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The setup is just too elegant: the first person he sees when waking is his next LoveInterest. Plus her actress, [[Series/TheMentalist Amanda Righetti]], seems a little too big of star for such a small role- and she's already listed as filming ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', and listed as [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/ Sharon Carter.]] Admittedly, the IMDB can be edited by the public, but not quite as easily as a Wiki.

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The setup is just too elegant: the first person he sees when waking is his next LoveInterest. Plus her actress, [[Series/TheMentalist Amanda Righetti]], Creator/AmandaRighetti, seems a little too big of star for such a small role- and she's already listed as filming ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', and listed as [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/ Sharon Carter.]] Admittedly, the IMDB can be edited by the public, but not quite as easily as a Wiki.


If we assume that the x-men movies and the Avenger movies take place in the same universe than it is possible that the cosmic cube caused the surge in mutations seen between X-men: First Class and the other movies. In First Class, Shaw claimed that mutants were the children of the atomic bomb. Now, of course there were mutants before that but most likely not as many (if there were, than the government would have known about them before Charles revealed himself). In Iron Man it is mentioned several times that Howard Stark worked on the atomic bomb. At the end of Captain America, Howard recovers the cube from under the sea. Red Skull thought the power of the cosmic cube was meant to be seized by superior men. Put it together and what do you get? Howard Stark used Cosmic Cube technology to create the atom bomb and the atom bomb acted as a sort of catalyst to bring out the powers of the ‘superior men.’ And in the X-men universe what is the scientific name for mutants? Homo Superior.

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If we assume that the x-men X-Men movies and the Avenger movies take place in the same universe than it is possible that the cosmic cube caused the surge in mutations seen between X-men: ''X-Men: First Class Class'' and the other movies. In First Class, ''First Class'', Shaw claimed that mutants were the children of the atomic bomb. Now, of course there were mutants before that but most likely not as many (if there were, than the government would have known about them before Charles revealed himself). In Iron Man ''Iron Man'' it is mentioned several times that Howard Stark worked on the atomic bomb. At the end of Captain America, ''Captain America'', Howard recovers the cube from under the sea. Red Skull thought the power of the cosmic cube was meant to be seized by superior men. Put it together and what do you get? Howard Stark used Cosmic Cube technology to create the atom bomb and the atom bomb acted as a sort of catalyst to bring out the powers of the ‘superior men.’ And in the X-men universe what is the scientific name for mutants? Homo Superior.






By playing an archive recording of a baseball game (and one in May 1941 at that, sheesh!) they managed to unnecessarily hurt some of their guards (Captain surely showed no mercy at them even though he did not aim to kill) and more importantly, freak the poor hero out: an American agency would never cheat him with a DATED radio program, so maybe the GERMANS dug him out and were attempting to brainwash him later?!
The Captain would still have found out that the room was dodgy since it was part of the final plot -- by realizing the "view" outside was a cardnoard cutout, for instance, which is another bit of proof that his senses were a lot better than normal people, while he radio thing was just stupid: if they wanted to "Take it slowly", they could've placed a radio that proclaimed the surrender of Japan, telling him that he ENTIRE world war is over so as to relax, then let Agent Coulson or sb tell him that his coma was. in fact, more than a couple of months.

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By playing an archive recording of a baseball game (and one in May 1941 at that, sheesh!) they managed to unnecessarily hurt some of their guards (Captain surely showed no mercy at them even though he did not aim to kill) and more importantly, freak the poor hero out: an American agency would never cheat him with a DATED radio program, so maybe the GERMANS dug him out and were attempting to brainwash him later?!
later?!\\
The Captain would still have found out that the room was dodgy since it was part of the final plot -- by realizing the "view" outside was a cardnoard cardboard cutout, for instance, which is another bit of proof that his senses were a lot better than normal people, while he the radio thing was just stupid: if they wanted to "Take it slowly", they could've placed a radio that proclaimed the surrender of Japan, telling him that he ENTIRE world war is over so as to relax, then let Agent Coulson or sb tell him that his coma was. was, in fact, more than a couple of months. months.












* Jossed. She shows up in ''Winter Soldier'' played by Emily VanCamp.

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* Jossed. She shows up in ''Winter Soldier'' played by Emily VanCamp.
[=VanCamp=].



** And ultimately backed up by her appearance in Winter Soldier.

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** And ultimately backed up by her appearance in Winter Soldier.
''Winter Soldier''.




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** He technically wasn't a hero before, not like the Avengers. He was more of a BloodKnight.






