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[[WMG:The great threat that the golden path was originally intended for was the mechanical navigator]]
In one of the books the Ixians were working on a machine which could navigate without the use of a spice reliant navigator. The navigators are so effective because they use the spice to give them prescience. It is possible that the mechanical navigator that they would have created might have also been prescient.

Leto mentions that the great threat is a machine that uses prescience to hunt down humanity. It might have been possible that before Frank Herbert died that this mechanical navigator was intended to be the great threat that the Golden Path was intended to guard humanity from.

The Ixians did go into the great scattering so perhaps such a machine has appeared beyond the old empire. It could be what the Honored Matres are running from. Matti23


* Or maybe a war against some kind of ''SleepDealer'' type of scenario.

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* Or maybe a war against some kind of ''SleepDealer'' ''Sleep Dealer'' type of scenario.



[[WMG: A meta-guess: had AlejandroJodorowsky been successful in making his version of Dune, it would be popular to bash it on the Internet.]]

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[[WMG: A meta-guess: had AlejandroJodorowsky Creator/AlejandroJodorowsky been successful in making his version of Dune, it would be popular to bash it on the Internet.]]


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* We know from Film/TerminatorSalvation that there are humans who donât believe the Resistance can defeat Skynet. A group of these people conspire to go back in time in order to escape the machines. They succeed, but mess up the space-time coordinates and end up on the planet that eventually becomes Coruscant.

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* We know from Film/TerminatorSalvation that there are humans who donât don't believe the Resistance can defeat Skynet. A group of these people conspire to go back in time in order to escape the machines. They succeed, but mess up the space-time coordinates and end up on the planet that eventually becomes Coruscant.



* During the Butlerian Jihad, some humans flee the galaxy and end up on a planet called Kobol. Itâs Thirteen Lords are the last Spacing Guild Navigators.

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* During the Butlerian Jihad, some humans flee the galaxy and end up on a planet called Kobol. Itâs It's Thirteen Lords are the last Spacing Guild Navigators.


[[WMG: Dune is part of the Warhammer40000 universe.]]

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[[WMG: Dune is part of the Warhammer40000 TabletopGame/Warhammer40000 universe.]]


Reason #2: haters are still bashing DavidLynch's version for being unfaithful to the book. Jodorowsky's version would have been even more unfaithful, so, the same people would bash it even more, for the same reasons.

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Reason #2: haters are still bashing DavidLynch's Creator/DavidLynch's version for being unfaithful to the book. Jodorowsky's version would have been even more unfaithful, so, the same people would bash it even more, for the same reasons.



Reason #4: the ending itself would have been an [[UpToEleven extreme]] version of the much reviled ending by DavidLynch. In that ending, Paul causes rain to fall on Arrakis. In Jodorowsky's ending, [[spoiler: Paul's spirit would have possessed everyone on Arrakis, then rain would have fallen, grass would have grown everywhere on Arrakis, the spice would have abandoned the planet forming rings around it, then Arrakis would have started roaming the galaxy, disappearing at the end.]]

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Reason #4: the ending itself would have been an [[UpToEleven extreme]] version of the much reviled ending by DavidLynch.Creator/DavidLynch. In that ending, Paul causes rain to fall on Arrakis. In Jodorowsky's ending, [[spoiler: Paul's spirit would have possessed everyone on Arrakis, then rain would have fallen, grass would have grown everywhere on Arrakis, the spice would have abandoned the planet forming rings around it, then Arrakis would have started roaming the galaxy, disappearing at the end.]]


...take your pick of [[RobotWar humans-versus-robots stories]]. ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''{{Terminator}}'', and the modern ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' seem like good candidates.

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...take your pick of [[RobotWar humans-versus-robots stories]]. ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''{{Terminator}}'', ''Franchise/TheMatrix'', ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'', and the modern ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' seem like good candidates.



