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** For [[KatanasAreJustBetter The Swordsman]], make that one a woman, but a YamatoNadeshiko [[SilkHidingSteel with a]] [[{{Yandere}} mean streak]]. She got sent to reform school to be taught manners because of her corrupt Yakuza father, but she secretly holds an OedipusComplex (referred to as "Electra Complex" by Jung) like no other person, and the Yakuza father wants to ''correct'' that.

[[WMG:[[VideoGame/Persona4 Naoto]] will be the [[BonusBoss Ultimate Opponent]].]]

[[WMG:Yu Narukami will be a BonusBoss.]]

* Well, [[CrossdressingVoice he]] certainly believes [[BalefulPolymorph to have been a human once]].

* Labrys: Her story would be about finding he IllGirl she and Aigis were based off of.

* Oh man, This troper hopes that's true, even more so that means we might get Personae based on Journey to the West, specifically Sun Wukong/Son Goku or a social link because {{Everythings Better With Monkeys}}

* [[Franchise/SherlockHolmes Irene Adler]] - Strength

* As an addendum to the above, given the theme of the [[Literature/ArseneLupin protagonist's Persona]], the Detective character will have a Persona based on SherlockHolmes.

[[WMG:SherlockHolmes will be an enemy's Persona.]]

** Morgana's VA is confirmed as Creator/CassandraLee

* Jossed. The only player character whose shadow we see is Futaba, and that one is still as antagonistic as ever. The other shadows, meanwhile, [are even ''[[FromBadToWorse worse]]''.
** [ [[spoiler:Un-jossed. Shadow Futaba is th first non-hostile Shadow in the seroes, merging with her counterpart to beat the actual Sphix.]]

* [[spoiler:Corect. Goro's the Mole, but his (initial) persona is Robin Hood.]]

...Ann(who's the Lovers Confidant) and whoever becomes the Aeon arcana if they rerelease the game. In the third game, Yukari (Lovers), and Aigis (whose Persona is Chariot but whose Social Link is Aeon) have this role, and in the fourth game, this happens with Rise (Lovers)and Marie (Aeon), so you might notice a pattern here.

[[WMG:[[VideoGame/{{Persona2}} Tatsuya Suou]] or [[VideoGame/{{Persona}} Naoya Toudou]] will be the new MC's father]]

All the {{Bigger Bad}}s and Final Bosses have been taken from the games respective mythological motifs and were either bad from the start (Nylarthotep) or were neutral but saddled with AdaptationalVillainy (Izamani). However since the motif is not mythology but Theives (or maybe the book Literature/ArseneLupin and its adaptations), because its parent series is known for its OrderVersusChaos themes, the FinalBoss will be a perversion of a well known cop.

This is the conclusion I've made between the connections between the second teaser and gameplay trailer. The end of the second teaser shows the Protagonist seeing his shadow turn into his persona, which is what we see in the end of the gameplay trailer
* Doesn't seem so, one of the screenshots shows Arsene and MC at the same time, but they ARE connected with a chain.....hmmmmm.

We already know that the P5 is influenced by it (since its been confirmed that Arsene is the protagonist's persona), but there are already other similarities evident.
Assuming that the protagonist is going to a Reform school, it would mean that he has had some kind of run in with the law, and coincidentally the first story of Arsene lupin was called "The arrest of Arsene Lupin" . So it would probably be no surprise that other stories will be similar to the plot of P5.

[[WMG:This game would also have a sad/bittersweet ending like the other Persona games except for the first one]]
* ''Persona 4'' didn't.
** Okay maybe ''Persona 4'' wasn't totally sad, but the goodbye was really sad. Yes the protagonist can come back but that didn't make the goodbye/ending any less sad/emotional.


[[WMG:The school setting is going to a reform school in title only]]

[[WMG:Speculation about the ending]]

