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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Tamlin is a RomanticFalseLead for Feyre and she ends up with Rhysand]]. This is extremely well-known by readers, even those who are only just starting the series, especially given [[spoiler:Feyre is with Rhysand for [[LateArrivalSpoiler over half the books]] and the sheer amount of publically-available fanart depicting them as a couple]].

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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Tamlin is a RomanticFalseLead for Feyre and she ends up with Rhysand]]. This is extremely well-known by readers, even those who are only just starting the series, especially given [[spoiler:Feyre is with Rhysand for [[LateArrivalSpoiler over half the books]] and the sheer amount of publically-available fanart publicly-available fan art depicting them as a couple]].



* ViewerNameConfusion: There's a bit of debate amongst readers over how to pronounce Rhysand's name. His nickname of Rhys is a real given name (Welsh in origin) pronounced the same as Reese, so some naturally assume Rhysand is pronounced "reese-and". However, others pronounce it as "rye-sand" or even "ris-and". Eventually, a pronunciation guide was released stating it's pronounced "ree-sand", though some readers still find it confusing or hard to adjust after spending years pronouncing it differently. Funnily enough, a few readers admitted they pronounced his nickname as "''reese''" but his full name as "''rye''-sand". Readers who are unfamiliar with the name Rhys were also known to say it as "rice" or "rise", adding to the confusion.

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* ViewerNameConfusion: ViewerPronunciationConfusion: There's a bit of debate amongst readers over how to pronounce Rhysand's name. His nickname of Rhys is a real given name (Welsh in origin) pronounced the same as Reese, so some naturally assume Rhysand is pronounced "reese-and". However, others pronounce it as "rye-sand" or even "ris-and". Eventually, a pronunciation guide was released stating it's pronounced "ree-sand", though some readers still find it confusing or hard to adjust after spending years pronouncing it differently. Funnily enough, a few readers admitted they pronounced his nickname as "''reese''" but his full name as "''rye''-sand". Readers who are unfamiliar with the name Rhys were also known to say it as "rice" or "rise", adding to the confusion.
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* ShipToShipCombat: Between Lucien/Elain and Azriel/Elain shippers, with Azriel/Gywn shippers entering the fray too following the publication of ''A Court of Silver Flames''. Lucien/Elain shippers want to them to be together because they're mates and they believe both characters deserve happiness and a second chance at love (Lucien's fiancee was murdered in front of him, Elain's fiance rejected her after she became Fae). Azriel/Elain shippers think they have more chemistry (Elain has repeatedly given Lucien the cold shoulder, with some fans even thinking ''Lucien'' deserves better) and point out that being mates doesn't guarantee a couple's happiness. Others think that Azriel acts overly possessive and entitled towards Elain, and think it's weird or cheesy for the three Illyrian 'brothers' to be paired with the three Archeron sisters. [[note]]Rhysand, Cassian and Azriel aren't biologically related but consider each other BloodBrothers [[/note]] Others don't want Elain paired with either man due to disliking her or thinking both pairings are ill-suited. Amongst some shippers, the debates have reached a point of dissolving into arguments and insults, with there even being reports of death threats and people getting kicked out of online groups for supporting the 'wrong' ship.

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* ShipToShipCombat: Between Lucien/Elain and Azriel/Elain shippers, with Azriel/Gywn shippers entering the fray too following the publication of ''A Court of Silver Flames''. Lucien/Elain shippers want to them to be together because they're mates and they believe both characters deserve happiness and a second chance at love (Lucien's fiancee was murdered in front of him, Elain's fiance rejected her after she became Fae). Azriel/Elain shippers think they have more chemistry (Elain has repeatedly given Lucien the cold shoulder, with some fans even thinking ''Lucien'' deserves better) and point out that being mates doesn't guarantee a couple's happiness. Others think that Azriel acts overly possessive and entitled towards Elain, and think it's weird or cheesy for the three Illyrian 'brothers' to be paired with the three Archeron sisters. [[note]]Rhysand, Cassian and Azriel aren't biologically related but consider each other BloodBrothers [[/note]] brothers[[/note]] Others don't want Elain paired with either man due to disliking her or thinking both pairings are ill-suited. Amongst some shippers, the debates have reached a point of dissolving into arguments and insults, with there even being reports of death threats and people getting kicked out of online groups for supporting the 'wrong' ship.
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** A large group of fans and detractors alike felt let down by ''A Court of Wings and Ruin'', mainly for focusing on Feyre's love life more than the war itself, retcons involving Lucien and Mor, and a lot of DeusExMachina towards the end, especially the arrival of [[spoiler: Feyre's father]] and [[spoiler: Rhysand dying for all of five minutes before coming back to life.]]

