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* CantUnhearIt: When fans read the Black Canary comic book, the voices that come to mind are either Creator/GreyDeLisle, Creator/JenniferHale, Creator/KariWahlgren, or Creator/VanessaMarshall.

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* CantUnhearIt: *CantUnhearIt: When fans read the Black Canary comic book, the voices that come to mind when reading her lines are either Creator/GreyDeLisle, Creator/JenniferHale, Creator/KariWahlgren, or Creator/VanessaMarshall.
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* BrokenBase: Her relationship with Green Arrow, as seen by the vast majority of entries on this page being about how much some fans really hate it, despite its popularity. This is a case with DC's writers themselves, as DependingOnTheWriter it's either depicted as a mutually supportive, fun, engaging couple who compliment one-another and have great chemistry, or its a mutually abusive trainwreck that derails Dinah's character terribly and makes them both look horrible.

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* BrokenBase: Her relationship with Green Arrow, as seen by the vast majority of entries on this page being about how much some fans really hate it, despite its popularity. This is a case with DC's writers themselves, as DependingOnTheWriter it's either depicted as a mutually supportive, fun, engaging couple who compliment one-another and have great chemistry, or its a mutually abusive trainwreck train wreck that derails Dinah's character terribly and makes them both look horrible.horrible.
*CantUnhearIt: When fans read the Black Canary comic book, the voices that come to mind are either Creator/GreyDeLisle, Creator/JenniferHale, Creator/KariWahlgren, or Creator/VanessaMarshall.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The New 52's version of her wasn't particularly popular during the ''Team 7'' and ''Birds of Prey'' phase, but after she got an ongoing putting Dinah in the role of a Punk Rock singer, brought back the fishnets (as well as actually ''justifying'' the design), as well as having a likeable supporting cast, greatly improved her character. It also re-established that this ''wasn't'' a de-aged Dinah Drake, but still her daughter, Dinah Laurel Lance, just with a different origin for her last name[[note]]rather than taking the Lance name from her father, it comes from her first husband, who's been renamed Kurt Lance, and she kept it to honour him after his death[[/note]]; Dinah Drake is established to have been a legandary crimefighter who worked with a group of martial artists (inferred to be the JSA) who had disappeared when Dinah Jr. was young, and the final issue even leads into the then-upcoming ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' and the establishment that reality had been altered.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The New 52's version of her wasn't particularly popular during the ''Team 7'' and ''Birds of Prey'' phase, but after she got an ongoing putting Dinah in the role of a Punk Rock singer, brought back the fishnets (as well as actually ''justifying'' the design), as well as having a likeable supporting cast, greatly improved her character. It also re-established that this ''wasn't'' a de-aged Dinah Drake, but still her daughter, Dinah Laurel Lance, just with a different origin for her last name[[note]]rather than taking the Lance name from her father, it comes from her first husband, who's been renamed Kurt Lance, and she kept it to honour him after his death[[/note]]; Dinah Drake is established to have been a legandary crimefighter who worked with a group of martial artists (inferred to be the JSA) who had disappeared when Dinah jr was young, and the final issue even leads into the then-upcoming ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' and the establishment that reality had been altered.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The New 52's version of her wasn't particularly popular during the ''Team 7'' and ''Birds of Prey'' phase, but after she got an ongoing putting Dinah in the role of a Punk Rock singer, brought back the fishnets (as well as actually ''justifying'' the design), as well as having a likeable supporting cast, greatly improved her character. It also re-established that this ''wasn't'' a de-aged Dinah Drake, but still her daughter, Dinah Laurel Lance, just with a different origin for her last name[[note]]rather than taking the Lance name from her father, it comes from her first husband, who's been renamed Kurt Lance, and she kept it to honour him after his death[[/note]]; Dinah Drake is established to have been a legandary crimefighter who worked with a group of martial artists (inferred to be the JSA) who had disappeared when Dinah jr Jr. was young, and the final issue even leads into the then-upcoming ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' and the establishment that reality had been altered.
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* BrokenBase: Her relationship with Green Arrow, as seen by the vast majority of entries on this page being about how much some fans really hate it, despite its popularity. This is a case with DC's writers themselves, as DependingOnTheWriter it's either depicted as a mutually supportive, fun, engaging couple who compliment one-another and have great chemistry, or its a mutually abusive trainwreck that derails Dinah's character terribly and makes them both look horrible.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Her relationship with Oliver and her motivation for continuing to go back to him after their many break-ups. Either they're a genuinely loving couple who have both made mistakes and gone through a rough patch, or they're an incredibly destructive mess with both having massive issues that they've constantly failed to work on. In-canon, this has been shown with her having a stable relationship with Mid-Nite, only to abandon it to get back together with Oliver despite the fight they were having all the while.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Her relationship with Oliver and her motivation for continuing to go back to him after their many break-ups. Either they're a genuinely loving couple who have both made mistakes and gone through a rough patch, or they're an incredibly destructive mess with both having massive issues that they've constantly failed to work on. In-canon, this has been shown with her having a stable relationship with Mid-Nite, only to abandon it to get back together with Oliver despite the fight they were having all the while.
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* SuperCouple: Black Canary and Green Arrow have been an on-and-off couple since the 1960s and is one of DC's main {{Official Couple}}s. Green Arrow has dated both the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis Black Canary's. The couple has appeared in various adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''Franchise/{{Injustice}}''.

