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Both were defeated in similar ways in the ancient past, though the number of heroes and the number of stones differed; and they were both sealed away rather than destroyed outright.

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Both were defeated in similar ways in the ancient past, though the number of heroes and the number of stones differed; and they were both sealed away rather than destroyed outright.outright.

[[WMG: The place where the seventh Crystal Star was [[spoiler: originally]] hidden is actually [[spoiler: Rogueport itself]].]]
There are only two places featured on the Star Map where [[spoiler:there is no Crystal Star to be found]]. Of course, one would expect that the seventh Crystal Star would be hidden [[spoiler:in Bomburg]], but the natives never even mention the X-Nauts once. And you'd think that they'd draw some attention, in such a small and remote village. So, there really only is one other option. It would make sense that the four heroes didn't manage to hide it in time before the curse hit...

Alternatively, the hiding spot might've actually been [[spoiler: the Moon all along - it IS featured on the map, after all]]. A third possibility would be that that Crystal Star [[spoiler: never actually was hidden in the first place - it was always in Beldam's possession, and that's how the X-nauts managed to obtain it]].


Two characters in ''A Bronx Tale'' are called Crazy Mario and Slick, and they're pretty similar to each other, which is why Doopliss calls Mario Slick.

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Two characters in ''A Bronx Tale'' are called Crazy Mario and Slick, and they're pretty similar to each other, which is why Doopliss calls Mario Slick.Slick.

[[WMG: The Shadow Queen is related to [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Fomortiis]].]]
Both were defeated in similar ways in the ancient past, though the number of heroes and the number of stones differed; and they were both sealed away rather than destroyed outright.


Apparently, the reason "everyone's a Toad" is because Miyamoto [[ExecutiveMeddling insisted the games start using only characters from the main Super Mario series]]. But since ''Odyssey'' is technically part of the Super series, the writers now have a fresh and diverse pool to draw from. It's the [[LoopholeAbuse perfect loophole]]!

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Apparently, the reason "everyone's a Toad" is because Miyamoto [[ExecutiveMeddling insisted the games start using only characters from the main Super Mario series]]. But since ''Odyssey'' is technically part of the Super series, the writers now have a fresh and diverse pool to draw from. It's the [[LoopholeAbuse perfect loophole]]!loophole]]!

[[WMG: Doopliss watched ''Film/ABronxTale''.]]
Two characters in ''A Bronx Tale'' are called Crazy Mario and Slick, and they're pretty similar to each other, which is why Doopliss calls Mario Slick.


* At the end of Super Paper Mario, at some point in time after becoming Super Dimentio, the jester used his powers to create an illusion where the heroes defeated him. In reality, he was doing this to give everybody a false sense of hope...So that he could crush it at the last minute. The truth is, he really did destroy all worlds. "But how" you may ask, "are there still Paper Mario games?" Well, after SPM, that's when the Paper Mario games got...iffy. [[LighterAndSofter cuter, cuddlier, funnier, less serious, and definitely less story-oriented]]. There was a radical shift in tone and plot that everyone is aware of, and none of the previous games are even mentioned at any point in time. Well, you know how Dimentio said that - after he erased every existing world - he'd replace them with "perfect" worlds? These are his worlds. First, a world themed around stickers, and then a world themed around colors. It fits with [[LaughablyEvil his silly personality]] a little, as well. He did this both to cause [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou misery to Paper Mario fans after seeing how negatively they reacted to change in Super Paper Mario]], and to destroy the unity of the four heroes by making Bowser the "villain" so as to create discord and enmity amidst the heroes and heroine. This is because not only are they are powerless unless in unity, but creating anarchy will obviously power something called the Chaos Heart. He doubled down on the story because he knew that if things got too complicated, then the characters would start to think more about their situation...Which could lead to them [[YouKnowTooMuch figuring out too much]]. And think about it - Where is Luigi in these games? Paper Luigi? In Sticker Star, he was a mere [[EasterEgg hidden]] [[TheCameo extra]], and not even as his paper self like the rest of the cast! But rather as his old 8-bit sprite from [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros Super Mario Bros.]]. In Color Splash, he's mostly the same, albeit at least paper this time. And in Paper Jam, he only gets ONE cameo! All of these are also suspiciously mute...Almost as if Dimentio is not only trying to hide him, but also silenced him so that he couldn't tell Mario the truth of what was going on. Fortunately, Luigi's roles seem to be slowly growing. He had a cameos as an NES sprite in SS, appeared as his actual paper self in PJ (probably only to distinguish him from regular Luigi) albeit only in one cameo, but got upgraded back to several cameos again in CS. Maybe he'll eventually get an expanded role and reveal everything...? Oh, and this whole thing doesn't just apply to Paper Mario. Perhaps when Paper Jam happened, Dimentio [[HostileShowTakeover gained control over the Mario & Luigi universe]] as well, and seeing Luigi - even if not his paper self - he panicked and stopped the M&L timeline from progressing after this crossover, which is why the only Mario & Luigi games following this one ever since have only been remakes. He's afraid that if time continues to flow after PJ, then Luigi will eventually notice that he has no paper counterpart which will have an undesirable domino effect for the now-almighty jester.

