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In the Diary of Ellen, it's mentioned that Ellen had regular dealings with a demon [[spoiler: (aside from the Cat Demon)]] known as the Crow Demon. The Crow Demon specialized in medical and pharmecudical equipment, experimentation, and spells and often granted Ellen painkillers to deal with her illness. Ellen didn't deal with this Demon for actually curing the sickness, because that's what she contracted [[spoiler: the Cat Demon]] for and thus he had to grant it his own way.
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In the Diary of Ellen, it's mentioned that Ellen had regular dealings with a demon [[spoiler: (aside from the Cat Demon)]] Demon) known as the Crow Demon. The Crow Demon specialized in medical and pharmecudical equipment, experimentation, and spells and often granted Ellen painkillers to deal with her illness. Ellen didn't deal with this Demon for actually curing the sickness, because that's what she contracted [[spoiler: the Cat Demon]] Demon for and thus he had to grant it his own way.
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In Misao, Ogre reappears as Onigawara, and here he's responsible for letting Misao have her vengeance on the student body of the school. He also conveniently serves as the only save point in the school, which if he is the Crow Demon, also fits in with the Crows being the Save points in Mad Father. Even more evidence of his connections to medical knowledge is that game is known for having quite a few callbacks to Mad Father. The main ones being [[spoiler: Mrs. Library]] and the Laboratory section in the game, with a mad doctor wielding a chainsaw looking quite similar to Dr. Drevis. In the 2017 rerelease, he even has his private quarters that house dolls of all kinds, and [[spoiler: Mrs. Library]] even rejects being called [[spoiler: Aya]] as [[spoiler: "Only father can call [her] by that name]]. As can be seen in some endings to Mad Father, Onigawara is responsible for setting the doctor back up there and continuing his work.
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In Misao, Ogre reappears as Onigawara, and here he's responsible for letting Misao have her vengeance on the student body of the school. He also conveniently serves as the only save point in the school, which if he is the Crow Demon, also fits in with the Crows being the Save points in Mad Father. Even more evidence of his connections to medical knowledge is that game is known for having quite a few callbacks to Mad Father. The main ones being [[spoiler: Mrs. Library]] Library and the Laboratory section in the game, with a mad doctor wielding a chainsaw looking quite similar to Dr. Drevis. In the 2017 rerelease, he even has his private quarters that house dolls of all kinds, and [[spoiler: Mrs. Library]] Library even rejects being called [[spoiler: Aya]] Aya as [[spoiler: "Only father can call [her] by that name]].name. As can be seen in some endings to Mad Father, Onigawara is responsible for setting the doctor back up there and continuing his work.
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[[WMG: The Chef is [[WebAnimation/LlamasWithHats Carl]] or works for him]]
He cooks and eat hands, come on.
He cooks and eat hands, come on.
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** Jossed. In the MV version, it is revealed that her soul was devoured by the cat.
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** Well, whatever it was, it had the opposite effect. The despair that Viola felt from her father shooting her and calling her a monster was the death blow.
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* Perhaps a naming issue, then. In "The Witch's House", a "Witch" is actually a Magical Girl, only named that way by the Incubator to manipulate the girls into reaping souls. The Incubators are using this method to experiment with using Human Souls to prevent the Heat Death of the universe instead of merely girls' despair, and the "death" by despair is merely additional energy that the Incubators can harvest.
* Perhaps also the "death" of the "Witch" by falling into despair turns them into the "Madoka" Witch, except this time, the result is bound to the House. Or something.
* Perhaps also the "death" of the "Witch" by falling into despair turns them into the "Madoka" Witch, except this time, the result is bound to the House. Or something.
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[[WMG: The Crow Demon mentioned in the [[AllThereInTheManual Diary of Ellen]] is also Ogre/Onigawara from VideoGame/MadFather and VideoGame/{{Misao}}.]]
In the Diary of Ellen, it's mentioned that Ellen had regular dealings with a demon [[spoiler: (aside from the Cat Demon)]] known as the Crow Demon. The Crow Demon specialized in medical and pharmecudical equipment, experimentation, and spells and often granted Ellen painkillers to deal with her illness. Ellen didn't deal with this Demon for actually curing the sickness, because that's what she contracted [[spoiler: the Cat Demon]] for and thus he had to grant it his own way.
