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* When she demanded that everyone call her by Lunark and that she would refuse to be addressed as "5th Elder," he complied with her preferences, as if to please her.
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* When she demanded that everyone call her by Lunark and that she would refuse to be addressed as "5th Elder," he complied with her preferences, as if to please her.her.
[[WMG: 3rd Elder is the 1st Elder's parent/uncle/guardian]]
*Look at how he takes care of 1st Elder. Then look at how a guardian takes care of a child. Finally, compare the similarities.
[[WMG: 3rd Elder is the 1st Elder's parent/uncle/guardian]]
*Look at how he takes care of 1st Elder. Then look at how a guardian takes care of a child. Finally, compare the similarities.
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[[WMG: 3rd Elder has a crush on Lunark]]
*Before he was fighting Karias, with her, he told her that he was "worried about her safety."
*When he was fighting Karias, his little explosions never seemed to harm her and even served to prevent Karias from harming her.
*Before he told the 1st Elder that he would accompany him to his invasion of the werewolf territory, he hesitated, as if he was worried for someone.
*When Lunark was fighting the royal guards, he never intervened. The 1st Elder didn't either, but he was too busy playing king.
*While he attacked the other "true werewolf warriors," he never attacked her.
*When she demanded that everyone call her by Lunark and that she would refuse to be addressed as "5th Elder," he complied with her preferences, as if to please her.
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* Frankenstein discovers that in order for Rai to survive he has to take blood from the very humans he wants to protect, and they have to give it to him willingly. Han Shinwoo will be the first to willingly sacrifice himself thinking he would be killed but it will turn out that the Noblesse only needs a pinprick of his blood. The Noblesse just loathes the thought of his human friends hurting themselves in such a way for him. He also would withhold the information of needing the small blood transfusion because of the bonds it may create and the danger it brings to Rai’s humans. Rai would have to leave in order to protect them and the humans keep their memory of him. Roll Credits. Until next season.
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** There are several mentions that noble mind control powers can be good enough that if they went out into human society they could easily take it over/convince people they're their best friends. It's possible that everyone at the Union thinks the First Elder is human, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are.
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** There are several mentions that noble Nobles mind control powers can be good enough that if they went out into human society they could easily take it over/convince people they're their best friends. It's possible that everyone at the Union thinks the First Elder is human, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are.
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* By the end of the series, Shin Woo will no longer be normal human.
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* By the end of the series, Shin Woo will no longer be normal human.human.
[[WMG: [[IGotBigger Tesamu is the 1st Elder]]]]
Aside from the blond hair, there isn't much grounds for this theory, other than the knowledge and presumably experience that Tesamu had acquired from Frankenstein firsthand possibly helping the youngster to rise up in the ranks of the Union. If it were to be true, it would make a solid ChekhovsGunman.
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Aside from the blond hair, there isn't much grounds for this theory, other than the knowledge and presumably experience that Tesamu had acquired from Frankenstein firsthand possibly helping the youngster to rise up in the ranks of the Union. If it were to be true, it would make a solid ChekhovsGunman.
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* Now that we know it was Muzaka's [[spoiler:young daughter]] who led to his rampage, this doesn't seem very likely, for a variety of reasons. But I will suggest another possibility. The translations I've read sometimes refer to what M-21 got as only a piece of a werewolf's heart. So perhaps what was translated into him was actually (part of) Muzaka's heart. Ignes does say they savaged Muzaka's body, but he always healed. For all we know, he could survive even having his heart cut out.
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* Now that we know it was Muzaka's [[spoiler:young daughter]] who led to his rampage, have the prequel OVA showing what happened eight hundred years ago, this doesn't seem very likely, for a variety of reasons. reasons:
** Ashleen's body looked like it was disintegrated by the explosion at the end of the battle.
** If her body was recovered somehow, that raises the question of how they preserved it for hundreds of years. Three hundred until they uncovered Frankenstein's (first) journal, and then another five hundred until the M series experiments.
** It also looked like she was shot through the heart, to explain why one plain arrow managed to kill her.
** And I would assume that there's also a, well, size difference between a little girl and a full-grown man, in terms of heart size.
* But I will suggest another possibility. The translations I've read sometimes refer to what M-21 got as only a piece of a werewolf's heart. So perhaps what wastranslated transplanted into him was actually (part of) Muzaka's heart. Ignes does say they savaged Muzaka's body, but he always healed. For all we know, he could survive even having his heart cut out.
** Ashleen's body looked like it was disintegrated by the explosion at the end of the battle.
** If her body was recovered somehow, that raises the question of how they preserved it for hundreds of years. Three hundred until they uncovered Frankenstein's (first) journal, and then another five hundred until the M series experiments.