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** A large group of fans and detractors alike felt let down by ''A Court of Wings and Ruin'', mainly for focusing on Feyre's love life more than the war itself, retcons involving Lucien and Mor, and a lot of DeusExMachina towards the end, especially the arrival of [[spoiler: Feyre's father]] and [[spoiler: Rhysand dying for all of five minutes before coming back to life.]]life]]. Some readers also found the plot sluggish and repetitive compared to the previous two books, especially in the first half, and that it didn't have enough interesting content to justify its [[{{Doorstopper}} 700+ page count]] (which is notably higher than the previous entries').
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* IKnewIt: Many readers predicted that Rhysand's strange reaction to Feyre at the end of the first book was him realizing [[spoiler:they were mates and that she'd likely end up with him over Tamlin]]. This turned out to be precisely true in the second book.
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** ''The Plated Prisoner'' by Raven Kennedy can be considered this for its similarities to ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' (face romance with a toxic RomanticFalseLead and an AntiHero romance). On the flip side, there are readers who say Raven Kennedy managed to take the basic plotline and make it ''better''. These readers often say that there's less of a grey area with the RomanticFalseLead like [[spoiler:Tamlin]] dealing with present-day trauma and just being a manipulative bastard. And that the series true LoveInterest being more of a feminist than [[spoiler:Rhysand]] ever was by respecting the heroine's autonomy and using little to no manipulation tactics under the guise of "helping" the heroine. Of course, that being said, there is also quite a bit of FriendlyFandoms at play with readers liking both series ''because'' of their similarities.

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** ''The Plated Prisoner'' by Raven Kennedy can be considered this for its similarities to ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' (face (fae romance with a toxic RomanticFalseLead and an AntiHero romance). On the flip side, there are readers who say Raven Kennedy managed to take the basic plotline and make it ''better''. These readers It’s often say argued that there's there’s less of a grey area with in The Plated Prisoners RomanticFalseLead. That while there are humanizing moments, he’s just a bastard who happily uses the RomanticFalseLead like [[spoiler:Tamlin]] dealing with heroine to get up in the world. Whereas [[spoiler:Tamlin]], arguably, is simply reacting to present-day trauma and just being isn’t given a manipulative bastard. And chance to cope. They also argue that the series true LoveInterest being is more of a feminist ally than [[spoiler:Rhysand]] ever was was, by respecting the heroine's heroine’s autonomy at every step and never using little to no manipulation cruel or manipulative tactics under the guise of "helping" “helping” the heroine.heroine to get what he wants. Of course, that being said, there is also quite a bit of FriendlyFandoms at play with readers liking both series ''because'' of their similarities.
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** Azriel, to a lesser degree; he's been shipped with Mor, Elain, Gwyn, Lucien and Cassian. Following the release of the fifth book, some readers even began shipping him with ''[[FoeYayShipping Eris]]''.

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** Azriel, to a lesser degree; he's Azriel has been shipped with Mor, Elain, Gwyn, Lucien Lucien, Cassian and Cassian.[[Literature/CrescentCity Bryce]] [[CrossoverShip Quinlan]]. Following the release of the fifth book, some readers even began shipping him with ''[[FoeYayShipping Eris]]''.

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* FandomRivalry: Some fans of Anne Bishop's ''Literature/BlackJewels'' series don't have the highest opinion of ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' due to perceiving the latter as [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks ripping off]] many elements from the original ''Black Jewels'' trilogy. Admittedly, there are some similarities between the two works that seem too alike to be a coincidence and for what it's worth, Sarah J. Maas herself has stated she is a fan of the ''Black Jewels'' series. Some readers don't mind the similarities too much and see it more as Maas just taking inspiration from earlier works she likes (she'd hardly be the first author to do so), but others are less forgiving and see it less as inspiration and more as bordering on plagiarism
* FanonDiscontinuity: A portion of the fandom prefer not to read beyond the original trilogy due to disliking the direction the later books take, in particular Feyre undergoing BadassDecay, certain characters coming off as OOC and/or becoming unlikable in these readers' eyes, Rhysand's questionable treatment of Feyre in the fifth book, and the ever-increasing number of sex scenes (which some readers find distracting more than anything).

