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[[WMG: Giygas is Porky.]]
In the Cave of the Past, Giygas is contained in the Devil's Machine, an orb-shaped device not dissimilar to the Absolutely Safe Capsule that Porky is put in at the end of Mother 3. Porky and Giygas were in close proximity to each other throughout the events of [=EarthBound=], whether through the Mani-Mani statue or actual exposure while waiting for Ness and Co. The Absolutely Safe Capsule would keep whoever is inside of it, well, absolutely safe, even after the end of time. Porky, using time travel, retrieved the Absolutely Safe Capsule some time after the end, and brought it back to the past, where he found a way to disable it (perhaps its long existence eventually causes its systems to fail so it no longer becomes Absolutely Safe) and released Giygas/Porky. The millennia that passed, while keeping Porky alive in the capsule, also 'destroyed' his body and mind. A kernel of Giygas's influence remained within Porky and attempted to take over whatever was left of his mind, which would explain the fragmented speech throughout the fight ("I'm so sad, Ness", "It's not right", "It hurts", etc.)-- Future!Porky is trying to gain control of himself back from Giygas.
It probably doesn't hold water given how the ASC works in canon, but... maybe?
** I realized some time after posting this that because of the events of Mother 1 this is incredibly jossed.
In the Cave of the Past, Giygas is contained in the Devil's Machine, an orb-shaped device not dissimilar to the Absolutely Safe Capsule that Porky is put in at the end of Mother 3. Porky and Giygas were in close proximity to each other throughout the events of [=EarthBound=], whether through the Mani-Mani statue or actual exposure while waiting for Ness and Co. The Absolutely Safe Capsule would keep whoever is inside of it, well, absolutely safe, even after the end of time. Porky, using time travel, retrieved the Absolutely Safe Capsule some time after the end, and brought it back to the past, where he found a way to disable it (perhaps its long existence eventually causes its systems to fail so it no longer becomes Absolutely Safe) and released Giygas/Porky. The millennia that passed, while keeping Porky alive in the capsule, also 'destroyed' his body and mind. A kernel of Giygas's influence remained within Porky and attempted to take over whatever was left of his mind, which would explain the fragmented speech throughout the fight ("I'm so sad, Ness", "It's not right", "It hurts", etc.)-- Future!Porky is trying to gain control of himself back from Giygas.
It probably doesn't hold water given how the ASC works in canon, but... maybe?
** I realized some time after posting this that because of the events of Mother 1 this is incredibly jossed.
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[[WMG: Giygas in [=EarthBound=] is not Giegue, but Porky.]]
In the Cave of the Past, Giygas is contained in the Devil's Machine, an orb-shaped device not dissimilar to the Absolutely Safe Capsule that Porky is put in at the end of Mother 3. Porky andGiygas Giegue were in close proximity to each other throughout the events of [=EarthBound=], whether through [=EarthBound=] via the Mani-Mani statue or actual exposure while waiting for Ness and Co.statue. The Absolutely Safe Capsule would keep whoever is inside of it, well, absolutely safe, even after the end of time. Porky, using time travel, retrieved the Absolutely Safe Capsule some time after the end, and brought it back to the past, where he found a way to disable it (perhaps (or perhaps its long existence eventually causes its systems to fail so it no longer becomes Absolutely Safe) and released Giygas/Porky. Giegue/Porky. The millennia that passed, while keeping Porky alive in the capsule, also 'destroyed' destroyed his body and mind. mind until it was no longer recognizable. A kernel of Giygas's Giegue's influence remained within Porky and attempted to take over whatever was left of his mind, which would explain the fragmented speech throughout the fight ("I'm so sad, Ness", "It's not right", "It hurts", etc.)-- Future!Porky is trying to gain control of himself back from Giygas.
It probably doesn't hold water given how the ASC works in canon, but... maybe?
** I realized some time after posting thisGiegue's influence. My theory is that because of Giegue was in the events of Mother 1 this is incredibly jossed.Mani-Mani Statue, or was at least able to use it as a beacon to influence people from afar.
In the Cave of the Past, Giygas is contained in the Devil's Machine, an orb-shaped device not dissimilar to the Absolutely Safe Capsule that Porky is put in at the end of Mother 3. Porky and
It probably doesn't hold water given how the ASC works in canon, but... maybe?
** I realized some time after posting this
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It probably doesn't hold water given how the ASC works in canon, but... maybe?
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It probably doesn't hold water given how the ASC works in canon, but... maybe?maybe?
