History WMG / RobinHood

The characters in ''Maid Marian'' are very different from the characters of similar names in every other version, and the title character is a blonde, bolshy commoner, rather than the traditional dark-haired noblewoman. Kate is a blonde, bolshy commoner. Probably there was a ForWantOfANail sequence of events that led to her getting a different name. Whether this means there are versions of Rabies and Barrington around is still to be determined.

Each season takes place over the course of a year and it's presumed that each of the twelve episodes (the thirteenth is always a two-parter with the twelfth) are a month apart. As such, each monthly episode falls on the day that Kate is having her period. The outlaws [[CreatorsPet shill]] Kate like there's no tomorrow and treat her like a PuritySue, yet the audience never glimpses anything but a perpetually pissed-off JerkassSue who acts like she hates everyone and everything around her (sans Robin). Maybe she was a perfectly nice person for most of the year, but unfortunately each episode just happens to take place on the day that she has good reason to act like a total bitch.

[[WMG: Speculation on other characters in the Robin Hood Mythos]]
If other characters from the Robin Hood myths were used, they would also be other woodland animals. Here are a couple guesses.
* Will Scarlet would be a '''rabbit'''. He might even be Skippy, as they're both younger characters who admires Robin Hood, just like Will Scarlet is often portrayed as. ("Skippy" might be a play on his last name.)
* Much, the Miller's Son would be a '''mouse'''. Much is best known for being as small as Little John is large, and being a mouse would certainly fit that image.
* Will Stutely/Stukely would be a '''raccoon'''. Largely because it would be strange to have a band of thieves portrayed as animals and none of them be [[AnimalStereotypes the classic animal thief]].
* Guy of Gisbourne would be a '''cat'''. See below.

[[WMG: The animated Disney version takes place in the same universe as WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda]]
* They can take place even in the same time period (the animal equivalent of the 12th century), only on different continents.

[[WMG: In [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon the Disney version]], Saladin the Great would be an Orangutan]]
As another nod to ''WesternAnimation/{{The Jungle Book|1967}}'', where Little John is obviously Baloo, Sir Hiss is supposed to be Kaa, the Vultures are similar to the Vultures in that movie, the Elephants looking similar to Indian Elephants instead of African ones, and the Sheriff of Nottingham looking like one of the wolves from ''The Jungle Book'', I believe that Saladin the Great, the Muslim Commander of the 3rd Crusade and the first Sultan of the Ayyubid Dynasty (that ruled Egypt and Syria), would be an Orangutan, and would look similar to King Louis, although I don't think he'd have the same voice.
* Wouldn't a tiger resembling Shere Khan be more fitting?
** I agree that a tiger would be more fitting, since King Richard is a lion, and it would make sense if both armies were led by a big cat. Maybe a Louie-like orangutan could be his advisor / sidekick?

[[WMG: The [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney version]] is the past of ''WesternAnimation/{{Talespin}}'', not ''WesternAnimation/{{The Jungle Book|1967}}'']]
It can't be in the same universe of ''Jungle Book'' because humans exist and animals act more like animals there, while in ''Talespin'' everyone is an anthropomorphic animal and wears clothes.

[[WMG: The [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney version]] is done live action with cartoon actors.]]
[[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Robin Hood]] and ''WesternAnimation/{{The Jungle Book|1967}}'' are both shot "live" in a world similar to [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit Who Framed Roger Rabbit]], where characters like Baloo and Little John, or Kaa and Sir Hiss are the same actor in different movies.

[[WMG: If Guy of Gisbourne had appeared in [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon the Disney version]], he'd have been a cat.]]
It's well-known that elements of Disney's ''WesternAnimation/RobinHood'' were based on ''Reynard the Fox''. Robin is Reynard himself, the Sheriff is Isengrim the Wolf, Richard (or John) is King Leo, Friar Tuck is Grimbard the Badger ("the holy Grimbard, who had always led a hermit's life") and so on. In ''Reynard'', Tibert the Cat is as cunning as Reynard, and while he initially speaks in Reynard's defence, he soon becomes one of his opponents. He is a good choice for Gisbourne, often presented as Robin's EvilCounterpart.