* Alternatively, the ''Dune'' universe was preceded by ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|1978}}'', ''Franchise/StargateVerse'', ''TheTerminator'', and ''Film/TheMatrix'', in that order. Then it's followed up by ''StarWars'', and then finally ''Series/{{Andromeda}}''. That makes about as much sense as anything else, and is a fairly epic idea for a FanVerse.

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* Alternatively, the ''Dune'' universe was preceded by ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|1978}}'', ''Franchise/StargateVerse'', ''TheTerminator'', ''The Franchise/{{Terminator}}'', and ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''Franchise/TheMatrix'', in that order. Then it's followed up by ''StarWars'', ''Franchise/StarWars'', and then finally ''Series/{{Andromeda}}''. That makes about as much sense as anything else, and is a fairly epic idea for a FanVerse.



[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|1978}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]

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[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|1978}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, Dune, Franchise/StarWars, The Franchise/{{Terminator}}, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]



TheTerminator:

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StarWars:
* We know from Terminator Salvation that there are humans who donât believe the Resistance can defeat Skynet. A group of these people conspire to go back in time in order to escape the machines. They succeed, but mess up the space-time coordinates and end up on the planet that eventually becomes Coruscant.

Franchise/{{Dune}}:

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StarWars:
Franchise/StarWars:
* We know from Terminator Salvation Film/TerminatorSalvation that there are humans who donât believe the Resistance can defeat Skynet. A group of these people conspire to go back in time in order to escape the machines. They succeed, but mess up the space-time coordinates and end up on the planet that eventually becomes Coruscant.

Franchise/{{Dune}}:Dune:


Reason #5: in the mid-1970s, special and visual effects technology was absolutely inadequate to realize what Jodorowsky had in mind (which is probably why he wasn't allowed to make it). So, even if his ''ideas'' were grandiose and spectacular, their ''implementation'' would have only been a rough approximation. Probably, there would have been extensive usage of matte paintings, low budget costumes that look out of a school play, and models that don't look like anything but the sloppily manufactured miniatures they are. Maybe, the trippiest sequences would have also had elements of traditional animation, with an end result that would have looked more like TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial than Dune.


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Reason #5: in the mid-1970s, special and visual effects technology was absolutely inadequate to realize what Jodorowsky had in mind (which is probably why he wasn't allowed to make it). So, even if his ''ideas'' were grandiose and spectacular, their ''implementation'' would have only been a rough approximation. Probably, there would have been extensive usage of matte paintings, low budget costumes that look out of a school play, and models that don't look like anything but the sloppily manufactured miniatures they are. Maybe, the trippiest sequences would have also had elements of traditional animation, with an end result that would have looked more like TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial ''Film/TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial'' than Dune.

''Dune''.




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Reason #5: in the mid-1970s, special and visual effects technology was absolutely inadequate to realize what Jodorowsky had in mind (which is probably why he wasn't allowed to make it). So, even if his ''ideas'' were grandiose and spectacular, their ''implementation'' would have only been a rough approximation. Probably, there would have been extensive usage of matte paintings, low budget costumes that look out of a school play, and models that don't look like anything but the sloppily manufactured miniatures they are. Maybe, the trippiest sequences would have also had elements of traditional animation, with an end result that would have looked more like TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial than Dune.



* ThisTroper feels he should point out that Jessica was already pregnant when they escaped into the desert.

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* ThisTroper feels he should point out that {{Jossed}} by WordOfGod: Jessica was already pregnant when they escaped into the desert.desert.

[[WMG: A meta-guess: had AlejandroJodorowsky been successful in making his version of Dune, it would be popular to bash it on the Internet.]]
Reason #1: praising something for which there was much hype, but which never came to fruition, is a very well documented phenomenon. It is safe to assume that much of the praise Jodorowsky's Dune received, is receiving and will receive is only due to its mythical status and its condition of being unreleased.

Reason #2: haters are still bashing DavidLynch's version for being unfaithful to the book. Jodorowsky's version would have been even more unfaithful, so, the same people would bash it even more, for the same reasons.