** I realized some time after posting this that because of the events of Mother 1 this is incredibly jossed.
** I realized some time after posting this that because of the events of Mother 1 this is incredibly jossed.
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After all, MOTHER was ''[=EarthBound Beginnings=]'' and MOTHER 2 was ''[=EarthBound=]'', so...
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After all, MOTHER was ''[=EarthBound Beginnings=]'' and MOTHER 2 was ''[=EarthBound=]'', so...so...
[[WMG: Giygas is Porky.]]
In the Cave of the Past, Giygas is contained in the Devil's Machine, an orb-shaped device not dissimilar to the Absolutely Safe Capsule that Porky is put in at the end of Mother 3. Porky and Giygas were in close proximity to each other throughout the events of [=EarthBound=], whether through the Mani-Mani statue or actual exposure while waiting for Ness and Co. The Absolutely Safe Capsule would keep whoever is inside of it, well, absolutely safe, even after the end of time. Porky, using time travel, retrieved the Absolutely Safe Capsule some time after the end, and brought it back to the past, where he found a way to disable it (perhaps its long existence eventually causes its systems to fail so it no longer becomes Absolutely Safe) and released Giygas/Porky. The millennia that passed, while keeping Porky alive in the capsule, also 'destroyed' his body and mind. A kernel of Giygas's influence remained within Porky and attempted to take over whatever was left of his mind, which would explain the fragmented speech throughout the fight ("I'm so sad, Ness", "It's not right", "It hurts", etc.)-- Future!Porky is trying to gain control of himself back from Giygas.
It probably doesn't hold water given how the ASC works in canon, but... maybe?
[[WMG: Giygas is Porky.]]
In the Cave of the Past, Giygas is contained in the Devil's Machine, an orb-shaped device not dissimilar to the Absolutely Safe Capsule that Porky is put in at the end of Mother 3. Porky and Giygas were in close proximity to each other throughout the events of [=EarthBound=], whether through the Mani-Mani statue or actual exposure while waiting for Ness and Co. The Absolutely Safe Capsule would keep whoever is inside of it, well, absolutely safe, even after the end of time. Porky, using time travel, retrieved the Absolutely Safe Capsule some time after the end, and brought it back to the past, where he found a way to disable it (perhaps its long existence eventually causes its systems to fail so it no longer becomes Absolutely Safe) and released Giygas/Porky. The millennia that passed, while keeping Porky alive in the capsule, also 'destroyed' his body and mind. A kernel of Giygas's influence remained within Porky and attempted to take over whatever was left of his mind, which would explain the fragmented speech throughout the fight ("I'm so sad, Ness", "It's not right", "It hurts", etc.)-- Future!Porky is trying to gain control of himself back from Giygas.
It probably doesn't hold water given how the ASC works in canon, but... maybe?
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After the events of ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBound'', two things are now publicly known: 1) the existence of PSI, and 2) that '''there are alien creatures who are not only hostile, but possess technology and power far beyond our own capabilities.''' As a result, world leaders freak and decide to use PSI and found alien technologies to bolster their militaries.
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After the events of ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBound'', ''VideoGame/{{EarthBound|1994}}'', two things are now publicly known: 1) the existence of PSI, and 2) that '''there are alien creatures who are not only hostile, but possess technology and power far beyond our own capabilities.''' As a result, world leaders freak and decide to use PSI and found alien technologies to bolster their militaries.
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[[WMG: MOTHER 3's English Updated Re-release (for Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3DS) name will be ''[=EarthBound=] Endings']]
After all, MOTHER was ''[=EarthBound Beginnings=]'', and MOTHER 2 was ''[=EarthBound=]'', so...
After all, MOTHER was ''[=EarthBound Beginnings=]'', and MOTHER 2 was ''[=EarthBound=]'', so...
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[[WMG: MOTHER 3's English Updated Re-release UpdatedReRelease (for Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3DS) name will be ''[=EarthBound=] Endings']]
Endings'']]
After all, MOTHER was ''[=EarthBoundBeginnings=]'', Beginnings=]'' and MOTHER 2 was ''[=EarthBound=]'', so...
After all, MOTHER was ''[=EarthBound
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[[WMG: MOTHER 3's English Updated Re-relase (for Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3DS) name will be ''[=EarthBound=] Endings']]
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[[WMG: MOTHER 3's English Updated Re-relase Re-release (for Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3DS) name will be ''[=EarthBound=] Endings']]
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*** ''Was'' a fangame. It's ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}'' now.