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Some fans of Anne Bishop's ''Literature/BlackJewels'' series don't have the highest opinion of ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' due to perceiving the latter as [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks ripping off]] many elements from the original ''Black Jewels'' trilogy. Admittedly, there are some similarities between the two works that seem too alike to be a coincidence and for what it's worth, Sarah J. Maas herself has stated she is a fan of the ''Black Jewels'' series. Some readers don't mind the similarities too much and see it more as Maas just taking inspiration from earlier works she likes (she'd hardly be the first author to do so), but others are less forgiving and see it less as inspiration and more as bordering on plagiarism
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** ''The Plated Prisoner'' by Raven Kennedy can be considered this for its similarities to ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' (face romance with a toxic RomanticFalseLead and an AntiHero romance). On the flip side, there are readers who say Raven Kennedy managed to take the basic plotline and make it ''better''. These readers often say that there's less of a grey area with the RomanticFalseLead like [[spoiler:Tamlin]] dealing with present-day trauma and just being a manipulative bastard. And that the series true LoveInterest being more of a feminist than [[spoiler:Rhysand]] ever was by respecting the heroine's autonomy and using little to no manipulation tactics under the guise of "helping" the heroine. Of course, that being said, there is also quite a bit of FriendlyFandoms at play with readers liking both series ''because'' of their similarities.
* FanonDiscontinuity: A portion of the fandom prefer prefers not to read beyond the original trilogy due to disliking the direction the later books take, in particular particular, Feyre undergoing BadassDecay, certain characters coming off as OOC and/or becoming unlikable in these readers' eyes, Rhysand's questionable treatment of Feyre in the fifth book, and the ever-increasing number of sex scenes (which some readers find distracting more than anything).
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** There's a divide in the fandom over whether the redesigned covers are better or worse than the originals. Up until 2020, the English-language versions of the books came with covers depicting illustrations of Feyre, standing in front of either a plain coloured background or a simple environment relating to the story (woods, mountains etc.). The books then received new covers, which feature stylised illustrations of animals or items relevant to the plot with simple, brightly-coloured backgrounds. Some fans prefer the new covers, feeling that they better reflect the novels' content and tone (in particular looking more "adult", given that an early issue with the series is that it was mismarketed to young teens) and that the originals looked cheesy and dated. Other fans [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks dislike the newer covers]], finding them to be garish and generic, and that the illustrations have little to do with the plot and/or are very obscure references, as opposed to something more significant; some fans were also displeased that the cover change occurred while the series was still ongoing, meaning their copies of the books won't match now. It's to the point that second-hand copies with the original discontinued covers are being sold and bought for ''over US$100''. And a third subset of fans don't much care for either design.
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** Rhysand. Critics accuse him of being just as bad as Tamlin, if not worse, for his villainous treatment of Feyre Under The Mountain and tendency to manipulate and/or lie to everyone, even those close to him. Fans point out that unlike Tamlin, his treatment of Feyre was ''while he was a villain'' (whereas Tamlin was her fiance´ and so should be held to higher standards) and like him for [[TookALevelInKindness growing kinder and trying to help Feyre overcome her PTSD]]. There are also readers who find Rhysand to be overly-idealized after the first book and having little characterization or depth outside of being the 'perfect boyfriend' [[spoiler:for Feyre]], while others like him for this reason. And then there's Rhysand's actions in ''A Court of Silver Flames'', including [[spoiler:purposefully withholding information about the potential dangers of Feyre's pregnancy '''from Feyre''' because of how telling her would affect ''[[ItsAllAboutMe him]]''. Then he threatened to kill Nesta for telling Feyre, something she has ''every right'' knowing]]. Some readers defend Rhys as just doing what he thinks is right in an incredibly difficult situation, while others think it proves he's no better than Tamlin and are sick of him being let off the hook for it.

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** Rhysand. Critics accuse him of being just as bad as Tamlin, if not worse, for his villainous treatment of Feyre Under The Mountain and tendency to manipulate and/or lie to everyone, even those close to him. Fans point out that unlike Tamlin, his treatment of Feyre was ''while he was a villain'' (whereas Tamlin was her fiance´ fiancé and so should be held to higher standards) and like him for [[TookALevelInKindness growing kinder and trying to help Feyre overcome her PTSD]]. There are also readers who find Rhysand to be overly-idealized after the first book and having little characterization or depth outside of being the 'perfect boyfriend' [[spoiler:for Feyre]], while others like him for this reason. And then there's Rhysand's actions in ''A Court of Silver Flames'', including [[spoiler:purposefully withholding information about the potential dangers of Feyre's pregnancy '''from Feyre''' because of how telling her would affect ''[[ItsAllAboutMe him]]''. Then he threatened to kill Nesta for telling Feyre, something she has ''every right'' knowing]]. Some readers defend Rhys as just doing what he thinks is right in an incredibly difficult situation, while others think it proves he's no better than Tamlin and are sick of him being let off the hook for it.



