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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many, Many ''ComicBook/StarWarsRepublic'' fans wouldn't view this as canon if you paid them. This is due to how the book radically alters the characters and storylines of a particularly popular Legends StoryArc.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many, Many many ''ComicBook/StarWarsRepublic'' fans wouldn't view this as canon if you paid them. This is due to how the book radically alters the characters and storylines of a surrounding Quinlan, Ventress, and their particularly popular Legends StoryArc.{{Story Arc}}s.
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** Killing off [[spoiler:Ventress was very divisive, with many feeling that her death was cheap and that she should have lived due to being a more prominent and popular character than Vos, while others felt that her embracing the light in death properly ended her story arc]]. Evidently, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/DaveFiloni couldn't agree either; [[spoiler:Filoni wanted another Ventress/Ahsoka team-up, but Lucas was never swayed by his proposals, and Filoni thought about having Ventress appear in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'', having been mysteriously revived at some point and now in old age, though her death was changed to being NotQuiteDead by the time she appeared in ''WesternAnimation/TheBadBatch''.]]

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** Killing off [[spoiler:Ventress was very divisive, with many feeling that her death was cheap and that she should have lived due to being a more prominent and popular character than Vos, while others felt that her embracing the light in death properly ended her story arc]]. Evidently, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/DaveFiloni couldn't agree either; [[spoiler:Filoni wanted another Ventress/Ahsoka team-up, but Lucas was never swayed by his proposals, and Filoni thought about having Ventress appear in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'', having been mysteriously revived at some point and now in old age, though her death was changed to being NotQuiteDead by the time she appeared in ''WesternAnimation/TheBadBatch''.''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheBadBatch''.]]
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** Killing off [[spoiler:Ventress was very divisive, with many feeling that her death was cheap and that she should have lived due to being a more prominent and popular character than Vos, while others felt that her embracing the light in death properly ended her story arc]]. Evidently, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/DaveFiloni couldn't agree either; [[spoiler:Filoni wanted another Ventress/Ahsoka team-up, but Lucas was never swayed by his proposals, and Filoni thought about having Ventress appear in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'', having been mysteriously revived at some point and now in old age.]]

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** Killing off [[spoiler:Ventress was very divisive, with many feeling that her death was cheap and that she should have lived due to being a more prominent and popular character than Vos, while others felt that her embracing the light in death properly ended her story arc]]. Evidently, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/DaveFiloni couldn't agree either; [[spoiler:Filoni wanted another Ventress/Ahsoka team-up, but Lucas was never swayed by his proposals, and Filoni thought about having Ventress appear in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'', having been mysteriously revived at some point and now in old age.age, though her death was changed to being NotQuiteDead by the time she appeared in ''WesternAnimation/TheBadBatch''.]]
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* IKnewIt: [[spoiler:Ventress' death; most fans had long since guessed that, since she was the only major character on the Separatist side not in some way present in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', she wasn't going to live through this book.]]
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** In a [[https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Season6WritersConferenceDaveNotes-75-e1394246617793-400x517.jpg piece of concept art]] depicting characters from both the two arcs upon which ''Dark Disciple'' is based and the ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'' arc, Quinlan Vos is shown wielding a crimson blade in a lightsaber duel with Maul. While it might have cluttered the more focused storyline of the book (except as something alluded to in passing), adapting that concept art scenario into animation could have been a good opportunity to have a spinoff episode focused on, e.g., Quinlan Vos being sent on a mission against Maul by Dooku during his time as his apprentice "Admiral Enigma" (likely after the eponymous "Dark Disciple" episode with Ventress leaving Vos to his fate on Serenno as Dooku's new apprentice at the end of the first arc, but before the "Saving Vos, Part I" episode that begins the second ''Dark Disciple'' arc in which he is rescued from Separatist captivity by Ventress and the Jedi, since those respective arcs aired in separate seasons). However, there is no further evidence that any such plans for a Maul-Vos storyline crossover progressed beyond the initial concept art.