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* SuperCouple: Black Canary and Green Arrow have been an on-and-off couple since the 1960s and is one of DC's main {{Official Couple}}s. Green Arrow has dated both the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis Black Canary's. The couple has appeared in various adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'', and ''Franchise/{{Injustice}}''.
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* FandomRivalry: Strangely given in-canon the two characters are long-time lovers (and naturally, this means there's a sizeable FriendlyFandoms segment for those who ship them), but Green Arrow fans and Black Canary fans often butt heads due to the fact that Canary is in-canon a ''much'' better fighter than Green Arrow but often falls victim to BadassDecay to make Green Arrow look better, and the two have had a fairly destructive romance. Canary fans resent the BadassDecay and take Dinah's side in their romantic troubles, while Arrow fans declare her a FauxActionGirl and take Ollie's side. Given both characters have had bad writing and suffered a DorkAge in their history, if one took everything a face value, they're both incredibly abusive and destructive towards each other, so there's some reasoning, but only if one ignores that most of the time, this behaviour is OutOfCharacter for both of them.

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* FandomRivalry: Strangely given in-canon the two characters are long-time lovers (and naturally, this means there's a sizeable FriendlyFandoms segment for those who ship them), but Green Arrow fans and Black Canary fans often butt heads due to the fact that Canary is in-canon a ''much'' better fighter than Green Arrow but often falls victim to BadassDecay to make Green Arrow look better, and the two have had a fairly destructive romance. Canary fans resent the BadassDecay and take Dinah's side in their romantic troubles, while Arrow fans declare her a FauxActionGirl and take Ollie's side. Given both characters have had bad writing and suffered a DorkAge in their history, if one took everything a face value, they're both incredibly abusive and destructive towards each other, so there's some reasoning, but only if one ignores that most of the time, this behaviour is OutOfCharacter for both of them.
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** She also has a significant amount (bordering on FoeYay) with Lady Shiva.

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** She also has a significant amount (bordering on FoeYay) with Lady Shiva.
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** Another, lesser point of resentment between the two camps is also DC's tendency to favour Green Arrow, despite the two being pretty much equal in popularity. Whenever they've headlined separate books, the sales tend to be about the same give or take a few hundred units (and even there, which one is 'winning' tends to swap between the two), yet Black Canary is more likely to have her book canned in favour of dropping her into Green Arrow's, while her RoguesGallery have [[RoguesGalleryTransplant have been taken by Oliver]], and she's been overlooked for promotion outside of the comics. This tends to fan the flames quite a bit as it more-or-less encourages Green Arrow's fanbase to view her as less important while also pushing her fanbase to resent his.


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** Adaptations of her character have a tendency to be met with this reaction, though in fairness, she's yet to be adapted even close to how she is in the comics (outside of animation, which tends to be better received due to being TruerToTheText). This has been commented on by her fanbase, who note that bizarrely, ''every'' LiveActionAdaptation has felt the need to change her backstory, give her AdaptationalVillainy (going from TheCape to, at best, a gritty anti-hero), and downgrade her skillset so she doesn't overshadow someone else. Part of this is her never being given a lead role in any adaptation, but it's notable that there's been ''seven'' live-action Black Canaries in-between 2002 and 2021, yet the closest to Dinah Laurel Lance was [[AdaptationNameChange called Sara]] [[Series/{{Arrow}} and was a League of Assassins member prone to murder]] [[Series/LegendsOfTomorrow without her signature Canary Cry]].
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** One frustrating problem with the relationship is it is often only to Oliver's benefit, not Dinah's. Oliver's book by-and-large does better when Dinah is around; stories and runs set when they're broken up have rarely faired as well, and the most iconic and successful Green Arrow stories have generally been when he's paired up with her (with the exception of ''Year One'' and Lemire's run). Dinah though, thanks to the Birds of Prey (which started life as more-or-less a Black Canary book with Oracle as a supporting character) has demonstrated she can have an lengthy run without Oliver at all, and tends to go through much more character development when he's not around. For some, it can look like her relationship with Oliver holds her back.