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* At the end of Super Paper Mario, at some point in time after becoming Super Dimentio, the jester used his powers to create an illusion where the heroes defeated him. In reality, he was doing this to give everybody a false sense of hope...So that he could crush it at the last minute. The truth is, he really did destroy all worlds. "But how" you may ask, "are there still Paper Mario games?" Well, after SPM, that's when the Paper Mario games got...iffy. [[LighterAndSofter cuter, cuddlier, funnier, less serious, and definitely less story-oriented]]. There was a radical shift in tone and plot that everyone is aware of, and none of the previous games are even mentioned at any point in time. Well, you know how Dimentio said that - after he erased every existing world - he'd replace them with "perfect" worlds? These are his worlds. First, a world themed around stickers, and then a world themed around colors. It fits with [[LaughablyEvil his silly personality]] a little, as well. He did this both to cause [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou misery to Paper Mario fans after seeing how negatively they reacted to change in Super Paper Mario]], and to destroy the unity of the four heroes by making Bowser the "villain" so as to create discord and enmity amidst the heroes and heroine. This is because not only are they are powerless unless in unity, but creating anarchy will obviously power something called the Chaos Heart. He doubled down on the story because he knew that if things got too complicated, then the characters would start to think more about their situation...Which could lead to them [[YouKnowTooMuch figuring out too much]]. And think about it - Where is Luigi in these games? Paper Luigi? In Sticker Star, he was a mere [[EasterEgg hidden]] [[TheCameo extra]], and not even as his paper self like the rest of the cast! But rather as his old 8-bit sprite from [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros Super Mario Bros.]]. In Color Splash, he's mostly the same, albeit at least paper this time. And in Paper Jam, he only gets ONE cameo! All of these are also suspiciously mute...Almost as if Dimentio is not only trying to hide him, but also silenced him so that he couldn't tell Mario the truth of what was going on. Fortunately, Luigi's roles seem to be slowly growing. He had a cameos as an NES sprite in SS, appeared as his actual paper self in PJ (probably only to distinguish him from regular Luigi) albeit only in one cameo, but got upgraded back to several cameos again in CS. Maybe he'll eventually get an expanded role and reveal everything...? Oh, and this whole thing doesn't just apply to Paper Mario. Perhaps when Paper Jam happened, Dimentio [[HostileShowTakeover gained control over the Mario & Luigi universe]] as well, and seeing Luigi - even if not his paper self - he panicked and stopped the M&L timeline from progressing after this crossover, which is why the only Mario & Luigi games following this one ever since have only been remakes. He's afraid that if time continues to flow after PJ, then Luigi will eventually notice that he has no paper counterpart which will have an undesirable domino effect for the now-almighty jester.jester.

[[WMG: Paper Mario Switch will feature friendly races that were introduced in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey''.]]
Apparently, the reason "everyone's a Toad" is because Miyamoto [[ExecutiveMeddling insisted the games start using only characters from the main Super Mario series]]. But since ''Odyssey'' is technically part of the Super series, the writers now have a fresh and diverse pool to draw from. It's the [[LoopholeAbuse perfect loophole]]!


** Tippi also has the power to see through illusions and glimpse invisible objects, just like the Pixl was said to.

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** Tippi also has the power to see through illusions and glimpse invisible objects, just like the Pixl was said to.to.

