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* One of the DLC packs will send us to the Deep - Some of the item descriptions reveal it is an [[EldritchLocation actual location corrupted by the Abyss.]] It features heavily in the main plot and seems to have its own identity apart from Dark-aligned magic. We would have to descend into the Deep and find out what Aldrich [[GoMadFromTheRevelation really saw]] that sent him off [[JustForPun the deep end,]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu and repeatedly stab it in the face.]]
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* One of the DLC packs will send us to the Deep - Some of the item descriptions reveal it is an [[EldritchLocation actual location corrupted by the Abyss.]] It features heavily in the main plot and seems to have its own identity apart from Dark-aligned magic. We would have to descend into the Deep and find out what Aldrich [[GoMadFromTheRevelation really saw]] that sent him off [[JustForPun [[{{Pun}} the deep end,]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu and repeatedly stab it in the face.]]
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The Undead Legion's set and Hawkwood confirm that the Legion were [[KnightTemplar zealots who would destroy a kingdom at the first sign of the Abyss.]] So when they heard about Carthus they attacked without mercy. The mighty Carthus Swordsman were no match for the fury of the Legion, and [[KillEmAll everyone was slaughtered.]] Look around the Catacombs: there are urns packed with bones in every room, skeletons eveywhere, including enough to make two boulders entirely from bodies.
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The Undead Legion's set and Hawkwood confirm that the Legion were [[KnightTemplar zealots who would destroy a kingdom at the first sign of the Abyss.]] So when they heard about Carthus they attacked without mercy. The mighty Carthus Swordsman were no match for the fury of the Legion, and [[KillEmAll everyone was slaughtered.]] slaughtered. Look around the Catacombs: there are urns packed with bones in every room, skeletons eveywhere, including enough to make two boulders entirely from bodies.
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* Sort of. Turns out, the PC is an Unkindled, which is essentially a ''failed'' Lord of Cinder.
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[[WMG: Aldrich's visions of the Age of the Deep Sea were actually no more than a glimpse of the Ringed City and the events that transpired there.]]
The Ringed City's swamp and the caverns below ARE the Deep, the collected Dark at the “bottom” of the world. In short, pretty much everything about the “abyssal swamp” in the Ringed City doesn't line up with the Abyss as depicted in the rest of the series and actually better fits what we're told of the Deep (it's wet, full of insects, at the bedrock of the world, “gentle”, etc). Which would rather suggest that the Abyss and the Deep aren't that distinct at all. Aldrich's “Deep Sea” is simply this stagnant swamp, glimpsed in dream as he became kin to it.
The “Age” element of the equation could well be the Painted World that arises from the ending of the DLC, being painted with the weighty blood of the Dark Soul, which would surely share some properties with the Deep. For those who subscribe to such a theory, the painting being Bloodborne then makes perfect sense, as it was painted with what Aldrich saw as the Deep and shares many of its same themes.
This also, of course, rather neatly solves the otherwise complete loose thread that is the Deep storyline.
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* I agree because the alternative that Yorshka is another child of Gwyn does not make any sense on multiple levels. And Gwyndolin/Priscilla being in a relationship would explain why the former's last thoughts were apparently of the latter.
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[[WMG: Yhorm the Giant is Wolnir's descendant]]
High Lord Wolnir lives up to his name, being truly gigantic. But what if this size isn't a result of Abyssal corruption, but because he is, in fact, a giant like Yhorm? Wolnir is an ancient conqueror, evidenced by the skeletons that fill the catacombs where he reside being Undead so old they've completely decayed, and his crown's description speaking of how he took over the lands of the other lords of Carthus. And Yhorm's soul tells us that he was the descendant of an ancient conqueror.
Coupling this with the fact that Carthus was affected by the convergence of the lands, when it's stated that only lands affiliated with the Lords of Cinder (the transitory lands ''of'' the Lords of Cinder) are affected, its safe to assume that Wolnir is Yhorm's ancestor.
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Finally, this is more speculative, but Priscilla's nature could explain why she's not around. For one, she's an exile, so she's not allowed to leave the Painted World. For another, she might have agreed to stay away from Yorshka not just to uphold Gwyndolin's lie, but to keep her safe--Priscilla was locked away because she was so feared, she might have feared the same thing happening to her daughter, or possibly worse.
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Finally, this is more speculative, but Priscilla's nature could explain why she's not around. For one, she's an exile, so she's not allowed to leave the Painted World. For another, she might have agreed to stay away from Yorshka not just to uphold Gwyndolin's lie, but to keep her safe--Priscilla was locked away because she was so feared, she her abilities made her TheDreaded. She might have feared the same thing thing, or possibly worse, happening to Yorshka if she was known to be her daughter, or possibly worse.daughter.
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So why would Gwyndolin's last thoughts, as he's being ''eaten alive'', be about Priscilla, instead of his [[WellDoneSonGuy father]] or Gwynevere or one of his knights? In his final moments, he wasn't thinking about someone he loved, but her. However, if they were lovers, it suddenly makes sense why he would.