[[WMG: HYDRA will be the/a villian in The Avengers]]

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[[WMG: HYDRA will be the/a villian villain in The Avengers]]''The Avengers'']]



** [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier. Yes. He did. With a new, shiny arm.]]

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** [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier. [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Yes. He did. With a new, shiny arm.]]



[[WMG: Jim Morita was a member of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States) 442nd Infantry Regiment]] before he was captured by HYDRA.]]

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[[WMG: Jim Morita was a member of the [[http://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States) 442nd Infantry Regiment]] before he was captured by HYDRA.]]



After he felt off the train, Bucky was rescued by a Soviet unit and turned over the years into the WinterSoldier. As revenge, some RenegadeRussians sent him after Stark, one of the top men at SHIELD, which had played a hand in the end of the Soviet union, to kill him back make his death look like an accident.

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After he felt off the train, Bucky was rescued by a Soviet unit and turned over the years into the WinterSoldier. ComicBook/WinterSoldier. As revenge, some RenegadeRussians {{Renegade Russian}}s sent him after Stark, one of the top men at SHIELD, which had played a hand in the end of the Soviet union, to kill him back make his death look like an accident.



*** Semi-Confirmed as of Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar. It was HYDRA who sent him to kill Howard and Maria Stark. He assassinated them and set it up as a car crash, as we see in the files shown to Steve by Zola in Winter Soldier

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*** Semi-Confirmed as of Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar.''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. It was HYDRA who sent him to kill Howard and Maria Stark. He assassinated them and set it up as a car crash, as we see in the files shown to Steve by Zola in Winter Soldier



[[WMG: The movie takes place in an alternate universe of Film/AMatterOfLifeAndDeath.]]

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[[WMG: The movie takes place in an alternate universe of Film/AMatterOfLifeAndDeath.''Film/AMatterOfLifeAndDeath''.]]



[[WMG: The english city names written on the flying bombs were just for propaganda purposes, filmed or photographed before flight.]]

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[[WMG: The english English city names written on the flying bombs were just for propaganda purposes, filmed or photographed before flight.]]



[[WMG: The Villain for Captain America: The Winter Soldier will be Aleksander Lukin]]

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[[WMG: The Villain for Captain ''Captain America: The Winter Soldier Soldier'' will be Aleksander Lukin]]



Her service during the war led to a career with the British Secret Service, and was eventually promoted to the head office. After all, Peggy is a diminutive of Margaret, and Daniel Craig's Film/JamesBond mentions in Film/CasinoRoyale2006 that her name starts with an M. No other reason for this than RuleOfCool, though. (Inspired by [[http://archiveofourown.org/works/492785 this fanficiton]]))

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Her service during the war led to a career with the British Secret Service, and was eventually promoted to the head office. After all, Peggy is a diminutive of Margaret, and Daniel Craig's Film/JamesBond mentions in Film/CasinoRoyale2006 ''Film/{{Casino Royale|2006}}'' that her name starts with an M. No other reason for this than RuleOfCool, though. (Inspired by [[http://archiveofourown.[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/492785 this fanficiton]]))



Dr. Erskine tells Rogers that the performance enhancing serum wasn't ready when Schmidt took it. Maybe, in that formula, it increased muscle size and dexterity, but didn't prepare the rest of the body for such a change. Schmidt's facial muscles grew, [[{{Squick}} burst through his skin,]] and eventually his body was able to adapt and heal in such a way to give his exposed muscle a sort of skin-like outer layer. And then he was forced to somehow mold a latex skin mask to hide the injuries.

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Dr. Erskine tells Rogers that the performance enhancing serum wasn't ready when Schmidt took it. Maybe, in that formula, it increased muscle size and dexterity, but didn't prepare the rest of the body for such a change. Schmidt's facial muscles grew, [[{{Squick}} burst through his skin,]] skin]], and eventually his body was able to adapt and heal in such a way to give his exposed muscle a sort of skin-like outer layer. And then he was forced to somehow mold a latex skin mask to hide the injuries.


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* Sure it seems like just a coincidence that the same actress was in ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', but all it would take is a throwaway line in a future movie, or any WordOfGod, to establish this simple retcon.

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* Sure it seems like just a coincidence that the same actress was in ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', but all it would take is a throwaway line in a future movie, or any WordOfGod, to establish this simple retcon.


* Except that Captain America has no villain more iconic than the Red Skull, or at least no-one that hasn't been compiled into other characters for TheMovie. Look at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Captain_America_enemies this list]] and try to find a villain/villain group that's both unrelated to HYDRA ''and'' not too out-of-date or silly. Though [[spoiler: a Winter Soldier-esque Bucky]] ''could'' be [[IncrediblyLamePun pretty cool]]...

