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In the Knightmare sequences, we see the Earth is now all sandy. And in Zack Snyder's original plans, Darkseid was supposed to get his hands on the mother boxes and use them against Earth. And since the Mother Boxes turn planets into copies of their users' home world. We can infer that the Apokilips in this universe happens to have a lot of sand
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In the Knightmare sequences, we see the Earth is now all sandy. And in Zack Snyder's original plans, Darkseid was supposed to get his hands on the mother boxes and use them against Earth. And since the Mother Boxes turn planets into copies of their users' home world. We can infer that the Apokilips Apokolips in this universe happens to have a lot of sand
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[[WMG: Apokolips is sandy]]
In the Knightmare sequences, we see the Earth is now all sandy. And in Zack Snyder's original plans, Darkseid was supposed to get his hands on the mother boxes and use them against Earth. And since the Mother Boxes turn planets into copies of their users' home world. We can infer that the Apokilips in this universe happens to have a lot of sand
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[[WMG: For all intents and purposes, the scene between Lois and Martha did happen for both of them.]]
J'onn J'onnz was as invested in helping Martha come to terms with her grief for Clark as he was for Lois. So, as soon as he had concluded the meeting with Lois for which he had impersonated Martha, he went to the real Martha and used Martian mind-altering telepathy to (very carefully and sensitively) impart the memory of the conversation upon her. Along with aiding their recovery from grief, it also ensured that no awkward follow-up would occur should Lois ask Martha about the conversation which in reality, she never really had.
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* Debunked.Tossed. There's no mention of the Flash creating an elseworld by going back through time.
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* Debunked.
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* Debunked. The movie ends with several cliffhangers that were not followed through in the subsequent movies, this leads to the conclusion that the timeline that was erased was the on from the directors cut.
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* Debunked. Although the dialogue between [=DeSaad=] and Steppenwolf implies that this was the reason he was banned from Apokolips, he is completely in league with Darkseid and his conquering of Earth is seen as an act of redemption for his past betrayal.
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* Debunked.Tossed. Although the dialogue between [=DeSaad=] and Steppenwolf implies that this was the reason he was banned from Apokolips, he is completely in league with Darkseid and his conquering of Earth is seen as an act of redemption for his past betrayal.
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** Debunked.Tossed. It's exactly the same as in the theatrical cut.
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* Debunked.
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* Debunked Tossed for this film, though who knows what happens afterwards...
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* Debunked.Tossed. It's ComicBook/MartianManhunter.
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* Jossed.Debunked. Although the dialogue between [=DeSaad=] and Steppenwolf implies that this was the reason he was banned from Apokolips, he is completely in league with Darkseid and his conquering of Earth is seen as an act of redemption for his past betrayal.
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* Jossed.
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* Jossed Debunked for this film, though who knows what happens afterwards...
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* Jossed.Debunked. It's ComicBook/MartianManhunter.
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** This could also lead to an epic and extremely dark scene, set even later during the Knightmare future, where Batman has to fight an evil Superman, who manages to burn Batman's eyes and the surrounding skin on his face via EyeBeams. As a result, Batman's appearance turns into a twisted version of his comic book look: milky white blind eyes, surrounded by charred black skin. Then Superman tries to hit him, believing this to be a CurbStompBattle due to Batman's blindness... and Batman dodges. Again and again. This is followed by an ArmorPiercingQuestion by Batman: "Tell me... when does the future start?" Cue OhCrap look by Superman, who realizes Superman could not use his eyes anymore, but he could still use his clairvoyance to see a millisecond into the future, nullifying his blindness.
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[[WMG: The "Knightmare" came about ''because'' of [[spoiler:Bruce and Lois' affair]] but Barry's appearance kept that from happening, which in turn, thanks to ForWantOfANail, will make the BadFuture easier to prevent]]
Working off a bit from a theory in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_HoSJED0A this video]], Snyder had originally envisioned a [[spoiler:relationship between Bruce and Lois during Clark's death, which in turn led to Bruce hesitating at a crucial moment to protect her from Darkseid because he wasn't sure if the child she was pregnant with was [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe his or Clark's]]]]. However, it got {{Executive Veto}}ed, but there was still that line from Knightmare-Superman back in ''[=BvS=]'' ("She was my world... and you took her from me.") that still apparently alludes to that original plan. So basically, it wasn't ''just'' the loss of his wife and [[spoiler:unborn child]] that rendered Superman vulnerable to Anti-Life, but it was also being shown by Darkseid that [[spoiler:the two people he thought he could trust went behind his back like that and that the kid might not even have been his]]. However, Barry going back in time to warn Bruce but going back too early ends up inadvertently being what's needed to prevent the Knightmare - Bruce knows beforehand that Lois is "the key" to Superman so he [[spoiler:doesn't try anything shady with her]] and thus feels more driven to actually [[spoiler:[[HeroicSacrifice do what he needs to do to prevent the Knightmare from happening]]]].
Working off a bit from a theory in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_HoSJED0A this video]], Snyder had originally envisioned a [[spoiler:relationship between Bruce and Lois during Clark's death, which in turn led to Bruce hesitating at a crucial moment to protect her from Darkseid because he wasn't sure if the child she was pregnant with was [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe his or Clark's]]]]. However, it got {{Executive Veto}}ed, but there was still that line from Knightmare-Superman back in ''[=BvS=]'' ("She was my world... and you took her from me.") that still apparently alludes to that original plan. So basically, it wasn't ''just'' the loss of his wife and [[spoiler:unborn child]] that rendered Superman vulnerable to Anti-Life, but it was also being shown by Darkseid that [[spoiler:the two people he thought he could trust went behind his back like that and that the kid might not even have been his]]. However, Barry going back in time to warn Bruce but going back too early ends up inadvertently being what's needed to prevent the Knightmare - Bruce knows beforehand that Lois is "the key" to Superman so he [[spoiler:doesn't try anything shady with her]] and thus feels more driven to actually [[spoiler:[[HeroicSacrifice do what he needs to do to prevent the Knightmare from happening]]]].