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** In a [[https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Season6WritersConferenceDaveNotes-75-e1394246617793-400x517.jpg piece of concept art]] art depicting characters from both the two arcs upon which ''Dark Disciple'' is based and the ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'' arc, Quinlan Vos is shown wielding a crimson blade in a lightsaber duel with Maul. While it might have cluttered the more focused storyline of the book (except as something alluded to in passing), adapting that concept art scenario into animation could have been a good opportunity to have a spinoff episode focused on, e.g., Quinlan Vos being sent on a mission against Maul by Dooku during his time as his apprentice "Admiral Enigma" (likely after the eponymous "Dark Disciple" episode with Ventress leaving Vos to his fate on Serenno as Dooku's new apprentice at the end of the first arc, but before the "Saving Vos, Part I" episode that begins the second ''Dark Disciple'' arc in which he is rescued from Separatist captivity by Ventress and the Jedi, since those respective arcs aired in separate seasons). However, there is no further evidence that any such plans for a Maul-Vos storyline crossover progressed beyond the initial concept art.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many ''ComicBook/StarWarsRepublic'' fans wouldn’t view this as canon if you paid them. This is due to changes in the characters and storylines de-canonizing a particularly popular Legends story.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many, Many ''ComicBook/StarWarsRepublic'' fans wouldn’t view this as canon if you paid them. This is due to changes in how the book radically alters the characters and storylines de-canonizing of a particularly popular Legends story.StoryArc.
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* HarsherInHindsight:
** The novel begins with the Jedi Council deciding to assassinate Count Dooku. Creator/ChristopherLee, who played Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' passed away on Jun 7 2015- ''exactly a month prior'' to the release date of the novel.
** Before ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]''' PilotMovie was released, Ventress was stated to have [[FakingTheDead fake her death]], having [[DiedInYourArmsTonight died in Obi-Wan's arms]], then doing a ScrewThisImOuttaHere from the Clone Wars entirely in the ''Obsession'' comic from ''Legends'', with an AllThereInTheManual later saying that while in exile on Tatooine, Obi-Wan planted desert flowers in memory of Ventress. [[spoiler:In the Canon, she is now KilledOffForReal and [[SchrodingersCanon there is nothing to say that Obi-Wan still did or didn't plant flowers in Ventress's memory.]]]]
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many ''ComicBook/StarWarsRepublic'' fans wouldn’t view this as canon if you paid them. This is due to changes in the characters and storylines de-canonizing a particularly popular Legends story.
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** Killing off [[spoiler:Ventress was very divisive, with many feeling that her death was cheap and that she should have lived due to being a more prominent and popular character than Vos, while others felt that her embracing the light in death properly ended her story arc]]. Evidently, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/DaveFiloni couldn't agree either; Filoni wanted another Ventress/Ahsoka team-up, but Lucas was never swayed by his proposals, and Filoni thought about having Ventress appear in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'', having been mysteriously revived at some point and now in old age.

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** Killing off [[spoiler:Ventress was very divisive, with many feeling that her death was cheap and that she should have lived due to being a more prominent and popular character than Vos, while others felt that her embracing the light in death properly ended her story arc]]. Evidently, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/DaveFiloni couldn't agree either; Filoni [[spoiler:Filoni wanted another Ventress/Ahsoka team-up, but Lucas was never swayed by his proposals, and Filoni thought about having Ventress appear in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'', having been mysteriously revived at some point and now in old age. age.]]
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** Killing off [[spoiler:Ventress was very divisive, with many feeling that her death was cheap and that she should have lived due to being a more prominent and popular character than Vos, while others felt that her embracing the light in death properly ended her story arc.]]

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** Killing off [[spoiler:Ventress was very divisive, with many feeling that her death was cheap and that she should have lived due to being a more prominent and popular character than Vos, while others felt that her embracing the light in death properly ended her story arc.]]arc]]. Evidently, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/DaveFiloni couldn't agree either; Filoni wanted another Ventress/Ahsoka team-up, but Lucas was never swayed by his proposals, and Filoni thought about having Ventress appear in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'', having been mysteriously revived at some point and now in old age.
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** In a [[https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Season6WritersConferenceDaveNotes-75-e1394246617793-400x517.jpg piece of concept art]] depicting characters from both the two arcs upon which ''Dark Disciple'' is based and the ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'' arc, Quinlan Vos is shown wielding a crimson blade in a lightsaber duel with Maul. While it might have cluttered the more focused storyline of the book's plot, adapting that concept art scenario into animation could have been a good opportunity to have a spinoff episode focused on, e.g., Quinlan Vos being sent on a mission against Maul by Dooku during his time as his apprentice "Admiral Enigma" (likely after the first ''Dark Disciple'' arc with Ventress leaving him to his fate on Serenno as Dooku's new apprentice, but before the second ''Dark Disciple'' arc where he is rescued by Ventress and the Jedi, since they aired in separate seasons). However, there is no further evidence that any such plans for a Maul-Vos storyline crossover progressed beyond the initial concept art.

