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Spoiler tagged, as the identity of Lady Arkham is a plot twist which deviates heavily from Batman mythos.
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** Vicki Vale, of all people, crosses this by [[spoiler: forming the Children of Arkham, getting heaven knows how many people killed, and later drugs Bruce to get him out of the way]].
*** If she didn't cross it then, then she crossed it when she [[spoiler:beats an innocent old man half to death]] just to hurt [[spoiler: Bruce]].
*** If she didn't cross it then, then she crossed it when she [[spoiler:beats an innocent old man half to death]] just to hurt [[spoiler: Bruce]].
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** Vicki Vale, of all people, Lady Arkham crosses this by [[spoiler: forming the Children of Arkham, getting heaven knows how many people killed, and later drugs [[spoiler:drugging Bruce to get him out of the way]].
*** If she didn't cross it then, then she crossed it when she[[spoiler:beats [[spoiler:[[ElderAbuse beats an innocent old man half to death]] just to hurt [[spoiler: Bruce]].
*** If she didn't cross it then, then she crossed it when she
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** [[spoiler:During the footage of Thomas Wayne drugging Mrs. Cobblepot, everyone save for Thomas Wayne looks graphically like a background CGI character from an early original UsefulNotes/PlayStation game.]]
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** [[spoiler:During the footage of Thomas Wayne drugging Mrs. Cobblepot, everyone save for Thomas Wayne looks graphically like a background CGI character from an early original UsefulNotes/PlayStation Platform/PlayStation game.]]
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* AccidentalAesop: The relationship dynamic between Batman, Harley Quinn, and John Doe sets up the lesson that positive relationships can truly help those who have been abused and mistreated by another. However, the vigilante path in "Same Stitch" pretty much deconstructs ThePowerOfLove by pointing out that even though Joker is trying to do the right thing and bring people to justice, his mental health issues make him a danger to himself and to others as well. Making the lesson "Yes, love and respect do go a long way in helping people. But, there are times when professional help is genuinely needed from people who are actually trained and qualified to help them in meaningful ways". Even though Bruce Wayne is trained to help people and apply basic medical training, he needed to do more to encourage John to get psychological help, rather than just allow Joker to tag along as a fellow vigilante.
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:"Guardian of Gotham" & "City of Light": [[PosthumousCharacter The Vales]], John and Patricia, are a pair of [[AbusiveParents monstrous foster parents]] who are responsible for Lady Arkham's insanity. Under the guise of being loving parents, the Vales take in foster children, but truthfully only want the government stipends that the kids' presences bring. Showcasing their [[ChildHater heinous hatred for children]], the Vales would lock their kids inside an [[TortureCellar underground room]], shackling them and [[WouldHurtAChild beating them bloody]] with belts over the course of years, regarding the children as nothing but animals to abuse and profit from to their liking. They’re even worse than Thomas Wayne who, even though he drugged Esther Cobblepot into insanity, thus causing Oswald to become the Penguin, truly loved Bruce.]]
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:"Guardian [[spoiler: "Guardian of Gotham" & "City of Light": [[PosthumousCharacter The Vales]], John and Patricia, are a pair of [[AbusiveParents monstrous foster parents]] who are responsible for Lady Arkham's insanity. [[BitchInSheepsClothing Under the guise of being loving parents, parents]], the Vales take in foster children, [[OnlyInItForTheMoney but truthfully truthfully]] [[FosteringForProfit only want the government stipends that the kids' presences bring. bring]]. Showcasing their [[ChildHater heinous hatred for children]], the Vales would lock their kids inside an [[TortureCellar an underground room]], shackling them and [[WouldHurtAChild beating them bloody]] with belts over the course of many years, [[TheSociopath regarding the children as nothing but animals to abuse and profit from to their liking. liking]]. They’re even worse than Thomas Wayne who, even though he drugged Esther Cobblepot into insanity, thus causing Oswald to become the Penguin, [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes truly loved his son Bruce.]]]]]]