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* Except that Captain America has no villain more iconic than the Red Skull, or at least no-one that hasn't been compiled into other characters for TheMovie. Look at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Captain_America_enemies this list]] and try to find a villain/villain group that's both unrelated to HYDRA ''and'' not too out-of-date or silly. Though [[spoiler: a Winter Soldier-esque Bucky]] ''could'' be [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} pretty cool]]...


This makes ''all kinds'' of sense; Rogers remembers growing up in an America that called Hitler an ally, called the unspeakable thing that was done to him and thousands of others "reducing the burden of the human race." Of course when the US decided it wanted to fight against those ideas he wanted in. And having been judged completely worthless by those in power, he would be a man who refuses to acknowledge race, nation, religion... he's the guy who refuses to play "my eyes are up here" with a woman, he's the guy who threw his arms over Jones' and Morita's shoulders so they couldn't be cropped out of photographs... he's the guy who would die before he let the bullies win. He's the guy who knows that ''no-one'' is worthless, knows that every single person ''matters.''

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This makes ''all kinds'' of sense; Rogers remembers growing up in an America that called Hitler an ally, called the unspeakable thing that was done to him and thousands of others "reducing the burden of the human race." Of course when the US decided it wanted to fight against those ideas he wanted in. And having been judged completely worthless by those in power, he would be a man who refuses to acknowledge race, nation, religion... he's the guy who refuses to play "my eyes are up here" with a woman, he's the guy who threw his arms over Jones' and Morita's shoulders so they couldn't be cropped out of photographs... he's the guy who would die before he let the bullies win. He's the guy who knows that ''no-one'' is worthless, knows that every single person ''matters.''''

[[WMG:Everyone "killed" by the Tesseract powered weaponry HYDRA used were actually randomly teleported all over the universe.]]
* I mean, the Red Skull ends up being teleported after being exposed to the raw Tesseract(and the Space Gem) instead of outright killed like originally thougt. What if the beam weapons, instead of vaporizing their targets like it seemed actually randomly sent their victims to random places in the Marvel universe? And think of the possibilities in story telling.


* However, other aspects of HYDRA technology could've been developed further. HYDRA EliteMooks seem to use powered exoskeletons. ''Film/IronMan'' establishes that a miniaturized portable power source is perhaps the most important component to a successful suit of PoweredArmor, so Tony Stark could've had a more direct inspiration from their designs once he invented the arc reactor. Building a suit in a cave, with a box of scraps, requires that he is at least partially familiar with previous attempts to implement the technology.

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* However, other aspects of HYDRA technology could've been developed further. HYDRA EliteMooks seem to use powered exoskeletons. ''Film/IronMan'' ''Film/IronMan1'' establishes that a miniaturized portable power source is perhaps the most important component to a successful suit of PoweredArmor, so Tony Stark could've had a more direct inspiration from their designs once he invented the arc reactor. Building a suit in a cave, with a box of scraps, requires that he is at least partially familiar with previous attempts to implement the technology.



** Uh, yeah? It was established in ''[[Film/IronMan Iron Man 2]]'' that Maria Stark is Tony's mommy. Howard calls to her to grab little Tony when he was trying to film for the Stark Expo.

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** Uh, yeah? It was established in ''[[Film/IronMan Iron Man 2]]'' ''Film/IronMan2'' that Maria Stark is Tony's mommy. Howard calls to her to grab little Tony when he was trying to film for the Stark Expo.


* Jossed. ''First Class'' is a different continuity.



** Or it is Nick Fury (as leader of the HC ) and not gabe Jones (or did they use his name in the film?

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** Or it is Nick Fury (as leader of the HC ) and not gabe Gabe Jones (or did they use his name in the film?



* Jossed. A younger Nick Fury appears in ''Captain Marvel''.



* [[Tropers/TitoMosquito This troper]] believes the same thing. She ''does'' resemble Peggy a lot. We'll probably find out in the Avengers movie.

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* [[Tropers/TitoMosquito This troper]] believes the same thing. She ''does'' resemble Peggy a lot. We'll probably find out in the Avengers movie.
* Jossed. She shows up in ''Winter Soldier'' played by Emily VanCamp.



* [[Tropers/TitoMosquito This troper]] wouldn't be surprised if Tony's mother is one of the dancing girls at Howard's presentation.