When we get to Mad Father, we see Ogre as the one letting Monika have her vengeance on the household. Not only that, but there's quite a few things in game that seem to deal with him. For one, Ogre is the one responsible for giving Dr. Drevis the tools and knowledge he needed to make his dolls. The Doctor is a doctor for a reason, and got that medical knowledge from Ogre. Finally, the save points in game are Crows, which brings us forwards to VideoGame/{{Misao}}.
In Misao, Ogre reappears as Onigawara, and here he's responsible for letting Misao have her vengeance on the student body of the school. He also conveniently serves as the only save point in the school, which if he is the Crow Demon, also fits in with the Crows being the Save points in Mad Father. Even more evidence of his connections to medical knowledge is that game is known for having quite a few callbacks to Mad Father. The main ones being [[spoiler: Mrs. Library]] and the Laboratory section in the game, with a mad doctor wielding a chainsaw looking quite similar to Dr. Drevis. In the 2017 rerelease, he even has his private quarters that house dolls of all kinds, and [[spoiler: Mrs. Library]] even rejects being called [[spoiler: Aya]] as [[spoiler: "Only father can call [her] by that name]]. As can be seen in some endings to Mad Father, Onigawara is responsible for setting the doctor back up there and continuing his work.
In short, Ogre/Onigawara could be the Crow Demon as described in the Diary of Ellen, and this is all the evidence from the various games that point towards it.
In the Diary of Ellen, it's mentioned that Ellen had regular dealings with a demon [[spoiler: (aside from the Cat Demon)]] known as the Crow Demon. The Crow Demon specialized in medical and pharmecudical equipment, experimentation, and spells and often granted Ellen painkillers to deal with her illness. Ellen didn't deal with this Demon for actually curing the sickness, because that's what she contracted [[spoiler: the Cat Demon]] for and thus he had to grant it his own way.
When we get to Mad Father, we see Ogre as the one letting Monika have her vengeance on the household. Not only that, but there's quite a few things in game that seem to deal with him. For one, Ogre is the one responsible for giving Dr. Drevis the tools and knowledge he needed to make his dolls. The Doctor is a doctor for a reason, and got that medical knowledge from Ogre. Finally, the save points in game are Crows, which brings us forwards to VideoGame/{{Misao}}.
In Misao, Ogre reappears as Onigawara, and here he's responsible for letting Misao have her vengeance on the student body of the school. He also conveniently serves as the only save point in the school, which if he is the Crow Demon, also fits in with the Crows being the Save points in Mad Father. Even more evidence of his connections to medical knowledge is that game is known for having quite a few callbacks to Mad Father. The main ones being [[spoiler: Mrs. Library]] and the Laboratory section in the game, with a mad doctor wielding a chainsaw looking quite similar to Dr. Drevis. In the 2017 rerelease, he even has his private quarters that house dolls of all kinds, and [[spoiler: Mrs. Library]] even rejects being called [[spoiler: Aya]] as [[spoiler: "Only father can call [her] by that name]]. As can be seen in some endings to Mad Father, Onigawara is responsible for setting the doctor back up there and continuing his work.
In short, Ogre/Onigawara could be the Crow Demon as described in the Diary of Ellen, and this is all the evidence from the various games that point towards it.
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[[WMG: The Black Cat Demon is the Cheshire Cat from ''VideoGame/AliceMare.'']]
* Let’s see: black cat demon, makes pacts with people, greets people with “yo,” eats the souls of children... literally the same character, how did they get away with this?
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[[WMG: Viola will play the [[TheWorldEndsWithYou Reaper's Game]].]]
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[[WMG: Viola will play the [[TheWorldEndsWithYou [[VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou Reaper's Game]].]]
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[[WMG: The game takes place in an AlternateUniverse of the ''PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' world.]]
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[[WMG: The game takes place in an AlternateUniverse of the ''PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' ''Franchise/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' world.]]
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* Also, there's a sort of opposite thing for witchs going on: In ''Madoka'', a witch is created when a magical girl falls into despair. In ''The Witch's House'', falling into despair is what causes a witch to lose her immortality.
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* Also, there's a sort of opposite thing for witchs witches going on: In ''Madoka'', a witch is created when a magical girl falls into despair. In ''The Witch's House'', falling into despair is what causes a witch to lose her immortality.
