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*** [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking That was]] [[CompletelyMissingThePoint the joke]].


* Behold: [[http://v1.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/6382/nagato_yuki_chan_no_shoushitsu/chapter.97532/page.13/ Exibit A.]] She appears before Yuki-chan the same way John Smith did to her; to get her to join the Literary Club.

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* Behold: [[http://v1.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/6382/nagato_yuki_chan_no_shoushitsu/chapter.97532/page.13/ Exibit A.]] A. She appears before Yuki-chan the same way John Smith did to her; to get her to join the Literary Club.


... is this just here to fulfill the [[TropeExampleLaws 14th Example Law]]?

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... is this just here to fulfill the [[TropeExampleLaws [[JustForFun/TropeExampleLaws 14th Example Law]]?





No form of Yuki would want to hurt Kyon, but the fact that Alter-Ryoko ''knew'' Kyon was trying to change things back when even Human Yuki didn't suggests she was created differently from everyone else in the Main/AlternateUniverse. Some small part in the back of Yuki's mind gave herself a companion in the new world that would defend it. Add a dallop of guilt for original Ryoko's erasure, mix in Ryoko's normal psychopathy, and stir.

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No form of Yuki would want to hurt Kyon, but the fact that Alter-Ryoko ''knew'' Kyon was trying to change things back when even Human Yuki didn't suggests she was created differently from everyone else in the Main/AlternateUniverse.AlternateUniverse. Some small part in the back of Yuki's mind gave herself a companion in the new world that would defend it. Add a dallop of guilt for original Ryoko's erasure, mix in Ryoko's normal psychopathy, and stir.



The "errors" accumulating due to uptime far longer than her original design specification, along with frustration at her powerlessness to end the endless summer, drive Nagato to act out by sleeping with Kyon. Kyon does not remember, but is aware of something "changed" in Yuki, while Yuki cannot forget, but also cannot do anything about her newfound feelings, as Haruhi's jealousy would cause Main/TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. As a result, she creates an Main/AlternateReality where Haruhi is out of the picture, she can be a normal human free of the burden of her duty and memories, and she and Kyon can get to know each other and fall in love. The one memory she leaves herself of her old life is also the moment when she first became attracted to Kyon out of more than just intellectual curiosity (though she did not realize it until later): the episode at the library earlier that year.

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The "errors" accumulating due to uptime far longer than her original design specification, along with frustration at her powerlessness to end the endless summer, drive Nagato to act out by sleeping with Kyon. Kyon does not remember, but is aware of something "changed" in Yuki, while Yuki cannot forget, but also cannot do anything about her newfound feelings, as Haruhi's jealousy would cause Main/TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. As a result, she creates an Main/AlternateReality AlternateUniverse where Haruhi is out of the picture, she can be a normal human free of the burden of her duty and memories, and she and Kyon can get to know each other and fall in love. The one memory she leaves herself of her old life is also the moment when she first became attracted to Kyon out of more than just intellectual curiosity (though she did not realize it until later): the episode at the library earlier that year.


The reason? She sees Mikuru as a rival for Kyon's love. TheOtherWiki actually mentions this in Yuki's trivia section.

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The reason? She sees Mikuru as a rival for Kyon's love. TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki actually mentions this in Yuki's trivia section.

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[[WMG: If someone wants to get to know Yuki Nagato]]

They should look at what she's reading, and then pull up a chair and sit next to her, not across from her. Not too close, or nothing, but close enough to read what she's reading. It would be a plus if they were already familiar with what she's reading. They should then offer up comments about the book, particularly about the part she is currently reading. At first, don't do it too much, but show that you're trying to share HER object of interest, which is of course what she is reading. Do it for maybe 20 minutes at first, but don't be a stranger, and try doing this somewhat regularly. That way, you become a regular and trusted person in her life. At that point, she may open up more and even show interest in what you like.


