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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Sansa's betrothal to Joffrey is a major plot point, but it seems like it's the first time such a topic has been discussed about ''any'' of their children. Later books show that there's a lot of discussion about political alliances being created with betrothals and weddings between houses, and the discussions can start early. Alys Karstark later tells Jon Snow that she was brought to Winterfell by her father years before in hopes of arranging a match between her and Robb, but somehow the topic never seems to have come up for Robb (who's about 16) until he needs an alliance with the Freys.


* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but given a less unpleasant portrayal in the book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting started. This fan reaction ignores that this is still rape because Dany was married off against her will to a powerful man she can't safely refuse, [[ValuesDissonance which is perhaps a modern take on the event]], but even in the book, every night ''after'' their marriage ''is'' given a brutal portrayal matching the show. Drogo roughly uses Dany every night, often leaving her too bruised to fall asleep afterward; before long she is having suicidal thoughts. This persists until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.

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* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but given a less unpleasant portrayal in the book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting started. This fan reaction ignores that [[QuestionableConsent this is still rape because Dany was married off against her will to a powerful man she can't safely refuse, refuse]], [[ValuesDissonance which is perhaps a modern take on the event]], but even in the book, every night ''after'' their marriage ''is'' given a brutal portrayal matching the show. Drogo roughly uses Dany every night, often leaving her too bruised to fall asleep afterward; before long she is having suicidal thoughts. This persists until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.


* FirstInstallmentWins: Well, less the installment and more its ''title''. Once the HBO adaptation took it, the actual book series title of "A Song of Ice and Fire" faded into obscurity.

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* FirstInstallmentWins: Well, less the installment and more its ''title''. Once the HBO adaptation took it, the actual book series title of "A Song of Ice and Fire" faded into obscurity.became less popular.


* HesJustHiding: [[spoiler:Benjen Stark and Syrio Forel.]]

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* HesJustHiding: [[spoiler:Benjen Stark and Syrio Forel.]]Forel]] are never actually shown dying and are popular targets of speculation as a result. [[spoiler:The series ended up using a common fan theory that Coldhands is Benjen as a wight]].


* TheScrappy: Sansa didn't endear a lot of readers with her [[TastesLikeDiabetes annoying dreaminess]] and [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter admiration of Cersei and Joffrey]]. [[spoiler: Not siding with her sister during the Trident incident and telling Cersei of her father's plans to leave]] also turned many people off from her. Certainly not helping is the contrast between her and her sister, a rebellious, tomboyish underdog. Even many of her fans will admit to disliking her at first.

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* TheScrappy: Sansa didn't endear a lot of readers with her [[TastesLikeDiabetes annoying dreaminess]] and [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter admiration of Cersei and Joffrey]]. [[spoiler: Not siding with her sister during the Trident incident and telling Cersei of her father's plans to leave]] also turned many people off from her. Certainly not helping is the contrast between her and her sister, a rebellious, tomboyish underdog. Even many of her fans will admit to disliking her at first.first because of this book, even if it was intentional on the writers part.


* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but given a less unpleasant portrayal in the book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting started. This fan reaction ignores this is still rape because Dany was married off against her will to a powerful man she can't safely refuse. Even in the book, every night ''after'' their marriage ''is'' given a brutal portrayal matching the show, with Drogo roughly using Dany and often leaving her too bruised to fall asleep afterward; before long she is having suicidal thoughts. This persists until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.

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* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but given a less unpleasant portrayal in the book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting started. This fan reaction ignores that this is still rape because Dany was married off against her will to a powerful man she can't safely refuse. Even refuse, [[ValuesDissonance which is perhaps a modern take on the event]], but even in the book, every night ''after'' their marriage ''is'' given a brutal portrayal matching the show, with show. Drogo roughly using uses Dany and every night, often leaving her too bruised to fall asleep afterward; before long she is having suicidal thoughts. This persists until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.


* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but given a more pleasant portrayal in the book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting started. This fan reaction ignores this is still rape because Dany was married off against her will to a powerful man she can't safely refuse. Even in the book, every night ''after'' their marriage ''is'' given a brutal portrayal matching the show, with Drogo roughly using Dany and often leaving her too bruised to fall asleep afterward; before long she is having suicidal thoughts. This persists until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.

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* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but given a more pleasant less unpleasant portrayal in the book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting started. This fan reaction ignores this is still rape because Dany was married off against her will to a powerful man she can't safely refuse. Even in the book, every night ''after'' their marriage ''is'' given a brutal portrayal matching the show, with Drogo roughly using Dany and often leaving her too bruised to fall asleep afterward; before long she is having suicidal thoughts. This persists until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.


* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but a bit greyer in the book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting into it. This reaction ignores the fact that it's basically rape no matter what since Dany didn't agree to the marriage, and even in the book, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like portrayal (Dany explicitly weeps from the pain on some occasions) until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.

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* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but given a bit greyer more pleasant portrayal in the book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting into it. started. This fan reaction ignores the fact that it's basically this is still rape no matter what since because Dany didn't agree was married off against her will to the marriage, and even a powerful man she can't safely refuse. Even in the book, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''after'' their marriage ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like brutal portrayal (Dany explicitly weeps from matching the pain on some occasions) show, with Drogo roughly using Dany and often leaving her too bruised to fall asleep afterward; before long she is having suicidal thoughts. This persists until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.