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*** ''Was'' a fangame. It's ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}'' now.
now (although it still incorporate elements similar to the Mother/Earthbound Trilogy).
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[[WMG: MOTHER 3's English Updated Re-relase (for Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3DS) name will be ''[=EarthBound=] Endings']]
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[[WMG: Porky was using Time Travel all throughout Earthbound.]]
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[[WMG: Porky was using Time Travel all throughout Earthbound.''[=EarthBound=]''.]]
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[[WMG: The end of the world prior to the events of Mother 3...]]
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[[WMG: The end of the world prior to the events of Mother 3...''Mother 3''...]]
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[[WMG: MOTHER 3's English name will be [=EarthBound=] Endings]]
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After all, MOTHER was [=EarthBound Beginnings=], and MOTHER 2 was [=EarthBound=], so...
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[[WMG: MOTHER 3's English name will be [=EarthBound=] Endings]]
''[=EarthBound=] Endings']]
After all, MOTHER was[=EarthBound Beginnings=], ''[=EarthBound Beginnings=]'', and MOTHER 2 was [=EarthBound=], ''[=EarthBound=]'', so...
After all, MOTHER was
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Hope it's alright that I'm cutting links to a page that no longer exists.
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** [[VideoGame/MOTHER4 Jossed.]] The new (fan-made) protagonist is a boy named Travis.
** Not Jossed. ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'' is a fangame. We're talking official here.
** Not Jossed. ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'' is a fangame. We're talking official here.
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** [[VideoGame/MOTHER4 Jossed.]] Jossed. The new (fan-made) protagonist is a boy named Travis.
** Not Jossed.''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'' ''Mother 4'' is a fangame. We're talking official here.
*** ''Was'' a fangame. It's ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}'' now.
** Not Jossed.
*** ''Was'' a fangame. It's ''VideoGame/{{Oddity}}'' now.
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Right. But it STILL Hurts!
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Right. But it STILL Hurts!Hurts!
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After all, MOTHER was [=EarthBound Beginnings=], and MOTHER 2 was [=EarthBound=], so...
[[WMG: MOTHER 3's English name will be [=EarthBound=] Endings]]
After all, MOTHER was [=EarthBound Beginnings=], and MOTHER 2 was [=EarthBound=], so...
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Is because they're not physical; he's giving you MindRape. You can't comprehend what you can't touch, right?
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Is because they're not physical; he's giving you MindRape. You can't comprehend what you can't touch, right?right?
Right. But it STILL Hurts!
Right. But it STILL Hurts!
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A small group of survivors then set out for the Nowhere Islands, but not before their memories are wiped, most likely by a PSI user. Porky's involvement in all this might have been huge or completely negligent to the outcome. Regardless, thanks indirectly to the events of the first two games, the vast majority world of the world is now in utter ruins.
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A small group of survivors then set out for the Nowhere Islands, but not before their memories are wiped, most likely by a PSI user. Porky's involvement in all this might have been huge or completely negligent to the outcome. Regardless, thanks indirectly to the events of the first two games, the vast majority world of the world is now in utter ruins.ruins.
[[WMG: The reason YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm of Giegue/Giygas' attacks...]]
Is because they're not physical; he's giving you MindRape. You can't comprehend what you can't touch, right?
[[WMG: The reason YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm of Giegue/Giygas' attacks...]]
Is because they're not physical; he's giving you MindRape. You can't comprehend what you can't touch, right?
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[[WMG: The end of the world prior to the events of Mother 3...]]
How did it come about? Here's one possibility...
After the events of ''VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings'' and ''VideoGame/EarthBound'', two things are now publicly known: 1) the existence of PSI, and 2) that '''there are alien creatures who are not only hostile, but possess technology and power far beyond our own capabilities.''' As a result, world leaders freak and decide to use PSI and found alien technologies to bolster their militaries.
However, Giegue's race, after seeing their top candidate for world dominating crippled and made insane by the power of ''actual, raw emotion'' when he attempted to invade Earth, something which the whole of humanity hold near and dear, they keep away from the humans, not wanting another one of their domination plans to go disastrously wrong as it did last time. This, of course, renders the original point of most of Earth's new military programs moot, and after waiting for so long without a reply, the world's leaders decide to slowly turn against one another. Wars, thanks to bolstered technology and the advent of PSI, became far more devastating, and eventually, the destruction of Earth, either through massive [=WOMDs=] or even the massive power of PSI, was inevitable.