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** And ''then'' there's her actions in ''Rise of Arsenal'', which some of Roy's fandom present as if Dinah wrote Roy off as a lost cause. In the comic itself, Dinah leaves Roy in a rehab facility for his own good, and she ''hates'' herself for it, but it's the only workable solution as Roy is refusing anything less and Dinah ''planned'' to be there for him, but he broke out. It also ignores that Roy spent the previous three issues repeatedly ''assaulting'' and attacking Dinah, even using the fact [[KickTheDog she's infertile to attack her]], while dismissing how she could never understand his grief...despite her having experienced it herself only a few years prior with Sin when Oliver faked the kid's death without telling her. As bad as the comic is in general, Dinah is doing ''everything'' she can to be there for a man who spends the entire time spitting in her face, and ''somehow'' she's seen as the badguy by hardcore Roy Harper fans.
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** Though it's probably more a case of misremembering, a point has often been touted that Dinah blamed Oliver for his rape. She didn't, she was upset at this conceiving a child (at-the-time, Dinah wanted kids with Oliver but had been told she was infertile), but it wasn't until he kissed Marianne that she considered him a cheat. Years later this incident was brought up, and similarly it's been described as Dinah dismissing the rape as an affair, but the opposite is true, she angrily ''defends'' the fact Oliver is a rape victim and puts full blame on Shado.
** Likewise, there's been a tendency from some to present Dinah as being abusive towards Oliver, citing a few moments where she's hit him. However, while it's true that she has hit him, he's also hit her, and has gaslighted and manipulated her, as well as (consensually) cheated on her at least twice. It's less she's abusive and more that some writers write the two as ''incredibly'' toxic on both sides. This is a ''major'' reason their relationship is such a controversial one among both characters' fandom.
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I mean, read the room. Half the tropes listed here are about how problematic their romance can be in some fans' eyes.


* SuperCouple: Black Canary and Green Arrow have been an on-and-off couple since the 1960s and is one of DC's main {{Official Couple}}s. Green Arrow has dated both the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis Black Canary's. The couple has appeared in various adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''Franchise/{{Injustice}}''. It's rare to be a fan of either character but not ship them together.

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* SuperCouple: Black Canary and Green Arrow have been an on-and-off couple since the 1960s and is one of DC's main {{Official Couple}}s. Green Arrow has dated both the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis Black Canary's. The couple has appeared in various adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''Franchise/{{Injustice}}''. It's rare to be a fan of either character but not ship them together.
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* Black Canary and Oracle have a hands-on friendship with a lot of touching. The most blatant example is when they meet for the first time, in person, and go on a FirstNameBasis. Their relaxed hug seems like romantic cuddling.

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* ** Black Canary and Oracle have a hands-on friendship with a lot of touching. The most blatant example is when they meet for the first time, in person, and go on a FirstNameBasis. Their relaxed hug seems like romantic cuddling.

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* Black Canary and Oracle have a hands-on friendship with a lot of touching. The most blatant example is when they meet for the first time, in person, and go on a FirstNameBasis. Their relaxed hug seems like romantic cuddling.
** One ''Birds of Prey'' page has Barbara saying she feels so close to Dinah that it's almost as if they're "more than just partners". The panels cut to several photographs of her and Dinah.



** Her affiliation with rock predates the New 52. A 2000s comic had a flashback that showed Black Canary was a grunge fan in the 1990s as a teenager, and though its more coincidental, her fondness for fishnets, leather jackets, and combat boots are staples of punk rock fashion. The CivvieSpandex shirt/short-shorts look also first appeared back in ''Birds of Prey #49'', as a result of Dinah only having part of her costume with her during an adventure.
*** Her association with singing is also something that was previously focused on in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'', with her character getting a number of songs in the musical episode and elsewhere.

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** Her affiliation with rock predates the New 52. A 2000s comic had a flashback that showed Black Canary was a grunge fan in the 1990s as a teenager, and though its more coincidental, her fondness for fishnets, leather jackets, and combat boots are staples of punk rock fashion. The CivvieSpandex shirt/short-shorts look also first appeared back in ''Birds of Prey #49'', as a result of Dinah only having part of her costume with her during an adventure.
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adventure. Her association with singing is also something that was previously focused on in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'', with her character getting a number of songs in the musical episode and elsewhere.
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* SuperCouple: Black Canary and Green Arrow have been an on-and-off couple since the 1960s and is one of DC's main {{Official Couple}}s. Green Arrow has dated both the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis Black Canary's. The couple has appeared in various adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongstUs''. It's rare to be a fan of either character but not ship them together.

