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* However, Claude becomes controllable after the credits, suggesting he never shot himself.

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* However, Claude becomes controllable after the credits, suggesting he never shot himself.** ​He did--the ambulances revived him as if he was another pedestrian.​



...but he's also one of the playable characters in [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto GTA 1]]. This would make him the PlayerCharacter of the first three original [=GTA=]s, thus making it his own trilogy. That, and [=GTA1=]'s three available maps include both Liberty City, ''and'' San Andreas, both of which he's been in before. Lord only knows what he's doing in the HD era...

[[WMG:Maria planned to get you killed, but had second thoughts.]]
Maria didn't like Claude at first. She lied to Salvatore about them being a couple, hoping he'll kill Claude. Suddenly she felt guilty, and decided to warn you about the bomb in the car.

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...but he's also one of the playable characters in [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto GTA 1]]. This would make him the PlayerCharacter of the first three original [=GTA=]s, thus making it his own trilogy. That, and [=GTA1=]'s three available maps include both Liberty City, ''and'' City ''and'' San Andreas, both of which he's been in before. Lord only knows what he's doing in the HD era...

[[WMG:Maria
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 [[WMG:Maria
planned to get you killed, but had second thoughts.]]
Maria didn't like Claude at first. She lied to Salvatore about them being a couple, hoping he'll kill Claude. Suddenly she felt guilty, guilty and decided to warn you about the bomb in the car.



After it is replaced, the radio says that "engineers had been working around the clock to fix the bridge", even though no workers are seen even right before it is replaced as you drive a boat under it. So it was built elsewhere and flown in. That's why there are no working helicopters - they were all in use! Then again it doesn't explain why are there static chopper models in Francis International Airport.

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After it is replaced, the radio says that "engineers had been working around the clock to fix the bridge", even though no workers are seen even right before it is replaced as you drive a boat under it. So it was built elsewhere and flown in. That's why there are no working helicopters - they were all in use! Then again it doesn't explain why are there static chopper models in at Francis International Airport.Airport.

[[WMG:Claude was originally going to speak, but was changed later on.]]
In the [[https://youtu.be/4pFG5l-GHeM February 2001 trailer]] for the game, he can be seen yelling "''Get out of the car!''" in one of the shots. It's obviously a placeholder, but This Troper believes that it might have been the [[WhatCouldHaveBeen initial intention]] for him to speak at first before the developers decided that he was better off being an {{Audience Surrogate}}.
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Then there's Miguel, who only seems to be deemed an antagonist due to him co-leading the Columbian Cartel. Presumably being in the cartel that's hostile to Claude from the very start, due to Catalina's betrayal of him, he would know about Claude and likely supports Catalina's hostility to him as well as the rest of his gang in some way. But HE DOESN'T ANTAGONIZE CLAUDE. If anything, he seems pretty terrified of him when they (presumably) first meet, and it becomes clear that he's just another victim of Catalina's manipulation. If being TheDragon to the actual main antagonist is enough to automatically warrant the status of secondary antagonist, then why isn't the Forelli Capo the secondary antagonist of ''Vice City''? Why isn't Molly Schultz the secondary antagonist of ''GTA V''? Cases like Ryder and Eddie Pulaski in ''San Andreas'' are different, in the sense that they do actual serve a role that antagonizes the player. But Miguel is pretty, well, pathetic. What they could have done instead, is have Miguel be a far more aggressive character, both in the game and Claude's backstory, and make him serve as the tertiary antagonist that dies in Bomb Da Base.

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Then there's Miguel, who only seems to be deemed an antagonist due to him co-leading the Columbian Colombian Cartel. Presumably being in the cartel that's hostile to Claude from the very start, due to Catalina's betrayal of him, he would know about Claude and likely supports Catalina's hostility to him as well as the rest of his gang in some way. But HE DOESN'T ANTAGONIZE CLAUDE. If anything, he seems pretty terrified of him when they (presumably) first meet, and it becomes clear that he's just another victim of Catalina's manipulation. If being TheDragon to the actual main antagonist is enough to automatically warrant the status of secondary antagonist, then why isn't the Forelli Capo the secondary antagonist of ''Vice City''? Why isn't Molly Schultz the secondary antagonist of ''GTA V''? Cases like Ryder and Eddie Pulaski in ''San Andreas'' are different, in the sense that they do actual serve a role that antagonizes the player. But Miguel is pretty, well, pathetic. What they could have done instead, is have Miguel be a far more aggressive character, both in the game and Claude's backstory, and make him serve as the tertiary antagonist that dies in Bomb Da Base.