[[WMG: In Disney's ''WesternAnimation/RobinHood'', all the reptilian characters are analogous to people of color, being considered a different "ethnicity" of animal.]]
We only see four reptiles in the movie- Sir Hiss, a crocodile Captain, Toby, and Toby's father. Sir Hiss's background music take some cues from Indian snake charmers, and he takes a ridiculous amount of abuse from Prince John. While the rabbit children play with Toby, they casually make fun of him. If the mammals view the reptiles as a different ethnicity, this explains why Sir Hiss and Toby still hang around- it's much the same everywhere else in Animal England.

[[WMG:Prince John is actually a ''mountain'' lion, and adopted.]]
This is why he has no mane, despite being a male lion.
* Male lions with scanty, almost non-existent manes do exist; they have only tufts of fur around their faces, not unlike the tufts on Prince John's cheeks.

[[WMG:Skippy is actually Robin Hood's illegitimate son.]]
About seven years from the start of the movie, before the widow rabbit married the father of the rest of her children, she and Robin had a fling that resulted in her getting pregnant ([[MST3KMantra Don't ask me how the biology works for this.]]) She couldn't tell him this until recently, after he returned from the Crusades and began his campaign against Prince John's tyranny.

Upon finding out about Skippy, he went to Skippy's birthday party in disguise. So when he says "Happy Birthday, Son!" after Skippy realizes that it's Robin Hood under the beggar's cloak, it's not just the tradition of calling any boy "Son", he actually means it. His line to Skippy's mother "I only wish I could do more" is out of genuine concern for his son's well-being, and as an apology to the widow for not being around to help out sooner.

This is also the real reason why Skippy goes with Robin and Marian at the end of the movie. He's going to live with his biological father.


[[WMG: Alan-a-Dale is Roger Miller with [[Series/TheMuppetShow cluckitis]].]]
In the episode of ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' where Roger Miller (Alan-a-Dale's voice actor) guest stars, most of the Muppets catch "cluckitis," a disease that temporarily turns you into a chicken. Kermit tries to hide the outbreak from Roger, but when Kermit catches it himself, the jig is up. Roger understands, though, and mentions that he had cluckitis once. This episode aired several years after ''Robin Hood'' came out. Roger must have had cluckitis when ''Robin Hood'' was made and that was why he played the part of a rooster.
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As another nod to ''Disney/TheJungleBook'', where Little John is obviously Baloo, Sir Hiss is supposed to be Kaa, the Vultures are similar to the Vultures in that movie, the Elephants looking similar to Indian Elephants instead of African ones, and the Sheriff of Nottingham looking like one of the wolves from ''The Jungle Book'', I believe that Saladin the Great, the Muslim Commander of the 3rd Crusade and the first Sultan of the Ayyubid Dynasty (that ruled Egypt and Syria), would be an Orangutan, and would look similar to King Louis, although I don't think he'd have the same voice.

[[WMG: The [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney version]] is the past of ''WesternAnimation/{{Talespin}}'', not ''Disney/TheJungleBook'']]

[[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Robin Hood]] and ''Disney/TheJungleBook'' are both shot "live" in a world similar to [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit Who Framed Roger Rabbit]], where characters like Baloo and Little John, or Kaa and Sir Hiss are the same actor in different movies.

It's well-known that elements of Disney's ''Disney/RobinHood'' were based on ''Reynard the Fox''. Robin is Reynard himself, the Sheriff is Isengrim the Wolf, Richard (or John) is King Leo, Friar Tuck is Grimbard the Badger ("the holy Grimbard, who had always led a hermit's life") and so on. In ''Reynard'', Tibert the Cat is as cunning as Reynard, and while he initially speaks in Reynard's defence, he soon becomes one of his opponents. He is a good choice for Gisbourne, often presented as Robin's EvilCounterpart.

[[WMG: In Disney's ''Disney/RobinHood'', all the reptilian characters are analogous to people of color, being considered a different "ethnicity" of animal.]]

* This could also explain Archer's GodModeSue qualities (as described in [[Series/RobinHood the main Robin Hood page]]): he's an OC created by Kate, who was trying to make a really cool extra character for her story but went a bit overboard. Or perhaps she was getting tired of Robin at this point and wanted to make Archer [[ReplacementLoveInterest her new love interest]].

Driven mad by the losses incurred during the second season finale, Robin Hood becomes much darker and driven. To distract himself from grim reality, he begins constructing an elaborate fantasy in his head, including a ReplacementLoveInterest: first Isabelle, then Kate. (In 'reality', he may have professed interest in Isabelle, only to be rebuffed, leading to her ''shift in fortunes'', while Kate was either constructed out of whole cloth or is very loosely based on some girl he saw once in town.)