And that results in Yorshka, who talks about Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere. However, remember what Gwyndolin says when you join the Darkmoon Covenant in the first ''Dark Souls''? He tells you you shall become "a shadow of Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere", which is different from how he usually refers to them ("the Great Lord" and "the Godmother"). It almost sounds like religious titles, rather than literal titles. In fact, that's word-for-word how Yorshka talks about them--it's a ceremony!
And that results in Yorshka, who talks about Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere. However, remember what Gwyndolin says when you join the Darkmoon Covenant in the first ''Dark Souls''? He tells you you shall become "a shadow of Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere", which is different from how he usually refers to them ("the Great Lord" and "the Godmother"). It almost sounds like religious titles, rather than literal titles. In fact, that's word-for-word how Yorshka talks about them--it's a ceremony!
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So why would Gwyndolin's last thoughts, as he's being ''eaten alive'', be about Priscilla, instead of his [[WellDoneSonGuy father]] or Gwynevere or one of his knights? In his final moments, he wasn't thinking about someone he loved, but her. However, if they were lovers, it suddenly makes sense why he would.
would. And that results in Yorshka, who talks Yorshka.
Now, Yorshka does talk aboutFather "Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere.Gwynevere". However, remember what Gwyndolin says when you join the Darkmoon Covenant in the first ''Dark Souls''? He tells you you shall become "a shadow of Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere", which is different from how he usually refers to them ("the Great Lord" and "the Godmother"). It almost sounds like religious titles, rather than literal titles. In fact, that's that line is word-for-word how what Yorshka talks says about them--it's a ceremony!
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Finally, this is more speculative, but Priscilla's nature could explain why she's not around. For one, she's an exile, so she's not allowed to leave the Painted World. For another, she might have agreed to stay away from Yorshka not just to uphold Gwyndolin's lie, but to keep her safe--Priscilla was locked away because she was so feared, she might have feared the same thing happening to her daughter, or possibly worse.
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It's almost certain Priscilla and Yorshka have some kind of connection, given they're both dragon crossbreed girls found in (or at least Priscilla's painting is) Anor Londo. However, it doesn't make a lot of sense that Yorshka would be a disguised Priscilla, as they have several physical differences (Yorshka's hair is brown to Priscilla's white, she lacks Priscilla's fur, the scales on their faces are different, etc). Additionally, if you kill Yorshka, she just drops a chime, not Priscilla's iconic Lifehunt Scythe. That? That is forged from Aldrich's soul, which I'll get back to in a minute.
The most obvious guess, if they're not the same person, would be that they're related--specifically, Priscilla being her mother. So why Gwyndolin as her father? For one, he's one of the only other living beings in Anor Londo, and he's already shown himself to befriend other "abominations" (like the Darkmoon Knightess). It's not unlikely he'd reach out to her too, especially if they got lonely over the centuries of isolation. In fact, it's heavily implied he did; why can you forge the Lifehunt Scythe miracle from Aldrich's soul? Because as he devoured Gwyndolin, he dreamed of Gwyndolin's last thoughts, which were of a pale girl in hiding--Priscilla, the only person associated with the Lifehunt Scythe.
So why would Gwyndolin's last thoughts, as he's being ''eaten alive'', be about Priscilla, instead of his [[WellDoneSonGuy father]] or Gwynevere or one of his knights? In his final moments, he wasn't thinking about someone he loved, but her. However, if they were lovers, it suddenly makes sense why he would.
And that results in Yorshka, who talks about Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere. However, remember what Gwyndolin says when you join the Darkmoon Covenant in the first ''Dark Souls''? He tells you you shall become "a shadow of Father Gwyn and Sister Gwynevere", which is different from how he usually refers to them ("the Great Lord" and "the Godmother"). It almost sounds like religious titles, rather than literal titles. In fact, that's word-for-word how Yorshka talks about them--it's a ceremony!
Secondly, while she refers to him as her brother, Gwyndolin is a canonical IDidWhatIHadToDo liar with self-image issues. He might very well have decided he was too "frail and repulsive" to serve as a father figure and lied to Yorshka about the true nature of their relation. He was also the one who named her, which is a very fatherly thing to do and may have been the one concession he allowed himself.
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We don't spend THAT much time in the seaside kingdom of lothric, but the prince's coastal castle holds some seriously powerful EliteMooks, while the cathedral knights and abyssal lothric knights definitely should be more powerful, the pus of man suddenly having far more health and hitting far harder makes no sense. . . Until you realize that they are already bursting free when you meet them in upper Lothric, and either due to becoming stronger with time or getting the better hang of using their bodies, they've BECOME a force to be reckoned with.
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We don't spend THAT much time in the seaside kingdom of lothric, but the prince's coastal castle holds some seriously powerful EliteMooks, while the cathedral knights and abyssal lothric knights definitely should be more powerful, the pus of man suddenly having far more health and hitting far harder makes no sense. . . Until you realize that they are already bursting free when you meet them in upper Lothric, and either due to becoming stronger with time or getting the better hang of using their bodies, they've BECOME a force to be reckoned with.with.
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