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** In a [[https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Season6WritersConferenceDaveNotes-75-e1394246617793-400x517.jpg piece of concept art]] depicting characters from both the two arcs upon which ''Dark Disciple'' is based and the ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'' arc, Quinlan Vos is shown wielding a crimson blade in a lightsaber duel with Maul. While it might have cluttered the more focused storyline of the book's plot, book (except as something alluded to in passing), adapting that concept art scenario into animation could have been a good opportunity to have a spinoff episode focused on, e.g., Quinlan Vos being sent on a mission against Maul by Dooku during his time as his apprentice "Admiral Enigma" (likely after the first ''Dark Disciple'' arc eponymous "Dark Disciple" episode with Ventress leaving him Vos to his fate on Serenno as Dooku's new apprentice, apprentice at the end of the first arc, but before the "Saving Vos, Part I" episode that begins the second ''Dark Disciple'' arc where in which he is rescued from Separatist captivity by Ventress and the Jedi, since they those respective arcs aired in separate seasons). However, there is no further evidence that any such plans for a Maul-Vos storyline crossover progressed beyond the initial concept art.
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** In a [[https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Season6WritersConferenceDaveNotes-75-e1394246617793-400x517.jpg piece of concept art]] depicting characters from both the two arcs upon which ''Dark Disciple'' is based and the ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'' arc, Quinlan Vos is shown in a lightsaber duel with Maul. While it might have cluttered the more focused storyline of the book's plot, adapting that concept art scenario into animation could have been a good opportunity to have a spinoff episode focused on Quinlan Vos being sent on a mission against Maul by Dooku during his time as his apprentice "Admiral Enigma" (likely after the first ''Dark Disciple'' arc with Ventress leaving him to his fate on Serenno as Dooku's new apprentice, but before the second ''Dark Disciple'' arc where he is rescued by Ventress and the Jedi, since they aired in separate seasons). However, there is no further evidence that any such plans for a Maul-Vos storyline crossover progressed beyond the initial concept art.

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** In a [[https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Season6WritersConferenceDaveNotes-75-e1394246617793-400x517.jpg piece of concept art]] depicting characters from both the two arcs upon which ''Dark Disciple'' is based and the ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'' arc, Quinlan Vos is shown wielding a crimson blade in a lightsaber duel with Maul. While it might have cluttered the more focused storyline of the book's plot, adapting that concept art scenario into animation could have been a good opportunity to have a spinoff episode focused on on, e.g., Quinlan Vos being sent on a mission against Maul by Dooku during his time as his apprentice "Admiral Enigma" (likely after the first ''Dark Disciple'' arc with Ventress leaving him to his fate on Serenno as Dooku's new apprentice, but before the second ''Dark Disciple'' arc where he is rescued by Ventress and the Jedi, since they aired in separate seasons). However, there is no further evidence that any such plans for a Maul-Vos storyline crossover progressed beyond the initial concept art.
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** Similarly, when the Council contemplates executing Vos without fair trial, they bring up Barriss Offee's treason as an example of them having grown too placate. The fact that during the same unfortunate affair, they readily sent Ahsoka without fair trial to the hands of the Republic Military Tribunal and very nearly to her death in an eerily similar manner to the one proposed, isn't brought up at all.

