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** The eating of people is 'anthrophagism'. Cannibalism is specifically the eating of one's own species. If the Morloks and Eloi are as genetically different as, say, chimpanzees and bonobos ('Pan troglodytes' and 'Pan paniscus', respectively), then Morloks eating Eloi is not cannibalism regardless of whether or not it is immoral.
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** The eating of people is 'anthrophagism'. Cannibalism is specifically the eating of one's own species. If the Morloks and Eloi are as genetically different as, say, chimpanzees and bonobos ('Pan troglodytes' and 'Pan paniscus', respectively), then Morloks eating Eloi is not cannibalism regardless of whether or not it is immoral.immoral.
[[WMG: The Eloi are vegan pacifists ''because'' of the nuclear war]]
The Eloi have become docile, cattle-like, and lack any kind of ideology, history, or mode of governance. But this was probably no accident but something that was instilled into them by their ancestors.
The talking rings mentioned how some of the survivors stayed above ground. Having lived through a centuries-long nuclear war that left the entire world barren and trashed, these survivors likely developed [[AbusivePrecursors serious contempt for their ancestors who destroyed a world out of ideology]]. To prevent another such war from happening again, the survivors built a society free of ideology, borders, or history, seeing those things lead to wars that were destructive enough to bring humanity to the brink of extinction. Along the way, [[ScienceIsBad abandoned things like industrialization, science, and learning, since so-called "progress" helped create more death and violence]]. They may have even given up farming in favor of orchards that would serve as a common food source for their settlements.
The ancestors of the Eloi created a post-primitive society where everyone would do nothing but play, skip, and enjoy the fruit.
And this worked for a time: war stopped, the biosphere eventually recovered, and society became peaceful and relaxed.
[[HappyEndingOverride However]]...
[[WMG: The pacifism of the Eloi allowed the Morlocks to enslave them]]
The people who fled underground huddled in shelters, thinking the world was too poisonous to recover. However, those shelters weren't capable of supporting a huge chunk of the population. With no food, the survivors descended into cannibalism and Social Darwinist struggle and conflict over who would eat who. Over centuries of this process, the Morlocks were [[ConditionedToAcceptHorror gradually desensitized to eating human flesh]]. Cannibalism went from just being a desperate source of survival to something that was seen as normal.
So when the world's biosphere recovered, the Morlocks eventually returned above ground and found not only a pristine planet but the Eloi, pacifist vegetarians who didn't believe in violence.
In other words, [[ColdEquation the perfect food source]] to their cannibalistic brains. Being the product of a Darwinian struggle, the Morlocks had both the strength and the will to cull the Eloi for a meal.
The Eloi, after living in their supposedly utopian and peaceful society, would lack any real self-preservation instinct nor the ability to recognize a potential threat to survival. Like the [[DoofyDodo dodos of Mauritius]], they weren't exactly dumb, but living in a cozy environment left them without any understanding of what was and what wasn't a threat. Eating only a fruitarian diet devoid of protein likely weakened their physical and cognitive abilities.
Over the millennia, the Morlocks gradually conditioned the Eloi into being their cattle, even using the air sirens as a way to lure them underground in a Pavlovian-style act of conditioning.
[[WMG: The Eloi are vegan pacifists ''because'' of the nuclear war]]
The Eloi have become docile, cattle-like, and lack any kind of ideology, history, or mode of governance. But this was probably no accident but something that was instilled into them by their ancestors.
The talking rings mentioned how some of the survivors stayed above ground. Having lived through a centuries-long nuclear war that left the entire world barren and trashed, these survivors likely developed [[AbusivePrecursors serious contempt for their ancestors who destroyed a world out of ideology]]. To prevent another such war from happening again, the survivors built a society free of ideology, borders, or history, seeing those things lead to wars that were destructive enough to bring humanity to the brink of extinction. Along the way, [[ScienceIsBad abandoned things like industrialization, science, and learning, since so-called "progress" helped create more death and violence]]. They may have even given up farming in favor of orchards that would serve as a common food source for their settlements.
The ancestors of the Eloi created a post-primitive society where everyone would do nothing but play, skip, and enjoy the fruit.
And this worked for a time: war stopped, the biosphere eventually recovered, and society became peaceful and relaxed.
[[HappyEndingOverride However]]...
[[WMG: The pacifism of the Eloi allowed the Morlocks to enslave them]]
The people who fled underground huddled in shelters, thinking the world was too poisonous to recover. However, those shelters weren't capable of supporting a huge chunk of the population. With no food, the survivors descended into cannibalism and Social Darwinist struggle and conflict over who would eat who. Over centuries of this process, the Morlocks were [[ConditionedToAcceptHorror gradually desensitized to eating human flesh]]. Cannibalism went from just being a desperate source of survival to something that was seen as normal.