** ''A Court of Mist and Fury'' is seen by many fans as an EvenBetterSequel to ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' (with some fans going so far as to call it the series' peak). Many fans loved Rhysand's characterization and HiddenDepths, especially his support of Feyre [[spoiler:and their romantic subtext becoming text]], as well as the plotline involving Feyre dealing with and overcoming post-traumatic stress disorder, which most readers found to be a nuanced and realistic depiction. Some fans also appreciated that the book averts DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale, instead treating the subject very seriously. That said, there are some readers who took issue with Tamlin's character arc in this book and its knock-on effect upon other characters, and the introduction of a love triangle (which YA fiction tends to be oversaturated in) among other things, with some even regarding it as the 'beginning of the end' for the series.

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** ''A Court of Mist and Fury'' is seen by many fans as an EvenBetterSequel to ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' (with some fans going so far as to call it the series' peak). Many fans loved Rhysand's characterization and HiddenDepths, especially his support of Feyre [[spoiler:and their romantic subtext becoming text]], as well as the plotline involving Feyre dealing with and overcoming post-traumatic stress disorder, which most readers found to be a nuanced and realistic depiction. Some fans also appreciated that the book averts DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale, instead treating the subject very seriously. That said, there are some readers who took issue with Tamlin's character arc in this book and its knock-on effect upon other characters, and the introduction of a love triangle (which YA fiction tends of the time tended to be oversaturated in) among other things, with some even regarding it as the 'beginning of the end' for the series.
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** ''A Court of Silver Flames''. Many see it as an improvement over ''A Court of Frost and Starlight'' due to having a plot with actual stakes, and enjoy the book's focus on fan-favorite Nesta, her journey of recovery and her relationship with Cassian. However, others have criticized how unpleasant many of the main characters act, especially towards Nesta, and the main villain being considered a weaker antagonist compared to Amarantha and the King of Hybern. The plotline involving [[spoiler:Feyre's pregnancy]] also proved divisive; some enjoyed it and felt it was a great way to complete Nesta's arc, while others unfavorably compared it to ''[[Literature/{{Twilight}} Breaking Dawn]]'' and felt it was disappointing and problematic due to [[spoiler:Rhysand's behavior (which reminded some people of [[DomesticAbuse Tamlin]]), Nesta giving up her powers to save Feyre and her baby, and Feyre becoming rather passive and helpless]].

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** ''A Court of Silver Flames''. Many see it as an improvement over ''A Court of Frost and Starlight'' due to having a plot with actual stakes, and enjoy the book's focus on fan-favorite Nesta, her journey of recovery and her relationship with Cassian. However, others have criticized how unpleasant many of the main characters act, especially towards Nesta, and the main villain being considered a weaker antagonist compared to Amarantha and the King of Hybern. The plotline involving [[spoiler:Feyre's pregnancy]] also proved divisive; some enjoyed it and felt it was a great way to complete Nesta's arc, while others unfavorably compared it to ''[[Literature/{{Twilight}} Breaking Dawn]]'' ''Literature/BreakingDawn'' and felt it was disappointing and problematic due to [[spoiler:Rhysand's behavior (which reminded some people of [[DomesticAbuse Tamlin]]), Nesta giving up her powers to save Feyre and her baby, and Feyre becoming rather passive and helpless]].
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* ShippingBedDeath: For some Feyre/[[spoiler: Rhysand]] shippers, their actual relationship became tedious to read about after they got together, especially by ''A Court of Frost and Starlight''. The main criticisms brought up is that the story tends to shift the focus to their relationship even though there's other, more important things going on like the war with Hybern, and their relationship itself is mostly devoid of conflict and dramatic tension after the second book, consisting largely of them [[CoitusEnsues hooking up]] and constantly reiterating how much they love each other. Some readers also didn't appreciate the way [[spoiler: Tamlin]] got derailed as a love interest to make way for [[spoiler: Rhysand]]. This only worsened after the fifth book, due to many readers increasingly finding [[spoiler:Rhysand]]'s behavior problematic, while Feyre/the narrative constantly excuses it, making their dynamic come off as toxic.

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* ShippingBedDeath: For some Feyre/[[spoiler: Rhysand]] shippers, their actual relationship became tedious to read about after they got together, especially by ''A Court of Frost and Starlight''. The main criticisms brought up is that the story tends to shift the focus to their relationship even though there's other, more important things going on like the war with Hybern, and their relationship itself is mostly devoid of conflict and dramatic tension after the second book, consisting largely of them [[CoitusEnsues hooking up]] up and constantly reiterating how much they love each other. Some readers also didn't appreciate the way [[spoiler: Tamlin]] got derailed as a love interest to make way for [[spoiler: Rhysand]]. This only worsened after the fifth book, due to many readers increasingly finding [[spoiler:Rhysand]]'s behavior problematic, while Feyre/the narrative constantly excuses it, making their dynamic come off as toxic.