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* CryForTheDevil: Surprisingly, given [[DiscOneFinalBoss his]] [[{{Jerkass}} role]] in the story, Carmine Falcone may elicit this reaction during his scene with Bruce [[spoiler:in the infirmary]]. The scene is rather quiet and even a little melancholic, with all the revelations about Thomas and Martha (especially if the player decides to have Bruce "play nice" and not threaten him). Falcone acts nicer to Bruce than during their first meeting and seems to remember fondly of [[spoiler:Thomas and Martha Wayne]]. Even claiming that they were close friends, practically family and [[spoiler:that he has a closet full of birthday presents he was never able to give Bruce]]. If Bruce gives him morphine to ease his pain, [[spoiler:he says he reminds him of his mother's kindness. At first, you can have Bruce angrily rebuke him, giving the impression that [[ReallyGetsAround Falcone was going to imply something untoward about her.]] Falcone is sounds genuinely confused about the rebuke since he was being [[SincerityMode sincere.]]]] All in all, with him [[spoiler:lying down injured on the bed and his dialogues implying that he's a RecoveredAddict who managed to keep clean during 40 years and him referring to himself as an "old dog", Falcone gives the impression of being an old lion that has finally been brought down]]. Whether it qualifies as AlasPoorVillain or not is up to anyone's interpretation though. Regardless, this seems to be the intended audience reaction [[spoiler:so that his murder looks more heinous and to make him look much nicer than Thomas Wayne and Mayor Hill.]] Even Bruce can admit it wasn't justice that Falcone died the way he did..
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* CryForTheDevil: Surprisingly, given [[DiscOneFinalBoss his]] [[{{Jerkass}} role]] in the story, Carmine Falcone may elicit this reaction during his scene with Bruce [[spoiler:in the infirmary]]. The scene is rather quiet and even a little melancholic, with all the revelations about Thomas and Martha (especially if the player decides to have Bruce "play nice" and not threaten him). Falcone acts nicer to Bruce than during their first meeting and seems to remember fondly of [[spoiler:Thomas and Martha Wayne]]. Even claiming that they were close friends, practically family and [[spoiler:that he has a closet full of birthday presents he was never able to give Bruce]]. If Bruce gives him morphine to ease his pain, [[spoiler:he says he reminds him of his mother's kindness. At first, you can have Bruce angrily rebuke him, giving the impression that [[ReallyGetsAround Falcone was going to imply something untoward about her.]] Falcone is sounds genuinely confused about the rebuke since he was being [[SincerityMode sincere.]]]] All in all, with him [[spoiler:lying down injured on the bed and his dialogues implying that he's a RecoveredAddict who managed to keep clean during 40 years and him referring to himself as an "old dog", Falcone gives the impression of being an old lion that has finally been brought down]]. Whether it qualifies as AlasPoorVillain or not is up to anyone's interpretation though. Regardless, this seems to be the intended audience reaction [[spoiler:so that his murder looks more heinous and to make him look much nicer than Thomas Wayne and Mayor Hill.]] Even Bruce can admit it wasn't justice that Falcone died the way he did..did.
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:"Guardian of Gotham" & "City of Light": [[PosthumousCharacter The Vales]], John and Patricia, are a pair of [[AbusiveParents monstrous foster parents]] who are responsible for Lady Arkham's insanity. Under the guise of being loving parents, the Vales take in foster children, but truthfully only want the government stipends that the kids' presences bring. Showcasing their [[ChildHater heinous hatred for children]], the Vales would lock their kids inside an [[TortureCellar underground room]], shackling them and [[WouldHurtAChild beating them bloody]] with belts over the course of years, regarding the children as nothing but animals to abuse and profit from to their liking.]]