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** Similarly, when the Council contemplates executing Vos without fair trial, they bring up Barriss Offee's treason as an example of them having grown too placate. The fact that during the same unfortunate affair, they readily sent Ahsoka without fair trial to the hands of the Republic Military Tribunal and very nearly to her death in an eerily similar manner to the one proposed, isn't brought up at all.all.
** In a [[https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Season6WritersConferenceDaveNotes-75-e1394246617793-400x517.jpg piece of concept art]] depicting characters from both the two arcs upon which ''Dark Disciple'' is based and the ''ComicBook/DarthMaulSonOfDathomir'' arc, Quinlan Vos is shown in a lightsaber duel with Maul. While it might have cluttered the more focused storyline of the book's plot, adapting that concept art scenario into animation could have been a good opportunity to have a spinoff episode focused on Quinlan Vos being sent on a mission against Maul by Dooku during his time as his apprentice "Admiral Enigma" (likely after the first ''Dark Disciple'' arc with Ventress leaving him to his fate on Serenno as Dooku's new apprentice, but before the second ''Dark Disciple'' arc where he is rescued by Ventress and the Jedi, since they aired in separate seasons). However, there is no further evidence that any such plans for a Maul-Vos storyline crossover progressed beyond the initial concept art.
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* MagnificentBastard: The way Dooku reveals the truth about Tholme's death to Quinlan, is awesome in it's assholishness. First he just says it was Ventress, then shows him a holo-record of the event, then when Quinlan still refuses to believe him, he gives Quinlan Tholme's lightsaber to read with his Psychometry. Mind you, Dooku's not forcing Quinlan to touch it. He just leaves it in his cell, knowing full well, the doupt he planted, will eventually force Quinlan to give in. And let's not forget, it's a lightsaber. ''He gives a Jedi weapon, to a Jedi prisoner'', since if he's got to touch it if he wants to use it to escape, which would mean reading it.
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** The previous two points could be summed up in those who liked the storyline and those who would have preferred Ventress' and Quinlan' personal arcs to have followed the comics.

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* ContinuityLockOut: ''Dark Disciple'' relies on the events that occurred in ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'' in order for the readers to understand the general events of the novel.



** The story is kicked off by the Jedi Council deciding to assassinate Count Dooku. Creator/ChristopherLee, who played Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' passed away on Jun 7 2015- ''exactly a month prior'' to the release date of the novel.
** Before ''The Clone Wars'' pilot movie was released, Ventress was stated to have [[FakingTheDead fake her death]], having [[DiedInYourArmsTonight died in Obi-Wan's arms]], then doing a ScrewThisImOuttaHere from the Clone Wars entirely in the ''Obsession'' comic from ''Legends'', with an AllThereInTheManual later saying that while in exile on Tatooine, Obi-Wan planted desert flowers in memory of Ventress. [[spoiler:In the Canon, she is now KilledOffForReal and [[SchrodingersCanon there is nothing to say that Obi-Wan still did or didn't plant flowers in Ventress's memory.]]]]

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** The story is kicked off by novel begins with the Jedi Council deciding to assassinate Count Dooku. Creator/ChristopherLee, who played Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' passed away on Jun 7 2015- ''exactly a month prior'' to the release date of the novel.
** Before ''The ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars'' pilot movie Wars]]''' PilotMovie was released, Ventress was stated to have [[FakingTheDead fake her death]], having [[DiedInYourArmsTonight died in Obi-Wan's arms]], then doing a ScrewThisImOuttaHere from the Clone Wars entirely in the ''Obsession'' comic from ''Legends'', with an AllThereInTheManual later saying that while in exile on Tatooine, Obi-Wan planted desert flowers in memory of Ventress. [[spoiler:In the Canon, she is now KilledOffForReal and [[SchrodingersCanon there is nothing to say that Obi-Wan still did or didn't plant flowers in Ventress's memory.]]]]
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** Before ''The Clone Wars'' pilot movie was released, Ventress was stated to have [[FakingTheDead fake her death]], having [[DiedInYourArmsTonight died in Obi-Wan's arms]], then doing a ScrewThisImOuttaHere from the Clone Wars entirely in the ''Obsession'' comic from ''Legends'', with an AllThereInTheManual later saying that while in exile on Tatooine, Obi-Wan planted desert flowers in memory of Ventress. [[spoiler:In canon, she is now KilledOffForReal and [[SchrodingersCanon there is nothing to say that Obi-Wan still did or didn't plant flowers in Ventress's memory.]]]]