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* Impossible. Asuka died even before the game ended and it was obviously Catalina, not Claude.



* This is actually impossible, as the player is free to do as he/she pleases after the "ending" cutscene.

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* This is actually impossible, as the player is free to do as he/she pleases However, Claude becomes controllable after the "ending" cutscene.credits, suggesting he never shot himself.



Claude isn't mute. When he's injured he grunts and groans in pain. He is capable of producing sound, but he never speaks. At the same time, he sports a distinctly French name and his origins are never explored. It could be that he's a Frenchman who just doesn't speak English (but understands it) and thus doesn't talk to other chracters because he doesn't know how to, since they all speak English.

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Claude isn't mute. When he's injured he grunts and groans in pain. He is capable of producing sound, but he never speaks. At the same time, he sports a distinctly French name and his origins are never explored. It could be that he's a Frenchman who just doesn't speak English (but understands it) and thus doesn't talk to other chracters characters because he doesn't know how to, since they all speak English.



Claude spotted a Colombian member who survived the incident and finished him off Maria stopped talking because the gunshot startled her.

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Claude spotted a Colombian member who survived the incident and finished him off Maria stopped talking because the gunshot startled her.
her. It is quite possible, given the Cartel has no trouble getting around the area.



First of all, Salvatore Leone is portrayed as the DiscOneFinalBoss of ''GTA III'', but he's hardly a tertiary antagonist. As in, he doesn't antagonise the player during the first part of the game. The player spends the entire first chapter working for his organization and hierarchy, and by all account each high ranking member of the Leone family (Salvatore included) openly comment on how useful and reliable Claude is. The turning point was a combination of Salvatore's paranoia, and uneasy marriage with Maria due to her cheating. In which he acted on irrational emotion towards what he viewed as a betrayal against him IN THE VERY FINAL MISSION of the first island. If it hadn't been for Maria opening her mouth and flat out lying about her and Claude, nothing would have happened. In fact, the mafia aren't even hostile to Claude until he kills Salvatore at the start of the second island, which storyline wise lasts one mission after and then you never hear of them again. It would make more sense for the antagonist to be an enemy of the Leone family Claude was working for, like one of the Forelli brothers, or one of the Triad warlords.

Then there's Miguel, who only seems to be deemed an antagonist due to him co-leading the Columbian Cartel. Presumably being in the cartel that's hostile to Claude from the very start, due to Catalina's betrayal of him, he would know about Claude and likely supports Catalina's hostility to him as well as the rest of his gang in some way. But HE DOESN'T ANTAGONISE CLAUDE. If anything, he seems pretty terrified of him when they (presumably) first meet, and it becomes clear that he's just another victim of Catalina's manipulation. If being TheDragon to the actual main antagonist is enough to automatically warrant the status of secondary antagonist, then why isn't the Forelli Capo the secondary antagonist of ''Vice City''? Why isn't Molly Schultz the secondary antagonist of ''GTA V''? Cases like Ryder and Eddie Pulaski in ''San Andreas'' are different, in the sense that they do actual serve a role that antagonises the player. But Miguel is pretty, well, pathetic. What they could have done instead, is have Miguel be a far more aggressive character, both in the game and Claude's backstory, and make him serve as the tertiary antagonist that dies in Bomb Da Base.

Catalina of course is antagonistic to the bone, but I'd pin her as the secondary antagonist rather than the first, largely because she doesn't really do a good enough job at causing the player shit throughout the entire game. That title instead goes to [[spoiler:Maria]]. After all, [[spoiler:she IS the reason Salvatore betrayed you AND the reason you get exiled from Portland. And, probably, why the Leone had search parties on Staunton temporarily looking for you. It's likely Claude only rescued Maria in the last mission because he wanted the honour and privilege of killing her himself. Plus, given the fact that she was willing to turn on the Leones, it's entirely probable she'd turn on the Yakuza and Claude too, and there's always the possibility that Catalina AND Maria were the ones who made a deal and [[LesYay faked the whole kidnapping]]]].