[[WMG: [[spoiler: [[TheBadGuyWins Dimentio won.]]]]]]
* At the end of Super Paper Mario, at some point in time after becoming Super Dimentio, the jester used his powers to create an illusion where the heroes defeated him. In reality, he was doing this to give everybody a false sense of hope...So that he could crush it at the last minute. The truth is, he really did destroy all worlds. "But how" you may ask, "are there still Paper Mario games?" Well, after SPM, that's when the Paper Mario games got...iffy. [[LighterAndSofter cuter, cuddlier, funnier, less serious, and definitely less story-oriented]]. There was a radical shift in tone and plot that everyone is aware of, and none of the previous games are even mentioned at any point in time. Well, you know how Dimentio said that - after he erased every existing world - he'd replace them with "perfect" worlds? These are his worlds. First, a world themed around stickers, and then a world themed around colors. It fits with [[LaughablyEvil his silly personality]] a little, as well. He did this both to cause [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou misery to Paper Mario fans after seeing how negatively they reacted to change in Super Paper Mario]], and to destroy the unity of the four heroes by making Bowser the "villain" so as to create discord and enmity amidst the heroes and heroine. This is because not only are they are powerless unless in unity, but creating anarchy will obviously power something called the Chaos Heart. He doubled down on the story because he knew that if things got too complicated, then the characters would start to think more about their situation...Which could lead to them [[YouKnowTooMuch figuring out too much]]. And think about it - Where is Luigi in these games? Paper Luigi? In Sticker Star, he was a mere [[EasterEgg hidden]] [[TheCameo extra]], and not even as his paper self like the rest of the cast! But rather as his old 8-bit sprite from [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros Super Mario Bros.]]. In Color Splash, he's mostly the same, albeit at least paper this time. And in Paper Jam, he only gets ONE cameo! All of these are also suspiciously mute...Almost as if Dimentio is not only trying to hide him, but also silenced him so that he couldn't tell Mario the truth of what was going on. Fortunately, Luigi's roles seem to be slowly growing. He had a cameos as an NES sprite in SS, appeared as his actual paper self in PJ (probably only to distinguish him from regular Luigi) albeit only in one cameo, but got upgraded back to several cameos again in CS. Maybe he'll eventually get an expanded role and reveal everything...? Oh, and this whole thing doesn't just apply to Paper Mario. Perhaps when Paper Jam happened, Dimentio [[HostileShowTakeover gained control over the Mario & Luigi universe]] as well, and seeing Luigi - even if not his paper self - he panicked and stopped the M&L timeline from progressing after this crossover, which is why the only Mario & Luigi games following this one ever since have only been remakes. He's afraid that if time continues to flow after PJ, then Luigi will eventually notice that he has no paper counterpart which will have an undesirable domino effect for the now-almighty jester.


[[WMG: Flavio is a TimeLord.]]

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[[WMG: Flavio is a TimeLord.JustForFun/TimeLord.]]


Not only that but it will have three slots in a party and it will have [[SuperMarioBros2 Wart]] as the Big Bad and the game will be NintendoHard

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Not only that but it will have three slots in a party and it will have [[SuperMarioBros2 [[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros2 Wart]] as the Big Bad and the game will be NintendoHard


[[WMG: The Peach & Twink duo was the inspiration for [[{{SuperMarioGalaxy}} Rosalina & the Lumas]].]]
A blonde princess teams up with a little star to help Mario on his quest while they're stuck in space? Sounds like what Rosalina does in the first SuperMarioGalaxy game. It may just be a coincidence, though.

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[[WMG: The Peach & Twink duo was the inspiration for [[{{SuperMarioGalaxy}} [[VideoGame/{{SuperMarioGalaxy}} Rosalina & the Lumas]].]]
A blonde princess teams up with a little star to help Mario on his quest while they're stuck in space? Sounds like what Rosalina does in the first SuperMarioGalaxy VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy game. It may just be a coincidence, though.



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*** The koopas on the other hand are the same species as Bowser though.


The prophecy never said anything about ''using'' the 'dark power', though, just being protected by it, which-- as the GenreSavvy might have surmised-- [[ProphecyTwist means that there is]] [[TakeAThirdOption a third candidate]]. Considering the fact that the final battle [[spoiler: ''presumably'' killed Dimentio, but did absolutely nothing to Luigi-- who, logically, should have been hurt, since he played the role of 'host'--]] it's a distinct possibility that he was protected by the Chaos Heart, as per the prophecy. Of course, since he's still alive, one has to wonder about the void, too-- hence the WMG.

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The prophecy never said anything about ''using'' the 'dark power', though, just being protected by it, which-- as the GenreSavvy might have surmised-- which [[ProphecyTwist means that there is]] [[TakeAThirdOption a third candidate]]. Considering the fact that the final battle [[spoiler: ''presumably'' killed Dimentio, but did absolutely nothing to Luigi-- who, logically, should have been hurt, since he played the role of 'host'--]] it's a distinct possibility that he was protected by the Chaos Heart, as per the prophecy. Of course, since he's still alive, one has to wonder about the void, too-- hence the WMG.


* Just because Sticker Star was LighterAndSofter doesn't mean that future PaperMario titles can't be DarkerAndEdgier.

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* Just because Sticker Star was LighterAndSofter doesn't mean that future PaperMario ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' titles can't be DarkerAndEdgier.