* CryForTheDevil: Surprisingly, given [[DiscOneFinalBoss his]] [[{{Jerkass}} role]] in the story, Carmine Falcone may elicit this reaction during his scene with Bruce [[spoiler:in the infirmary]]. The scene is rather quiet and even a little melancholic, with all the revelations about Thomas and Martha (especially if the player decides to have Bruce "play nice" and not threaten him). Falcone acts nicer to Bruce than during their first meeting and seems to remember fondly of [[spoiler:Thomas and Martha Wayne]]. Even claiming that they were close friends, practically family and [[spoiler:that he has a closet full of birthday presents he was never able to give Bruce]]. If Bruce gives him morphine to ease his pain, [[spoiler:he says he reminds him of his mother's kindness. At first, you can have Bruce angrily rebuke him, giving the impression that [[ReallyGetsAround Falcone was going to imply something untoward about her.]] Falcone is sounds genuinely confused about the rebuke since he was being [[SincerityMode sincere.]]]] All in all, with him [[spoiler:lying down injured on the bed and his dialogues implying that he's a RecoveredAddict who managed to keep clean during 40 years and him referring to himself as an "old dog", Falcone gives the impression of being an old lion that has finally been brought down]]. Whether it qualifies as AlasPoorVillain or not is up to anyone's interpretation though. Regardless, this seems to be the intended audience reaction [[spoiler:so that his murder looks more heinous and to make him look much nicer than Thomas Wayne and Mayor Hill.]] Even Bruce can admit it wasn't justice.
* CryForTheDevil: Surprisingly, given [[DiscOneFinalBoss his]] [[{{Jerkass}} role]] in the story, Carmine Falcone may elicit this reaction during his scene with Bruce [[spoiler:in the infirmary]]. The scene is rather quiet and even a little melancholic, with all the revelations about Thomas and Martha (especially if the player decides to have Bruce "play nice" and not threaten him). Falcone acts nicer to Bruce than during their first meeting and seems to remember fondly of [[spoiler:Thomas and Martha Wayne]]. Even claiming that they were close friends, practically family and [[spoiler:that he has a closet full of birthday presents he was never able to give Bruce]]. If Bruce gives him morphine to ease his pain, [[spoiler:he says he reminds him of his mother's kindness. At first, you can have Bruce angrily rebuke him, giving the impression that [[ReallyGetsAround Falcone was going to imply something untoward about her.]] Falcone is sounds genuinely confused about the rebuke since he was being [[SincerityMode sincere.]]]] All in all, with him [[spoiler:lying down injured on the bed and his dialogues implying that he's a RecoveredAddict who managed to keep clean during 40 years and him referring to himself as an "old dog", Falcone gives the impression of being an old lion that has finally been brought down]]. Whether it qualifies as AlasPoorVillain or not is up to anyone's interpretation though. Regardless, this seems to be the intended audience reaction [[spoiler:so that his murder looks more heinous and to make him look much nicer than Thomas Wayne and Mayor Hill.]] Even Bruce can admit it wasn't justice.
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:"Guardian of Gotham" & "City of Light": [[PosthumousCharacter The Vales]], John and Patricia, are a pair of [[AbusiveParents monstrous foster parents]] who are responsible for Lady Arkham's insanity. Under the guise of being loving parents, the Vales take in foster children, but truthfully only want the government stipends that the kids' presences bring. Showcasing their [[ChildHater heinous hatred for children]], the Vales would lock their kids inside an [[TortureCellar underground room]], shackling them and [[WouldHurtAChild beating them bloody]] with belts over the course of years, regarding the children as nothing but animals to abuse and profit from to their liking. They’re even worse than Thomas Wayne who, even though he drugged Esther Cobblepot into insanity, thus causing Oswald to become the Penguin, truly loved Bruce.]]