When I watched Disappearance, perhaps the hardest thing to accept I saw was how, I guess, forgiving Yuki was right after Kyon had pushed her up against the wall. It seems this Disappearance Yuki was someone who would easily be taken advantage of. I guess when Yuki was about to surrender her powers, she realized just how vulnerable she would be in the remade world, so she brought back the confident, sociable Ryoko, someone who would likely be very difficult to take advantage of, to watch over her Disappearance self. The remade Yuki was still pretty impaired, but without the [[DisabilitySuperpower superpowers]], so in case she came to any danger, Ryoko would be there for her, to fetch her out.

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When I watched Disappearance, perhaps the thing I saw that made it hardest thing to accept I saw maintain my suspension of belief was how, I guess, forgiving Yuki was right after Kyon had pushed her up against the wall. It seems this Disappearance Yuki was someone who would easily be taken advantage of. I guess when Yuki was about to surrender her powers, she realized just how vulnerable she would be in the remade world, so she brought back the confident, sociable Ryoko, someone who would likely be very difficult to take advantage of, to watch over her Disappearance self. The remade Yuki was still pretty impaired, but without the [[DisabilitySuperpower superpowers]], so in case she came to any danger, Ryoko would be there for her, to fetch her out.


When I watched Disappearance, perhaps the hardest thing to accept I saw was how, I guess, forgiving Yuki was right after Kyon had pushed her up against the wall. It seems this Disappearance Yuki was someone who would easily be taken advantage of. I guess when Yuki was about to surrender her powers, she realized just how vulnerable she would be in the remade world, so she brought back the confident, sociable Ryoko, someone who would likely be very difficult to take advantage of, to watch over her Disappearance self. The remade Yuki was still pretty impaired, but without the [[DisabilitySuperpower]], so in case she came to any danger, Ryoko would be there for her, to fetch her out.

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When I watched Disappearance, perhaps the hardest thing to accept I saw was how, I guess, forgiving Yuki was right after Kyon had pushed her up against the wall. It seems this Disappearance Yuki was someone who would easily be taken advantage of. I guess when Yuki was about to surrender her powers, she realized just how vulnerable she would be in the remade world, so she brought back the confident, sociable Ryoko, someone who would likely be very difficult to take advantage of, to watch over her Disappearance self. The remade Yuki was still pretty impaired, but without the [[DisabilitySuperpower]], [[DisabilitySuperpower superpowers]], so in case she came to any danger, Ryoko would be there for her, to fetch her out.


That's how Kyon ended up [[GoneTerriblyRight in a pool of his own blood]]...

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That's how Kyon ended up [[GoneTerriblyRight [[GoneHorriblyRight in a pool of his own blood]]...


That's how Kyon ended up in a pool of his own blood...

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That's how Kyon ended up [[GoneTerriblyRight in a pool of his own blood...blood]]...

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[[WMG: In Disappearance, Ryoko Asakura is Yuki's guard dog]]

When I watched Disappearance, perhaps the hardest thing to accept I saw was how, I guess, forgiving Yuki was right after Kyon had pushed her up against the wall. It seems this Disappearance Yuki was someone who would easily be taken advantage of. I guess when Yuki was about to surrender her powers, she realized just how vulnerable she would be in the remade world, so she brought back the confident, sociable Ryoko, someone who would likely be very difficult to take advantage of, to watch over her Disappearance self. The remade Yuki was still pretty impaired, but without the [[DisabilitySuperpower]], so in case she came to any danger, Ryoko would be there for her, to fetch her out.

That's how Kyon ended up in a pool of his own blood...