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* SuperCouple: Black Canary and Green Arrow have been an on-and-off couple since the 1960s and is one of DC's main {{Official Couple}}s. Green Arrow has dated both the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis Black Canary's. The couple has appeared in various adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongstUs''.''Franchise/{{Injustice}}''. It's rare to be a fan of either character but not ship them together.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Surprisingly ''averted'' with her ''DC You''-onward rockstar touch. Her ''Rebirth'' redesign has been a hit with fans much like the similar ''Burnside'' Batgirl redesign was, while Dinah's status as a punk-rock singer has largely been welcomed due to making a lot of sense for her character and just being so unique within the medium.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: SuperCouple: Black Canary and Green Arrow have been an on-and-off couple since the 1960s and is one of DC's main {{Official Couple}}s. Green Arrow has dated both the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis Black Canary's. The couple has appeared in various adaptations such as ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongstUs''. It's rare to be a fan of either character but not ship them together.
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Surprisingly ''averted'' with her ''DC You''-onward rockstar touch. Her ''Rebirth'' redesign has been a hit with fans much like the similar ''Burnside'' Batgirl redesign was, while Dinah's status as a punk-rock singer has largely been welcomed due to making a lot of sense for her character and just being so unique within the medium.medium.
** Every time Black Canary's costume gets massively changed, fans complain and it inevitably changes back. Examples include her 1980s costume and her brief 1990s stint where she removed both her wig and fish-nets.
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* NewerThanTheyThink: Dinah playing second-fiddle to Oliver any time they're together isn't quite as intrusive as some fans seem to see it as. Before the Grell run, Oliver and Dinah often traded saving each others' lives, [[FairForItsDay and it was shown repeatedly that she was the better fighter of the two, despite some troubling dialogue choices and behaviours]], and during the Hard Travelling Heroes era, she even regularly showed up both Ollie and Hal. Even the Grell run, while infamous for Dinah being tortured, sexually assaulted, and left depowered, had Dinah recover from the ordeal and later save Oliver from the same scenario. Dinah getting the short-end of the stick with Oliver is more a case from after Oliver's resurrection; since she had TookALevelInBadass before that and was so far above his weight, some writers gave her TheWorfEffect so Ollie could look good.


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*** Her association with singing is also something that was previously focused on in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'', with her character getting a number of songs in the musical episode and elsewhere.

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* BrokenBase: In the case of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', there's a lot of disagreement as to which version of Canary is the closest to the original comic version and which actress does the best job of portraying her.



** Black Canary and Oracle get a LOT of this. And with Huntress, to only a marginally lesser extent.

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** Black Canary and Oracle get a LOT of this.this, as well as HomoeroticSubtext. And with Huntress, to only a marginally lesser extent.



* OlderThanTheyThink: Her affiliation with rock predates the New 52. A 2000s comic had a flashback that showed Black Canary was a grunge fan in the 1990s as a teenager, and though its more coincidental, her fondness for fishnets, leather jackets, and combat boots are staples of punk rock fashion. The CivvieSpandex shirt/short-shorts look also first appeared back in ''Birds of Prey #49'', as a result of Dinah only having part of her costume with her during an adventure.

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Her affiliation with rock predates the New 52. A 2000s comic had a flashback that showed Black Canary was a grunge fan in the 1990s as a teenager, and though its more coincidental, her fondness for fishnets, leather jackets, and combat boots are staples of punk rock fashion. The CivvieSpandex shirt/short-shorts look also first appeared back in ''Birds of Prey #49'', as a result of Dinah only having part of her costume with her during an adventure.adventure.
** Black Canary debuted in 1947 but didn't become mainstream amongst non-comic fans until the 2000s (thanks to adaptations like ''Justice League Unlimited'', ''Young Justice'', and ''Arrow'').
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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: Black Canary and Green Arrow developed this problem after the latter proposes marriage, where both of their flaws get Flanderised. Until they actually [[ShipSinking broke up for good]], their mutual treatment towards each other had became so toxic that it raised serious questions ''what'' was making them think that getting married would be a good idea, and after the wedding, things didn't get any better. It took Oliver becoming a killer for Dinah to give back her wedding ring, and even that she regretted.

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