A small group of survivors then set out for the Nowhere Islands, but not before their memories are wiped, most likely by a PSI user. Porky's involvement in all this might have been huge or completely negligent to the outcome. Regardless, thanks indirectly to the events of the first two games, the vast majority world of the world is now in utter ruins.
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** Not Jossed. ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'' is a fangame. We're talking official here.
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** Not Jossed. ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'' is a fangame. We're talking official here.here.
[[WMG: Porky was using Time Travel all throughout Earthbound.]]
He only seems to get access to time travel at the end of the game, but once he ''has'' time travel, he can do whatever he wants with it and can return to any point in the timeline that he wants. Porky spends the entire game being selfish, cowardly, and weak, but he somehow manages to learn the necessary skills to manage a major company, fly a helicopter, manipulate dark magic, build and maintain extremely advanced technology, and a whole host of other stuff that even adults can't do successfully, while Ness, in the exact same span of time, really only trains up the two skills he started with: using PSI powers, and swinging a bat really hard. Porky basically spends the whole game SaveScumming behind the scenes, bailing himself out over and over until he can successfully get away with his plans, which inevitably means scaling up the next phase of his plan because at the end of Ness's journey is Giygas; the only way for Porky to stay at the center of Ness's world is to hijack the final boss's position and take it for himself. Once Ness defeats Giygas and the journey is over, there is no next step for Porky. It's over, but he's not ready to finish playing... and that's how Mother 3 happens.
[[WMG: Porky was using Time Travel all throughout Earthbound.]]
He only seems to get access to time travel at the end of the game, but once he ''has'' time travel, he can do whatever he wants with it and can return to any point in the timeline that he wants. Porky spends the entire game being selfish, cowardly, and weak, but he somehow manages to learn the necessary skills to manage a major company, fly a helicopter, manipulate dark magic, build and maintain extremely advanced technology, and a whole host of other stuff that even adults can't do successfully, while Ness, in the exact same span of time, really only trains up the two skills he started with: using PSI powers, and swinging a bat really hard. Porky basically spends the whole game SaveScumming behind the scenes, bailing himself out over and over until he can successfully get away with his plans, which inevitably means scaling up the next phase of his plan because at the end of Ness's journey is Giygas; the only way for Porky to stay at the center of Ness's world is to hijack the final boss's position and take it for himself. Once Ness defeats Giygas and the journey is over, there is no next step for Porky. It's over, but he's not ready to finish playing... and that's how Mother 3 happens.
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** [[VideoGame/MOTHER4 Jossed.]] The new (fan-made) protagonist is a boy named Travis.
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** [[VideoGame/MOTHER4 Jossed.]] The new (fan-made) protagonist is a boy named Travis.Travis.
** Not Jossed. ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'' is a fangame. We're talking official here.
** Not Jossed. ''VideoGame/{{Mother 4}}'' is a fangame. We're talking official here.
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* Jossed.
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* [[VideoGame/Mother4 Jossed.]] The new (fan-made) protagonist is a boy named Travis.
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* Ninten Ness Lucas... and female players? The series has had direct interaction before.
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* Ninten Ness Lucas... and female players? The series has had direct interaction before.before.
* Jossed.
* Jossed.
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Maybe the Chosen Four of the prophecy wasn't about Ness, Jeff, Poo, and Paula, but instead, was of Ninten, Ness, Lucas, and the next character.
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Maybe the Chosen Four of the prophecy wasn't about Ness, Jeff, Poo, and Paula, but instead, was of Ninten, Ness, Lucas, and the next character.character.
*Ninten Ness Lucas... and female players? The series has had direct interaction before.
*Ninten Ness Lucas... and female players? The series has had direct interaction before.
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Taking all bets; [[WordOfGod he has said that]] [[{{Jossed}} it is not Mother 4]].
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Taking all bets; [[WordOfGod he has said that]] [[{{Jossed}} it is not Mother 4]].4]].
[[WMG: If there ever was to be a fourth game, the protagonist would be a girl]]
Maybe the Chosen Four of the prophecy wasn't about Ness, Jeff, Poo, and Paula, but instead, was of Ninten, Ness, Lucas, and the next character.
[[WMG: If there ever was to be a fourth game, the protagonist would be a girl]]
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[[WMG: The MOTHER-related thing Shigesato Itoi has been teasing is...]]
Taking all bets; [[WordOfGod he has said that]] [[{{Jossed}} it is not Mother 4]].
Taking all bets; [[WordOfGod he has said that]] [[{{Jossed}} it is not Mother 4]].