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** There were some readers who shipped Feyre with Lucien over Tamlin in the first book, enjoying their banter and growing respect for each other; it helps that Lucien physically shields Feyre from Rhysand and lies that she's his fiancée to protect her, they both come to each other’s rescue Under the Mountain and Lucien seems just as devastated as Tamlin by Feyre's death. In the second book Lucien also seems more aware than Tamlin of Feyre's mental state and attempts to coax him into supporting her better, with a few readers even getting the impression Lucien would end up as a canonical romantic rival. By the end of the second book though, most shippers realized it was never going to happen because it's made clear Feyre and [[spoiler:Rhysand]] were the OfficialCouple of the series; many remaining hold-outs were subsequently turned off the ship due to Feyre's rather poor treatment of Lucien in the third book, including her tricking Tamlin into believing they were having an affair to manipulate him.

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** There were some readers who shipped Feyre with Lucien over Tamlin in Feyre/Lucien had a decently-sized following after the first book, enjoying their banter and growing respect for each other; it helps that Lucien physically shields Feyre from Rhysand and lies that she's his fiancée to protect her, they both come to each other’s rescue Under the Mountain and Lucien seems just as devastated as Tamlin by Feyre's death. In continuing into the second book Lucien also seems more aware than Tamlin of Feyre's mental state and attempts to coax him into supporting her better, with a few readers even getting the impression Lucien would end up as a canonical romantic rival. book. By the end of the second book though, most shippers realized it was never going to happen because it's made clear Feyre and [[spoiler:Rhysand]] were the OfficialCouple of the series; many remaining hold-outs were subsequently turned off the ship due to Feyre's rather poor treatment of Lucien in the third book, including her tricking Tamlin into believing they were having an affair to manipulate him.him (arguably taking advantage of Lucien's trauma in the process).



* PlatonicWritingRomanticReading: Mor and Cassian are intended to be LikeBrotherAndSister, but some of their interactions make it seem more like they're romantically/sexually attracted to each other. For starters, Mor ''lost her virginity to Cassian''; although Mor says she mostly did it to get out of her arranged marriage, Cassian was quite willing to go along with it. Then there's Cassian's protectiveness of Mor and her using him as a buffer from Azriel (who has unrequited romantic feelings for her), which frequently includes her flirting with him. Mor also becomes quite possessive of Cassian whenever Nesta is around (whom Cassian is mated to), inserts herself between them and warns Nesta to stay away from him. Cassian himself often acts as if he's done something wrong if Mor catches him with Nesta and he tries to avoid being with her when Mor is about. One could argue Mor is just looking out for her friend given Nesta's prickliness, but the reactions from both of them can make it seem more like a woman being territorial over her crush and said crush not wanting to make her jealous.

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Mor and Cassian are intended to be LikeBrotherAndSister, but some of their interactions make it seem more like they're romantically/sexually attracted to each other. For starters, Mor ''lost her virginity to Cassian''; although Mor says she mostly did it to get out of her arranged marriage, Cassian was quite willing to go along with it. Then there's Cassian's protectiveness of Mor and her using him as a buffer from Azriel (who has unrequited romantic feelings for her), which frequently includes her flirting with him. Mor also becomes quite possessive of Cassian whenever Nesta is around (whom Cassian is mated to), inserts herself between them and warns Nesta to stay away from him. Cassian himself often acts as if he's done something wrong if Mor catches him with Nesta and he tries to avoid being with her when Mor is about. One could argue Mor is just looking out for her friend given Nesta's prickliness, but the reactions from both of them can make it seem more like a woman being territorial over her crush and said crush not wanting to make her jealous.jealous.
** Several readers were given the impression that Lucien and Feyre's interactions indicated he was a potential love interest for her, with some readers actually shipping Feyre with Lucien over Tamlin in the first book, enjoying their banter and growing respect for each other. It helps that Lucien physically shields Feyre from Rhysand and lies that she's his fiancée to protect her, they both come to each other's rescue Under the Mountain and Lucien seems just as devastated as Tamlin by Feyre's death. In the second book Lucien also seems more aware than Tamlin of Feyre's mental state and attempts to coax him into supporting her better, with a few readers even getting the impression Lucien would end up as a canonical romantic rival. Feyre even flirts with Lucien in the third book to make Tamlin jealous, while Lucien ends up turning on Tamlin to help Feyre (after she rescues him from Ianthe). They were apparently never intended to be anything but friends, especially as Sarah J Maas has indicated Feyre and [[spoiler:Rhysand]] were always the endgame couple, and stated she originally intended for Lucien and ''Nesta'' to fall in love in the second book (before switching to a love triangle between Elain, Lucien and Azriel).
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** Feyre is not without her detractors. There are those who think her jaded personality from the start was a ClicheStorm, those who like her as a human but think she became less interesting after she became a High Fae, and those who appreciate her character arc in its entirety. Her actions in ''A Court of Wings and Ruin'' have been particularly divisive amongst readers, especially considering she [[KarmaHoudini never really experiences any repercussions for this]]. Her role in ''A Court of Silver Flames'' has created further divisions. Some have equated Feyre forcing Nesta to live at the House of Wind with Tamlin's actions toward her in ''[[DoubleStandard A Court of Mist and Fury]]'' and find that she's unempathetic to her sister's trauma, while others have defended her as giving Nesta ToughLove treatment out of frustration.