** It also looked like she was shot through the heart, to explain why one plain arrow managed to kill her.
** And I would assume that there's also a, well, size difference between a little girl and a full-grown man, in terms of heart size.
* But I will suggest another possibility. The translations I've read sometimes refer to what M-21 got as only a piece of a werewolf's heart. So perhaps what was
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[[WMG: Dark Spear is made from the souls of all those people Frankenstein killed during his experiments? I mean the thing does try to kill him whenever he uses it.]]
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** Jossed: it was the Union who created it, and Frankenstein stole it from them, when he [[spoiler:returns it tot he 9th Elder. Fatally.]]
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** Jossed: it was the Union who created it, and Frankenstein stole it from them, when he [[spoiler:returns it tot he to the 9th Elder. Fatally.]]
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*** And Frankenstein is actually a descendent from Legolas of LOTR, of the Dark Elf variety.. which explains why he's still alive, young, and pretty.
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*** And Frankenstein is actually a descendent descendant from Legolas of LOTR, of the Dark Elf variety.. which explains why he's still alive, young, and pretty.
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* I agree on principle, but I think it more likely that given the recent information, rather than becoming an experiment, that Shinwoo will form a contract with Rai or one of the Clan Leaders - most likely Seira, give the amount of ShipTease between them.
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* I agree on principle, but I think it more likely that that, given the recent information, rather than becoming an experiment, that Shinwoo will form a contract with Rai or one of the Clan Leaders - most likely Seira, give the amount of ShipTease between them.
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What makes you think he has a heart at all? Only M-21 was confirmed to have a werewolf heart - there is no guarantee that the 'experiment' performed on M-24 was a heart transplant. Clearly there are different levels and types of experiments - Jake had multiple experiments performed upon him, they couldn't all be heart transplants. As for him getting his powers from one of the clan members - it's very possible, that's the kind of contrived coincidence that Manga and Manwha love.
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*** Very jossed by the conversation with the 9th Elder re. Dark Spear. They were committing atrocities for power centuries before Roctis joined.
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*** Very jossed by the conversation with the 9th Elder re. re: Dark Spear. They were committing atrocities for power centuries before Roctis joined.
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Lagus (the very old Noble) had to get the pendant he gave Urokai from somebody familiar with Frankenstein's former apprentice. After seeing Frankenstein fight with the Dark Spear Lagus speculates how much power HE could get from experimenting. This would clear a logical path for him and the other traitor Clan Leaders to convince the apprentice to work with them to try and duplicate Frankenstein's experiments. Give it a few hundred years, and he is almost certainly one of the Union's highest ranking members.
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Lagus (the very old Noble) had to get the pendant he gave Urokai from somebody familiar with Frankenstein's former apprentice. After seeing Frankenstein fight with the Dark Spear Spear, Lagus speculates how much power HE could get from experimenting. This would clear a logical path for him and the other traitor Clan Leaders to convince the apprentice to work with them to try and duplicate Frankenstein's experiments. Give it a few hundred years, and he is almost certainly one of the Union's highest ranking members.
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* Given that M-21 is shown to now be more than capable of beating down Mark at the same time as Aris and Yuri, this probably won't be necessary. Too bad.
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* I second this, considering how foreshadowing seems to work in this series. M-21 has a werewolf heart, Muzaka lost something/someone dear to him-goes on a rampage, it's likely that a family member of Muzaka or one of his kids was captured by the Union and their heart was taken out and transplanted into M-21. It'll be ironic if that's true, considering how Crombell/Cromwell is likely going to be the first to find him and probably recruit him.
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* I second this, considering how foreshadowing seems to work in this series. M-21 has a werewolf heart, Muzaka lost something/someone dear to him-goes him - goes on a rampage, it's likely that a family member of Muzaka or one of his kids was captured by the Union and their heart was taken out and transplanted into M-21. It'll be ironic if that's true, considering how Crombell/Cromwell Crombel/Cromwell is likely going to be the first to find him and probably recruit him.
* Now that we know it was Muzaka's [[spoiler:young daughter]] who led to his rampage, this doesn't seem very likely, for a variety of reasons. But I will suggest another possibility. The translations I've read sometimes refer to what M-21 got as only a piece of a werewolf's heart. So perhaps what was translated into him was actually (part of) Muzaka's heart. Ignes does say they savaged Muzaka's body, but he always healed. For all we know, he could survive even having his heart cut out.
* Now that we know it was Muzaka's [[spoiler:young daughter]] who led to his rampage, this doesn't seem very likely, for a variety of reasons. But I will suggest another possibility. The translations I've read sometimes refer to what M-21 got as only a piece of a werewolf's heart. So perhaps what was translated into him was actually (part of) Muzaka's heart. Ignes does say they savaged Muzaka's body, but he always healed. For all we know, he could survive even having his heart cut out.