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First of all, Salvatore Leone is portrayed as the DiscOneFinalBoss of ''GTA III'', but he's hardly a tertiary antagonist. As in, he doesn't antagonise antagonist the player during the first part of the game. The player spends the entire first chapter working for his organization and hierarchy, and by all account each high ranking member of the Leone family (Salvatore included) openly comment on how useful and reliable Claude is. The turning point was a combination of Salvatore's paranoia, and uneasy marriage with Maria due to her cheating. In which he acted on irrational emotion towards what he viewed as a betrayal against him IN THE VERY FINAL MISSION of the first island. If it hadn't been for Maria opening her mouth and flat out lying about her and Claude, nothing would have happened. In fact, the mafia aren't even hostile to Claude until he kills Salvatore at the start of the second island, which storyline wise lasts one mission after and then you never hear of them again. It would make more sense for the antagonist to be an enemy of the Leone family Claude was working for, like one of the Forelli brothers, or one of the Triad warlords.

Then there's Miguel, who only seems to be deemed an antagonist due to him co-leading the Columbian Cartel. Presumably being in the cartel that's hostile to Claude from the very start, due to Catalina's betrayal of him, he would know about Claude and likely supports Catalina's hostility to him as well as the rest of his gang in some way. But HE DOESN'T ANTAGONISE ANTAGONIZE CLAUDE. If anything, he seems pretty terrified of him when they (presumably) first meet, and it becomes clear that he's just another victim of Catalina's manipulation. If being TheDragon to the actual main antagonist is enough to automatically warrant the status of secondary antagonist, then why isn't the Forelli Capo the secondary antagonist of ''Vice City''? Why isn't Molly Schultz the secondary antagonist of ''GTA V''? Cases like Ryder and Eddie Pulaski in ''San Andreas'' are different, in the sense that they do actual serve a role that antagonises antagonizes the player. But Miguel is pretty, well, pathetic. What they could have done instead, is have Miguel be a far more aggressive character, both in the game and Claude's backstory, and make him serve as the tertiary antagonist that dies in Bomb Da Base.

Catalina of course is antagonistic to the bone, but I'd pin her as the secondary antagonist rather than the first, largely because she doesn't really do a good enough job at causing the player shit throughout the entire game. That title instead goes to [[spoiler:Maria]]. After all, [[spoiler:she IS the reason Salvatore betrayed you AND the reason you get exiled from Portland. And, probably, why the Leone had search parties on Staunton temporarily looking for you. It's likely Claude only rescued Maria in the last mission because he wanted the honour honor and privilege of killing her himself. Plus, given the fact that she was willing to turn on the Leones, it's entirely probable she'd turn on the Yakuza and Claude too, and there's always the possibility that Catalina AND Maria were the ones who made a deal and [[LesYay faked the whole kidnapping]]]].



After it is replaced, the radio says that "engineers had been working around the clock to fix the bridge", even though no workers are seen even right before it is replaced as you drive a boat under it. So it was built elsewhere and flown in. That's why there are no working helicopters - they were all in use!

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After it is replaced, the radio says that "engineers had been working around the clock to fix the bridge", even though no workers are seen even right before it is replaced as you drive a boat under it. So it was built elsewhere and flown in. That's why there are no working helicopters - they were all in use!use! Then again it doesn't explain why are there static chopper models in Francis International Airport.

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[[WMG: Claude shot Asuka at the end of the game.]]

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[[WMG: Claude [[WMG:Claude shot Asuka at the end of the game.]]



[[WMG: ''Maria'' shot ''the player character'' ("[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas Claude]]") at the end of the game.]]

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[[WMG: ''Maria'' [[WMG:''Maria'' shot ''the player character'' ("[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas Claude]]") at the end of the game.]]



[[WMG: ("[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas Claude]]") shot ''Maria'' at the end of the game.]]

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[[WMG: ("[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas [[WMG:("[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas Claude]]") shot ''Maria'' at the end of the game.]]



[[WMG: Claude shot himself at the end of the game]]

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[[WMG: Claude [[WMG:Claude shot himself at the end of the game]]



[[WMG: Claude shot Maria... but not just because she was talking too much...]]

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[[WMG: Claude [[WMG:Claude shot Maria... but not just because she was talking too much...]]



