History WMG / RiseOfTheGuardians

* ...is Emma. She would later become a [[Franchise/XMen mutant]].

*** Then again, you wouldn't think WesternAnimation/BugsBunny and MickeyMouse would ever share a screen, [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit but they have]] (granted as a cameo with restrictions from the studios, but it still happened).

Works, if only because, like North, Touko used [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matryoshka_doll Matryoshka Dolls]] to explain Origin in the seventh ''LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners'' movie.

* Either Lady Liberty or Uncle Sam for the Fourth of July (Obviously with a limited area of influence)

* TheKrampus. Someone needs to fill in the void Pitch's fall from grace left, and it might as well be [[BadSanta Santa's naughty list enforcer]]. Considering that in the book! continuity the Easter Bunny is a [[TheFairFolk phooka]], the Krampus of RotG is probably a [[FaunsandSatyrs faun]] that wandered north as a child to the Alps from Italy, got found by North, and subsequently was adopted as North's younger brother of sorts. Has a particular vendetta against bullies due to his appearance, but is more focused on teaching children lessons than out-and-out scaring them into submission as Pitch was wont to do. Wears chains and bells as a fashion statement.

If you think about it, a lot of his plans seemed like diversionary tactics. He barely engages the Guardians until the fight with Sandman. Why? Because he needed to take Sandman out first and foremost. He draws power from corrupting the dreams of children, dreams that would normally be under the protection of Sandman. But when North calls the meeting Sandman is distracted from his duties and unless he can control the sand telepathically, the children's dreams are mostly left unguarded. Pitch takes this as an opportunity to destroy as many dreams as possible, becoming stronger. By the time he actually confronts Sandman, he's strong enough to attack and eventually defeat his enemy. Yeah, getting children to stop believing in the Tooth Fairy was part of his plan too, but he also knew that the Guardians look out for each other and the longer time Sandman spent helping Tooth instead of attending to his dream duties, the stronger Pitch could become. With Sandman out of the way, the Guardians were suddenly much, much weaker and Pitch had an easier goal to reach.

* Partly Jossed. In the books, he became Pitch Black because [[spoiler: he was tricked into opening a prison of Shadows and Fearlings when they imitated his daughter's voice.]] After that, he pretty much went on an evil rampage. Of course, this doesn't mean that he doesn't try to use his powers for good after the books end, but ends up snapping as stated above.

-Bloody Mary...The spectre that appears in the mirror when the name is called

Only they're bigger and duller colored.

That's why he had a crook with him when he saved his sister and why he continues to use one. He connects the shepherd's crook with keeping others from danger.

* As stated in his WMG page, [[Series/Barney&Friends Barney]] used to be the Guardian of Imagination, but he decided that he wasn't cut out for the position. So, he talked to the others and they agreed to give the title to Mother Goose while he left to do his own thing.

Jack has different magic and abilities from the Guardians, has a different ideology (playing with kids up close rather than watching over from afar) and doesn't require belief, meaning that Pitch can't take it away. And even if Jack did have belief, Pitch would have no way to make kids stop believing in Winter, so Jack couldn't be attacked the way Pitch attacked the Guardians. Just like Pitch said, the Man in the Moon knew that Pitch would come back to attack the Guardians and so made a new Guardian, Jack, specifically to be something that Pitch had never encountered before, and thus hadn't planned for. Pitch had long term, made in advance plans for Sandy, Tooth and Bunny, but not Jack, because he didn't know Jack would be with the Guardians.

The reason he doesn't remember is because he died. The Man in the Moon doesn't know Jack doesn't remember, but the memories were Jack's toll for returning to life. His old life for the new. EquivalentExchange.
[[WMG: The Guardians can remove their own magic from themselves.]]

[[WMG: Pitch and Sandy controls the irrational aspects of dreams and fear.]]

She's shown to be very affectionate, not just with Jack, but with everyone else. It's in her nature to be bubbly and spontaneous, which would explain the hugs. She goes all dreamy because of his teeth, not because of him. The reason that she blushes in the last hugging scene is because for the first time, she realizes that Jack, unlike the rest of the Guardians, is not old, or a bunny, or a little boy. (Despite Sandman's name, he very much acts like a little boy.) She's not in love with him--she jumps back because she's embarrassed and thinks that her behavior might be misconstrued.