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[[WMG: The "Knightmare" How the Knightmare future came about ''because'' of [[spoiler:Bruce and Lois' affair]] but Barry's appearance kept that from happening, which in turn, thanks to ForWantOfANail, will make the BadFuture easier to prevent]]
how it can be prevented]]
Working off a bit from a theory in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_HoSJED0A thisvideo]], video]] and WhatCouldHaveBeen, where Snyder had originally envisioned a [[spoiler:relationship between Bruce and Lois that developed during Clark's death, which in turn led to Bruce hesitating at a crucial moment to protect her from being killed by Darkseid because he wasn't sure if the child she was pregnant with was [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe his or Clark's]]]]. However, Naturally, it got {{Executive Veto}}ed, but there was still that line from Knightmare-Superman back in ''[=BvS=]'' ("She was my world... and you took her from me.") that still apparently alludes to that original plan. So basically, it wasn't ''just'' the loss of his wife and [[spoiler:unborn child]] that rendered Superman vulnerable to Anti-Life, but it was also being shown by Darkseid that [[spoiler:the two people he thought he could trust went behind his back like that and that the kid might not even have been his]]. However, Barry going back in time to warn Bruce but going back too early ends up inadvertently being what's needed to prevent the Knightmare - Bruce knows beforehand that Lois is "the key" to Superman so he [[spoiler:doesn't try anything shady with her]] and thus feels more driven to actually [[spoiler:[[HeroicSacrifice do what he needs to do to prevent the Knightmare from happening]]]].
Working off a bit from a theory in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_HoSJED0A this
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His "Knightmares" are not mere perceptions entirely generated by his brain (i.e. dreams): they are actual visions of the future. This explains how he could dream about Barry Allen "being too early" in [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnofJustice BvS]], when he didn't even know about Barry Allen's existence, let alone the powers he had.
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His "Knightmares" are not mere perceptions entirely generated by his brain (i.e. dreams): they are actual actually visions of the future. This explains how he could dream about Barry Allen "being too early" in [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnofJustice BvS]], ''[[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnofJustice BvS]]'', when he didn't even know about Barry Allen's existence, let alone the powers he had.
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[[WMG: The "Knightmare" came about ''because'' of [[spoiler:Bruce and Lois' affair]] but Barry's appearance kept that from happening, which in turn, thanks to ForWantOfANail, will make the BadFuture easier to prevent]]
Working off a bit from a theory in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_HoSJED0A this video]], Snyder had originally envisioned a [[spoiler:relationship between Bruce and Lois during Clark's death, which in turn led to Bruce hesitating at a crucial moment to protect her from Darkseid because he wasn't sure if the child she was pregnant with was [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe his or Clark's]]]]. However, it got {{Executive Veto}}ed, but there was still that line from Knightmare-Superman back in ''[=BvS=]'' ("She was my world... and you took her from me.") that still apparently alludes to that original plan. So basically, it wasn't ''just'' the loss of his wife and [[spoiler:unborn child]] that rendered Superman vulnerable to Anti-Life, but it was also being shown by Darkseid that [[spoiler:the two people he thought he could trust went behind his back like that and that the kid might not even have been his]]. However, Barry going back in time to warn Bruce but going back too early ends up inadvertently being what's needed to prevent the Knightmare - Bruce knows beforehand that Lois is "the key" to Superman so he [[spoiler:doesn't try anything shady with her]] and thus feels more driven to actually [[spoiler:[[HeroicSacrifice do what he needs to do to prevent the Knightmare from happening]]]].
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[[WMG: Batman's superpower is clairvoyance]]
His "Knightmares" are not mere perceptions entirely generated by his brain (i.e. dreams): they are actual visions of the future. This explains how he could dream about Barry Allen "being too early" in [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnofJustice BvS]], when he didn't even know about Barry Allen's existence, let alone the powers he had.
* As a corollary, he regularly used clairvoyance to be always sure to [[MundaneUtility make the right investments]] and become so rich.
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** Confirmed, though neither Batman nor Joker is particularly pleased with this.
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betrayal.
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* Knowing how Snyder's movies work, this is as unlikely as it gets.
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betrayal.]]
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With his tech ability making him a match for the Mother Boxes, which Darkseid and DeSaad are after, he is bound to be captured and used by them for their own purposes, like what happened to him in Apokolips War.
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With his tech ability making him a match for the Mother Boxes, which Darkseid and DeSaad [=DeSaad=] are after, he is bound to be captured and used by them for their own purposes, like what happened to him in Apokolips War.
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[[WMG: Cyborg will be targeted by Apokolips]]
With his tech ability making him a match for the Mother Boxes, which Darkseid and DeSaad are after, he is bound to be captured and used by them for their own purposes, like what happened to him in Apokolips War.
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[[WMG: Knightmare isn't the future, it's a parallel Earth]]
We know thanks to not only the narration but The Flash that other dimensions and alternate realities exist. Bruce's dreams/visions of the "future" happen when he synchronizes with his alternate self.
We know thanks to not only the narration but The Flash that other dimensions and alternate realities exist. Bruce's dreams/visions of the "future" happen when he synchronizes with his alternate self.