[[WMG: Claude doesn't speak because he's french and doesn't speak english.]]
Claude isn't mute. When he's injured he grunts and groans in pain. He is capable of producing sound, but he never speaks. At the same time, he sports a distinctly French name and his origins are never explored. It could be that he's a frenchman who just doesn't speak English (but understands it) and thus doesn't talk to other chracters because he doesn't know how to, since they all speak English
* Unlikely. Not being fluent in the dominant language is not a reason for remaining completely silent, and remember, he never says anything to himself, in French or otherwise. It could be that he has some kind of expressive aphasia, though; he might simply not be able to produce speech, because of a brain damage. Another possibility is selective mutism or some other social disorder (he does look pretty awkward in a few social interactions, as when he was on the receiving end of a hug in San Andreas).

[[WMG: The gunshot at the end of the game was a surviving Colombian gang member:]]
Claude spotted a Colombian member who survived the incident and finished him off Maria stopped talking because the gunshot startled her :]]

[[WMG: Love’s disappearance.]]

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[[WMG: Claude
[[WMG:Claude
doesn't speak because he's french French and doesn't speak english.English.]]
Claude isn't mute. When he's injured he grunts and groans in pain. He is capable of producing sound, but he never speaks. At the same time, he sports a distinctly French name and his origins are never explored. It could be that he's a frenchman Frenchman who just doesn't speak English (but understands it) and thus doesn't talk to other chracters because he doesn't know how to, since they all speak English
English.
* Unlikely. Not being fluent in the dominant language is not a reason for remaining completely silent, and remember, he never says anything to himself, in French or otherwise. It could be that he has some kind of expressive aphasia, though; he might simply not be able to produce speech, because of a brain damage. Another possibility is selective mutism or some other social disorder (he does look pretty awkward in a few social interactions, as when he was on the receiving end of a hug in San Andreas).

[[WMG: The
''San Andreas'').

[[WMG:The
gunshot at the end of the game was a surviving Colombian gang member:]]
Claude spotted a Colombian member who survived the incident and finished him off Maria stopped talking because the gunshot startled her :]]

[[WMG: Love’s
her.

[[WMG:Love's
disappearance.]]



[[WMG: The real antagonists of GTA3 are not Salvatore, Miguel and Catalina.]]
First of all, Salvatore Leone is portrayed as the DiscOneFinalBoss of GTA3, but he's hardly a tertiary antagonist. As in, he doesn't antagonise the player during the first part of the game. The player spends the entire first chapter working for his organization and hierarchy, and by all account each high ranking member of the Leone family (Salvatore included) openly comment on how useful and reliable Claude is. The turning point was a combination of Salvatore's paranoia, and uneasy marriage with Maria due to her cheating. In which he acted on irrational emotion towards what he viewed as a betrayal against him IN THE VERY FINAL MISSION of the first island. If it hadn't been for Maria opening her mouth and flat out lying about her and Claude, nothing would have happened. In fact, the mafia aren't even hostile to Claude until he kills Salvatore at the start of the second island, which storyline wise lasts one mission after then you never hear of them again. It would make more sense for the antagonist to be an enemy of the Leone family Claude was working for, like one of the Forelli brothers, or one of the Triad warlords.

Then there's Miguel, who only seems to be deemed an antagonist due to him co-leading the Columbian Cartel. Presumably being in the cartel that's hostile to Claude from the very start, due to Catalina's betrayal of him, he would know about Claude and likely supports Catalina's hostility to him as well as the rest of his gang in some way. But HE DOESN'T ANTAGONISE CLAUDE. If anything, he seems pretty terrified of him when they (presumably) first meet, and it becomes clear that he's just another victim of Catalina's manipulation. If being TheDragon to the actual main antagonist is enough to automatically warrant the status of secondary antagonist, then why isn't the Forelli Capo the secondary antagonist of Vice City? Why isn't Molly Schultz the secondary antagonist of GTAV? Cases like Ryder and Eddie Pulaski in San Andreas are different, in the sense that they do actual serve a role that antagonises the player. But Miguel is pretty, well, pathetic. What they could have done instead, is have Miguel be a far more aggressive character, both in the game and Claude's backstory, and make him serve as the tertiary antagonist that dies in Bomb Da Base.

