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** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'': [[AbusiveParents Quaestor Verus]], while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to become the Emperor by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi--whom he may have [[ChildByRape fathered through rape]]--in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath--no angel himself--to take Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech, just to smear the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as Baelheit is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, Quaestor Verus shows up, murders him, and starts [[EvilGloating gloating]] about all his deeds.

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** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'': [[AbusiveParents Quaestor Verus]], Verus]] himself, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to become the Emperor by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi--whom he may have [[ChildByRape fathered through rape]]--in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath--no angel himself--to take Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech, just to smear the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as Baelheit is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, Quaestor Verus shows up, murders him, and starts [[EvilGloating gloating]] about all his deeds.


** Wiseman from the second game is a raging psychopath, with a purely sadistic edge and a LackOfEmpathy for all living beings. Wiseman, a millennium before the series began, began to believe existence of the body was flawed. He fell to evil and began devouring the energy of his followers before embarking on a war of conquest that look the lives of men, women and children. To spite a group of heroes who stood against him, [[spoiler:Wiseman killed near everyone in their hometown, and left only two survivors. He attempted to convert the world to energy and absorb it within himself. Despite failing, Wiseman was not destroyed and [[GrandTheftMe possessed Verus]] and corrupted him. Wiseman manipulates all of Verus's atrocities, causing mass death and even torture of his former lover. When forced to reveal himself, Wiseman declares his intents to devour the heroes' hearts and rule over their world for eternity]].

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** Wiseman [[TheManBehindTheMan Wiseman]] from the second original game is a raging psychopath, with a purely sadistic edge and a LackOfEmpathy for all living beings. Wiseman, a millennium before the series began, began to believe existence of the body was flawed. He fell to evil and began devouring the energy of his followers before embarking on a war of conquest that look the lives of men, women and children. To spite a group of heroes who stood against him, [[spoiler:Wiseman Wiseman killed near everyone in their hometown, and left only two survivors. He attempted to convert the world to energy and absorb it within himself. Despite failing, Wiseman was not destroyed and [[GrandTheftMe possessed Verus]] and corrupted him. Wiseman manipulates the [[EvilAllAlong willing Verus]], influencing all of Verus's the latter's atrocities, causing mass death and even the torture of his former lover. When forced to reveal himself, Wiseman declares his intents to devour the heroes' hearts and rule over their world for eternity]].eternity.


** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become the Emperor]] by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (who is probably his illegitimate son) in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' {{Jerkass}} in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' about all his deeds.

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** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Origins'': [[AbusiveParents Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become become the Emperor]] Emperor by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (who is probably his illegitimate son) in Sagi--whom he may have [[ChildByRape fathered through rape]]--in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' {{Jerkass}} in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Shanath--no angel himself--to take Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...speech, just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] Baelheit is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] Quaestor Verus shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' [[EvilGloating gloating]] about all his deeds.


* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:'Tear this heathen woman's wings off!']]

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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:'Tear Shinath leaps over it when [[spoiler: he kidnaps main character Sagi's beloved mother and orders his men to "Tear this heathen woman's wings off!']]off!" And he does it right in front of Sagi, specifically to torment him.]]

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** Then there's this bizarre sound filter over the voice acting in the game that makes it sound distorted. While this is supposed to simulate being a Guardian Spirit, all it really accomplishes is just making the voice acting sound much worse than it actually would be without it.

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** The Goddess of Ice and the Wizard Shadow, both of which follow a completely different set of rules from the rest of the game's fights and are [[LuckBasedMission completely luck-based]].


** Requires a minimum of two playthroughs to do. Also, have fun spotting every single potential LostForever quest magnus, cause you need to feed Pac-Man 147 to finish the sidequest.

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** Requires a minimum of two playthroughs to do. Also, have fun spotting every single potential LostForever {{Permanently Missable|Content}} quest magnus, cause you need to feed Pac-Man 147 to finish the sidequest.


** There are many people who outright ''hate'' Xelha for [[SpotlightStealingSquad stealing the spotlight]] for a sizeable chunk of the game, being a borderline MarySue, having one of the game's most grating voices (and more lines than ''anyone'' else), geting hit with a DistressBall, and wearing an eye-searing pink outfit. Oh, and also [[spoiler:her half-assed DisneyDeath scene]].