RESPONSE: I agree that Ryoko was clearly intended to be the one having contact with Haruhi, but I disagree that Ryoko was necessarily the original interface in charge, with Yuki as backup. Considering that Yuki is a member of the majority faction, the majority would likely want one of their own in charge of such an important operation (and would be able to achieve that), but still may have considered a member of the radical faction the best for making direct contact with Haruhi because of her much more active involvement. Nevertheless, even so, Ryoko needed to obey Yuki and not take actions beyond what was authorized. As for being the backup, I took that to mean in extreme situations where, perhaps, rapid decision-making was required, that is, more "emergency"-type situations rather than just the normal roles fulfilled by the agents, and would only make her own decisions if Yuki was unable to; otherwise, Ryoko would simply need to take the actions that are within Nagato's intended framework. As she explained in Surprise, Ryoko was there to back Yuki up when action was needed and Yuki could not act. Of course, by Surprise, because of Ryoko's predilection for extreme and unauthorized actions (such as by killing Kyon), Emiri was placed as a standby to ensure that Ryoko did not take certain unacceptable actions, but she did seem to exercise her own decision-making while protecting Kyon (if you could call it that) from Kuyo (within that broad mandate).

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RESPONSE: I agree that Ryoko was clearly intended to be the one having contact with Haruhi, but I disagree that Ryoko was necessarily the original interface in charge, with Yuki as backup. Considering that Yuki is a member of the majority faction, the majority would likely want one of their own in charge of such an important operation (and would be able to achieve that), but still may have considered a member of the radical faction the best for making direct contact with Haruhi because of her much more active involvement. Nevertheless, even so, Ryoko needed to obey Yuki and not take actions beyond what was authorized. As for being the backup, I took that to mean in extreme situations where, perhaps, rapid decision-making was required, that is, more "emergency"-type situations rather than just the normal roles fulfilled by the agents, and would only make her own decisions if Yuki was unable to; otherwise, Ryoko would simply need to take the actions that are within Nagato's intended framework. As she explained in Surprise, Ryoko was there to back Yuki up when action was needed and Yuki could not act. Of course, by Surprise, because of Ryoko's predilection for extreme and unauthorized actions (such as by killing Kyon), Emiri was placed as a standby to ensure that Ryoko did not take certain unacceptable actions, but she did seem to exercise her own decision-making while protecting Kyon (if you could call it that) from Kuyo (within that broad mandate).


* RESPONSE: I agree that Ryoko was clearly intended to be the one having contact with Haruhi, but I disagree that Ryoko was necessarily the original interface in charge, with Yuki as backup. Considering that Yuki is a member of the majority faction, the majority would likely want one of their own in charge of such an important operation (and would be able to achieve that), but still may have considered a member of the radical faction the best for making direct contact with Haruhi because of her much more active involvement. Nevertheless, even so, Ryoko needed to obey Yuki and not take actions beyond what was authorized. As for being the backup, I took that to mean in extreme situations where, perhaps, rapid decision-making was required, that is, more "emergency"-type situations rather than just the normal roles fulfilled by the agents, and would only make her own decisions if Yuki was unable to. As she explained in Surprise, Ryoko was there to back Yuki up when action was needed and Yuki could not act. Of course, by Surprise, because of Ryoko's predilection for extreme and unauthorized actions (such as by killing Kyon), Emiri was placed as a standby to ensure that Ryoko did not take certain unacceptable actions, but she did seem to exercise her own decision-making while protecting Kyon (if you could call it that) from Kuyo (within that broad mandate).

* When Ryoko tried to kill Kyon, that was outside of her mandate and her authorization. Such questions needed to at the very least be deferred to Yuki, unless Yuki was put out of commission, but Ryoko clearly did it on her own, concealing her plan from Yuki. When Yuki became aware of what Ryoko was doing, naturally she acted to prevent the unauthorized action from occurring (and she had her own motives).

* Basically, at the start, in Haruhi's 1st year in high school, Ryoko was assigned to be the interface who would have primary contact with Haruhi, but Yuki remained the brains of the operation and the agent in charge.