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** Feyre is not without her detractors. There are those who think her jaded personality from the start was a ClicheStorm, those who like her as a human but think she became less interesting after she became a High Fae, and those who appreciate her character arc in its entirety. Her actions in ''A Court of Wings and Ruin'' have been particularly divisive amongst readers, especially considering she [[KarmaHoudini never really experiences any repercussions for this]]. Her role in ''A Court of Silver Flames'' has created further divisions. Some have equated Feyre forcing Nesta to live at the House of Wind with Tamlin's actions toward her in ''[[DoubleStandard A Court of Mist and Fury]]'' [[note]] And some would even argue that ''Feyre'' still comes out looking worse. Tamlin ''tried'' to come up with a compromise, but Feyre wouldn't take it. And he only put up the barrier, in their own home, because he knew she'd follow him. Meanwhile, Feyra gave Nesta the "choice" to go to the House of Wind or go to the human realm, and that if they had to tie up Nesta and drag her there, they would.[[/note]] and find that she's unempathetic to her sister's trauma, while others have defended her as giving Nesta ToughLove treatment out of frustration.

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* AngstWhatAngst: In ''A Court of Silver Flames'', Feyre doesn't seem nearly as horrified as one would expect when she discovers her mate and friends all conspired not to tell her that [[spoiler:she and her unborn baby are very likely going to die in childbirth; she finds out when her sister blurts it out in a moment of rage (her mate then threatens to kill her sister)]]. Feyre does get upset and later states Rhysand overreacted about Nesta, but she forgives Rhysand and the Inner Circle ''very'' easily despite them lying to her about something so serious and personal to her. Considering Feyre's past trauma around being controlled and left out of the loop by a partner (and that she went nuclear on [[spoiler:Tamlin]] for betraying her trust and hurting her family), her reaction can come off as bizarrely minor.