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** Rai has awakened Tao and Takeo as well, to increase their healing when they were heavily injured, but the time with M-21 does stand out compared to that.
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* When Frankie Frankenstein lectured M-21, Rai reminded him that he was also a troublemaker in the past.
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[[WMG: The series will end like this]]
* Rai is dead.
** Alternatively, he got a DisneyDeath and revived.
* The children will found out the truth and keep the memories this time.
* The nobles will started to live and blend together with humans.
* There will be a confirmation of some shipping via time skip, either it was jossed or canon. Specifically : Rai x Raskreia, Seira x Rael or Seira x Shinwoo, M-21 x Yuna, etc.
* By the end of the series, Shin Woo will no longer be normal human.
* Rai is dead.
** Alternatively, he got a DisneyDeath and revived.
* The children will found out the truth and keep the memories this time.
* The nobles will started to live and blend together with humans.
* There will be a confirmation of some shipping via time skip, either it was jossed or canon. Specifically : Rai x Raskreia, Seira x Rael or Seira x Shinwoo, M-21 x Yuna, etc.
* By the end of the series, Shin Woo will no longer be normal human.
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** Instead, all the conversation we see does a very good job playing on Frankenstein's guesses about Rai - that he's someone lonely/in need of help, and someone worth helping when we see Frankenstein's PapaWolf tendencies.
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** Instead, all the conversation we see does a very good job playing on Frankenstein's guesses about Rai - that he's someone lonely/in need of help, and someone worth helping when we see Frankenstein's PapaWolf tendencies. Is the Previous Lord really just rambling about Rai, or did he find out what Frankenstein's buttons are and start pushing them?
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** Was that really a [[spoiler:soul fragment]] or is he actually alive?
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** Did he 'forget' that Frankenstein was supposed to be sent to meet the Lord, or was he trying to keep Frankenstein as far away from the Lord as possible?
* Was that really a [[spoiler:soul fragment]] or is he actually alive?
* Was that really a [[spoiler:soul fragment]] or is he actually alive?
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** The Lord's powers of mind control are most likely better than the Noblesse's. If Tesamu wasn't a traitor, he could have gotten the location of that book from Frankenstein.
** Which gives a reason other than benevolence for him to want Frankenstein taken alive, and why he didn't want Ragar and Gejutel as witnesses when he spoke to Frankenstein, to see anything he did besides talk.
** Which gives a reason other than benevolence for him to want Frankenstein taken alive, and why he didn't want Ragar and Gejutel as witnesses when he spoke to Frankenstein, to see anything he did besides talk.
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** The Lord's powers of mind control are most likely better than the Noblesse's. If Tesamu wasn't a traitor, he the Lord could have gotten the location of that book from Frankenstein.
**Which This gives a reason other than benevolence for him the Lord to want Frankenstein taken alive, and why he didn't want Ragar and Gejutel as witnesses when he spoke to Frankenstein, to see anything he did besides talk.
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** Jossed: it was the Union who created it, and Frankenstein stole it from them, when he [[spoiler:returns it tot he 9th Elder. Fatally.]]
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***** Clan leaders not killed by Rai disappear too, like [[spoiler:Rajak.]]
(3) Yuri has yellow eyes and blond hair, like Tesamu and the accidentally-posted image's character - two of the main candidates for First Elder. While Yuri doesn't recognize Frankenstein, which likely rules out him being the First Elder, he may have some relation to them.
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*** Very jossed by the conversation with the 9th Elder re. Dark Spear. They were committing atrocities for power centuries before Roctis joined.
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[[WMG:The First Elder is the Previous Lord]]
As part of his plan to change the fate of his species. 'What if humans are no longer the ones in need of protecting?' It explains too darn much.
* Motive, method and opportunity - what named characters around back then would have been able to make the modern Union happen?
** He mentions he doesn't remember his name, and is clearly willing to do a lot to change Lukedonia's system.
** There are several mentions that noble mind control powers can be good enough that if they went out into human society they could easily take it over/convince people they're their best friends. It's possible that everyone at the Union thinks the First Elder is human, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are.
** Frankenstein's buried book was supposedly found 520 years ago, which is just about when the Previous Lord supposedly entered Eternal Sleep.
** The Lord's powers of mind control are most likely better than the Noblesse's. If Tesamu wasn't a traitor, he could have gotten the location of that book from Frankenstein.
** Which gives a reason other than benevolence for him to want Frankenstein taken alive, and why he didn't want Ragar and Gejutel as witnesses when he spoke to Frankenstein, to see anything he did besides talk.