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** There are many people who outright ''hate'' Xelha for [[SpotlightStealingSquad stealing the spotlight]] for a sizeable chunk of the game, being a borderline MarySue, having one of the game's most grating voices (and more lines than ''anyone'' else), geting hit with a DistressBall, and wearing an eye-searing pink outfit. Oh, and also [[spoiler:her half-assed DisneyDeath scene]].


* MostWonderfulSound: Any late-game finishers qualify as this.

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* MostWonderfulSound: SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound: Any late-game finishers qualify as this.


* EnsembleDarkHorse: Palolo II.

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: EnsembleDarkhorse: Palolo II.


* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/BatenKaitos Lots]]. Considered Creator/MotoiSakuraba's best works, and for good reason. Even people who hate the games admit the soundtracks are fantastic.



** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become the Emperor]] by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (who is probably his illegitimate son) in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' JerkAss in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' about all his deeds.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/BatenKaitos Lots]]. Considered Creator/MotoiSakuraba's best works, and for good reason. Even people who hate the games admit the soundtracks are fantastic.
* CultClassic: This game is the very definition of one. Not many people know about it, but go to any Website/YouTube vid about one of the many [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome Crowning Songs Of Awesome]] or ask [[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387226 a fan]], and you'll see a very enthusiastic response.

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** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become the Emperor]] by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (who is probably his illegitimate son) in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' JerkAss {{Jerkass}} in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' about all his deeds.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/BatenKaitos Lots]]. Considered Creator/MotoiSakuraba's best works, and for good reason. Even people who hate the games admit the soundtracks are fantastic.
* CultClassic: This game is the very definition of one. Not many people know about it, but go to any Website/YouTube vid about one of the many [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Crowning Songs Of Awesome]] or ask [[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387226 a fan]], and you'll see a very enthusiastic response.


* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/BatenKaitos Lots]]. Considered MotoiSakuraba's best works, and for good reason. Even people who hate the games admit the soundtracks are fantastic.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/BatenKaitos Lots]]. Considered MotoiSakuraba's Creator/MotoiSakuraba's best works, and for good reason. Even people who hate the games admit the soundtracks are fantastic.

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** [[spoiler: Geldoblame's final form]] at the end of the first game. Utterly harmless as a boss, but the dissonant final music, the creepy atmosphere with the technicolor sky and weird reflections of his face just flying around for no good reason, [[spoiler: Xelha's advisors being swallowed by the ground]], and finally, the fact that he's [[spoiler: just a face coming out of the ground that exhales some weird green fog, spits fire and even ''shoots laster beams out of its eyes'']] make the fight with him very unsettling. The weird jerky animations and low-quality texture don't help. Borderline {{Squick}}.


** The Angel of Darkness, who combines a paralysis attack with one that steals HP.

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** The Angel of Darkness, who combines a paralysis attack with one that steals HP. The reason this boss is so hard is because he can stun you, which prevents you from being able to use defense magnus, thus he gets a full combo off, which allows him to steal for as much as possible. He can deal over 1100 damage to one party member (party members have around 1600-2100 at this point in the game), steal 550 (a decent combo at this point of the game will deal 400-600 damage most of the time), and it leaves a character stunned to boot.


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**2 weeks of leaving the game on for the Shampoo to change? Way to screw with completionists, Monolith!


** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become the Emperor]] by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (whom he may have fathered through rape) in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' JerkAss in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' about all his deeds.

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** ''Baten Kaitos Origins'' has [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]], who, while acting under the guise of a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, coldly masterminds the plot to [[spoiler:become the Emperor]] by taking advantage of everyone else. Before the game's events, he [[spoiler:uses a just born baby Sagi (whom he may have fathered through rape) (who is probably his illegitimate son) in a lethal experiment that fuses pieces of dead evil gods with living beings]]. During the game, he orders Shanath (a ''massive'' JerkAss in his own right) to cross the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:taking Sagi's mother Gena's wings off in the public election speech]]...just to smear on the reputation of someone getting in his way. Later on, just as [[spoiler:Baelheit]] is about to consider a HeelFaceTurn, [[spoiler:Quaestor Verus]] shows up, murders him, and starts '''gloating''' about all his deeds.

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