In the episode of ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' where Roger Miller (Alan-a-Dale's voice actor) guest stars, most of the Muppets catch "cluckitis," a disease that temporarily turns you into a chicken. Kermit tries to hide the outbreak from Roger, but when Kermit catches it himself, the jig is up. Roger understands, though, and mentions that he had cluckitis once. This episode aired several years after ''Robin Hood'' came out. Roger must have had cluckitis when ''Robin Hood'' was made and that was why he played the part of a rooster.]]

* A bit of FridgeLogic[=/=]FridgeHorror courtesy of TheCartoonHistoryOfTheUniverse:

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For the [[Series/RobinHood BBC series]] or otherwise.

[[WMG: If Guy of Gisbourne had appeared in [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon the Disney version]], he'd have been a cat.]]

It's well-known that elements of Disney's ''Disney/RobinHood'' were based on ''Reynard the Fox''. Robin is Reynard himself, the Sheriff is Isengrim the Wolf, Richard (or John) is King Leo, Friar Tuck is Grimbard the Badger ("the holy Grimbard, who had always led a hermit's life") and so on. In ''Reynard'', Tibert the Cat is as cunning as Reynard, and while he initially speaks in Reynard's defence, he soon becomes one of his opponents. He is a good choice for Gisbourne, often presented as Robin's EvilCounterpart.

[[WMG: In Disney's ''Disney/RobinHood'', all the reptilian characters are analogous to people of color, being considered a different "ethnicity" of animal.]]
We only see four reptiles in the movie- Sir Hiss, a crocodile Captain, Toby, and Toby's father. Sir Hiss's background music take some cues from Indian snake charmers, and he takes a ridiculous amount of abuse from Prince John. While the rabbit children play with Toby, they casually make fun of him. If the mammals view the reptiles as a different ethnicity, this explains why Sir Hiss and Toby still hang around- it's much the same everywhere else in Animal England.
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As another nod to TheJungleBook, where Little John is obviously Baloo, Sir Hiss is supposed to be Kaa, the Vultures are similar to the Vultures in that movie, the Elephants looking similar to Indian Elephants instead of African ones, and the Sheriff of Nottingham looking like one of the wolves from the Jungle Book, I believe that Saladin the Great, the Muslim Commander of the 3rd Crusade and the first Sultan of the Ayyubid Dynasty (That ruled Egypt and Syria), would be an Orangutan, and would look similar to King Louis, although I don't think he'd have the same voice.

'''Narrator''': I've always wondered how much of the money (that Robin robbed from the rich) went to pay for Richard's ransom...

[[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Robin Hood]] and ''Disney/TheJungleBook'' are both shot "live" in a world similar to [[WhoFramedRogerRabbit Who Framed Roger Rabbit]], where characters like Baloo and Little John, or Kaa and Sir Hiss are the same actor in different movies.

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[[WMG: If Guy of Gisbourne had appeared in [[DisneyAnimatedCanon the Disney version]], he'd have been a cat.]]

[[WMG: In [[DisneyAnimatedCanon the Disney version]], Saladin the Great would be an Orangutan]]

[[WMG: The [[DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney version]] is the past of ''WesternAnimation/{{Talespin}}'', not ''Disney/TheJungleBook'']]

[[WMG: The [[DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney version]] is done live action with cartoon actors.]]
[[DisneyAnimatedCanon Robin Hood]] and ''Disney/TheJungleBook'' are both shot "live" in a world similar to [[WhoFramedRogerRabbit Who Framed Roger Rabbit]], where characters like Baloo and Little John, or Kaa and Sir Hiss are the same actor in different movies.

[[WMG: The [[DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney version]] is the past of ''WesternAnimation{{Talespin}}'', not ''Disney/TheJungleBook'']]

As another nod to TheJungleBook, where Little John is obviously Baloo and Sir Hiss is supposed to be Kaa, Saladin the Great, the Muslim Commander of the 3rd Crusade and the first Sultan of the Ayyubid Dynasty (That ruled Egypt and Syria), would be an Orangutan, and would look similar to King Louis.

** This troper thinks JossWhedon got the measure of Robin Hood in ''[[{{Firefly}} Jaynestown]]''; he robbed from the rich because they were worth robbing, and gave to the poor once or twice when he had to make a fast getaway.

[[WMG: The animated Disney version takes place in the same universe as KungFuPanda]]