** Frankenstein was ''very confused'' by that conversation - the Previous Lord asked none of the questions he was expecting. To the reader, that seems funny, that the Previous Lord is definitely a character and was trusting in the Noblesse's judgment that Frankenstein was worth sheltering, but he may have asked those questions and Frankenstein doesn't remember.
** Instead, all the conversation we see does a very good job playing on Frankenstein's guesses about Rai - that he's someone lonely/in need of help, and someone worth helping when we see Frankenstein's PapaWolf tendencies.
* He may have been turning a blind eye to the selling of contracts that created the mutants which gave Frankenstein his motivation in the first place.
* He's very interested in enhancement and experimentation, the modus operandi of the Union.
** He wanted Frankenstein to resume experimenting after moving to Lukedonia (the blood sample).
** With Ragar, he worked on soul weapon experiments.
** Now, both of those things could just be because he has a genuine interest in 'what humans will think of next' and how to help the children in the future, but, for nobles, attempting to become more powerful is [[BlueAndOrangeMorality considered a bad thing]]. For a ruler to see themselves as BeyondGoodAndEvil like that?
** Going into Eternal Sleep themselves because they believe that will help the nobles is self-sacrificial instead of sacrificing others, but not making an exception for Ragar when Rael was practically an infant by noble standards?
** From the flashback of one of the traitor nobles during the [[spoiler:invasion of Lukedonia]] the Lord wanting them to create clan heirs, meaning children, to pass their soul weapons onto and then abandon them by going into Eternal Sleep was the reason they thought Lukedonia's leadership had lost it and ceased to be loyal to the post of Lord.
* The Lord is the symbol of authority, and their ability to use their power comes from their belief that they stand above all other beings on the planet and have the right to run their lives.
** Seeing him constantly (by noble standards) attempting to meddle with Rai and Raskreia makes you wonder if he'd really be willing to enter eternal sleep and leave ''everything'' up to the next generation.
* When Rai's [[spoiler:life force is refilled by Ragnarok]] he's in the middle of talking to Raskreia (purely hypothetically?) about how she might need to fight someone dear to her to protect humans, like [[spoiler:a best friend]] or her father, the Previous Lord. Right after he says that [[spoiler:he starts glowing and the subject changes.]]
** If the Previous Lord was considering anything along those lines, Rai would have known because that's his job.
** Was that really a [[spoiler:soul fragment]] or is he actually alive?
** Soul weapons can transfer to a heir while a clan leader is still alive: Gejutel gave his to his son Rousare, and [[spoiler:Regis inherits Regasus.]]
* So many of the 'these people are secretly evil' indications remarked on with the Traitor Elders also apply to the Lord
** Interested in how humans are becoming more powerful and if that could be applied to Elders.
** Keeping a close eye on Rai (by noble standards) - as Frankenstein points out, people keep a close eye on things that worry them.
** Trying to get Rai to stop being the Noblesse, meaning it would no longer be his duty to execute those who abuse humans
* When Rai [[spoiler:Awakens Frankenstein to save him from Dark Spear]] his reaction is 'so that's what you've chosen,' when isn't protecting humans supposed to be the default for nobles?
* In the very first season, there's the question of how Rai's coffin ended up in the same city as Frankenstein. It's mainly dropped because later on nobody has the time to care.
** According to Frankenstein, which sanctuary Rai went to may have been random. Who could have found it or been able to enter it to take the coffin? When we know that the Lord has the authority to enter the Noblesse's sanctuaries by the fact he left Ragnarok in one of them.
** The Union was almost to the point it was ready to invade Lukedonia, so he may have chosen to awaken Rai now since his plan does not actually involve the Union winning.
** He actually does want Rai to live, so he put him in range of someone who would keep him safe.
** Frankenstein contracted with Rai and called him Master for the first time after coming from the Lord. He looks very shook up, and the Lord's mind control powers are almost certainly ''impressive.'' In the last panel of that chapter, Rai does not look happy when Frankenstein kneels. In one early chapter, Rai says 'I want everyone to call me Rai' and Frankenstein fails to get the hint. Frankenstein coming from a chivalric culture doesn't quite explain that when he still used to be ScrewYouElves and 'the main principle of Ye Ran is free will' from his speech to the students in Mr. Park's flashback.
* There's a throwaway joke about how the Previous Lord didn't want to fight Frankenstein unless he fought the other Clan Leaders first 'because of his pride as a boss.' That would fit with the First Elder not revealing himself until the rest of the Union is wiped out JustAsPlanned.