* CryForTheDevil: Surprisingly, given [[DiscOneFinalBoss his]] [[{{Jerkass}} role]] in the story, Carmine Falcone may elicit this reaction during his scene with Bruce [[spoiler:in the infirmary]]. The scene is rather quiet and even a little melancholic, with all the revelations about Thomas and Martha (especially if the player decides to have Bruce "play nice" and not threaten him). Falcone acts nicer to Bruce than during their first meeting and seems to remember fondly of [[spoiler:Thomas and Martha Wayne]]. Even claiming that they were close friends, practically family and [[spoiler:that he has a closet full of birthday presents he was never able to give Bruce]]. If Bruce gives him morphine to ease his pain, [[spoiler:he says he reminds him of his mother's kindness. At first, you can have Bruce angrily rebuke him, giving the impression that [[ReallyGetsAround Falcone was going to imply something untoward about her.]] Falcone is sounds genuinely confused about the rebuke since he was being [[SincerityMode sincere.]]]] All in all, with him [[spoiler:lying down injured on the bed and his dialogues implying that he's a RecoveredAddict who managed to keep clean during 40 years and him referring to himself as an "old dog", Falcone gives the impression of being an old lion that has finally been brought down]]. Whether it qualifies as AlasPoorVillain or not is up to anyone's interpretation though. Regardless, this seems to be the intended audience reaction [[spoiler:so that his murder looks more heinous and to make him look much nicer than Thomas Wayne and Mayor Hill.]] Even Bruce can admit it wasn'tjustice.justice that Falcone died the way he did..
* CryForTheDevil: Surprisingly, given [[DiscOneFinalBoss his]] [[{{Jerkass}} role]] in the story, Carmine Falcone may elicit this reaction during his scene with Bruce [[spoiler:in the infirmary]]. The scene is rather quiet and even a little melancholic, with all the revelations about Thomas and Martha (especially if the player decides to have Bruce "play nice" and not threaten him). Falcone acts nicer to Bruce than during their first meeting and seems to remember fondly of [[spoiler:Thomas and Martha Wayne]]. Even claiming that they were close friends, practically family and [[spoiler:that he has a closet full of birthday presents he was never able to give Bruce]]. If Bruce gives him morphine to ease his pain, [[spoiler:he says he reminds him of his mother's kindness. At first, you can have Bruce angrily rebuke him, giving the impression that [[ReallyGetsAround Falcone was going to imply something untoward about her.]] Falcone is sounds genuinely confused about the rebuke since he was being [[SincerityMode sincere.]]]] All in all, with him [[spoiler:lying down injured on the bed and his dialogues implying that he's a RecoveredAddict who managed to keep clean during 40 years and him referring to himself as an "old dog", Falcone gives the impression of being an old lion that has finally been brought down]]. Whether it qualifies as AlasPoorVillain or not is up to anyone's interpretation though. Regardless, this seems to be the intended audience reaction [[spoiler:so that his murder looks more heinous and to make him look much nicer than Thomas Wayne and Mayor Hill.]] Even Bruce can admit it wasn't
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* EvilIsSexy:
** Catwoman has her usual mysterious FemmeFatale appeal, though she drops the "evil" part quickly if you're nice to her.
** Penguin is more attractive in this continuity, too.
** Lady Arkham (a.k.a. [[spoiler: Vicki Vale]]), naturally.
** [[spoiler: Harley Quinn]] is as sexy as she is [[AxCrazy crazy]].
** Catwoman has her usual mysterious FemmeFatale appeal, though she drops the "evil" part quickly if you're nice to her.
** Penguin is more attractive in this continuity, too.
** Lady Arkham (a.k.a. [[spoiler: Vicki Vale]]), naturally.
** [[spoiler: Harley Quinn]] is as sexy as she is [[AxCrazy crazy]].
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** Replacing Lucius Fox with his daughter Tiffany, turning Vicky Vale and Thomas Wayne into villains, and potentially turning the Joker into a misguided hero can also be seen this way. In the eyes of some, it destroys a lot of characters purposes and motivations most egregiouslyit ruins Bruce's motivation for becoming Batman. Tearing down a lot of the men in the story and giving Harley control over the Joker can come off as extreme feminist takes.