The ExactWords referring to the Void are: "The void will swallow all...Naught can stop it...unless the one protected by the dark power is destroyed." Assuming is dangerous, but-- if memory serves-- there's really only one 'dark power' at work in SuperPaperMario: the Chaos Heart. There are several people who could qualify as "the one protected by the dark power", though. [[spoiler: Bleck and Dimentio]], are the first to come to mind. While both were shielded by the Chaos Heart for some amount of time, both were ''also'' made vulnerable by [[spoiler: the Pure Hearts]], rendering that protection useless. \\

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The ExactWords referring to the Void are: "The void will swallow all...Naught can stop it...unless the one protected by the dark power is destroyed." Assuming is dangerous, but-- if memory serves-- there's really only one 'dark power' at work in SuperPaperMario: ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'': the Chaos Heart. There are several people who could qualify as "the one protected by the dark power", though. [[spoiler: Bleck and Dimentio]], are the first to come to mind. While both were shielded by the Chaos Heart for some amount of time, both were ''also'' made vulnerable by [[spoiler: the Pure Hearts]], rendering that protection useless. \\



[[WMG: If PaperMario 5 ever gets made, it might go back to the DarkerAndEdgier route that Thousand Year Door and Super went.]]

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[[WMG: If PaperMario 5 ''VideoGame/PaperMario 5'' ever gets made, it might go back to the DarkerAndEdgier route that Thousand Year Door and Super went.]]



* In PaperMario he is either the Magikoopa who follows Twink and attempts to ambush Mario at the end of the prologue chapter.

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* In PaperMario ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' he is either the Magikoopa who follows Twink and attempts to ambush Mario at the end of the prologue chapter.



* In PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor he is the Magikoopa who reports to Kammy Koopa that Princess Peach was captured by the X-Nauts.
* In SuperPaperMario he is the Magikoopa who stands at Bowser's side when he and his army prepare to invade Peach's Castle.

[[WMG: Paper Mario NX will be a [[{{Main/Deconstruction}} Deconstruction]] of how there are just Toads in VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar and VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash]]
Not only that but it will have three slots in a party and it will have [[{{SuperMarioBros2}} Wart]] as the Big Bad and the game will be Main/NintendoHard

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* In PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'' he is the Magikoopa who reports to Kammy Koopa that Princess Peach was captured by the X-Nauts.
* In SuperPaperMario ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' he is the Magikoopa who stands at Bowser's side when he and his army prepare to invade Peach's Castle.

[[WMG: Paper Mario NX will be a [[{{Main/Deconstruction}} Deconstruction]] {{Deconstruction}} of how there are just Toads in VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' and VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash]]
''VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash'']]
Not only that but it will have three slots in a party and it will have [[{{SuperMarioBros2}} [[SuperMarioBros2 Wart]] as the Big Bad and the game will be Main/NintendoHard
NintendoHard


...is that they don't actually care about advancing, only about crushing the dreams of rookies, similar to Tonpa from Manga/HunterXHunter.

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...is that they don't actually care about advancing, only about crushing the dreams of rookies, similar to Tonpa from Manga/HunterXHunter.Manga/HunterXHunter.

[[WMG: Tippi's Pixl form is the same one mentioned in Carson's story of the Pixl Queen]]
* Carson mentions in his story that the Ancient who took out the Pixl Queen was the inheritor of a Pixl who could "see the truth", and that that Pixl's power allowed him to see through the illusions cast by the queen. He also states that the Pixl was killed in the ensuing battle, and that as a result of the Pixl Queen's rise to power, the creation of all new Pixls was outlawed after her defeat.
** If this were true, Merlon couldn't have created a new Pixl to house Timpani's soul, not to mention, he probably wouldn't have known how - his only other option would be to use one that he already had on him.
** Merlon states at one point that Tippi's Pixl body doesn't have long to sustain her, which could work if it had been damaged during the battle against the Pixl Queen, leading to its original occupant's death.
** Tippi also has the power to see through illusions and glimpse invisible objects, just like the Pixl was said to.


Not only that but it will have three slots in a party and it will have [[{{SuperMarioBros2}} Wart]] as the Big Bad and the game will be Main/NintendoHard

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Not only that but it will have three slots in a party and it will have [[{{SuperMarioBros2}} Wart]] as the Big Bad and the game will be Main/NintendoHardMain/NintendoHard

[[WMG: The real reason the Armored Harriers are only at the bottom of the major league, despite their invincibility...]]
...is that they don't actually care about advancing, only about crushing the dreams of rookies, similar to Tonpa from Manga/HunterXHunter.


[[WMG: Paper Mario NX will be a Deconstruction of how there are just Toads in VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar and VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash]]

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[[WMG: Paper Mario NX will be a Deconstruction [[{{Main/Deconstruction}} Deconstruction]] of how there are just Toads in VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar and VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash]]

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