** There are a couple discussions of how invading Lukedonia is the stupidest thing the Union could do, and first they were gearing up for it for a long time, and now they're doing it when they're in no position to contain the fallout of refugee nobles being ticked off enough to, oh, start a vampire/mutant plague? And good luck trying to find them when they can seem like a native of somewhere very easily because of the psychic powers. Nobles can detect other nobles, but the Union clearly hasn't been putting that ability into enhanced humans... why?
As part of his plan to change the fate of his species. 'What if humans are no longer the ones in need of protecting?' It explains too darn much.
* Motive, method and opportunity - what named characters around back then would have been able to make the modern Union happen?
** He mentions he doesn't remember his name, and is clearly willing to do a lot to change Lukedonia's system.
** There are several mentions that noble mind control powers can be good enough that if they went out into human society they could easily take it over/convince people they're their best friends. It's possible that everyone at the Union thinks the First Elder is human, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are.
** Frankenstein's buried book was supposedly found 520 years ago, which is just about when the Previous Lord supposedly entered Eternal Sleep.
** The Lord's powers of mind control are most likely better than the Noblesse's. If Tesamu wasn't a traitor, he could have gotten the location of that book from Frankenstein.
** Which gives a reason other than benevolence for him to want Frankenstein taken alive, and why he didn't want Ragar and Gejutel as witnesses when he spoke to Frankenstein, to see anything he did besides talk.
** Frankenstein was ''very confused'' by that conversation - the Previous Lord asked none of the questions he was expecting. To the reader, that seems funny, that the Previous Lord is definitely a character and was trusting in the Noblesse's judgment that Frankenstein was worth sheltering, but he may have asked those questions and Frankenstein doesn't remember.
** Instead, all the conversation we see does a very good job playing on Frankenstein's guesses about Rai - that he's someone lonely/in need of help, and someone worth helping when we see Frankenstein's PapaWolf tendencies.
* He may have been turning a blind eye to the selling of contracts that created the mutants which gave Frankenstein his motivation in the first place.
* He's very interested in enhancement and experimentation, the modus operandi of the Union.
** He wanted Frankenstein to resume experimenting after moving to Lukedonia (the blood sample).
** With Ragar, he worked on soul weapon experiments.
** Now, both of those things could just be because he has a genuine interest in 'what humans will think of next' and how to help the children in the future, but, for nobles, attempting to become more powerful is [[BlueAndOrangeMorality considered a bad thing]]. For a ruler to see themselves as BeyondGoodAndEvil like that?
** Going into Eternal Sleep themselves because they believe that will help the nobles is self-sacrificial instead of sacrificing others, but not making an exception for Ragar when Rael was practically an infant by noble standards?
** From the flashback of one of the traitor nobles during the [[spoiler:invasion of Lukedonia]] the Lord wanting them to create clan heirs, meaning children, to pass their soul weapons onto and then abandon them by going into Eternal Sleep was the reason they thought Lukedonia's leadership had lost it and ceased to be loyal to the post of Lord.
* The Lord is the symbol of authority, and their ability to use their power comes from their belief that they stand above all other beings on the planet and have the right to run their lives.
** Seeing him constantly (by noble standards) attempting to meddle with Rai and Raskreia makes you wonder if he'd really be willing to enter eternal sleep and leave ''everything'' up to the next generation.
* When Rai's [[spoiler:life force is refilled by Ragnarok]] he's in the middle of talking to Raskreia (purely hypothetically?) about how she might need to fight someone dear to her to protect humans, like [[spoiler:a best friend]] or her father, the Previous Lord. Right after he says that [[spoiler:he starts glowing and the subject changes.]]
** If the Previous Lord was considering anything along those lines, Rai would have known because that's his job.
** Was that really a [[spoiler:soul fragment]] or is he actually alive?
** Soul weapons can transfer to a heir while a clan leader is still alive: Gejutel gave his to his son Rousare, and [[spoiler:Regis inherits Regasus.]]
* So many of the 'these people are secretly evil' indications remarked on with the Traitor Elders also apply to the Lord
** Interested in how humans are becoming more powerful and if that could be applied to Elders.
** Keeping a close eye on Rai (by noble standards) - as Frankenstein points out, people keep a close eye on things that worry them.
** Trying to get Rai to stop being the Noblesse, meaning it would no longer be his duty to execute those who abuse humans
* When Rai [[spoiler:Awakens Frankenstein to save him from Dark Spear]] his reaction is 'so that's what you've chosen,' when isn't protecting humans supposed to be the default for nobles?
* In the very first season, there's the question of how Rai's coffin ended up in the same city as Frankenstein. It's mainly dropped because later on nobody has the time to care.
** According to Frankenstein, which sanctuary Rai went to may have been random. Who could have found it or been able to enter it to take the coffin? When we know that the Lord has the authority to enter the Noblesse's sanctuaries by the fact he left Ragnarok in one of them.