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* Also, there's a sort of opposite thing for witch's going on: In ''Madoka'', a witch is created when a magical girl falls into despair. In ''The Witch's House'', falling into despair is what causes a witch to lose her immortality.
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* Also, there's a sort of opposite thing for witch's witchs going on: In ''Madoka'', a witch is created when a magical girl falls into despair. In ''The Witch's House'', falling into despair is what causes a witch to lose her immortality.
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* Also, there's a sort of opposite thing for witch's going on: In ''Madoka'', a witch is created when a magical girl falls into despair. In ''The Witch's House'', falling into despair is what causes a witch to lose her immortality.
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* She lost her legs, her eyes, and her voice, and was in immense pain. Really, at this point, it was a blessing.
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* She lost her legs, her eyes, and her voice, and was in immense pain. Really, at this point, it was a blessing.blessing.
[[WMG: The Butterfly is evill]].
* Why else would it need to be saved? Why else would you want to save it?
[[WMG: The Butterfly is evill]].
* Why else would it need to be saved? Why else would you want to save it?
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No idea what her entry fee would be, though...
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No idea what her entry fee would be, though...though...
[[WMG: Viola's father killed Viola as a MercyKill]].
* She lost her legs, her eyes, and her voice, and was in immense pain. Really, at this point, it was a blessing.
[[WMG: Viola's father killed Viola as a MercyKill]].
* She lost her legs, her eyes, and her voice, and was in immense pain. Really, at this point, it was a blessing.
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* Unforetunately, in the psuedo-third ending, if you investigate the spellbooks in the witch's room, Ellen (in Viola's body) will state "it's not so bad to be powerless ''for a while''". This indicates Ellen might get her powers back sooner or later. And considering Ellen also obtained Viola's memories during the body switch and was desperate to be loved, Viola's father might not catch on so quickly after all.
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* Unforetunately, Unfortunately, in the psuedo-third pseudo-third ending, if you investigate the spellbooks in the witch's room, Ellen (in Viola's body) will state "it's not so bad to be powerless ''for a while''". This indicates Ellen might get her powers back sooner or later. And considering Ellen also obtained Viola's memories during the body switch and was desperate to be loved, Viola's father might not catch on so quickly after all.all.
[[WMG: Viola lived, and will get revenge on Ellen.]]
* She was actually ''saved'' by the cat, and given a second chance at getting her vengeance. Although magic is hinted to be a part of Ellen, there's no reason why Viola can't learn about magic and how to use it in a ''witch's house.'' The magic will empower her still-dismembered form and she'll put all her [[GypsyCurse magical effort to ruin the life of Ellen.]]
[[WMG: Viola lived, and will get revenge on Ellen.]]
* She was actually ''saved'' by the cat, and given a second chance at getting her vengeance. Although magic is hinted to be a part of Ellen, there's no reason why Viola can't learn about magic and how to use it in a ''witch's house.'' The magic will empower her still-dismembered form and she'll put all her [[GypsyCurse magical effort to ruin the life of Ellen.]]
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The cat is a reaper for the local game, and took her corpse as a sign of accepting her into the game. It helps that she has status as a [[Determinator determinator.]]
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The cat is a reaper for the local game, and took her corpse as a sign of accepting her into the game. It helps that she has status as a [[Determinator determinator.]]
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* Unforetunately, in the psuedo-third ending, if you investigate the spellbooks in the witch's room, Ellen (in Viola's body) will state "it's not so bad to be powerless ''for a while''". This indicates Ellen might get her powers back sooner or later. And considering Ellen also obtained Viola's memories during the body switch and was desperate to be loved, Viola's father might not catch on so quickly after all.
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* Unforetunately, in the psuedo-third ending, if you investigate the spellbooks in the witch's room, Ellen (in Viola's body) will state "it's not so bad to be powerless ''for a while''". This indicates Ellen might get her powers back sooner or later. And considering Ellen also obtained Viola's memories during the body switch and was desperate to be loved, Viola's father might not catch on so quickly after all.all.
[[WMG: Viola will play the [[TheWorldEndsWithYou Reaper's Game]].]]