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** Besides occasionally having nightmares (which tend to be mentioned rather than shown), Rhysand is surprisingly well-adjusted for someone who [[spoiler:found his mother and sister decapitated]], then was held captive, repeatedly raped and made to torture and murder dozens - if not hundreds - of people for half a century. Considering he's only had his freedom back for three months by ''A Court of Mist and Fury'', you'd expect him to be more affected by it. He also never expresses much remorse or guilt about the numerous people he's hurt and killed over the years in Amarantha's service. No one in the Inner Circle ever really brings it up either, even though something awful happened to someone they love that kept him away from them for decades (plus he mostly endured it purely to protect ''them'', which you would think would cause some feelings guilt or responsibility).
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In ''A Court of Silver Flames'', Feyre doesn't seem nearly as horrified as one would expect when she discovers her mate and friends all conspired not to tell her that [[spoiler:she and her unborn baby are very likely going to die in childbirth; she finds out when her sister blurts it out in a moment of rage (her mate then threatens to kill her sister)]]. Feyre does get upset and later states Rhysand overreacted about Nesta, but she forgives Rhysand and the Inner Circle ''very'' easily despite them lying to her about something so serious and personal to her. Considering Feyre's past trauma around being controlled and left out of the loop by a partner (and that she went nuclear on [[spoiler:Tamlin]] for betraying her trust and hurting her family), her reaction can come off as bizarrely minor.
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* IdiotPlot: The whole situation surrounding [[spoiler:Feyre's pregnancy]] in ''A Court of Silver Flames''.
** Firstly, just about everyone - including [[spoiler:Feyre's own husband]] - think it's a good idea to hide from her that [[spoiler:her pregnancy]] is high-risk to the point both she and [[spoiler:her unborn child]] may not survive. Rather than help Feyre find a solution, everyone spends months privately wringing their hands and lamenting the supposed inevitable demise of Feyre [[spoiler:and her child]] while Feyre remains blissfully unaware.
** Secondly, because of the stupid pact Feyre and Rhysand made at the end of ''A Court of Wings and Ruin'' [[spoiler: binding their life-forces]], this means that if Feyre dies [[spoiler:Rhysand is screwed as well]], which could've been avoided if they hadn't been so short-sighted.
** Thirdly, the issue with [[spoiler: Feyre's pregnancy]] boils down to the fact her High Fae body doesn't have enough room for [[spoiler:a part-Illyrian child]]. However, it's established that she could change the shape of [[spoiler:her pelvis]] with her shapeshifting powers. It's claimed this isn't an option because it ''might'' hurt [[spoiler:the baby]], but it's not known for certain. In a worst-case scenario, potentially losing [[spoiler:the baby]] would still arguably be better than [[spoiler:the baby, Feyre and Rhysand ''all'' being doomed]]. There also doesn't seem to be any reason - magically or medically - that [[spoiler:a caesarean wouldn't be an option]], especially seeing as Feyre has access to the best healers in the land, some of whom have demonstrated the ability to heal life-threatening injuries in moments.
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* AngstWhatAngst: In ''A Court of Silver Flames'', Feyre doesn't seem nearly as horrified as one would expect when she discovers her mate and friends all conspired not to tell her that [[spoiler:she and her unborn baby are very likely going to die in childbirth; she finds out when her sister blurts it out in a moment of rage (her mate then threatens to kill her sister)]]. Feyre does get upset and later states Rhysand overreacted about Nesta, but she forgives Rhysand and the Inner Circle ''very'' easily despite them lying to her about something so serious and personal to her. Considering Feyre's past trauma around being controlled and left out of the loop by a partner (and that she went nuclear on [[spoiler:Tamlin]] for betraying her trust and hurting her family), her reaction can come off as bizarrely minor.
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** Feyre being dressed in skimpy outfits and covered in body paint so Rhysand can tell if anyone touches her is reminiscent of Anck-Su-Namun from ''Film/TheMummy1999'', although in the latter case the paint didn't magically fix itself (if it did Anck-Su-Namun and Imhotep would probably have had far fewer problems).
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* HypeBacklash: ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' became one of the most popular and bestselling young adult fantasy book series in the mid-to-late 2010s, continuing into the 2020s (alongside Creator/SarahJMaas' other fantasy series ''Literature/ThroneOfGlass''), in particular being praised for its feminist themes and strong female protagonist. However, backlash started to kick in round about when the novella was published in 2018 and intensified after the release of ''A Court of Silver Flames'' in 2021, with readers becoming a lot more critical of the series due to these installments highlighting already-existing flaws. While the books definitely do have a large fanbase still, increasingly readers have been finding the series a sub-standard example of a {{feminist fantasy}} due to issues such as problematic depictions of romantic relationships, and hypocritical messages around abuse and trauma.