** The Union was almost to the point it was ready to invade Lukedonia, so he may have chosen to awaken Rai now since his plan does not actually involve the Union winning.
** He actually does want Rai to live, so he put him in range of someone who would keep him safe.
** Frankenstein contracted with Rai and called him Master for the first time after coming from the Lord. He looks very shook up, and the Lord's mind control powers are almost certainly ''impressive.'' In the last panel of that chapter, Rai does not look happy when Frankenstein kneels. In one early chapter, Rai says 'I want everyone to call me Rai' and Frankenstein fails to get the hint. Frankenstein coming from a chivalric culture doesn't quite explain that when he still used to be ScrewYouElves and 'the main principle of Ye Ran is free will' from his speech to the students in Mr. Park's flashback.
* There's a throwaway joke about how the Previous Lord didn't want to fight Frankenstein unless he fought the other Clan Leaders first 'because of his pride as a boss.' That would fit with the First Elder not revealing himself until the rest of the Union is wiped out JustAsPlanned.
** There are a couple discussions of how invading Lukedonia is the stupidest thing the Union could do, and first they were gearing up for it for a long time, and now they're doing it when they're in no position to contain the fallout of refugee nobles being ticked off enough to, oh, start a vampire/mutant plague? And good luck trying to find them when they can seem like a native of somewhere very easily because of the psychic powers. Nobles can detect other nobles, but the Union clearly hasn't been putting that ability into enhanced humans... why?
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*** And Frankenstein is actually a descendent from Legolas of LOTR, of the Dark Elf variety.. which explains why he's still alive, young, and pretty.
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*I second this, considering how foreshadowing seems to work in this series. M-21 has a werewolf heart, Muzaka lost something/someone dear to him-goes on a rampage, it's likely that a family member of Muzaka or one of his kids was captured by the Union and their heart was taken out and transplanted into M-21. It'll be ironic if that's true, considering how Crombell/Cromwell is likely going to be the first to find him and probably recruit him.
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* If he didn't do that, everyone would have to clean themselves and they would ask Rai to do it too. I think he tried to avoid that. But Regis, Seira and Rai in the maid cafe? Yes please.
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Thus explained his hatred towards humans.
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Thus explained his hatred towards humans.humans.
[[WMG:One of the RK humans trio will make contract with Rai]]
It's likely M-21. He's similar with Frankie :
* Rai had used his blood in their awakening.
* Both tried to protect Rai.
* When Frankie lectured M-21, Rai reminded him that he was also a troublemaker in the past.
[[WMG:One of the RK humans trio will make contract with Rai]]
It's likely M-21. He's similar with Frankie :
* Rai had used his blood in their awakening.
* Both tried to protect Rai.
* When Frankie lectured M-21, Rai reminded him that he was also a troublemaker in the past.
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[[WMG: M-24's consciousness will stall Mark at a crucial moment allowing M-21 to kill him.]]
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[[WMG: M-24's consciousness will stall Mark at a crucial moment allowing M-21 to kill him.]]]]
[[WMG:M-21 heart belongs to someone related to Muzaka]]
Thus explained his hatred towards humans.
[[WMG:M-21 heart belongs to someone related to Muzaka]]
Thus explained his hatred towards humans.
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Lagus (the very old Noble) had to get the pendant he gave Urokai from somebody familiar with Frankenstein's former apprentice. After seeing Frankenstein fight with the Dark Spear Lagus speculates how much power HE could get from experimenting. This would clear a logical path for him and the other traitor Clan Leaders to convince the apprentice to work with them to try and duplicate Frankenstein's experiments. Give it a few hundred years, and he is almost certainly one of the Union's highest ranking members.
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Lagus (the very old Noble) had to get the pendant he gave Urokai from somebody familiar with Frankenstein's former apprentice. After seeing Frankenstein fight with the Dark Spear Lagus speculates how much power HE could get from experimenting. This would clear a logical path for him and the other traitor Clan Leaders to convince the apprentice to work with them to try and duplicate Frankenstein's experiments. Give it a few hundred years, and he is almost certainly one of the Union's highest ranking members.members.
[[WMG: M-24's consciousness will stall Mark at a crucial moment allowing M-21 to kill him.]]
[[WMG: M-24's consciousness will stall Mark at a crucial moment allowing M-21 to kill him.]]
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***** Except every time Rai has killed a clan leader the body disintegrates. This may be a trait only unique to clan leaders however or people Rai kills.
