History WMG / Angel

Angel "won" as the last one standing after Jasmine was destroyed, creating a mystic "hole" for Good or Evil to fill. Angel had first dibs. Wolfram and Hart's deal for him to own LA's division recreated the entire building and business franchise the instant he entered the Limo. Yes, Lila lied. Shocker.

* {{Jossed}} in the season six comic books. [[spoiler: Angel did indeed sign away his role in the Shanshu prophecy. However, Wolfram & Hart never filed the signed prophecy; because they didn't, Angel will eventually get the shanshu. They turned him human at great expense, but it's not the true shanshu. That's yet to come.]]

* I don't buy it. The thing with prophesies is that they always come to pass. If Wesley hadn't kidnapped Connor then Connor would have grown up in Angel's world training from the time he could walk. Sure his skill set would be different but he'd still be an accomplished fighter. Even if he wasn't Sahjan would either stumble into Connor's path accidently (remember he didn't recognize Connor so he didn't know WHAT human he needed to be avoiding) and get himself killed or it would happen entirely accidently. He'd end up getting in a car accident and killing Sahjan. The best thing Sahjan could have done for his health was endear himself to Angel, treat the child like his own son and live a nice healthy life until Connor was forced to put down his beloved Uncle to end his pain. (Or you know he kills his uncle in a car accident).

*** The canoical series helps clear it up and cements [[TheChosenOne Angels part, as Angel]] is responsible for almost destroying the World. For saving the World and changing the World in relation to magic and the supernatural. Spike not so much.

*** They aren't stronger than normal vampires. Angelus and Darla are old, have been about a while and therefore have had time to grow in strength/ability. Spike from day one sets out to make himself more than he was, picks fights whenever he can, and tends to win. So it's no surprise he's very dangerous. Drusilla is a little older than Spike and at full strength, doesn't quite have the same fighting ability he does. She's also not ever shown to be particularly strong.

With the reveal that Joss had possible plans to bring Doyle back in a possible BigBad role until Glenn Quinn's [[AuthorExistenceFailure tragic passing]], it wouldn't be difficult to guess that Lindsey's return in Season 5 was possibly the role (with some changes) that Doyle was intended to serve, the fact that Lindsey actually uses "Doyle" as an alias for a brief time lends some evidence to the idea.

** Regular degree gained at 21 plus a Master's degree (one year) or PhD (~3) would put Fred's minimum age as an 'accomplished grad student' somewhere between 21 and 25. Also, it was quite firmly established that in demon dimensions such as 'Hell' or Quor'toth, time moves faster than it does here, not slower. Fred was probably gone for a lot longer (in Pylean time) than she was in Earth time.

Think about it, Liam was known for being around loose women. He got one pregnant and either never knew or never claimed the child. Centuries later in the bloodline we get another [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga superhero who uses the dark.]]

Assuming God exists in the Buffyverse, He would hardly have allowed anyone else to take the job of leading the forces of good. He uses the Powers That Be as a front so He can avoid religious issues or demands by mortals that He intervene personally. On the other hand, maybe...
* Being Joss an atheist and an absurdist, it seems unlikely. But then again, since he refers to God as "the sky bully", and given [[spoiler: the PTB's and their angels' attitude in Season 6]], maybe you got it right.

[[WMG: The Powers That Be aren't good guys at all.]]
They rarely help when it would count. They won't take action directly; they just afflict mortals with painful visions. In the later seasons, when things are getting worse than ever, they can't be bothered to do even ''that''. They make no attempt to warn Angel that their messenger has been co-opted by Jasmine. In fact, it's starting to sound like...
* The Powers don't take action directly because when one of them did, they 'helped' by attempting to brainwash the entire world while eating small numbers of people. They are afraid that by interfering too much, they will become too much like their opposite numbers, the Old Ones (the Powers and the Old Ones were once the same race in Earth's youth - the Powers left because the malevolent ones became demons).

* Remember that Jasmine IS a Power That Be. There IS an unspoken implication by all the contrived coincidences that have to align in order for Jasmine to be borne into the world, brought together by Doyle's/Cordelia's visions, that the PTB guiding the protagonists throughout the first three seasons is, and has always been, Jasmine.
** This is speculation. Jasmine specifically mentions that her plans and opportunity only became possible when Angel won a second life for Darla in 'The Trials' and was therefore able to ensure she was impregnated in 'Reprise'. There's no evidence to suggest her claims (that she was manipulating their lives all along) are actually true - she wants them to give in to the inevitability of her rule and accept their fate. She wants them to believe that free will is an illusion so that they will allow her to take it anyway.

Unless...

*** How about two fictional universes that aren't connected in any way...being completely unconnected?

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[[WMG: The Scourge's definition of an impure demon was one with literal human blood]]
They're clearly not pure demons in the sense of the old ones. Yet it's also just not an arbitrary classification (since they were immune to the beacon whereas others were not). Even though their ancestors may have bred with humans, maybe their blood retains demonic properties (maybe it's dangerously acidic or moves around on its own). They consider that this makes them pure demons. They believed that this true demon blood made them superior. Other species such as Lister demons had high enough humanity that their blood had the same properties as human blood, albeit with some different DNA. The Scourge considered that this made them impure and this is what they targeted with the beacon.

They're clearly not pure demons in the sense of the old ones. Yet it's also just not an arbitrary classification (since they were immune to the beacon whereas others were not). Even though their ancestors may have bred with humans, maybe their blood retains demonic properties (maybe it's acidic or moves around on its own). They consider that this makes them pure demons. They believed that this true demon blood made them superior. Other species such as Lister demons had high enough humanity that their blood had the same properties as human blood, albeit with some different DNA. The Scourge considered that this made them impure and this is what they targeted with the beacon.

Semkhet normally appeared as a skinless sabretooth tiger so we know has a fondness for cats which would fit with the whole leopard thing. Also given the other members of the Ra-tet seemed capable of human appearance it's likely they had the ability to change appearance which would fit.

[[WMG: Drogan is a [[TheHoldersSeries Holder]] ]]