Reason #3: Jodorowsky himself stated that, in order to realize his vision, it would have been necessarry to "rape" the original material. The word "rape" is one of the haters' favorite when they see something different than what they saw or imagined in the past (think of the expression "it raped my childhood").

Reason #4: the ending itself would have been an [[UpToEleven extreme]] version of the much reviled ending by DavidLynch. In that ending, Paul causes rain to fall on Arrakis. In Jodorowsky's ending, [[spoiler: Paul's spirit would have possessed everyone on Arrakis, then rain would have fallen, grass would have grown everywhere on Arrakis, the spice would have abandoned the planet forming rings around it, then Arrakis would have started roaming the galaxy, disappearing at the end.]]


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*ThisTroper feels he should point out that Jessica was already pregnant when they escaped into the desert.


...take your pick of [[RobotWar humans-versus-robots stories]]. ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''{{Terminator}}'', and the modern ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'' seem like good candidates.

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...take your pick of [[RobotWar humans-versus-robots stories]]. ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''{{Terminator}}'', and the modern ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'' Galactica|2003}}'' seem like good candidates.



* Alternatively, the ''Dune'' universe was preceded by ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Classic}}'', ''Franchise/StargateVerse'', ''TheTerminator'', and ''Film/TheMatrix'', in that order. Then it's followed up by ''StarWars'', and then finally ''Series/{{Andromeda}}''. That makes about as much sense as anything else, and is a fairly epic idea for a FanVerse.

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* Alternatively, the ''Dune'' universe was preceded by ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Classic}}'', Galactica|1978}}'', ''Franchise/StargateVerse'', ''TheTerminator'', and ''Film/TheMatrix'', in that order. Then it's followed up by ''StarWars'', and then finally ''Series/{{Andromeda}}''. That makes about as much sense as anything else, and is a fairly epic idea for a FanVerse.



[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Classic}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]

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[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Classic}}, Galactica|1978}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]



Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}:

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Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}:Galactica|2003}}:

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[[WMG: Alia was Paul's daughter.]]
Paul and Jessica had an incestuous relationship while they were fleeing into the desert after the Harkonnen invasion, and Alia was the result.


[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Classic}}, {{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]

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[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Classic}}, {{Dune}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]



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** Or maybe Leto II was [[spoiler:helping him become that. It's been a long time since I've read God-Emperor of Dune, but there's no way Duncan Idaho could have gotten where he was without Leto II constantly re-hiring him and supporting the Bene Tleilaxu's efforts.]]

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** Or maybe Leto II was [[spoiler:helping him become that. It's been a long time since I've read God-Emperor of Dune, GodEmperorOfDune, but there's no way Duncan Idaho could have gotten where he was without Leto II constantly re-hiring him and supporting the Bene Tleilaxu's efforts.]]


[[WMG:Arrakis and the Sandworms were created by Omnius]].

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[[WMG:Arrakis and the Sandworms were created by Omnius]].Omnius]]




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* When its unprepared probe was eaten by one?




It is also conceivable that the Dune continuity occurred prior to the revelation of the Emperor and the Great Crusade. The Butlerian Jihad would have been the suppression of the "Iron Men", the AI that had risen against their human masters. The events of Dune would have taken place in the Age of Strife, which would be longer than currently stated in the 40k timeline, but this can be explained as patchy and inaccurate records. Towards the end of the Dune timeline, the events that led to the rise of the Imperium would begin occurring, such as increased warp storms due to the birth of Slaanesh, and increased amounts of Psykers and mutants.

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\nIt ***It is also conceivable that the Dune continuity occurred prior to the revelation of the Emperor and the Great Crusade. The Butlerian Jihad would have been the suppression of the "Iron Men", the AI that had risen against their human masters. The events of Dune would have taken place in the Age of Strife, which would be longer than currently stated in the 40k timeline, but this can be explained as patchy and inaccurate records. Towards the end of the Dune timeline, the events that led to the rise of the Imperium would begin occurring, such as increased warp storms due to the birth of Slaanesh, and increased amounts of Psykers and mutants.

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