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** Just a minor correction: 9th Elder is not a Noble. Nevertheless, that indeed still leaves the possibility that the other traitor clan leaders are in the top 3 (out of the 13 Elders, we know for sure that only 4th, 6th and 7th are Nobles, and we know squat about 1st, 2nd and 3rd)
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** Just a minor correction: 9th Elder is not a Noble. Nevertheless, that indeed still leaves the possibility that the other traitor clan leaders are in the top 3 (out of the 13 Elders, we know for sure that only 4th, 6th and 7th are Nobles, and we know squat about 1st, 2nd and 3rd)3rd)
[[WMG: Frankenstein's apprentice is one of the highest Union Elders]]
Lagus (the very old Noble) had to get the pendant he gave Urokai from somebody familiar with Frankenstein's former apprentice. After seeing Frankenstein fight with the Dark Spear Lagus speculates how much power HE could get from experimenting. This would clear a logical path for him and the other traitor Clan Leaders to convince the apprentice to work with them to try and duplicate Frankenstein's experiments. Give it a few hundred years, and he is almost certainly one of the Union's highest ranking members.
[[WMG: Frankenstein's apprentice is one of the highest Union Elders]]
Lagus (the very old Noble) had to get the pendant he gave Urokai from somebody familiar with Frankenstein's former apprentice. After seeing Frankenstein fight with the Dark Spear Lagus speculates how much power HE could get from experimenting. This would clear a logical path for him and the other traitor Clan Leaders to convince the apprentice to work with them to try and duplicate Frankenstein's experiments. Give it a few hundred years, and he is almost certainly one of the Union's highest ranking members.
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** He was the interim 13th Elder because he just joined. Other than Crombell, who's combat capabilities are still unknown, the other elders follow the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil fairly closely - the 10th/11th Elder are stronger than the 12th, the 7th/8th are a LOT stronger than the 10th/11th, and the 5th also heavily outclasses the 8th. Presumably, they have some system of putting them at their appropriate rank WITHOUT them killing each other. The 8th is a human experiment - and yet he is higher than the 9th Elder, who is a Noble, and presumably joined at the same time as Roctis. Likewise, the 5th Elder is a Werewolf - NOT a Noble, but she is bracketed on both sides by Nobles. If they just assigned numbers based on when they joined, then the 6 traitor clan leaders ought to be 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th. Instead they appear to be 4th, 6th, 7th, 9th, and 2 ?? (presumably two of the top 3).
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** Just a minor correction: 9th Elder is not a Noble. Nevertheless, that indeed still leaves the possibility that the other traitor clan leaders are in the top 3 (out of the 13 Elders, we know for sure that only 4th, 6th and 7th are Nobles, and we know squat about 1st, 2nd and 3rd)
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** He probably hates his job because he's doesn't want to work FOR somebody at all - he wants to be top dog.
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If 13th Elder's entry to the Elder position is any indication, the numbering of Elders is based on when they join. In that case, Roctis' position as the 4th Elder will then mean he went in only after the Union has been around for some time. And if Rai's distrust on him is any indication, Roctis might have corrupted the Union, turning it into the supremacist organization it is now.
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If 13th Elder's entry to the Elder position is any indication, the numbering of Elders is based on when they join. In that case, Roctis' position as the 4th Elder will then mean he went in only after the Union has been around for some time. And if Rai's distrust on him is any indication, Roctis might have corrupted the Union, turning it into the supremacist organization it is now.now.
** He was the interim 13th Elder because he just joined. Other than Crombell, who's combat capabilities are still unknown, the other elders follow the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil fairly closely - the 10th/11th Elder are stronger than the 12th, the 7th/8th are a LOT stronger than the 10th/11th, and the 5th also heavily outclasses the 8th. Presumably, they have some system of putting them at their appropriate rank WITHOUT them killing each other. The 8th is a human experiment - and yet he is higher than the 9th Elder, who is a Noble, and presumably joined at the same time as Roctis. Likewise, the 5th Elder is a Werewolf - NOT a Noble, but she is bracketed on both sides by Nobles. If they just assigned numbers based on when they joined, then the 6 traitor clan leaders ought to be 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th. Instead they appear to be 4th, 6th, 7th, 9th, and 2 ?? (presumably two of the top 3).
** He was the interim 13th Elder because he just joined. Other than Crombell, who's combat capabilities are still unknown, the other elders follow the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil fairly closely - the 10th/11th Elder are stronger than the 12th, the 7th/8th are a LOT stronger than the 10th/11th, and the 5th also heavily outclasses the 8th. Presumably, they have some system of putting them at their appropriate rank WITHOUT them killing each other. The 8th is a human experiment - and yet he is higher than the 9th Elder, who is a Noble, and presumably joined at the same time as Roctis. Likewise, the 5th Elder is a Werewolf - NOT a Noble, but she is bracketed on both sides by Nobles. If they just assigned numbers based on when they joined, then the 6 traitor clan leaders ought to be 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th. Instead they appear to be 4th, 6th, 7th, 9th, and 2 ?? (presumably two of the top 3).