[[WMG:Jack's sister's name…]]

* Jossed. William Joyce, author of the books, was involved with the movie and in the books, Bunnymund was a Pooka.

** While I (Yet another third party) agree that there are alot of differences between book and movie, Tooth’s statement about all of them being ''mortal'' doesn't necessarily mean they were all once ''human'' (Or a species we are familiar with as would be the case with the bunny vs. pooka debate)
** (Second poster again) Tooth specifically says that they were all "someone", which doesn't have to mean mortal. Also, the movie is intended to be in the same canon as the books, and not a different universe. It helps that the supplemental material was mostly created by the artists, and artist intrepretation has, in the past, contradicted WordOfGod.

Note: Since this WMG refers to titles used in the movies, it has been placed here and not in the Literature/TheGuardiansOfChildhood page.

Specifically, Nasu-style non-legended Guardians who found a way to summon each other as Servants (but no Masters; no Command Seals) and are powering themselves through the faith in the "fictional" exploits of a tale; which [[BecomingTheMask become their selves]]. A Servant cannot specifically summon a Heroic Spirit's soul; but they can get someone "fictional", someone who has features close to the legend. The Movie Guardians found a loophole; they find a soul with features similar to the legend first; and then grant the fictional Persona to them. This knocks their memories into a foci object; but the amnesia helps with the transition process.

His sister was. After all, Jack managed to carry her back home and (attempted) to place her in her bed. Every other human just passed right through him. Granted, she was mostly asleep by that point, but that still shouldn't have worked if she didn't at least believe in him a little. Considering the fact she's a toddler (an age where kids will believe in everything and anything), was outside when her mom mentioned "Jack Frost nipping at your nose," and might have been awake just enough to hear one of the Guardians mention Jack taking her home, then it is possible she simply believed that he would be the one carrying her. Jack simply didn't notice the fact she believed in him and could thus touch him because he's been interacting with people he could touch all day (the Guardians and Pitch) and she was too tired to actually react to his presence in a more noticeable way like looking at him or talking to him.

On the main page, it is said that the movie's background of Pitch was him originally being a Guardian that used nightmares as a benevolent warning to children rather than simply a fear mongering tactic, which contradicts his background in the books of him being infected by the nightmares he was guarding in their prison. What if both versions are true? What if Pitch got his powers by the means described in the books, but instead of going straight to evil fear mongering nightmare king, he tried to use said powers for good for a while, and ''then'' got overwhelmed by them.
* Probably not, considering he arrived on Earth ''after'' getting overwhelmed. Most likely, considering what happened in the third book, he became willing to use his powers for good after the books, but became too good at his job so the Man in the Moon asked the Guardians to put him in his place. This led to him not being believed in and swearing revenge.

Because there has to be other Legendary characters running around that could have been chosen instead of Jack Frost. These could include:

** [[spoiler:She's Pitch's daughter, and made an appearance in the third book.]]

*** So maybe he wasn't Guardian material for that reason, but he might still exist as some kind of spirit like Jack was prior to becoming a Guardian.

*** Or La Calavera Catrina (The Elegent Skull) since she is an icon for the holiday Day of The dead, set around the same time as Halloween (either one could be a spirit of Autumn)

*** Jack Skellington, while as fun as it sounds. Would never happen. Since one is Touchstone (Owned by Disney) and the other is Dreamworks (Massive rival)
*** Then again, you wouldn't think WesternAnimation/BugsBunny and MickeyMouse would ever share a screen together, [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit but they have]] (granted as a cameo with restrictions from the studios, but it still happened).

* The Turkey for Thanksgiving (again, limited area of influence).
* As shown in the movie, the European Tooth Division, made of mice, working for or with the Tooth Fairy.
* The Fairy Godmother. What better person to be a guardian then someone who is famous for bringing lost love and comfort to lonely children?