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* HypeBacklash: ''A Court of Thorns and Roses'' became one of the most popular and bestselling young adult fantasy book series in the mid-to-late 2010s, continuing into the 2020s (alongside Creator/SarahJMaas' other fantasy series ''Literature/ThroneOfGlass''), in particular being praised for its feminist themes and strong female protagonist. However, backlash started to kick in round about when the novella was published in 2018 and intensified after the release of ''A Court of Silver Flames'' in 2021, with readers becoming a lot more critical of the series due to these installments highlighting already-existing flaws. While the books definitely do have a large fanbase still, increasingly readers have been finding the series a sub-standard example of a {{feminist fantasy}} due to issues such as problematic depictions of romantic relationships, and hypocritical messages around abuse and trauma. Even some legitimate fans of the series have been known to say they enjoy it more as a GuiltyPleasure.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** The series has been criticized for the lack of diversity (the majority of the main cast are white and straight), which is what presumably prompted Maas to make Mor bisexual with a preference for women (in a rather problematic way) and Lucien more dark-skinned [[spoiler:as Helion's son]], [[RetCon even though the latter had been described in previous books as pale-skinned]].
** Maas arguably handles diversity better than previous entries with the introduction of Emerie as a supporting protagonist in ''A Court of Silver Flames'': she's an AmbiguouslyBrown Illyrian woman (most fanart depicts her as dark-skinned) who is strongly hinted to be attracted to women given her [[ShipTease flustered reaction]] to Mor.
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* MarySueTopia: The Night Court, or at least [[ShiningCity Velaris]]. It's a beautiful city that was kept hidden from Amarantha and so was left untouched by her reign. It's one of the most progressive places in Prythian (such as having better opportunities and treatment for women and non-High Fae), almost resembling a modern city in a roughly medieval time period, with shops, cafes, bars, museums, art galleries etc. The Inner Circle are adored by the people and anyone who dislikes or disagrees with them are usually either villains or misguided. Despite being a port city and relying on trade for its economy, no outsiders have ever learned of its existence (which is handwaved by [[AWizardDidIt magic wards]]). That said, there are apparently still issues with poverty and poor housing given Nesta is depicted living in a rundown apartment complex, though the rulers 'resolve' this by evicting everyone, bulldozing the apartments and building a refuge. It's worth noting this apparently applies ''only'' to Velaris; the only other places in the Night Court we get to see - the Hewn City and the Illyrian camps - are misogynistic hellholes that thrive on cruelty and violence, with Rhysand making minimal efforts to resolve their issues despite espousing equality and compassion. Velaris is in fact kept hidden from most of the Night Court as well, so only certain 'elite' Night Court citizens get to live there.
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** Amren became this following ''A Court of Wings and Ruin'', and especially after ''A Court of Silver Flames''. Amren was popular amongst readers for her enigmatic nature and "take-no-shit" attitude, so some readers were happy that she [[spoiler:came back to life after sacrificing herself]] at the end of ''Wings and Ruin''. However, other readers weren't so keen, arguing that her [[spoiler:dying in this way was a fitting bittersweet end to her arc and her survival came off as an AssPull]]. The way her character is handled in subsequent books also resulted in even some readers who liked her wishing she'd [[spoiler:stayed dead]]; she's been criticized for being far less interesting after turning into [[spoiler:a standard High Fae]], and doing little but making patronizing or nasty comments to people, especially towards a PTSD-stricken Nesta.
** Nesta, whilst immensely popular with readers, also has her detractors. Some readers can't get over how cold and snappish she is to just about everyone, thinking she uses her trauma as an excuse to be mean-spirited and that she deserved everything that happened to her in ''A Court of Silver Flames''. Others like Nesta despite her sharp-tongue and bad temper, pointing out that her attitude is clearly a reaction to years of trauma, that she does love her family in spite of their hostility towards each other, and sympathizing with her feelings of self-hatred and worthlessness. Her fans tend to think that the Inner Circle is excessive in their vitriol towards her, if not downright callous. There are some who even claim that Nesta's treatment is okay with Nesta because she doesn't believe she deserves happiness, while other's point out that neither did Feyre after Under the Mountain and both the narrative and fanbase coddled ''her'' for it.

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** Amren became this following ''A Court of Wings and Ruin'', and especially after ''A Court of Silver Flames''. Amren was popular amongst readers for her enigmatic nature and "take-no-shit" attitude, so some readers were happy that she [[spoiler:came back to life after sacrificing herself]] at the end of ''Wings and Ruin''. However, other readers weren't so keen, arguing that her [[spoiler:dying in this way was a fitting bittersweet end to her arc and her survival came off as an AssPull]]. The way her character is handled in subsequent books also resulted in even some readers who liked her wishing she'd [[spoiler:stayed dead]]; she's been criticized for being far less interesting after turning into [[spoiler:a standard High Fae]], and doing little but making patronizing or nasty comments to people, people - especially towards a PTSD-stricken Nesta.Nesta - and encouraging Rhysand to conquer all of Prythian to become High King.
** Nesta, whilst immensely popular with readers, also has her detractors. Some readers can't get over how cold and snappish she is to just about everyone, thinking she uses her trauma as an excuse to be mean-spirited and that she deserved everything that happened to her in ''A Court of Silver Flames''. Others like Nesta despite her sharp-tongue and bad temper, pointing out that her attitude is clearly a reaction to years of trauma, that she does love her family in spite of their hostility towards each other, and sympathizing with her feelings of self-hatred and worthlessness. Her fans tend to think that the Inner Circle is excessive in their vitriol towards her, if not downright callous. There are some who even claim that Nesta's treatment is okay with Nesta because she doesn't believe she deserves happiness, while other's others point out that neither did Feyre after Under the Mountain and both the narrative and fanbase coddled ''her'' for it.
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** Lucien being revealed as [[spoiler:Helion's son]] in ''A Court of Wings and Ruin''. It's a pretty obvious retcon given that in the first book Lucien is described as [[spoiler:sharing facial features with Beron, his supposed father]]; Lucien is also now described as slightly darker-skinned due to [[spoiler:Helion being black]], whereas initially Lucien was described as fair-skinned (sun-tanned at most). Some readers felt it came off as a clumsy attempt to retroactively add ethnic diversity to the otherwise white main cast (given Sarah J. Maas has previously received criticism for this).

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