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RESPONSE: I agree that Ryoko was clearly intended to be the one having contact with Haruhi, but I disagree that Ryoko was necessarily the original interface in charge, with Yuki as backup. Considering that Yuki is a member of the majority faction, the majority would likely want one of their own in charge of such an important operation (and would be able to achieve that), but still may have considered a member of the radical faction the best for making direct contact with Haruhi because of her much more active involvement. Nevertheless, even so, Ryoko needed to obey Yuki and not take actions beyond what was authorized. As for being the backup, I took that to mean in extreme situations where, perhaps, rapid decision-making was required, that is, more "emergency"-type situations rather than just the normal roles fulfilled by the agents, and would only make her own decisions if Yuki was unable to.to; otherwise, Ryoko would simply need to take the actions that are within Nagato's intended framework. As she explained in Surprise, Ryoko was there to back Yuki up when action was needed and Yuki could not act. Of course, by Surprise, because of Ryoko's predilection for extreme and unauthorized actions (such as by killing Kyon), Emiri was placed as a standby to ensure that Ryoko did not take certain unacceptable actions, but she did seem to exercise her own decision-making while protecting Kyon (if you could call it that) from Kuyo (within that broad mandate).

* When Ryoko tried to kill Kyon, that was outside of her mandate and her authorization. Such questions needed to at the very least be deferred to Yuki, unless Yuki was put out of commission, but Ryoko clearly did it on her own, concealing her plan from Yuki. When Yuki became aware of what Ryoko was doing, naturally she acted to prevent the unauthorized action from occurring (and she had her own motives).

* Basically, at the start, in Haruhi's 1st year in high school, Ryoko was assigned to be the interface who would have primary contact with Haruhi, but Yuki remained the brains of the operation and the agent in charge.



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* RESPONSE: I agree that Ryoko was clearly intended to be the one having contact with Haruhi, but I disagree that Ryoko was necessarily the original interface in charge, with Yuki as backup. Considering that Yuki is a member of the majority faction, the majority would likely want one of their own in charge of such an important operation (and would be able to achieve that), but still may have considered a member of the radical faction the best for making direct contact with Haruhi because of her much more active involvement. Nevertheless, even so, Ryoko needed to obey Yuki and not take actions beyond what was authorized. As for being the backup, I took that to mean in extreme situations where, perhaps, rapid decision-making was required, that is, more "emergency"-type situations rather than just the normal roles fulfilled by the agents, and would only make her own decisions if Yuki was unable to. As she explained in Surprise, Ryoko was there to back Yuki up when action was needed and Yuki could not act. Of course, by Surprise, because of Ryoko's predilection for extreme and unauthorized actions (such as by killing Kyon), Emiri was placed as a standby to ensure that Ryoko did not take certain unacceptable actions, but she did seem to exercise her own decision-making while protecting Kyon (if you could call it that) from Kuyo (within that broad mandate).

* When Ryoko tried to kill Kyon, that was outside of her mandate and her authorization. Such questions needed to at the very least be deferred to Yuki, unless Yuki was put out of commission, but Ryoko clearly did it on her own, concealing her plan from Yuki. When Yuki became aware of what Ryoko was doing, naturally she acted to prevent the unauthorized action from occurring (and she had her own motives).

* Basically, at the start, in Haruhi's 1st year in high school, Ryoko was assigned to be the interface who would have primary contact with Haruhi, but Yuki remained the brains of the operation and the agent in charge.



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* Also, Ryoko probably chose a knife then for the effect. Basically, it looked like she intended to leave Kyon's body in the classroom to be discovered in the morning, possibly by the students. With the stab wounds and blood all over, it likely would have had more of an effect than if he had just simply died without a mark or was disappeared. Now it's possible that someone does patrol the halls in school at night in Japan--in another anime, Chibi Maruko Chan, one episode showed a faculty member patrolling the school at night at her elementary school--, but she might have concealed the body in such a way that it would not be discovered until daylight again and when the students came into the classroom. Now, the whole knife thing afterward, I don't know. Maybe humanoid interfaces have a tendency to engage in perseveration or something.

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