* Guy Fawkes. Although what exactly he'd be guarding is a bit of a mystery, but if Uncle Sam and the Thanksgiving Turkey get a spot then he so should he.

* Batman is not a Guardian, but a local spirit confined to Gotham. He forms a symbiotic relationship with a human successor when the previous Batman cannot continue. He does not get along with Pitch because he refuses to scare children. He does not get along with Guardians because they are adults and he frightens them.

* If there is an European Tooth Division, what about an European Christmas Devision? Christkind, the Yule Lads and Saint Nicholas himself could be working with North.
* Mother Hulda/Frau Holle a grandmotherly fairy or wise old woman type of being. She could be a spirit of household chores, magic or snow.

* TheKrampus. Someone needs to fill in the void Pitch's fall from grace left, and it might as well be [[BadSanta Santa's naughty list enforcer]]. Considering that in book!continuity the Easter Bunny is a [[TheFairFolk phooka]], the Krampus of RotG is probably a [[FaunsandSatyrs faun]] that wandered north as a child to the Alps from Italy, got found by North, and subsequently was adopted as North's younger brother of sorts. Has a particular vendetta against bullies due to his appearance, but more focused on teaching children lessons than out-and-out scaring them into submission as Pitch was wont to do. Wears chains and bells as a fashion statement.
* [[Anime/MyNeighborTotoro Totoro]]. He could be the Guardian of Innocence or something.

[[WMG: There are people who are allies to the Guardians]]
Thinking that there are adults who either believed in and saw the Guardians as children and never really stopped believing. They work to help protect children's sense of hope, wonder and magic via more mundane means. Notable potential allies include;

*** Don't forget Jesse Owens his performance in the Olympics causes hope and wonder to this very day

* I like to think that I am an ally to the Guardians, since I made a couple of Website/YouTube videos about possible Guardians.

Before Jack, there was already a spirit of winter, but instead of [[spoiler: winter fun]], he was the personification of biting cold. Literally. His schtick was that the sharp feeling you get, "Jack Frost nipping at your [nose/toes/whatever]", is him or his fairy/yeti/sand equivalent biting you, and taking not pieces of flesh, but pieces of warmth and life. He got sick of [[WhoWantsToLiveForever life]] or [[BeingEvilSucks being vilified]], and gave up his powers and his existence. Now all that's left of him are Jack's powers and possibly a footnote in a textbook or two about extinct folklore.

If you think about it, a lot of his plan seemed like diversionary tactics. He barely engages the Guardians until the fight with Sandman. Why? Because he needed to take Sandman out first and foremost. He draws power from corrupting the dreams of children, dreams that would normally be under the protection of Sandman. But when North calls the meeting Sandman is distracted from his duties and unless he can control the sand telepathically, the children's dreams are mostly left unguarded. Pitch takes this as an opportunity to destroy as many dreams as possible, becoming stronger. By the time he actually confronts Sandman, he's strong enough to attack and eventually defeat his enemy. Yeah, getting children to stop believing in the Tooth Fairy was part of his plan too, but he also knew that the Guardians look out for each other and the longer time Sandman spent helping Tooth instead of attending to his dream duties, the stronger Pitch could become. With Sandman out of the way, the Guardians were suddenly much, much weaker and Pitch had an easier goal to reach.

Pitch's lair is right next to the pond and the ice cracking caused a lot of fear for [[spoiler: her]]. Maybe he wanted to kick off his army with a fearling but [[spoiler: human!Jack]] unknowingly ruined his plans by [[spoiler: almost literally laughing in the face of death]]?

* Partly jossed. In the books, he became Pitch Black because [[spoiler: he was tricked into opening a prison of Shadows and Fearlings when they imitated his daughter's voice.]] After that he pretty much went on an evil rampage. Of course, this doesn't mean that he doesn't try to use his powers for good after the books end, but ends up snapping as stated above.

* Tooth is not human, her skin is naturally that color. Her species [[spoiler: The Sister's of Flight]] look exactly the same, as she does. Also, she is not vaguely Indian, she is Southeast Asian. Joyce has not stated her precise race.