** In Persona 3, Nyx and Erebus were only antagonistic forces because people in society wished for death, rather than adapting to life and Japanese society as it was. Several characters were having problems in their Social Links that, it turned out, could only be solved by accepting what society wanted from them and putting aside what they wanted (Mamoru, for example, was angry about his father's death costing him his chances at being a star athlete, but eventually had to take a factory job anyway, Bunkichi and Mitsuko eventually resolved to let their treasured tree be cut down, Keisuke eventually resolved to become a doctor like his father wanted, Bebe decides to return home to France, etc.).
** Persona 4's theme was "reaching out for the truth", but with a few exceptions (the most notable being Ayane, whose social link ends with her deciding to go after her dreams with gusto), the "truth" always turned out to be "the way things are" and what society wanted anyway. Rise went back to being an idol, Yukiko decided to take over her family's inn, Yosuke decided he liked the town and his Junes job after all, Yumi drops out of the drama club and forgives her father for walking out on her and her mother, etc. Meanwhile, Persona 4 Golden added a social link for [[spoiler:Adachi]] where you could [[spoiler:become Adachi's accomplice]], and he all but spells out the Persona creators' opinion that [[spoiler:if you refuse to listen to the voices of society, you'll eventually end up a criminal like Adachi himself, which Adachi explains if you burn the evidence pointing to him]].
** So with all of this in mind, the tagline for Persona 5 is "You're a slave, want emancipation?", but as with the previous two games, the plot twists will reveal that nothing is wrong with society and nothing is wrong with "the way things are", the problem is all in the characters' heads, so by ''not'' challenging "the way things are", true "emancipation" will be achieved.

* Personally, I think you're off about the themes in P3 and P4. P4 was about being honest with yourself (I think a good counterargument is Kanji, since his problem is about how he doesn't want to be seen as a stereotype) and also not believing every bullshit thing you see on TV. P3 also had personal sacrifice as it's theme since the elderly couple didn't want to disrupt the school over a tree and Mamoru at least wants to work so his siblings can have the opportunity he didn't get to have. Doing otherwise would seem selfish.
* I find this theory depressingly plausible. I can't tell if it's because of ValuesDissonance in Western and Japanese views or simply because of the more pragmatic reasoning of "you can't change other people's behaviour -- you can only change your own," but the onus is always on the characters -- particularly the young ones -- to find a way to work around injustice without disrupting the status quo too much. Look at Eri in P4 - her new husband ''failed to mention the existence of his son'' until the last minute, then swanned off abroad on his own business, ditching her with the care of a child she had no idea how to look after, without making any attempt to foster any connection between his wife and son. Is her link about learning self-esteem and self-determination, clearly communicating her needs and dissatisfaction to her husband while making sure that Yuuta isn't caught in the crossfire? Nope! - life will be so much easier if you just unlock your latent potential as a mother and housewife, otherwise we might get messy things like divorce. A few characters ''do'' find freedom in some way (such as Shu and Hisano), but I find it difficult to believe that P5 is really going to go for "yes, sometimes society and those in authority ''are'' wrong, and you must take action against them." I think a more likely outcome is that the Phantom Thieves discover that they've been doing more harm than good by stealing people's hearts, and have to undo the damage...which is particularly grating, since judging from what we know so far, these kids have faced more serious injustices than "people are gossiping behind my back" (which is unpleasant and unfair enough as it is). "Be nice to people so that they change their opinion of you!" doesn't wash if you've been wrongfully arrested on the say-so of a man guilty of assault, or are being stalked by someone in a position of trust. On the other hand, they could surprise us and form a thematic evolutionary chain: P3'S "Self sacrifice is necessary" -> P4's "Look for the happiness in your current circumstances" -> P5'S "Screw it -- if you hate your circumstances, change them."
** I find that P5 will be walking on a very dangerous line, on one end they could end up with the scenario that they where wrong all the time and society was right despite reason stating otherwise, or it could end up the opposite where the protagonists are always portrayed as being in the right no matter what, turning the whole story into nothing more than an escapism fantasy.

* I'll be the contrarian here; I think this WMG is going to be completely and 100% wrong for one main reason; given how ''Persona 5'' is going the route of having the corruption be within the ''government'' itself, I ''strongly doubt'' that the theme's gonna be something along the lines of "oh, just leave those poor authority figures alone". Hell, ''Persona 2'' dealt with corrupt authority figures by actually killing them off (and then magically resurrecting them into far more pleasant individuals). Heck, the fact the one of the Conspirators starts off as someone who ''doesn't'' want to mess with the privileged class makes me think they're going a somewhat different route this time around, especially since the game's clearly been already putting its own twist on the P3/4 formula in other regards.

* Played with. The Thieves ''are'' stealing things, but they can't kill their targets or they'll die in the real world. [[spoiler:One target ends up killed,]] but the detective rival does not believe the Phantom Thieves did it. [[spoiler:Mainly because the detective was was the one who killed him.]]