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* [[Tropers/TitoMosquito This troper]] It wouldn't be surprised surprising if Tony's mother is one of the dancing girls at Howard's presentation.



** It's possible.

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** * It's possible.



* [[spoiler:Half-confirmed, as of AvengersInfinityWar. The tesseract transported him to Vormir, where he has spent the last 70 years as the guardian of the soul stone.]]

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* [[spoiler:Half-confirmed, as of AvengersInfinityWar.Film/AvengersInfinityWar. The tesseract transported him to Vormir, where he has spent the last 70 years as the guardian of the soul stone.]]



* Wasn't Thor born centuries earlIer than Cap?

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* Wasn't Thor born centuries earlIer earlier than Cap?




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* Jossed. Red Skull was transported to Vormir and was still there by ''Infinity War''.




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* Jossed. It's an Infinity Stone.




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** Jossed. He only appears as the Guardian of the Soul Stone.



*** Semi-Confirmed as of Film/CaptainAmerica:CivilWar. It was HYDRA who sent him to kill Howard and Maria Stark. He assassinated them and set it up as a car crash, as we see in the files shown to Steve by Zola in Winter Soldier

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*** Semi-Confirmed as of Film/CaptainAmerica:CivilWar.Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar. It was HYDRA who sent him to kill Howard and Maria Stark. He assassinated them and set it up as a car crash, as we see in the files shown to Steve by Zola in Winter Soldier




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* Jossed. Steve doesn't show Sharon in ''Winter Soldier''.



** Assuming he ended up in Asgard at all.
** He is now working as...HEL'S JANITOR! (Assuming Nordic Hell needs one.)

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** * Assuming he ended up in Asgard at all.
** * He is now working as...HEL'S JANITOR! (Assuming Nordic Hell needs one.)
* Jossed. He needed up on Vormir.



** Can we just run with the idea that every comic book character played by Creator/ChrisEvans is a clone of Steve Rogers? Pretty please?

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** * Can we just run with the idea that every comic book character played by Creator/ChrisEvans is a clone of Steve Rogers? Pretty please?



** But wouldn't that make Coulson around 80?
*** Hey, if that serum turned a sickly young man into a frosted specimen of human perfection, then a copy of it could surely and reasonably shave off a few decades.

[[WMG: Agent13 will be in the next movie, but instead of being Sharon Carter...]]

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** * But wouldn't that make Coulson around 80?
*** ** Hey, if that serum turned a sickly young man into a frosted specimen of human perfection, then a copy of it could surely and reasonably shave off a few decades.

decades.
* Jossed.

[[WMG: Agent13 Agent 13 will be in the next movie, but instead of being Sharon Carter...]]




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* Jossed.




[[WMG: The Villain for Captain America:The Winter Soldier will be Aleksander Lukin]]

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\n* Confirmed. He ended up on Vormir.

[[WMG: The Villain for Captain America:The America: The Winter Soldier will be Aleksander Lukin]]



In the fifties a new Red Skull emerges, this time being a renegade Soviet agent who took the codename for terror purposes. To fight him the US and the Soviets form a joined squad including the Winter Soldier and a new Captain America, William Burnside. Differently from Naslund and Mace, Burnside has received a version of the SuperSerum, derived from the Nazi one and perfected under the Weapon Plus project. Later Burnside went mad and started believing himself the original, and after he caused a diplomatic incident with Wakanda (namely killing the local superhero Black Panther not knowing he was king T'Chaka) to get the vibranium needed to recreate 'his' shield the military reactivated Mace and Bradley to take him down. Mace is killed, but Bradley successfully subdues him to be placed. Burnside is placed in the refrigerator alongside [=McIntyre=], while Bradley is pardoned. There are no more experiments with the super serum after this, the codename Captain America is not used anymore, and the Winter Soldier later takes down the Commie!Skull.\\
Years later (and the third Cap movie), Dell Rusk ([[ShmuckBait come on, guess!]]), a member of the World Security Council, decides they need someone to replace Captain America after Steve retires in protest for their interference and Fury's less than moral actions, and he unfreezes of need power loss on the refrigerator frees Burnside and [=McIntyre=]. The first gets back the Captain America codename and his replacement shield (Steve kept his), and the other is given a pointy shield and the codename Protocide. And, given that the new Cap is mad, Protocide isn't too sane himself and who Dell Rusk actually is, the results are less than happy. Steve and Bradley come out of retirement, and are soon joined by the Black Panther, actually T'Challa, who has come to take down the mad Captain America. [[CoolVersusAwesome The final battle sees Black Panther versus Fifties!Cap, Bradley versus Protocide, and Cap versus you know who]].