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** Before ''The Clone Wars'' pilot movie was released, Ventress was stated to have [[FakingTheDead fake her death]], having [[DiedInYourArmsTonight died in Obi-Wan's arms]], then doing a ScrewThisImOuttaHere from the Clone Wars entirely in the ''Obsession'' comic from ''Legends'', with an AllThereInTheManual later saying that while in exile on Tatooine, Obi-Wan planted desert flowers in memory of Ventress. [[spoiler:In canon, the Canon, she is now KilledOffForReal and [[SchrodingersCanon there is nothing to say that Obi-Wan still did or didn't plant flowers in Ventress's memory.]]]]



* MoralEventHorizon: Dooku's committed plenty of atrocities throughout the Clone Wars, but the massacre of the Mahran race just for being Republic citizens may as well be one of the most abhorrent things he's explicitly done in the new canon. It's even considered as such in-universe, as this act is what prompts the Jedi Council [[GodzillaThreshold to finally consider assassinating him]] (something that [[MartialPacifist Jedi]] are traditionally against).

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* MoralEventHorizon: Dooku's committed plenty of atrocities throughout the Clone Wars, but the massacre of the Mahran race just for being Republic citizens may as well be one of the most abhorrent things he's explicitly done in the new canon.Canon. It's even considered as such in-universe, as this act is what prompts the Jedi Council [[GodzillaThreshold to finally consider assassinating him]] (something that [[MartialPacifist Jedi]] are traditionally against).



** Aayla Secura, who used to be Vos's Padawan, and even claimed that he had been like a father to her, is completely absent from the novel, and isn't even mentioned. This is probably in part the result of Golden's research extending only as far as watching ''The Clone Wars'', where Aayla doesn't give the name of the master she's talking about, and their relation was only confirmed in the episode guide for "Jedi Crash".

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** Aayla Secura, who used to be Vos's Quinlan Vos' Padawan, and even claimed that he had been like a father to her, is completely absent from the novel, and isn't even mentioned. This is probably in part the result of Golden's research extending only as far as watching ''The Clone Wars'', where Aayla doesn't give the name of the master she's talking about, and their relation was only confirmed in the episode guide for "Jedi Crash".
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** Before ''The Clone Wars'' movie was released, Ventress was stated to have [[FakingTheDead fake her death]], having [[DiedInYourArmsTonight died in Obi-Wan's arms]], then doing a ScrewThisImOuttaHere from the Clone Wars entirely in the ''Obsession'' comic from ''Legends'', with an AllThereInTheManual later saying that while in exile on Tatooine, Obi-Wan planted desert flowers in memory of Ventress. [[spoiler:In canon, she is now KilledOffForReal and [[SchrodingersCanon there is nothing to say that Obi-Wan still did or didn't plant flowers in Ventress's memory.]]]]

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** Before ''The Clone Wars'' pilot movie was released, Ventress was stated to have [[FakingTheDead fake her death]], having [[DiedInYourArmsTonight died in Obi-Wan's arms]], then doing a ScrewThisImOuttaHere from the Clone Wars entirely in the ''Obsession'' comic from ''Legends'', with an AllThereInTheManual later saying that while in exile on Tatooine, Obi-Wan planted desert flowers in memory of Ventress. [[spoiler:In canon, she is now KilledOffForReal and [[SchrodingersCanon there is nothing to say that Obi-Wan still did or didn't plant flowers in Ventress's memory.]]]]
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** Desh. With the exception of his [[spoiler: Mutual Suicide attempt on Vos]] towards the end, he does nothing that couldn't have been done by Aayla Secura, Vos' former Padawan. The fact that Aayla isn't even mentioned has also gained the ire of some fans.
** The killing off of [[spoiler: Tholme]], a fan-favorite character from the ''Legends'' EU and having the death be little more than a motivation for Vos, one that doesn't last at that.



** Some fans of Vos's Legends appearances were not happy that Jon Ostrander and Jan Duursema, Vos's co-creators, weren't mentioned or thanked in the novel's acknowledgments section.

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