Following the train of logic that the film takes place 200 years after the novels, and we know Bunnymund restrains himself from indulging on chocolate because it affects his species in very unsual and unstable ways. After all their adventures together, the slow build up of chocolate in his system has caused Bunnymund to give into his more primal urges, and as a result more human. Therefore this version of Bunnymund is not nearly as reserved and distant; he's brash, wears his emotions on his sleeves and unlike the books, Bunny does not talk down to North and the others, not placing himself on a pedastal above humanity (although he's already showing signs of toning that down in the books as well). And as for the grey fur, much like North, Bunny is getting along in his old age.

[[WMG: Legendary terrors were people recruited by Pitch to become his own Anti-Guardians.]]
Pitch has tried to counter the Man in the Moon and his Guardians by putting together his own team of Guardians, or Anti-Guardians, a Legion of Doom who will one day do battle with the Guardians if they havent already done so. The Anti-Guardians were once mortals who were hand-picked by pitch because they were the biggest Child Haters of their time, and were happy to carry out his work of spreading fear to children.

The Anti Guardian roster:

-Baba Yaga.... arguably the orginal Wicked Witch.

-Bloody Mary....Spectre that appears in mirror when name is called

[[WMG:Jack's center being fun is why he didn't snap due to isolation]]
In real life, people who undergo isolation for extended periods for a long do not wind up just fine enough some help after the isolation ends.

[[WMG: Sandy is actually the strongest of The Guardians.]]

The reason being is that he gets his power not from belief in The Sandman, but belief in the dreams themselves, and there is nothing people cherish more than their dreams. This is why he is able to defeat Pitch so easily when fully-powered.

They both have a similar premise -- fictitious characters [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve coming to life because of children's belief]] -- and both have a group of characters who defend the world from evil characters. The only reason the two series haven't been shown as crossing over is because two different companies own them.

Origin is, according to Type-Moon wiki, "the starting point that defines one's existence and directs one's actions throughout life. It is the driving force from the inside of Akasha that managed to stream out of the Source and take material form. These actions are more along the lines of an inherent compulsion that could be called a person's instinct rather than a conscious decision."

Conclusion? Sometime before the end of the novel series, the Guardians will figure out how to separate Kozmotis Pitchiner from the Fearlings that devoured him. Pitchiner gets returned to his daughter, while some remnant of the creature he used to be (possibly powered by corrupted dream-sand) takes on the names "Pitch Black" and "The Boogieman" continues on as a separate entity. Without Pitchiner and the Fearlings, he no longer has the power he once wielded, and the Guardians are able to reasonably assume he won't prove a threat once the Dark Ages end. It then takes him 300+ years to find a new source of power and try to take his revenge, which is where the movie picks up.

Jack clearly knows the other guardians before joining them

* Tooth gets too sick to do the job she loves, Bunny becomes [[spoiler: cute, but absolutely useless]], and North's old age catches up with him. With Jack, he becomes unseen again, or maybe even[[spoiler: turns back into a freezing corpse, maybe even going so far as actually dying.]]

The differences between movie!characters and book!characters is simple. Belief.

What if their life-force was preserved by the sheer force of the belief towards them? The belief would cause their appearances to change (since most kids only ever hear stories, so they wouldn't know what they looked like), and would explain why no belief could kill them. It would end their extended lives.

I haven't read the books yet, but i've read enough about them to know that he started out as a good man. Suppose that deep down, the person Pitchiner used to be was horrified by what he had become and wanted to be stopped. That would explain why, after breaking Jack's staff, Pitch tossed it into the same crevice Jack had landed in. He knew Jack would be able to fix it without too much trouble and subconsciously wanted Jack to fix it and come after him again.

[[WMG: The real reason Jack is not considered Guardian material is because he endangers children.]]
The Guardians of Childhood are all about protecting children. With Jack Frost you get snow days, but you also get freak blizzards and snowstorms. Children and the elderly are the most vulnerable to cold, and access to proper heating has not been available until relatively recently. It's quite possible in Jack's 300 years as a spirit he has made children get sick or die of hypothermia. Jack tops North's naughty list, after all. It's quite possible it is due to Jack recklessly endangering children's lives.