** When things go sour and the Starks and Baratheons all declare war to the Lannisters Tyrion's sarcastic remark to Tywin ''“Take heart, Father. At least Rhaegar Targaryen is still dead.”'' is all too ironic since at the end of ''LiteratureADanceWithDragons'' [[spoiler: without counting Daenerys' threat (and any secret child of Rhaegar and Lyanna) at least one son of Rhaegar Targaryen is alive and kicking and coming for revenge.]]

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** When things go sour and the Starks and Baratheons all declare war to the Lannisters Tyrion's sarcastic remark to Tywin ''“Take heart, Father. At least Rhaegar Targaryen is still dead.”'' is all too ironic since at the end of ''LiteratureADanceWithDragons'' ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons'' [[spoiler: without counting Daenerys' threat (and any secret child of Rhaegar and Lyanna) at least one son of Rhaegar Targaryen is alive and kicking and coming for revenge.]]


** Having the insane, bitchy, unstable partner of a man named a variation of John being called Lysa (with a close friend named Petyr) may remind some of ''Film/TheRoom'', especially since the third book reveals that [[spoiler: Lysa had most likely been having an affair with Jon's trusted friend.]]

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** When things go sour and the Starks and Baratheons all declare war to the Lannisters Tyrion's sarcastic remark to Tywin ''“Take heart, Father. At least Rhaegar Targaryen is still dead.”'' is all too ironic since at the end of ''LiteratureADanceWithDragons'' [[spoiler: without counting Daenerys' threat (and any secret child of Rhaegar and Lyanna) at least one son of Rhaegar Targaryen is alive and kicking and coming for revenge.]]
** Having the insane, bitchy, unstable partner of a man named a variation of John Jon being called Lysa (with a close friend named Petyr) may remind some of ''Film/TheRoom'', especially since the third book reveals that [[spoiler: Lysa had most likely been having an affair with Jon's trusted friend.]]


* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but a bit greyer in the books, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting into it. This reaction ignores the fact that it's basically rape no matter what since Dany didn't agree to the marriage, and even in the books, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like portrayal (Dany explicitly weeps from the pain on some occasions) until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.

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* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but a bit greyer in the books, book, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting into it. This reaction ignores the fact that it's basically rape no matter what since Dany didn't agree to the marriage, and even in the books, book, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like portrayal (Dany explicitly weeps from the pain on some occasions) until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.


* FirstInstallmentWins: Well, less the installment and more its ''title''. Once the HBO adaptation took it, the actual book series title of "A Song of Ice and Fire" faded into obscurity.



* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but a bit greyer in the books, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting into it. This reaction ignores the fact that it's basically rape no matter what since Dany didn't agree to the marriage, and even in the books, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like portrayal (Dany explicitly weeps from the pain on some occasions) until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom.

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* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but a bit greyer in the books, where the pair share some tender interactions before getting into it. This reaction ignores the fact that it's basically rape no matter what since Dany didn't agree to the marriage, and even in the books, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like portrayal (Dany explicitly weeps from the pain on some occasions) until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom. The only real alteration that happens because of the change is that Drogo looks worse than he was in the book, where he is at least making an effort to gain Dany's consent.


* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but a bit greyer in the books, where Dany takes some ownership of the situation. This ignores the fact that it's basically rape no matter what, since Dany didn't agree to the marriage, and even in the books, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like portrayal until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom.

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* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but a bit greyer in the books, where Dany takes the pair share some ownership of the situation. tender interactions before getting into it. This reaction ignores the fact that it's basically rape no matter what, what since Dany didn't agree to the marriage, and even in the books, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like portrayal (Dany explicitly weeps from the pain on some occasions) until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom.

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* MisaimedFandom: There are many fans who cry foul at the [[Series/GameOfThrones HBO series']] portrayal of Dany and Drogo's marriage night, which is unquestionably rape in the show but a bit greyer in the books, where Dany takes some ownership of the situation. This ignores the fact that it's basically rape no matter what, since Dany didn't agree to the marriage, and even in the books, every ''other'' night of intercourse they have ''is'' given a more stereotypically rape-like portrayal until Dany has her handmaidens teach her some techniques so she can gain some power in the bedroom.


* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
** Sansa's betrothal to Joffrey is a major plot point, but it seems like it's the first time such a topic has been discussed about ''any'' of their children. Later books show that there's a lot of discussion about political alliances being created with betrothals and weddings between houses, and the discussions can start early. Alys Karstark later tells Jon Snow that she was brought to Winterfell by her father years before in hopes of arranging a match between her and Robb, but somehow the topic never seems to have come up for Robb (who's about 16) until he needs an alliance with the Freys.

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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
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EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Sansa's betrothal to Joffrey is a major plot point, but it seems like it's the first time such a topic has been discussed about ''any'' of their children. Later books show that there's a lot of discussion about political alliances being created with betrothals and weddings between houses, and the discussions can start early. Alys Karstark later tells Jon Snow that she was brought to Winterfell by her father years before in hopes of arranging a match between her and Robb, but somehow the topic never seems to have come up for Robb (who's about 16) until he needs an alliance with the Freys.



** At one point Ned Stark observes that Tywin Lannister is "as much fox as lion". Rennaisance philosopher Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli famously wrote in his classic work on politics, ''Literature/ThePrince'', that "The prince needs to be both a fox to avoid the snares and a lion to scare away the wolves".

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** At one point Ned Stark observes that Tywin Lannister is "as much fox as lion". Rennaisance Renaissance philosopher Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli famously wrote in his classic work on politics, ''Literature/ThePrince'', that "The prince needs to be both a fox to avoid the snares and a lion to scare away the wolves".

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