[[WMG:The main characters will be [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly the bad guys]]]]

* A new character has the Necronomicon as a Persona, and the main character has new code name: Joker. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it's a RedHerring, but anyone who played Persona 2 should be very concerned about our main cast.

[[WMG:The MC is [[VideoGame/{{Persona4}} Naoki Konishi]]]]

** Frankly, this troper just likes to consider the possibility, as he felt Naoki deserved a bigger role in Persona 4.

* '''Naoya's Scenario:'''If Naoya marries Eriko Kirishima, both parents will have taught their kid how to fight and will still be able to use their personae. The two may even join your party early on a give you ATasteOfPower, but [[PutOnABus they will probably be taken out somehow,]] do to either transferring their power to their kid or getting injured at a major interval to set up the villain. This scenario could work out with Maki as well- it doesn't really matter either way.

In Ultimax, Sho did [[spoiler:RefusedTheCall to become a guest]]
** Weirdly probable: Save for hair color and scar, they look unusually similar, The opening line of the lyric version of the theme is "Who am I?", the latest trailer ends with Igor stating that it's time to start someone's (presumably the protag's) rehabilitation. What could be the case is that Igor saw wild card potential in Sho, but he was so hung up about his past and awful actions that Igor wiped his memories clean and removed the scar (a very identifying feature that was probably gained in a traumatic memory, so could serve as a trigger unless removed). He then set him loose to see if he could be someone great like the previous protags.

* Don't forget that Naoto is already a detective, as the below WMGs state.

[[WMG:[[VideoGame/Persona4 Naoto]] will be the [[BonusBoss Ultimate Opponent]] ]]

** {{Jossed}}; Naoto is nowhere to be found in P5.

[[WMG:Yu Narukami will be a BonusBoss]]
The Protagonist's class will go to Inaba for a school trip where he'll meet a teenage Nanako. She will tell him that he and her "big bro" are a lot alike and would want to introduce them. She leads him to Junes and pushes him into the TV world, heavily implying that she learned about it and Personas. [[AwesomeBosses/VideoGames The Protagonist and Yu duke it out, throwing their multiple Personas at each other]]. After beating Yu, the Protagonist will be rewarded with an overpowered-Izanagi in a passing the torch moment.
* Alternately, since Yu's from Tokyo originally, he could be living there again and take it upon himself to test the new Persona users.
** {{Jossed}}

[[WMG:Labrys and Sho from Persona 4 Arena will be party members, and the main human enemies of this game will be the "Public Safety" group from Ultimax]]

[[WMG:The P5 protag is actually Vincent from Catherine]]

[[WMG:Persona 5 is related to Elizabeth and the Persona 3 Protagonist]]

** [[{{Jossed}} Nope]]

* Nope. It's [[spoiler:Satanael]].

* Protagonist - Arsene(we know about this one already). Wind-elemental?

* Morgana - Zorro(has the rapier and Z on its belt). Lightning-elemental?

Fox/Inari: Death, Hanged Man, or Temperance (Due to being the only member barring Morgana, Navi and presumably the 9th member that attends a public high school in honors.)

Noir: Maybe Empress or Moon? (Mostly her aloof and distant attitude toward others yet her excellent and reminded communication skills)

*** Judgment is for Sae, which is first advanced in June, [[spoiler:but only completed after you get on the path to the true ending]]

[[WMG:The name of one of the party members will start with Yu- and will wear a sweater/cardigan for their token NonuniformUniform]]

[[WMG:One of the main characters/companions will have a fox motif]]

*** [[spoiler:And ironically enough, he's actually Lawful Evil]].

[[WMG:The Protagonist attends a reform school]]

[[WMG:The main party's delinquent life style granted them with their Personas]]

[[WMG:The main party's costumes are meant to symbolize their connection with their Persona/Shadow]]

** Semi-Confirmed; he does utter a word or two occasionally, but he's definitely not fully voiced

[[WMG:There will either be 5 playable characters or we will still have a Navigator to help us in battle]]

* MC: FragileSpeedster (due to knives and pistols, both usually speedy weapons in [=RPGs=]). Main element: [[BlowYouAway Wind.]] (Due to his Persona's wings and the generally speed motif of the wind element, also would be different from P3 Hero [Fire] and P4 Hero [Thunder])

* Ryuji: Obviously more physically inclined due to using pipes. [[ShortRangeShotgun Shotguns also tend to be the most "melee-like" gun in videogames.]] Seems to have the highest HP of the initial party based on trailers, so probably more like Junpei than [[FragileSpeedster Yosuke]]. Main element: [[ShockAndAwe Thunder.]] (Yellow hair and use of loud, "brute force" weapons like Shotguns. Previous Magician Arcana characters were Fire and Wind.)