... is because Nightlight wore them. Prior to the movie, something happened to Nightlight but the elves couldn’t comprehend that, so they think Jack is Nightlight but missing his shoes. So they make shoes for him to replace his missing ones, but they don’t understand Jack isn’t Nightlight, that Nightlight’s gone.
* [[spoiler:According to the latest storybook for the Guardians of Childhood, Jack is Nightlight.]]

[[WMG: Jack and his sister are the children, or at least decedents of Nightlight and Katherine.]]

* [[spoiler:Potentially Jossed as of the latest picture book, where Jack is Nightlight.]]

One thing that's noticeable is that the modus operandi of both whatever corrupted the Fearlings/Pitch and the Nightmare Forces/Nightmare Moon and [[spoiler:Nightmare Rarity]] is of corruption of good creatures (the Fearlings and nightmare creatures are evil-ified children and moon denizens, respectively), powers over darkness, and exploitation of their enemies' deepest fears and/or desires.

The evil forces even have a kind of hierarchy as well--in order to get anything done, the now-corrupted creatures seem to actively seek out someone to make their ruler and leader. This ruler is seen to have been duped/manipulated into the job when the force takes advantage of their own flaws & weaknesses...whether they be man or pony. Then the dominant spirit of evil enters and takes over the body and mind of the prospective ruler, basically turning them into its avatar--be it Pitch or Nightmare Moon/[[spoiler:Nightmare Rarity]]. This dominant spirit may even be one and the same, being genderless until it inhabits an avatar...and as a result acts a bit differently depending on the original host's personality. To put the icing on the cake, Pitch and [[spoiler: Nightmare Rarity]] were both defeated when the protagonists used the power of good memories to restore the faith of children everywhere in the former and [[spoiler: Rarity's faith in herself]] in the latter, leading to the avatar's ultimate defeat. And finally, Pitch threatens his return with AsLongAsThereIsEvil...while after her first defeat inhabiting Luna, Nightmare Moon ''does'' return in the comics [[spoiler: inhabiting Rarity]].

The incredible similarity of all this can ''not'' be just a coincidence, people. This may also explain Pitch's BondVillainStupidity as well, since Pitchiner is by now just a prisoner in his own body trying to escape or at the very least staunch Pitch's evil.

Both are 6'3 rabbits, but are actually Pookas, and are invisible to mortals except those who believe in them.

[[WMG: Manny isn’t really a case of GoodIsNotNice]]
He is actually just a ShrinkingViolet who’s [[IndyPloy winging the whole thing]]. He considered Jack’s origins to be an AwfulTruth and didn’t know how to tell him.

We never see him as younger than a young teen, and while they might have been skipped over, there might be more to it. [[spoiler:Especially as considering in the latest picture books, he's really the immortal Guardian, Nightlight.]]

[[WMG: Angie is the long lost sister of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Santa's Little Helper]]]]
A litter of greyhounds was born on Christmas Day and were all given Christmas themed names. One was named Angels We Have Heard On High, or "Angie" for short. Like SLH, Angie was also made a racing hound, that's why she reacted so strongly to hearing a bell and seeing a rabbit. Like SLH, she also was abandoned by her owner once she started slowing down but was luckily taken in by a nice family. Their siblings, Mistletoe Kiss and Gingerbread Man, are still racing. Hopefully, they will find someone to care for them when their race days are over.
[[WMG:Cupcake is the daughter of Ares from Percy Jackson.]]
It makes sense, seeing a daughters of Ares are described as very masculine looking with some anger issues. Cupcake has most of these traits, so it would figure that she could be a daughter of Ares.

The Guardians return to fragile simple forms upon losing their magic. Bunnymund turns into a small rabbit, Tooth can't fly and North loses his strength and resemble s his age. So it makes sense that Jack would return to the state he was before he was chosen, that of a drowned victim.

They have no power over daydreams and [[AdultFear Adult Fears]].

[[WMG: Angie is the long lost sister of [[TheSimpsons Santa's Little Helper]]]]