So when the world's biosphere recovered, the Morlocks eventually returned above ground and found not only a pristine planet but the Eloi, pacifist vegetarians who didn't believe in violence.
In other words, [[ColdEquation the perfect food source]] to their cannibalistic brains. Being the product of a Darwinian struggle, the Morlocks had both the strength and the will to cull the Eloi for a meal.
The Eloi, after living in their supposedly utopian and peaceful society, would lack any real self-preservation instinct nor the ability to recognize a potential threat to survival. Like the [[DoofyDodo dodos of Mauritius]], they weren't exactly dumb, but living in a cozy environment left them without any understanding of what was and what wasn't a threat. Eating only a fruitarian diet devoid of protein likely weakened their physical and cognitive abilities.
Over the millennia, the Morlocks gradually conditioned the Eloi into being their cattle, even using the air sirens as a way to lure them underground in a Pavlovian-style act of conditioning.
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* In a purely scientific sense possibly not (though the difference between the two might be considered more "breeds" than "species," hard to say on the evidence presented). However from a moral standpoint eating another sapient species can be considered cannibalism. The Eloi, while stupid (or possibly just lacking in curiousity) are capable of speech and wear clothing and otherwise have a society, albeit a rudimentary one. So the Morlocks are still killing and eating ''people'' even if they aren't of the same species.
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* In a purely scientific sense possibly not (though the difference between the two might be considered more "breeds" than "species," hard to say on the evidence presented). However from a moral standpoint eating another sapient species can be considered cannibalism. The Eloi, while stupid (or possibly just lacking in curiousity) are capable of speech and wear clothing and otherwise have a society, albeit a rudimentary one. So the Morlocks are still killing and eating ''people'' even if they aren't of the same species.species.
** The eating of people is 'anthrophagism'. Cannibalism is specifically the eating of one's own species. If the Morloks and Eloi are as genetically different as, say, chimpanzees and bonobos ('Pan troglodytes' and 'Pan paniscus', respectively), then Morloks eating Eloi is not cannibalism regardless of whether or not it is immoral.
** The eating of people is 'anthrophagism'. Cannibalism is specifically the eating of one's own species. If the Morloks and Eloi are as genetically different as, say, chimpanzees and bonobos ('Pan troglodytes' and 'Pan paniscus', respectively), then Morloks eating Eloi is not cannibalism regardless of whether or not it is immoral.
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Given phenotype differences (ans the slew of genotype differences that entails) as well as the Eloi's clear lack of cognitive function, can one even call the Morlocks cannibalistic for eating what is pretty clearly a different species?
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Given phenotype differences (ans the slew of genotype differences that entails) as well as the Eloi's clear lack of cognitive function, can one even call the Morlocks cannibalistic for eating what is pretty clearly a different species?species?
* In a purely scientific sense possibly not (though the difference between the two might be considered more "breeds" than "species," hard to say on the evidence presented). However from a moral standpoint eating another sapient species can be considered cannibalism. The Eloi, while stupid (or possibly just lacking in curiousity) are capable of speech and wear clothing and otherwise have a society, albeit a rudimentary one. So the Morlocks are still killing and eating ''people'' even if they aren't of the same species.
* In a purely scientific sense possibly not (though the difference between the two might be considered more "breeds" than "species," hard to say on the evidence presented). However from a moral standpoint eating another sapient species can be considered cannibalism. The Eloi, while stupid (or possibly just lacking in curiousity) are capable of speech and wear clothing and otherwise have a society, albeit a rudimentary one. So the Morlocks are still killing and eating ''people'' even if they aren't of the same species.
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[[WMG: Do the Murlocks even count as cannibals?]]
Given phenotype differences (ans the slew of genotype differences that entails) as well as the Eloi's clear lack of cognitive function, can one even call the Murlocks cannibalistic for eating what is pretty clearly a different species?
Given phenotype differences (ans the slew of genotype differences that entails) as well as the Eloi's clear lack of cognitive function, can one even call the Murlocks cannibalistic for eating what is pretty clearly a different species?
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[[WMG: Do the Murlocks Morlocks even count as cannibals?]]
Given phenotype differences (ans the slew of genotype differences that entails) as well as the Eloi's clear lack of cognitive function, can one even call theMurlocks Morlocks cannibalistic for eating what is pretty clearly a different species?
Given phenotype differences (ans the slew of genotype differences that entails) as well as the Eloi's clear lack of cognitive function, can one even call the
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[[WMG: Do the Murlocks even count as cannibals?]]
Given phenotype differences (ans the slew of genotype differences that entails) as well as the Eloi's clear lack of cognitive function, can one even call the Murlocks cannibalistic for eating what is pretty clearly a different species?
Given phenotype differences (ans the slew of genotype differences that entails) as well as the Eloi's clear lack of cognitive function, can one even call the Murlocks cannibalistic for eating what is pretty clearly a different species?