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Meh, that\'s less of WMG and more like fan wish. XD Replacing with an actual WMG XD
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[[WMG: 7th Elder may turn out to be an AntiVillain, if not making a HeelFaceTurn altogether]]
Even when compared to 4th Elder, and especially when compared to 5th and 8th Elder, he doesn't seem to be too concerned about Union ruling the world. Like 4th Elder, he is a traitor clan leader, and yet while there's a scene where 4th Elder freely chats with 9th Elder about the Union taking over the world, the only thing 7th Elder ever talks about so far is about the combats he's been involved with, namely, with the Loyards. And he's kind enough to warn KSA that he, 5th and 8th are about to go to town with their domination show-off. Plus, the only scenery destruction he makes is the one where he fights with Seira, while 5th and 8th happily blow up buildings just to grab Lukedonia's attention.
Even when compared to 4th Elder, and especially when compared to 5th and 8th Elder, he doesn't seem to be too concerned about Union ruling the world. Like 4th Elder, he is a traitor clan leader, and yet while there's a scene where 4th Elder freely chats with 9th Elder about the Union taking over the world, the only thing 7th Elder ever talks about so far is about the combats he's been involved with, namely, with the Loyards. And he's kind enough to warn KSA that he, 5th and 8th are about to go to town with their domination show-off. Plus, the only scenery destruction he makes is the one where he fights with Seira, while 5th and 8th happily blow up buildings just to grab Lukedonia's attention.
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[[WMG: 7th The Union used to be a relatively benevolent human organization until Roctis hijacked it]]
If 13th Elder's entry to the Eldermay turn out to be an AntiVillain, if not making a HeelFaceTurn altogether]]
Evenposition is any indication, the numbering of Elders is based on when compared to 4th Elder, and especially when compared to 5th and 8th Elder, he doesn't seem to be too concerned about Union ruling they join. In that case, Roctis' position as the world. Like 4th Elder, he is a traitor clan leader, and yet while there's a scene where 4th Elder freely chats with 9th Elder about will then mean he went in only after the Union taking over the world, the only thing 7th Elder ever talks about so far is about the combats he's has been involved with, namely, with around for some time. And if Rai's distrust on him is any indication, Roctis might have corrupted the Loyards. And he's kind enough to warn KSA that he, 5th and 8th are about to go to town with their domination show-off. Plus, Union, turning it into the only scenery destruction he makes supremacist organization it is the one where he fights with Seira, while 5th and 8th happily blow up buildings just to grab Lukedonia's attention.now.
If 13th Elder's entry to the Elder
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Because then RK-5 and the four kids would be able to say that [[DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu they had tea with Cthulhu]]
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Because then RK-5 and the four kids would be able to say that [[DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu they had tea with Cthulhu]]Cthulhu]]
[[WMG: 7th Elder may turn out to be an AntiVillain, if not making a HeelFaceTurn altogether]]
Even when compared to 4th Elder, and especially when compared to 5th and 8th Elder, he doesn't seem to be too concerned about Union ruling the world. Like 4th Elder, he is a traitor clan leader, and yet while there's a scene where 4th Elder freely chats with 9th Elder about the Union taking over the world, the only thing 7th Elder ever talks about so far is about the combats he's been involved with, namely, with the Loyards. And he's kind enough to warn KSA that he, 5th and 8th are about to go to town with their domination show-off. Plus, the only scenery destruction he makes is the one where he fights with Seira, while 5th and 8th happily blow up buildings just to grab Lukedonia's attention.
[[WMG: 7th Elder may turn out to be an AntiVillain, if not making a HeelFaceTurn altogether]]
Even when compared to 4th Elder, and especially when compared to 5th and 8th Elder, he doesn't seem to be too concerned about Union ruling the world. Like 4th Elder, he is a traitor clan leader, and yet while there's a scene where 4th Elder freely chats with 9th Elder about the Union taking over the world, the only thing 7th Elder ever talks about so far is about the combats he's been involved with, namely, with the Loyards. And he's kind enough to warn KSA that he, 5th and 8th are about to go to town with their domination show-off. Plus, the only scenery destruction he makes is the one where he fights with Seira, while 5th and 8th happily blow up buildings just to grab Lukedonia's attention.
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** Just because Frankenstein didn't use it when fighting him doesn't mean he COULDN'T use it - Yuri never saw Frankenstein whip out the Dark Spear, either. All he could really tell was that an extremely powerful attack killed the 12th Elder. He couldn't see who used it, how it was used, or even how it affected the 12th Elder other than it killed him.
