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* WinBackTheCrowd: "My Own Grave" was more or less an apology, with the lyrics written from the perspective of Tim being TheAtoner.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: "My Own Grave" (and really the entirety of the ''Shaped By Fire'' album) was more or less an apology, with the lyrics written from the perspective of Tim being TheAtoner.
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** For what it's worth, Nick and Josh have since managed to shed the controversy they had been lumped in since they both departed the band. Both of them have since got involved in new projects (Nick in Mire and Josh in Spiritbox), and Josh has been steadily gaining a good reputation as a producer and songwriter in the music industry.
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** For what it's worth, Nick and Josh have since managed to shed the controversy they had been lumped in with since they both departed the band. Both of them have since got involved in new projects (Nick in Mire and Josh in Spiritbox), and Josh has been steadily gaining a good reputation as a producer and songwriter in the music industry.
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** For what it's worth, Nick and Josh have since managed to shed the controversy they had been lumped in since they both departed the band. Both of them have since got involved in new projects (Nick in Mire and Josh in Spiritbox), and Josh has been steadily gaining a good reputation as a producer and songwriter in the music industry.
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* BrokenBase: Continuing the band with Tim has been divisive. Supporters believe in giving people a second chance, that people can truly change for the better, while detractors believe in the "once a scumbag, always a scumbag" principle. [[LampshadeHanging Tim himself even noted this]], as he acknowledges that some aren't ready to forgive him anytime soon.
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** Continuing the band with Tim has been divisive. Supporters believe in giving people a second chance, that people can truly change for the better, while detractors believe in the "once a scumbag, always a scumbag" principle. [[LampshadeHanging Tim himself even noted this]], as he acknowledges that some aren't ready to forgive him anytimesoon.soon.
** Josh Gilbert's departure was also incredibly divisive, as many fans felt that his clean vocals and songwriting and production contributions were very important to the band's sound.
* FandomRivalry: With {{Music/Spiritbox}}, due to Josh joining them pretty much immediately after quitting As I Lay Dying. A lot of As I Lay Dying's fans were very upset with him over it. This is a fairly one-sided rivalry, as the majority of Spiritbox's fans don't seem to care about Josh's past.
** Continuing the band with Tim has been divisive. Supporters believe in giving people a second chance, that people can truly change for the better, while detractors believe in the "once a scumbag, always a scumbag" principle. [[LampshadeHanging Tim himself even noted this]], as he acknowledges that some aren't ready to forgive him anytime
** Josh Gilbert's departure was also incredibly divisive, as many fans felt that his clean vocals and songwriting and production contributions were very important to the band's sound.
* FandomRivalry: With {{Music/Spiritbox}}, due to Josh joining them pretty much immediately after quitting As I Lay Dying. A lot of As I Lay Dying's fans were very upset with him over it. This is a fairly one-sided rivalry, as the majority of Spiritbox's fans don't seem to care about Josh's past.
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** Is Dewey Dell actually pregnant? As Dewey Dell is immature and ignored by most around her, she has a certain lack of common sense. Even at the time of the novel, it would be common for a girl to miss her period and mistake it for pregnancy, due to poor nutritional standards. Dewey Dell has also grown up poor on a farm. Indeed, Dewey Dell has shown no symptoms of pregnancy in the text, such as morning sickness or her stomach growing.
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** Is Dewey Dell actually pregnant? As Dewey Dell is immature and ignored by most around her, she has a certain lack of common sense. Even at the time of the novel, it would be common for a girl to miss her period and mistake it for pregnancy, due to poor nutritional standards. Dewey Dell has also grown up poor on a farm. Indeed, Dewey Dell has shown no symptoms of pregnancy in the text, such as morning sickness or her stomach growing. [[note]] Admittedly, she'd probably not have known that those would be pregnancy symptoms or what pregnancy symptoms are.[[/note]]