Catalina of course is antagonistic to the bone, but I'd pin her as the secondary antagonist rather than the first, largely because she doesn't really do a good enough job at causing the player shit throughout the entire game. That title instead goes to [[spoiler: Maria]]. After all, [[spoiler: She IS the reason Salvatore betrayed you AND the reason you get exiled from Portland. And, probably, why the Leone had search parties on Staunton temporarily looking for you. It's likely Claude only rescued Maria in the last mission because he wanted the honour and privilege of killing her himself. Plus, given the fact that she was willing to turn on the mafia, it's entirely probable she'd turn on the Yakuza and Claude too, and there's always the possibility that Catalina AND Maria were the ones who made a deal and [[LesYay faked the whole kidnapping]]]].

[[WMG: Claude is not only [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto2 Claude Speed]]...]]

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The real antagonists of GTA3 are not Salvatore, Miguel and Catalina.]]
First of all, Salvatore Leone is portrayed as the DiscOneFinalBoss of GTA3, ''GTA III'', but he's hardly a tertiary antagonist. As in, he doesn't antagonise the player during the first part of the game. The player spends the entire first chapter working for his organization and hierarchy, and by all account each high ranking member of the Leone family (Salvatore included) openly comment on how useful and reliable Claude is. The turning point was a combination of Salvatore's paranoia, and uneasy marriage with Maria due to her cheating. In which he acted on irrational emotion towards what he viewed as a betrayal against him IN THE VERY FINAL MISSION of the first island. If it hadn't been for Maria opening her mouth and flat out lying about her and Claude, nothing would have happened. In fact, the mafia aren't even hostile to Claude until he kills Salvatore at the start of the second island, which storyline wise lasts one mission after and then you never hear of them again. It would make more sense for the antagonist to be an enemy of the Leone family Claude was working for, like one of the Forelli brothers, or one of the Triad warlords.

Then there's Miguel, who only seems to be deemed an antagonist due to him co-leading the Columbian Cartel. Presumably being in the cartel that's hostile to Claude from the very start, due to Catalina's betrayal of him, he would know about Claude and likely supports Catalina's hostility to him as well as the rest of his gang in some way. But HE DOESN'T ANTAGONISE CLAUDE. If anything, he seems pretty terrified of him when they (presumably) first meet, and it becomes clear that he's just another victim of Catalina's manipulation. If being TheDragon to the actual main antagonist is enough to automatically warrant the status of secondary antagonist, then why isn't the Forelli Capo the secondary antagonist of Vice City? ''Vice City''? Why isn't Molly Schultz the secondary antagonist of GTAV? ''GTA V''? Cases like Ryder and Eddie Pulaski in San Andreas ''San Andreas'' are different, in the sense that they do actual serve a role that antagonises the player. But Miguel is pretty, well, pathetic. What they could have done instead, is have Miguel be a far more aggressive character, both in the game and Claude's backstory, and make him serve as the tertiary antagonist that dies in Bomb Da Base.

Catalina of course is antagonistic to the bone, but I'd pin her as the secondary antagonist rather than the first, largely because she doesn't really do a good enough job at causing the player shit throughout the entire game. That title instead goes to [[spoiler: Maria]]. [[spoiler:Maria]]. After all, [[spoiler: She [[spoiler:she IS the reason Salvatore betrayed you AND the reason you get exiled from Portland. And, probably, why the Leone had search parties on Staunton temporarily looking for you. It's likely Claude only rescued Maria in the last mission because he wanted the honour and privilege of killing her himself. Plus, given the fact that she was willing to turn on the mafia, Leones, it's entirely probable she'd turn on the Yakuza and Claude too, and there's always the possibility that Catalina AND Maria were the ones who made a deal and [[LesYay faked the whole kidnapping]]]].

[[WMG: Claude [[WMG:Claude is not only [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto2 Claude Speed]]...]]



[[WMG: Maria planned to get you killed, but had second thoughts.]]

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[[WMG: Maria [[WMG:Maria planned to get you killed, but had second thoughts.]]



[[WMG: The Callahan bridge replacement was built elsewhere and flown in]]
After it is replaced, the radio says that "engineers had been working around the clock to fix the bridge", even though no workers are seen even right before it is replaced as you drive a boat under it. So it was build elsewhere and flown in. That's why there are no working helicopters - they were all in use!

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[[WMG: The [[WMG:The Callahan bridge replacement was built elsewhere and flown in]]
After it is replaced, the radio says that "engineers had been working around the clock to fix the bridge", even though no workers are seen even right before it is replaced as you drive a boat under it. So it was build built elsewhere and flown in. That's why there are no working helicopters - they were all in use!

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