* Anzu/Anne: Definately some form of primary magic user due to having the highest SP of the four (by far) in trailers. Possibly TheMedic, or could just be a BlackMage. Whips likely won't be powerful but will be accurate and fast. Main element: Ice? (We already have Wind and Fire using [[TheMedic Medics]], though Ice sounds too similar to Mitsuru.)

[[WMG:The main characters are orphans]]
It's outright stated here [[http://www.siliconera.com/2015/02/09/persona-5s-protagonists-problems/ in this article]] that the three characters have [[YouCantGoHomeAgain lost their homes.]]

** Seemingly confirmed. Anzu (Anne?) is a whip-wielding combatant who, like the rest of the main characters, [[PhantomThief is a]] ''[[PhantomThief major]]'' [[PhantomThief delinquent.]]
* A huge, intimidating rugby player in Senior Year with an Emperor Persona...who acts as the navigator. He could be the TeamDad and help keep the group together. I'm not sure what his issues would be; maybe he felt like everyone was expecting him to do something macho because of his huge frame, and he would rather give rugby up if it weren't for his fears of being seen as a wimp, a coward, or a flaker.

*** There's also [[HeroAntagonist Goro]] who [[SixthRanger joins you later on]], [[spoiler:but he's a major asshole in reality]].

[[WMG:The MC is a descendant of [[DevilSummonerRaidouKuzunoha Raidou Kuzunoha]]]]

[[WMG:One of the characters is a Persona-wielding superhero]]

[[WMG:There will be a total of five members of the Phantom's crew]]
* And they will be known as the [[PunnyName Persona Five]]

** [[spoiler:One of your cooperators was previously involved in spreading rumours about the Protagonist, but that's the entire extent to which this is confirmed]].

[[WMG:Morgana will turn out to be EvilAllAlong, and will be a boss]]

[[WMG:Philemon will return and be voiced by ShuichiIkeda]]
ShuichiIkeda was confirmed to be part of the P5 cast at the end of PV#3. For those not aware, Shuichi Ikeda is a big deal in the world of Japanese Voice acting. Him being in the game pretty much guarantee's he has a big role, and what bigger role is there than Philemon? As a little extra, by extent the same could be said of Creator/JojiNakata and Nyarlathotep too.

[[WMG:Yusuke will be a GuestStarPartyMember and will become an antagonist]]

* Jossed: Yusuke is playable although the game and is not villainous in the slightest, [[spoiler:ironically enough however, you just described Goro perfectly]].

[[WMG:Yusuke will start as an antagonist and join the party late game]]

* Jossed. He's the fifth member to join your team, and the focus of the second dungeon. [[spoiler:Goro Akechi is the antagonist turned ally role similar to your speculation]].

[[WMG:Morgana is the Protagonist's shadow...or at least part of his psyche.]]

** Sort of? Morgana [[spoiler:was created by Igor to assist The Protagonist in defeating Yaldaboath]].

[[WMG:ShuichiIkeda might reprise his role as [[ShinMegamiTenseiIvFinal Dagda]] (or at least the one that exists in this universe)]]

** Jossed: Ikeda plays [[spoiler:Masayoshi Shido]], though to your second point, you ''can'' buy a Shin Megami Tensei IV Samurai outfit to war in dungeons.

[[WMG:The unknown male party member will be a traitor]]

The twist is, that this is just a RedHerring. The detective has fully BecomeTheMask and realized that the thieves are doing a better job of reforming the system than he has, working from within. The actual traitor is another member of the group.

[[WMG:Guesses for Akechi's weaponry]]

* [[spoiler:Confirmed. However unlike the other targets, she's merely antisocial]].

** {{Jossed}}, Morgana is [[spoiler:an extra-dimensional being created by Igor, though by the end of the game, he's lost his anthromorphic form and is now a regular cat (who can talk)]].

...Ann(who's the Lovers Confidant) and whoever becomes the Aeon arcana if they rerelease the game. In the third game, Yukari(Lovers), and Aigis (whose Persona is Chariot but whose Social Link is Aeon) have this role, and in the fourth game, this happens with Rise(Lovers)and Marie (Aeon), so you might notice a pattern here.