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In the fifties a new Red Skull emerges, this time being a renegade Soviet agent who took the codename for terror purposes. To fight him the US and the Soviets form a joined squad including the Winter Soldier and a new Captain America, William Burnside. Differently from Naslund and Mace, Burnside has received a version of the SuperSerum, derived from the Nazi one and perfected under the Weapon Plus project. Later Burnside went mad and started believing himself the original, and after he caused a diplomatic incident with Wakanda (namely killing the local superhero Black Panther not knowing he was king T'Chaka) to get the vibranium needed to recreate 'his' shield the military reactivated Mace and Bradley to take him down. Mace is killed, but Bradley successfully subdues him to be placed. Burnside is placed in the refrigerator alongside [=McIntyre=], while Bradley is pardoned. There are no more experiments with the super serum after this, the codename Captain America is not used anymore, and the Winter Soldier later takes down the Commie!Skull.Commie Skull.\\
Years later (and the third Cap movie), Dell Rusk ([[ShmuckBait come on, guess!]]), a member of the World Security Council, decides they need someone to replace Captain America after Steve retires in protest for their interference and Fury's less than moral actions, and he unfreezes of need power loss on the refrigerator frees Burnside and [=McIntyre=]. The first gets back the Captain America codename and his replacement shield (Steve kept his), and the other is given a pointy shield and the codename Protocide. And, given that the new Cap is mad, Protocide isn't too sane himself and who Dell Rusk actually is, the results are less than happy. Steve and Bradley come out of retirement, and are soon joined by the Black Panther, actually T'Challa, who has come to take down the mad Captain America. [[CoolVersusAwesome The final battle sees Black Panther versus Fifties!Cap, Fifties Cap, Bradley versus Protocide, and Cap versus you know who]].
* Jossed. T'Chaka is killed by Zemo in ''Civil War''.




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* Jossed. She became Director of SHIELD.




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* According to WordOfGod, it was her mother.


** Fox (the firefly slayers - may they all [[Film/AceVentura die of gonorrhea and rot in hell]]) also owns the rights to ComicBook/FantasticFour - and the movie they made of that was kinda lame. And Columbia owns SpiderMan. That eliminates the other three big Marvel titles - so what's left for the MCU after The Avengers?

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** Fox (the firefly slayers - may they all [[Film/AceVentura die of gonorrhea and rot in hell]]) also owns the rights to ComicBook/FantasticFour - and the movie they made of that was kinda lame. And Columbia owns SpiderMan.Franchise/SpiderMan. That eliminates the other three big Marvel titles - so what's left for the MCU after The Avengers?



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* [[spoiler:Finally delivered in the last scene of ''Film/AvengersEndgame''.]]


* See this fic; [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/16551836 Another Man's Shoes by csulliven]]\\

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* See this fic; [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/16551836 Another Man's Shoes by csulliven]]\\[[https://historicallyaccuratesteve.tumblr.com/post/90483251181/chronically-ill-steve-rogers READ THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW.]]\\


* Sure it seems like just a coincidence that the same actress was in ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', but all it would take is a throwaway line in a future movie, or any WordOfGod, to establish this simple retcon.

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* Sure it seems like just a coincidence that the same actress was in ''Film/TheGuardiansOfTheGalaxy'', but all it would take is a throwaway line in a future movie, or any WordOfGod, to establish this simple retcon.retcon.

[[WMG:Steve Rogers was [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization compulsorily sterilized]] due to his physical disabilities.]]
* See this fic; [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/16551836 Another Man's Shoes by csulliven]]\\
This makes ''all kinds'' of sense; Rogers remembers growing up in an America that called Hitler an ally, called the unspeakable thing that was done to him and thousands of others "reducing the burden of the human race." Of course when the US decided it wanted to fight against those ideas he wanted in. And having been judged completely worthless by those in power, he would be a man who refuses to acknowledge race, nation, religion... he's the guy who refuses to play "my eyes are up here" with a woman, he's the guy who threw his arms over Jones' and Morita's shoulders so they couldn't be cropped out of photographs... he's the guy who would die before he let the bullies win. He's the guy who knows that ''no-one'' is worthless, knows that every single person ''matters.''



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***Semi-Confirmed as of Film/CaptainAmerica:CivilWar. It was HYDRA who sent him to kill Howard and Maria Stark. He assassinated them and set it up as a car crash, as we see in the files shown to Steve by Zola in Winter Soldier

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