The cat is a reaper for the local game, and took her corpse as a sign of accepting her into the game. It helps that she has status as a [[Determinator determinator.]]
No idea what her entry fee would be, though...
[[WMG: Viola will play the [[TheWorldEndsWithYou Reaper's Game]].]]
The cat is a reaper for the local game, and took her corpse as a sign of accepting her into the game. It helps that she has status as a [[Determinator determinator.]]
No idea what her entry fee would be, though...
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* Unforetunately, in the psuedo-third ending, if you investigate the spellbooks in the witch's room, Ellen (in Viola's body) will state "it's not so bad to be powerless '''for a while'''". This indicates Ellen might get her powers back sooner or later. And considering Ellen also obtained Viola's memories during the body switch and was desperate to be loved, Viola's father might not catch on so quickly after all.
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* Unforetunately, in the psuedo-third ending, if you investigate the spellbooks in the witch's room, Ellen (in Viola's body) will state "it's not so bad to be powerless '''for ''for a while'''".while''". This indicates Ellen might get her powers back sooner or later. And considering Ellen also obtained Viola's memories during the body switch and was desperate to be loved, Viola's father might not catch on so quickly after all.
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* Alternatively: the presence of a demon may indicate the presence of a Devil and a God in this setting. Hopefully, Viola is now peacefully in Heaven, while Ellen will have her soul eaten by the "cat" eventually, you know how those things tend to go for people who make [[DealWithTheDevil deals with demons]].
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* Alternatively: the presence of a demon may indicate the presence of a Devil and a God in this setting. Hopefully, Viola is now peacefully in Heaven, while Ellen will have her soul eaten by the "cat" eventually, you know how those things tend to go for people who make [[DealWithTheDevil deals with demons]].demons]].
** Sadly, the Demon could very well have eaten Viola's soul when she was killed...
* Unforetunately, in the psuedo-third ending, if you investigate the spellbooks in the witch's room, Ellen (in Viola's body) will state "it's not so bad to be powerless '''for a while'''". This indicates Ellen might get her powers back sooner or later. And considering Ellen also obtained Viola's memories during the body switch and was desperate to be loved, Viola's father might not catch on so quickly after all.
** Sadly, the Demon could very well have eaten Viola's soul when she was killed...
* Unforetunately, in the psuedo-third ending, if you investigate the spellbooks in the witch's room, Ellen (in Viola's body) will state "it's not so bad to be powerless '''for a while'''". This indicates Ellen might get her powers back sooner or later. And considering Ellen also obtained Viola's memories during the body switch and was desperate to be loved, Viola's father might not catch on so quickly after all.
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[[WMG: The game takes place in an AlternateUniverse of the ''PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' world.]]
There are some similarities going on between PMMM and ''The Witch's House''. For instance, Ellen is a Witch whose domain is very similar to a PMMM Witch Barrier, and the cat is very similar to an Incubator.
[[WMG: Ellen will ''not'' get away scot-free in the end.]]
Seriously, what are the odds that Viola's father won't ''eventually'' realize that his daughter is not actually his daughter? And without supernatural powers to help her (she seems to have lost those when she swapped her body with Viola's), she hopefully will no longer be able to get away with all the murdering she tends to do.
* Alternatively: the presence of a demon may indicate the presence of a Devil and a God in this setting. Hopefully, Viola is now peacefully in Heaven, while Ellen will have her soul eaten by the "cat" eventually, you know how those things tend to go for people who make [[DealWithTheDevil deals with demons]].
There are some similarities going on between PMMM and ''The Witch's House''. For instance, Ellen is a Witch whose domain is very similar to a PMMM Witch Barrier, and the cat is very similar to an Incubator.
[[WMG: Ellen will ''not'' get away scot-free in the end.]]
Seriously, what are the odds that Viola's father won't ''eventually'' realize that his daughter is not actually his daughter? And without supernatural powers to help her (she seems to have lost those when she swapped her body with Viola's), she hopefully will no longer be able to get away with all the murdering she tends to do.
* Alternatively: the presence of a demon may indicate the presence of a Devil and a God in this setting. Hopefully, Viola is now peacefully in Heaven, while Ellen will have her soul eaten by the "cat" eventually, you know how those things tend to go for people who make [[DealWithTheDevil deals with demons]].
