoiler:loses loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]
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* FridgeLogic: The humans learn that in the future, apes will talk and treat humans like animals. So they want to prevent Cornelius and Zira from having descendants as their descendants would probably be talking apes. [[ItWasHisSled They fail]]. But does this mean that Cornelius and Zira are their own ancestors?

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* FridgeLogic: The humans learn that in the future, [[AnimalIsTheNewMan apes will talk and treat humans like animals.animals]]. So they want to prevent Cornelius and Zira from having descendants as their descendants would probably be talking apes. [[ItWasHisSled They fail]]. But does this mean that Cornelius and Zira are their own ancestors?
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** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:who becomes Caesar in that next film]] [[spoiler:loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]

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** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:who [[spoiler:, who becomes Caesar in that next film]] film, [[spoiler:loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Compared to the divisived and at times reviled ''Film/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'', it's held in much better regard.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Compared to the divisived divisive and at times reviled ''Film/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'', it's held in much better regard.
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* JerkassWoobie: [[spoiler:Similar to his later counterpart [[Film/WarForThePlanetOfTheApes Colonel McCullough]], the comics painted Dr. Hasslein in this light, as he realized the ape-ruled future was ''his'' fault. He created the space-drive for the mission led by Taylor in hopes of a better future, but it has created a PredestinationParadox which caused the end of human civilization, the rise of the apes, and the destruction of the world. He took it upon himself to prevent the dark future he caused, by killing Zira's baby and the apes themselves to prevent them from having another child. However, his efforts were ultimately in vain.]]


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* TheWoobie: Cornelius and Zira, even the former thought after being prosecuted by the humans that Zira was treated like dirt by their antagonists.
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* ScienceMarchesOn: "Grape Juice Plus" (wine) was said to be an excellent restorative, especially in the case of pregnancy. When the movie was made the dangers of alcohol consumption during pregnancy weren't widely understood. [[note]] Fetal Alcohol Syndrome wasn't recognised until two years after this movie was made. While it is generally agreed that some alcohol consumption during pregnancy isn't harmful, for safety the US Surgeon General recommended abstinence from alcohol during pregnancy in 1981 (ten years after this film was made).[[/note]]

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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Cornelius and Zira's deaths. The most likeable, ''human'' characters in the entire series]].

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** [[spoiler: After the scene blacks out, Milo is still calling for his mama.]]
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Compared to the divisived and at times reviled ''BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'', it's held in much better regard.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Compared to the divisived and at times reviled ''BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'', ''Film/BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'', it's held in much better regard.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Compared to the divisived and at times reviled ''BeneathThePlanetOfTheApes'', it's held in much better regard.
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* FridgeLogic: The humans learn that in the future, apes will talk and treat humans like animals. So they want to prevent Cornelius and Zira from having descendants as their descendants would probably be talking apes. [[ItWasHisSled They fail]]. But does this mean that Cornelius and Zira are their own ancestors?
** No, because the origin story they told (of an ape slave who one day said to humans what had been said to him a thousand times over - "no") is different from what came to be after they traveled back in time - their son Milo/Caesar became the [[MessianicArchetype savior of the apes]] instead.
** Probably not. Other chimps evolve by the time of the next film, after all.
** And their son, Milo [[spoiler:who becomes Caesar in that next film]] [[spoiler:loses his son by the time of the fifth and final Ape movie. It doesn't say he and his wife had more children.]]
** On another point, it strains credibility (to say the least) that Dr. Milo would be able to raise Taylor's ship from the lakebed, ''refit its blown hatches'' and get it working again, just in time to escape the Earth's destruction. Of course, without that rather huge implausibility there'd be no movie, so...
* SpecialEffectFailure: [[spoiler: Milo repeatedly saying "Mama!"]] at the end of ''Escape'' is very obviously a short clip of a chimpanzee being played forwards and backwards repeatedly, and can serve as a source of {{Narm}} for an otherwise tragic scene.
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Cornelius and Zira's deaths. The most likeable, ''human'' characters in the entire series]].
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